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I sent a non shooting 325 wsm in a model 70 to jes in oregon to be rebored to a 338-300 wsm. He said reboring would clean the barrel up this was one of the last ones to leave new haven whoever was in charge of the barrel making that day did not give a [bleep]. Why not rebarrel it to a 325 wsm again well i bought another model 70 in a 325 wsm (south carolina) Anyhow i know folks were having 338-300 wsm made thinking winchester would introduce it. Anyhow if anyone has load data for 210-225 bullets be pretty cool. I have RL 17, imr 4007, aa4350, imr 4350, h414, h4831 and imr 4831. Thanks!
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Would be interested to hear your results over time with this. Sounds like a cool project.
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Its looking like i will have to do the load work... Once i do i will post results as of now from what i read getting 2800 fps with a 225 will be hard to do. But most article or posts were written before rl17 and 4007 were on the scene. Most foljs were using rl15, h4831 in the 338 wsm.
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very cool project......rebarreling my 325 to a 338 WSM is an interesting proposition....wonder what it'd cost
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I'd personally split the difference between the .338-06,.338 RCM and the .338 Win. Mag, and also compare to the .325 WSM, that should be right in the ballpark. I looked through all my sources and couldn't find anything.
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I'd start with 325 WSM, 220gr bullet data and carefully work up from there.
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338/.300 WSM is listed in QuickLoad...
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I don't have Quickload, maybe someone could hook the man up?
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Yep no quickload here either...
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alrighty. take this knowing it is a prediction and I assume you know the rules (work up and watch for pressure)
out of your powders, RE 17 should give best speed, and a 225 gr. NAB loaded to 2.85" COAL over 66 gr. RE17 (MAX) will deliver 2870 fps from 24" barrel at max SAAMI pressure(63817 psi). this load is RIGHT AT MAX!
i'd start at 64 gr. for 2790 fps @ 57409 psi
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Thanks! That was the plan to ladder load start at minimum and work up 1/2gr incraments.
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I built one of these ages ago after wearing out a couple of barrels as 338 Jamison. I did it when the first 300WSM came out and merely necked those up. Much easier for cases than the Jamison. All are basically the same with the Jamison having a bit larger powder chamber. Football game starts now so give me some time and I'll post as much info as I have on loads. Don't recall any right off hand. Makes a nice rifle!
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This should get you in the ballpark: Cartridge : .338/300 Win Short Mag [WSM]
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 66.402 grain H2O = 4.311 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63500 psi, or 437 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
55 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Somchem S365 110.0 67.0 4.34 2834 100.0 62948 8574 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 107.5 67.9 4.40 2827 99.4 63500 9217 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 101.5 65.7 4.26 2818 98.9 63500 9185 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 101.5 65.7 4.26 2818 98.9 63500 9185 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 98.9 63.5 4.11 2816 100.0 63500 8698 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 107.1 64.8 4.20 2810 100.0 63500 8852 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 104.0 65.0 4.21 2810 99.9 63500 8978 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 107.1 64.8 4.20 2809 100.0 63500 8849 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 99.9 63.1 4.09 2790 100.0 63500 8519 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 100.0 63.2 4.10 2789 100.0 63500 8507 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 109.5 67.0 4.34 2788 97.2 63500 9093 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 106.0 67.0 4.34 2788 97.2 63500 9093 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 109.5 67.0 4.34 2788 97.2 63500 9093 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 110.0 70.3 4.55 2786 97.7 55239 9902 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 67.0 4.34 2782 97.0 61620 9213 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 110.0 64.4 4.17 2777 99.9 60990 8779 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 96.4 59.0 3.82 2775 100.0 63500 8412 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 107.0 66.5 4.31 2772 98.6 63500 8830 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 97.2 59.5 3.86 2766 100.0 63500 8383 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 97.2 59.5 3.86 2766 100.0 63500 8383 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 97.2 59.5 3.86 2766 100.0 63500 8383 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 97.7 59.8 3.87 2764 100.0 63500 8316 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 67.3 4.36 2764 96.9 59546 9244 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 109.8 70.9 4.59 2761 97.1 63500 8837 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 91.9 61.4 3.98 2760 100.0 63500 8211 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 99.2 61.4 3.98 2758 100.0 63500 8190 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 98.5 61.6 3.99 2758 99.8 63500 8502 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 106.1 64.3 4.16 2758 98.9 63500 8695 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 101.4 61.4 3.98 2752 100.0 63500 8111 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 108.9 65.2 4.22 2751 98.3 63500 8625 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 106.9 65.1 4.22 2751 98.4 63500 8612 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 89.4 58.9 3.82 2750 100.0 63500 7893 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 94.9 61.9 4.01 2749 99.8 63500 8402 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 110.0 66.4 4.30 2749 96.1 63409 8787 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 99.1 59.7 3.87 2747 100.0 63500 8065 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 93.8 57.4 3.72 2747 100.0 63500 8108 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 94.1 57.6 3.73 2746 100.0 63500 8158 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 101.4 60.7 3.93 2746 100.0 63500 8128 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 69.2 4.48 2745 94.4 56753 9504 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 100.2 61.9 4.01 2742 99.0 63500 8397 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 94.8 59.9 3.88 2740 100.0 63500 8107 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 67.3 4.36 2737 96.6 58154 9117 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 64.5 4.18 2736 99.8 58945 8575 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 104.8 62.7 4.07 2736 99.5 63500 8393 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 92.9 61.0 3.95 2728 99.8 63500 8184 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 103.3 62.0 4.02 2728 98.3 63500 8490 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 99.5 59.1 3.83 2728 100.0 63500 8088 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 99.8 59.1 3.83 2728 100.0 63500 8088 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 100.0 62.1 4.02 2728 98.3 63500 8484 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 91.3 58.3 3.78 2727 100.0 63500 7865 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 88.8 58.2 3.77 2726 100.0 63500 7847 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
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You might consider the RL-17 Cartridge : .338/300 Win Short Mag [WSM]
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 66.402 grain H2O = 4.311 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.806% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-08.1 89 57.00 2550 3250 45617 8189 99.0 1.330
-07.3 90 57.50 2571 3303 46787 8242 99.2 1.315
-06.5 90 58.00 2592 3357 47988 8293 99.4 1.300
-05.6 91 58.50 2613 3411 49219 8342 99.5 1.285
-04.8 92 59.00 2633 3465 50487 8388 99.6 1.271
-04.0 93 59.50 2654 3519 51785 8432 99.7 1.256
-03.2 93 60.00 2675 3574 53122 8474 99.8 1.242
-02.4 94 60.50 2695 3629 54488 8513 99.9 1.228
-01.6 95 61.00 2716 3684 55900 8549 99.9 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 96 61.50 2736 3740 57348 8583 100.0 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 62.00 2756 3796 58836 8615 100.0 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 97 62.50 2777 3852 60364 8644 100.0 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 98 63.00 2797 3908 61937 8671 100.0 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 99 63.50 2817 3964 63552 8698 100.0 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+03.2 100 64.00 2837 4021 65214 8725 100.0 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 100 64.50 2857 4077 66923 8752 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by � 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 62.00 2790 3890 62113 8492 100.0 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 62.00 2717 3689 55656 8712 99.7 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
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H414/w760 looks good: Cartridge : .338/300 Win Short Mag [WSM]
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 66.402 grain H2O = 4.311 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H414
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.781% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.8 91 59.00 2531 3200 44731 8402 95.5 1.355
-07.0 92 59.50 2552 3255 45904 8472 95.8 1.339
-06.2 93 60.00 2574 3310 47108 8540 96.2 1.323
-05.5 93 60.50 2595 3365 48345 8606 96.5 1.308
-04.7 94 61.00 2617 3421 49618 8671 96.8 1.293
-03.9 95 61.50 2638 3477 50924 8734 97.0 1.278
-03.1 96 62.00 2660 3534 52274 8795 97.3 1.263
-02.3 97 62.50 2681 3591 53660 8854 97.6 1.249
-01.6 97 63.00 2702 3649 55084 8911 97.8 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 98 63.50 2724 3706 56547 8966 98.0 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 64.00 2745 3765 58048 9019 98.3 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 100 64.50 2766 3823 59587 9070 98.5 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 100 65.00 2788 3883 61167 9119 98.7 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
+02.3 101 65.50 2809 3942 62792 9165 98.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+03.1 102 66.00 2830 4002 64463 9210 99.0 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.9 103 66.50 2851 4062 66183 9252 99.2 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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So does IMR4350: Cartridge : .338/300 Win Short Mag [WSM]
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 66.402 grain H2O = 4.311 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch = 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.793% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 95 58.00 2461 3025 44419 7776 94.5 1.367
-07.1 96 58.50 2481 3076 45555 7845 94.9 1.352
-06.3 97 59.00 2502 3127 46722 7912 95.2 1.336
-05.6 98 59.50 2523 3179 47918 7978 95.5 1.321
-04.8 99 60.00 2543 3231 49149 8043 95.8 1.306
-04.0 99 60.50 2564 3284 50413 8107 96.1 1.292
-03.2 100 61.00 2584 3337 51708 8169 96.4 1.277
-02.4 101 61.50 2605 3390 53034 8229 96.7 1.263
-01.6 102 62.00 2625 3444 54392 8288 97.0 1.249
-00.8 103 62.50 2646 3498 55783 8345 97.2 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 63.00 2667 3552 57212 8401 97.5 1.222 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 104 63.50 2687 3607 58680 8455 97.7 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 105 64.00 2708 3663 60189 8507 97.9 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 106 64.50 2728 3718 61739 8557 98.1 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
+03.2 107 65.00 2749 3774 63333 8606 98.3 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 108 65.50 2769 3831 64972 8653 98.5 1.156 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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hmmm. what version of QL do you use? mine is V3.6... my default case capacity (h20) for this cartridge is 66.419 gr. that's all I see different but our outputs differ quite a bit. my 'weighting factor' is .5 and the shot start pressure is 3636 psi. are those both the same default values as yours?
and how did you copy those charts here?
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Same version, same weighing factor. I haven't' modified the start pressure so I assume they are the same.
I set the powder lot variation at the lowest level, 3%, and in this instance used a 24" bbl (since that's what most short mags come with) I also up the usable capacity to 110%, and set .5 gr increments instead of the crazy % default if uses.
as for copying the charts,
begin with the word code inside of []
end with [/] and the word code inserted after the slash.
Also QL gave a max pressure of just over 64k, so I back if off to 63.5K so the big list didn't show "dangerous do not use"
These are just a few things I've found to make the data more useful.
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Same version, same weighing factor. I haven't' modified the start pressure so I assume they are the same. I set the powder lot variation at the lowest level, 3%, and in this instance used a 24" bbl (since that's what most short mags come with) I also up the usable capacity to 110%, and set .5 gr increments instead of the crazy % default if uses. as for copying the charts, begin with " " but of course without the quotation marks. ok. looks to be the powder lot variation producing the differences. good idea there. I also used 24" barrel length. thanks for the code lesson. i'd have had to take a screen shot and host/link that as a .jpg
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Glad to help. That screenshot jpg stuff would be for the birds!
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Anyhow if anyone has load data for 210-225 bullets be pretty cool. I have RL 17, imr 4007, aa4350, imr 4350, h414, h4831 and imr 4831. Thanks! 210 Noslers, H414, 65g, WLR primer, 2750fps, .76" group. Water volume of the case to the mouth was 80.5g, worst batch of Norma brass I ever saw. Same brass on all loads. 215 Sierra Game King, H414, 68g, WLR primer, 2780fps, .831" group. BEST LOADS 215 Sierra Game King, H4350 66g, 215M primer, 2785fps, .490". " " 69g, " 2795fps .621" 210 Nosler, IMR4831, 71g Max, 2805fps, 215M primer, best group 2.1". 225 Hornady, IMR4831, 72g, 2778fps, WLRM primer, best group .495". 225 Hornady, H4831, 74g, 2744fps, WLR primer, best group 1.034". I was using Pressure Trace equipment on these. Most of these loads were right at 65,000 lbs. Barrel was 22". Be careful! I had pierced a few primers and had extractor marks before I used the Pressure Trace. This was about the time I quit being a velocity freak. You don't see pressure signs till you're usually well over safety. I have quite a bit more data on other powders, particularly the VihtaVouri line. Good luck with N560, not so good with N100 series. Good luck. Found another with H414, 210 Noslers. 65g, 2750fps, .76" gp.
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Hey thanks for the help fellas
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Update been hard at with this thing I was getting well over 2800 fps with rl 17 but accuracy not their I was using 225gr hornady. Then switched to 210gr ttsx using rl19 accuracy was promising but stopped with this load went back to 225gr bullets. So switched to rl22 accuracy is their with 225gr accubonds and 225gr hornady sst, but my chrono broke I need to go buy another one I have no idea what the velocity is as of now.
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I use 200gr Accubonds with 66.5 rl17. I’m going to give rl26 a try in it with 225gr bullets. I couple hundred 225gr Accubonds.
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I'd like to hear the report once you move into those 225's
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66 gr with RL-17 for your 338-300 WSM with the 225 accubond sounds about right. My 22" 338 RCM using 225 accubonds: uses 61 gr of RL-17 for 2750 fps Now if you want some serious thump you could try the 300 gr Berger OTM. My load: 300 gr Berger 54 grains of RL-17 vel 2350 fps. Fits and feeds from 3.050" magazine. I would imagine you could get 2400 fps or more. A poster on LRH, Broz, reported velocities with his kills with the 300 gr OTM bullet. I calculated that even with this sluggish bullet it would be quite lethal out to 550 yds or a bit more Your rifle would extend the performance even more. Broz: "We took two elk today with the Berger 300gr Hybrid OTM from my .338 Lapua mag. Bullet performance was pretty much identical with 1 1/4 to 1 1/2" exits." First was at 825 Yards and a rib cage shot. Impact velocity was 1966 fps. Exit was about 1 1/4" "Bedded cow at 816 yards. Impact velocity was 1975 fps. Cow was slightly facing away. Entrance was in the crease behind the near shoulder. Exit was far shoulder. I was kinda surprised that the exit was only 1 1/2" or so. But this exit is deceiving. Note the bone fragments on he hair around the hole. Inside was total destruction and the exit shoulder was a loss. Elk died quick and clean. I am pleased." link: https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/berger-230-and-300-otm-hybrid-terminal-results.80283/page-2
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Thanks for slippin' that 338 RCM data in there Az.
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