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Seems that posting those ego-stroking hero pics kinda slowed down the Berger Bashing.

....hmmmmmm

I wasn't there and you were. If you felt the urge to be shooting an Accubond or Partition I see no reason to do anything else.

Just as likely to have a light handy .308 - if I thought about I might have some 200 grain round nose Partitions in my pocket but I'm not noted for thinking about it.

But maybe things have changed? ....are Shoemaker and Sitka Deer (Art)shooting them now at brown bear? And has John Burns switched to Aframes or Barnes?

I really don't think that anyone is bashing Bergers.

Seems they are designed and constructed the way they are for a reason,and to do what they "do" because of the design, construction,and materials from which they are made.

Bullets are tools and nothing more.

Suggesting that they might not be the best choice for dealing with a large,dangerous animal at close range is no more an indictment of them than suggesting that an Aframe or Barnes may not be the best choice for shooting herbivores at 700-1000 yards.This isn't a criticism of either...simply an acknowledgement that each "tool" has its place and application.

And since dangerous animals are only dangerous when they are very close,that's the criteria we are dealt.

At some point,logic and reason have to enter the picture....But if you have an agenda, to prove they are the "best" bullets for ALL hunting,suited to all purposes,and dismiss the notion that all tools are not the same, then reason...and logic...are lost in the din of pushing the agenda.

If they were THAT good for that purposes, we would see them in the rifles of dangerous game professionals for real dirty work....and we don't,far as I know.

But maybe things have changed? ....are Shoemaker and Sitka Deer (Art)shooting them now at brown bear? And has John Burns switched to Aframes or Barnes?


Of course I say all this in fun and for the purpose of making a point but I think folks will get my drift.

Never been charged by a grizzly but I would think that the skull would be a pretty difficult target;aside from the toughness of the bone,the brain is small,the head moving(along with the bear) and a guy would have to be highly skilled or lucky(or both) to hit the brain under the conditions. Of course I guess you take what you can get under the circumstances.

Of course you will have a bit of time to contemplate your bullet choice,or where you otherwise went wrong as he rearranges your anatomy....which according to some accounts takes him about 15-30 seconds.

At least that's the story I got from the wife of a guy who rushed 50 yards through the pucker brush when he heard his partner scream on Baranof Island.(I was on a flight back from Alaska). The pair were deer hunting and the partner was charged.The bear was gone in the time he moved that 50 yards,but had done enough damage that the partner died 5 days later from the injuries.

I guess this stuff is not just theoretical.

JohnBurns, what ranges and impact velocities were those bears shot at?

Seems that posting those ego-stroking hero pics kinda slowed down the Berger Bashing.

....hmmmmmm

Well, this is quite the thread. I think the plain and simple fact is that I'm not comfortable with Bergers while in Grizzly country. I have no such feelings with a 150 TSX, Partition or Accubond and will be loading those for next season. For the time-being I'll pack a can of spray as well when I'm in Grizz country.

Ya'll do what you want but I ain't gonna be eaten on...then say to my self...man I wish I brought a bigger gun!

You really need to double check the Original Poster's Post. He is hunting deer and elk and happens to be in Grizz country.

Are you suggesting he hunt deer and elk with a .375 H&H loaded with 260 grain monometals "just in case" he runs into a bear?

Like I said, for Grizz I'd rather be toting a 12ga with an extended magazine loaded with slugs. But if I'm hunting deer and elk I'm not going to be carrying that, am I?



IME, a bullet that expands rapidly like the Berger, Nosler BT, Sierra Game King or any other like them seem to have more "knock down power" or "DRT Value" or "stopping power" even on marginal hits on game.