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A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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Is this a question or a statement?


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My pick was the 375 Ruger....S/S 700, Brux, McM, Loophole....

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I think the the .375 Ruger is here to stay, there are like 4-5 makers of the gun now.

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Is this a question or a statement?
Just edited the title, sorry about that.

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Any of the first three....don't think you need the 4th.




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Mine is the 375 Ruger. It's a left handed bolt action. I've got dies, brass, bullets & powder. I'm ready for a grizzly hunt.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Any of the first three....don't think you need the 4th.


I'll trust Bob on this. What was the question again, or was it really a statement??


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I suppose this will be a rambling internet answer because:
I have rifles chambered in 375 Ruger, 375 H&H, 338 Win Mag; no 416 Ruger, though a 416 Rem Mag. I consider the 338 Win Mag a definite all-arounder for larger game. If I got down to only one rifle, it would be chambered in 338 Win Mag.
I do really like .375's, and the past few years having been toting a 375 Ruger. For me, the difference between the Ruger and the H&H is strictly the rifle platforms, nothing to do with the belt or the purported/actual velocity differences. I do like the Ruger case design. But, hell I like the sloping classic H&H design also.
My logical side (Not my purchasing side) says; Bob's comment above is correct, regarding the 416. Though, I have never wished that I had a smaller caliber when carrying a 416 or larger. But, this has very much to do with the terrain that I hunt and travel in.

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A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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I have a serious hankerin' for a 358 Norma. I need to sort out this 270 WSM I just picked up though...... I agree the 338WM is serious business but I've never had a problem sitting down elk with 180+gn 30 cals.

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They all have the power to do what you want. I have the first 3 and out of them I'd pick the .338 as an all around. Quite frankly, I can shoot the .338 better than the .375s and it's better to stick a smaller bullet in the right place than a big bullet in the wrong place. If you haven't any experience with them, try them out before you decide.


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I opted for the .416 Ruger. I have enough various .375 calibers that despite my respect for the .375 Ruger I opted for its bigger brother. Haven't regreted it yet!

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375 H&H for me because I have one. But the 338 would do the job more than likely just about as well. The 416 would too but maybe the 375's would be the best all around cartridges .


JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H

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Originally Posted by aalf
My pick was the 375 Ruger....S/S 700, Brux, McM, Loophole....

To elaborate a bit....

I've had all on your list, except my 416 was a RM.

I had a Custom KS mountain rifle in 338WM, sold that for a s/s 338 Ultra, which I felt was too much of a good thing, so then traded back for the KS, which I ended up selling again.

I built a 358 STA with the intent of killing a BB some day, which I did, but then realized you couldn't kill a bear too dead, and bought the 416, in case there was another bear hunt in the future.

The STA also had barrels in 375 H&H and a H&H Improved. Shot 'em some, but never hunted or killed anything with them.

I finally decided to sell off all of the above, and build the 375 Ruger. Hell of a round, great brass, and a bit more velocity than the H&H, w/o the offending recoil of the two 338's, and scary accuracy.

As it stands, I sold the Ruger because I had built a 338-06 Ackley, as Africa is now out, another BB hunt is barely a long shot possibility, but an inland grizzly being kinda in first place for another bear hunt. I'll feel fine with the 210 or 225 Partition or X bullet in that case.

I'd probably pick a 338 WM if I was in your boots now.

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Originally Posted By: wildchild2010
A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

Frankly I am a H&H fan and use it for everything and have since '96.
That said once you get to Alaska I'll bet ammo would be everywhere for the H&H, 338 WM, 300WM & 30/06. Not so much the 375 or 416 Ruger, but I've been wrong before.
Black bear, caribou, and moose are not hard to kill & if you have hopes to draw a Brown Bear tag then why not reconsider your choice. With a more user friendly rifle/cartridge and go with an stainless steel 30/06 with a Tupperware stock. It'll costless to feed, ammo can be found everywhere, and very usable even for the big bear you hope for. Plus it will be lighter & very handy with say a 22" tube on it.
Of course the best possible choice would be one 06 & one 375H&H, the later for the possible brown bear tag!

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A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field yand have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

Frankly I am a H&H fan and use it for everything and have since '96.
That said once you get to Alaska I'll bet ammo would be everywhere for the H&H, 338 WM, 300WM & 30/06. Not so much the 375 or 416 Ruger, but I've been wrong before.
Black bear, caribou, and moose are not hard to kill & if you have hopes to draw a Brown Bear tag then why not reconsider your choice. With a more user friendly rifle/cartridge and go with an stainless steel 30/06 with a Tupperware stock. It'll costless to feed, ammo can be found everywhere, and very usable even for the big bear you hope for. Plus it will be lighter & very handy with say a 22" tube on it.
Of course the best possible choice would be one 06 & one 375H&H, the later for the possible brown bear tag!
Thanks for the reply, i have take a lot of deer and a few black bear with the NP and did a great job. Some folks say it isn`t enough gun, but you do your job an down goes the animal. I know many who hunt black bear, moose, bou in Alaska with the .223 and do a fine job at feeding the family. Im not rich so that is why i been asking a lot of questions on rifles. Heck an old 8mm mauser or 7.62x54 nagant may be a good biggame rifle.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Any of the first three....don't think you need the 4th.


Yes, mine would be the .375 H&H, as I've got a pair of .375's now and shoot them well.

That said, a good .30-06 would likely do just fine.

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My choice was the .375 Ruger, as much for the Ruger Hawkeye African rifle I shoot it in as the caliber.
Now stocked in a McMillan McWoody, it is a light, handy, accurate, CRF rifle suited for anything big I might want to take on. It's going with me to Texas next month on a Nilgai hunt, and to Africa in August for African Lion.
With Barnes TSX 270 gr. bullets at 2800 fps, and great accuracy, it is about as versatile a caliber as you can find for bigger stuff, at short to longish ranges.


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I would say the one that fits You!> no one talks much about that! Are you a small guy ? a big Guy!> the way you are talking about Big Bear the first thing I would say find a rifle that comes to your shoulder like MOTHERS MILK then talk about the cartridge.

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Get a 375 ruger and never look back. The 416 is just not needed if your quarry tops out at griz and moose.


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375 Ruger will lock Up on you!!!If you push to 375 H&H pressures you can never push a ruger 375 300g bullet to 2700 fps with out lock UP. 375 H&H you can Enjoy. your life may depend on your load! {RElOADERS}

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let's see your .375 Ruger that locked up.


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If you are on the Ball > the 375 Ruger has been down loading their loads because of Lock UP>ENJOY!

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show me any locked-up .375 Ruger.


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Originally Posted by wildchild2010
A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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I carried a .338WM in Alaska for a couple of decades and it did just fine. 250gr Partitions for everything except Sitka Blacktails on Kodiak, and I used 200gr Hornady FP loaded to ~2200fps for them.

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Originally Posted by bcd
blah blah blah blah blah...


like I thought. no locked up .375. you read it on the internet and think it's the gospel..


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Originally Posted by wildchild2010
A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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Of those that you listed the 338 win mag is the choice IMHO and experience. I lived and hunted in Alaska for 7 years and the 338 win mag never let me down for deer to grizz with moose and bou thrown in between. I even took my Dall Sheep with the 338 win mag

With today's better bullets I would be content with my 30-06 loaded with TSX or TTSX bullets with nary a concern



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Ap> please tell Toad and Elk that a scope can kill you> they just dont get it!

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I have had several .375 H&H rifles, over some 30 years and about a dozen .338WM rifles over the past almost 46 years and used other big bores. I also have five 9,3 bores, four x62 and one x74R.

My FIRST choice here, of what is listed, would be and is a .338WM, loaded with 250 NPs at 2750-2800 and 250 HILs, the same.

I have six fine rifles so chambered and nothing quite matches this round here in BC, in my almost 50 years of field experience.

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But Africa and the world says the 375 is min and hits harder!> then the 338 and i would Agree!Enjoy.

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But luv those 275 g speers 338!

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Should do a thread of the best bullet ever made{275g speer 338} super cheap and hit like thunder !> its what made the 6.5 swed so good!

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Cheap is what killed it!> we want you to pay big buck for a 275 g 338!

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I'd choose my Remington KS Alaskan Wilderness Rifle in .300 RUM with a 220gr Partition. Much lighter and easier to carry than my 375 H&H Sako and still has long range capability even better than a .338 Win Mag, with much less recoil.
JMHO. I chose the rifle I wanted first, & then the Caliber.

But in answer to the OP's original question, if I had to choose form the calibers he listed? I'd take the Ruger Hawkeye in a .375 Ruger. That rifle / caliber Combo ought to be the perfect choice for an all around Alaska Bear & Moose gun.


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Boy, I have read SOME bullsh!t in my life, but, this "bcd" weirdo takes the freakin' CAKE!!!

NO, moron, the old .338-275 Speer is NOT ...the best..., in fact, it is a mediocre bullet and not even close to the 250 NP, 250SAF or several other, lighter, premium bullets available for the .338 bore.

Only, a congenital imbecile would post that this is what made the 6.5 Swede great as there is NO relationship, other than they are both rifle cartridges. GAWD, you are SO stupid and azzholian in all aspects of your miserable presence here, GO AWAY, NOW!!!

BTW, I was carrying a big bore rifle every day, all day, as a part of my employment in BC, long before YOU were even a gleam in your father's eye, one which turned to a look of horror at your parturition, no doubt. You should be permanently made a "guest at Her Majesty's pleasure" at your local looneybin!

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Originally Posted by kutenay
Boy, I have read SOME bullsh!t in my life, but, this "bcd" weirdo takes the freakin' CAKE!!!

NO, moron, the old .338-275 Speer is NOT ...the best..., in fact, it is a mediocre bullet and not even close to the 250 NP, 250SAF or several other, lighter, premium bullets available for the .338 bore.

Only, a congenital imbecile would post that this is what made the 6.5 Swede great as there is NO relationship, other than they are both rifle cartridges. GAWD, you are SO stupid and azzholian in all aspects of your miserable presence here, GO AWAY, NOW!!!

BTW, I was carrying a big bore rifle every day, all day, as a part of my employment in BC, long before YOU were even a gleam in your father's eye, one which turned to a look of horror at your parturition, no doubt. You should be permanently made a "guest at Her Majesty's pleasure" at your local looneybin!



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Originally Posted by bcd
375 Ruger will lock Up on you!!!If you push to 375 H&H pressures you can never push a ruger 375 300g bullet to 2700 fps with out lock UP. 375 H&H you can Enjoy. your life may depend on your load! {RElOADERS}


That is certainly not my experience - in fact, since the 375 H&H case has LESS powder capacity than the 375 Ruger, the opposite is closer to the truth.

In case anyone it paying attention here, the 375 Ruger has made huge inroads in the Alaskan market and for good reasons.

They made lightweight, handy, reliable and powerful rifles like this 7 1/2 pound one my daugher uses when she is guiding

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I even have a few years of using them myself, and this hunter thought his was perfect

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What scope does this lovely, young lady use on her rifle? It seems that my favourite Leupy 1.75x6 MHD, used on most of my .338s, would be ideal and also keep the rifle light, eh?

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One of the rugged little 8 oz Leupold 2 1/2 compact scopes.


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Dont you guys KNOW scopes will get you killed. Lmao


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
Dont you guys KNOW scopes will get you killed. Lmao



Fortunately most Alaskan guides don't read these threads because they are out in the field hunting with scopes on their rifles - and that bear who's paw I am holding was in such thick pucker brush that without a scope it is doubtful we would have even been able to see him well enough to get a shot.

So I guess it is true, as least as far as the bear was concerned, a scope can get you killed grin


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I have 3 of the Leupold 2 1/2 compacts on big bore rifles. One on my 416 that I killed a cape buff with last year was on a 458 for 5 yrs before that. They are hell for stout!


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I have also never found an animal that required a 375 or larger than I needed to magnify more than 2 1/2 times !!! I have even made kills on game as small as Dall sheep at distances well over 400 yards with the 2 1/2 Leupolds on my 30-06 and on moose over 400 yards with my 458.


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Originally Posted by raybass
375 H&H for me because I have one. But the 338 would do the job more than likely just about as well. The 416 would too but maybe the 375's would be the best all around cartridges .

I agree with raybass on the 375 H&H, but I'm getting a new to me pre 64 alaskan chambered in 338, so that may be my new favorite wink..I've shot elk with the 338 win mag and it sure does work well. I don't think I'd feel "undergunned" in AK with a good 338 winny in hand. Of course, I'd probably be running some good pills like the 250gr. partition as well...My second choice isn't even on the list, but it would be the 9.3x62mm for obvious reasons....


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by 458Win
I have also never found an animal that required a 375 or larger than I needed to magnify more than 2 1/2 times !!! I have even made kills on game as small as Dall sheep at distances well over 400 yards with the 2 1/2 Leupolds on my 30-06 and on moose over 400 yards with my 458.


You are blessed with good eyesight too my friend. I woldn't be able to see a damn sheep in a 2.5x scope at 400 yards...


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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I have two of the Leupy 2.5s, like them, but, find my elderly Leupy 3x to be brighter as are my 4xs.

I have one 2.5x on my P-64-.375 H&H 20" carbine, built by a buddy for prospecting in BC/YT/NWT and then sold to me as I was going to go to work for him, until my wife's became ill in early 2010.

The spare needs a change in reticle to the HD as the original has, but, they certainly are small, light and this rig is VERY accurate and also shootable with 300 NPs at 2400.

I wish that Leupy made a 2.5x on the 4xx28mm frame.

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Boy, I have read SOME bullsh!t in my life, but, this "bcd" weirdo takes the freakin' CAKE!!!

NO, moron, the old .338-275 Speer is NOT ...the best..., in fact, it is a mediocre bullet and not even close to the 250 NP, 250SAF or several other, lighter, premium bullets available for the .338 bore.

Only, a congenital imbecile would post that this is what made the 6.5 Swede great as there is NO relationship, other than they are both rifle cartridges. GAWD, you are SO stupid and azzholian in all aspects of your miserable presence here, GO AWAY, NOW!!!

BTW, I was carrying a big bore rifle every day, all day, as a part of my employment in BC, long before YOU were even a gleam in your father's eye, one which turned to a look of horror at your parturition, no doubt. You should be permanently made a "guest at Her Majesty's pleasure" at your local looneybin!
Kutenay,have you tried the 275 gr SAF in your .338's?


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No, I am very much a "one load" man, preferring to use the same bullet weight in a given cartridge and using different bullets to obtain different performances and to avoid wasting scarce $$$$ on using NPs for target practice.

I KNOW some here who have used it, mostly guides working in Grizzly-dense areas and I think it would be the ideal bullet for this purpose. I have driven the 250 NP right through the chest of large bull Elk and cannot imagine a more versatile bullet than this particular Nosler.

My loads, run this at 2700+ to a hair over 2800 fps-mv and I am happy with that; my Martini-modded Dakota-76, will put the 250-NP and the 250 HIL into the same sub-moa groups all day long....but, these are loaded "max" and I notice that I cannot handle the recoil as I used to.....

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I've got 3 of the above calibers, I've had a couple of the 375 Rugers but having 2 375 H&H was hard to justify. I'm thinking of going back to the Ruger for one in 375 diameter. I lived in Alaska for 33 years and just recently moved to Idaho, for the most part I either hunted with a 375 Sako or a 338 Win Mag. THe 338 was stainless so the last several years I'd have to say it probably got out more. I'm going to take the Sako and have it Cerakoted as it could use some attention after the years and weather. I've got the 416 Ruger just because, not sure I need it but still thinking on it. I pick rifles and calibers for various reasons I just like 30-06, 338 and 375's. Historically and performance wise.


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I'd be very happy with either the 375 Ruger or the good old 375H&H Whichever I could find the better deal on. I'm guessing the less expensive option would be the Ruger.

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I'd be very happy with either the 375 Ruger or the good old 375H&H Whichever I could find the better deal on. I'm guessing the less expensive option would be the Ruger.



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I'm not an Alaska guy but for central and northern BC I would go with the 338wm. Plenty of penetration, lots of range, it's all good.

I shot 275grn SAF's for awhile but settled on the 250grn SAF's as my practice bullets are all 250grn. I can't see 25 grains of bullet weight making that much difference at impact, nothing wrong with the bullet -worked darn well.

I'm with Kute's on one load. I'm not skilled enough to be good at all the ranges I shoot at with multiple bullet weights and loads so I just shoot 250's.

Mr Shoemaker, I am intrigued by that scope on your daughters rifle. I am assuming it is holding up well? Decent at lower light levels?


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Mr Shoemaker, I am intrigued by that scope on your daughters rifle. I am assuming it is holding up well? Decent at lower light levels?



It is the same scope I have had on my 458 for almost 30 years and like I have on multiple of my camp rifles as well. they only weigh around 8 oz and are tougher than a woodpecker's lips.
We have fairly long twilight up here during the fall and spring season and I have never had an issue with them not being bright enough.

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Ap> please tell Toad and Elk that a scope can kill you> they just dont get it!

OK, this is a little strange! Can you elaborate in the context of this thread?


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Dont you guys KNOW scopes will get you killed. Lmao


Only if they lock (or luck) up. Everyone knows that.


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Are you limiting it to those four and just one rifle? If so, here's my take. I've had or have a 375 H&H, 375 Ruger, 375 Mashburn, and my 416 was a Remington; my .338s included both the Winchester and the 340 B. I've not taken a brown bear but have been around them enough to have at least a fair idea of what I'd be comfortable carrying for them (and I was comfortable with the 340 and 250-gr Nos Parts).

With the first three in question, the platform would be the most important to me as all are capable for your noted goals. I don't think you'd need the 416; or at least, it'd be my fourth choice as an all-rounder. As to the 338s I've had, including the 340, I find them just as disruptive on the shoulder generally speaking as the 375s mentioned. Plus, now with the 260-gr AB and the 250-gr TTSX 375s you give up nothing in trajectory to the 338s.

For me then, it'd be one of the 375s, unless of course, as mentioned you come upon the 338 platform that snuggles up to you just right.

But then, other than these four, there are the 9.3x62, the 30/06 with 200-gr Nos Part's, and then some others..

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Originally Posted by bcd
Should do a thread of the best bullet ever made{275g speer 338} super cheap and hit like thunder !> its what made the 6.5 swed so good!


As to the 338, 275-gr Speer, I could probably find ten other 338 bullets that will out-penetrate it.

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Should do a thread of the best bullet ever made{275g speer 338} super cheap and hit like thunder !> its what made the 6.5 swed so good!


As to the 338, 275-gr Speer, I could probably find ten other 338 bullets that will out-penetrate it.



I could make that 11 grin


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Originally Posted by 458Win

...that bear who's paw I am holding was in such thick pucker brush that without a scope it is doubtful we would have even been able to see him well enough to get a shot.

I have also never found an animal that required a 375 or larger than I needed to magnify more than 2 1/2 times !!! I have even made kills on game as small as Dall sheep at distances well over 400 yards with the 2 1/2 Leupolds on my 30-06 and on moose over 400 yards with my 458.

It is the same scope I have had on my 458 for almost 30 years and like I have on multiple of my camp rifles as well. they only weigh around 8 oz and are tougher than a woodpecker's lips.



Phil, you have made similar comments about the Leupold 2.5 Ultralight many times and have convinced me to give one a try.

What reticle are you using?

When the 2.5 Ultralight is compared to some of the other low power options from Leupold, it's field of view is smaller. Have you ever felt the FOV was too small. I suspect you haven't had any problems with this or you wouldn't still be using them!

Again, thank you for sharing your practical knowledge and wisdom.

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Scott, you are correct that the little Leupold compact has a narrower FOV but if the rifle fits I have never found it a hinderence. In fact, when I now use scopes with larger eyepieces they seem cumbersome.


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IME that 2.5X Leupold has what I think is HUGE eye relief...at any rate for me the damned thing is long way from your face and acts more like an iron site in that regard.

If your rifle comes anywhere close to fitting your face it is very fast for target acquisition,and even heavy recoil is not gonna land the scope in your face.




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Alaska most likely a 06 and a good bullet.But if I wanted to be slapped with recoil the 358 STA would be the one doing it.

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9.3 x 62 is going be the best choice for 90% of folks. With modern ammunition, its a 400 yard cartridge. Recoils like the 338 win mag, but with big bullets is more capable. Probably killed more buffalo than any other cartridge.


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I have shot black bear and caribou
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I roll my own and have 350+ pieces of brass and access to another 300.
I run the .375 hornady 270 grain soft points of which I have 250+ and the 270 round nose which I have about 150.
Im running 2550 MV with 62 gr imr4895 out of a 20" 9# scored rifle with reserve irons.
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phil a ? , in the pic of your daughter, her rifle has what looks like a short rod sticking out of the forend of the stock. yours has what looks like a laser under the br. is hers for a bipod or a really small laser? thanks in advance. can you post a pic of some of your biggest skulls from past few years? that one with your 458 is cool.

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Mr Shoemaker, I am intrigued by that scope on your daughters rifle. I am assuming it is holding up well? Decent at lower light levels?



It is the same scope I have had on my 458 for almost 30 years and like I have on multiple of my camp rifles as well. they only weigh around 8 oz and are tougher than a woodpecker's lips.
We have fairly long twilight up here during the fall and spring season and I have never had an issue with them not being bright enough.

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I have 2 35 Whelens 7600 Pump Rifle and a LH 35 Whelen IMP, 9.3 X 62, 338 RCM, & a 375 Ruger.

So have a lot of choices I usually take the Ruger LH 35 Whelen Imp. because I am used to it and it kills well. If I was to go after big coastal Br Bear either the 9.3 X 62 or the 375 Ruger would be the choice.

Prefer the 375 Ruger to the 375 H&H better case for reloading IMHO. Plus finally an affordable LH Control feed SS rifle.


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Of the calibers listed, I'd go for the 338 Win Mag. It is a predictable round and easy to shoot accurately. However, as some have already mentioned, my choice would be the proven 9.3x62 Mauser. If you reload, it is an easy caliber to work with and my CZ 550 American is very accurate,

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338 is the caliber I use most. I have 375's, 416 Rigby and a 458 Lott, but the 338 wm has harvested more game than the others combined.

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On most of our working rifles that we use guiding during moose and bear season I have mounted a small section of picitinny rail in the front of the forend so we can attach Surefire lights at night. they sure make things more comfortable when sorting out noises outside the tent and when walking at night they are better than a headlight.


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Any would work naturally. A .338,.358, .375 of whatever ilk is going to be more adept at "all around" type of work Than the larger bores. I have a .338 Win. and a .375 H&H. And even though I am a handloader I am pretty sure "in the event" you had an ammo problem you can find flavors of either caliber all over the world. Perhaps the Ruger rounds will have that availibility in the future, who knows.

So if I had to choose, since I have a .338 and .375 and they both are pretty similiar in size and weight I will pick the .375. It just works and is still a benchmark.

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I love the confidence and no BS performance I get from my 416 Ruger Alaskan. Short, lightweight, fast handling and what I shoot, dies. 400gr Hornady RN and 350gr Barnes TTSX are monster projectiles in the 416 Ruger.

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I had a Sako AV action set up with a 24" Shilen tube, laminated stock, Warne rings and a 2-7x Leupold put together before I went north in 1986, it was chambered in 338 Win. Mag.

Today, I'd get a lighter stock for it but other than that I'd change nothing.

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I read this on the internet.



�When a client shows up in camp with a .375 Holland & Holland, you immediately know that you have a practical and able chap as a customer, a wise and knowledgeable hunter who will listen to reason. When a client shows up in camp with a .458 Win Mag, you know that most likely the only experience the hunter has had is reading the pages of Outdoor Life magazine, probably 30-year-old editions. When a client shows up in camp with a Remington or a Weatherby in any caliber, you know the hunter�s experience probably does not extend past the clerk at the gun counter. When a client shows up with a double rifle, you know you have an elitist for a customer, much like the guy coming down the charter boat dock at the marina carrying a fly rod, and you approach him with caution. When a client shows up with a .416 Rigby, you know you have someone who has studied and respects the rich history and traditions of the sport of dangerous-game hunting. And when a client shows up in camp with a .404 Jeffery, you know this is someone who cares enough about said history and traditions to go to the immense trouble of building and loading a gun and cartridge long sacrificed to the gods of mass production and commercialism. You take a liking to this guy immediately.�

makes me think a .404 Ruger might be the answer to the question.

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375H&H is always a good choice. .338 Win Mag is a little on the small side if you happen to meet a grizzly bear. The .375 Ruger will work fine but make sure to take plenty of ammo it is a little hard to find sometimes. The .416 Ruger is the same as ammo can be harder yet to find plus the recoil is something that needs to be worked up to. Most people find it more than acceptable.

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Originally Posted by wildchild2010
A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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One of the .375's since a brown bear is a possibility. I don't see a big advantage for one cartridge over the other. I found a super deal on a Talkeetna so that is what I own.

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30/06 springfield covers grey squirrels to Elephants. I see no need for anything else.

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30/06 springfield covers grey squirrels to Elephants. I see no need for anything else.

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That would be the .338 WM and /or the .375 H&H. We (wife) and I use both.....exclusively! Though the .375, is of the AI persuasion!

Nothing wrong with the other two. The Ruger pretty much duplicates the H&H, the .416.....I’d prefer a flatter shooting more versatile cartridge. Ammo availability also gives the “nod” to the WM and the H&H! memtb


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Originally Posted by 458Win
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Dont you guys KNOW scopes will get you killed. Lmao



Fortunately most Alaskan guides don't read these threads because they are out in the field hunting with scopes on their rifles - and that bear who's paw I am holding was in such thick pucker brush that without a scope it is doubtful we would have even been able to see him well enough to get a shot.

So I guess it is true, as least as far as the bear was concerned, a scope can get you killed grin


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if I needed ammo in Alaska for that reason the only two I would use is 1st choice 338 win.mag. 2nd would be 375 H&H


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Originally Posted by Shawn2571
30/06 springfield covers grey squirrels to Elephants. I see no need for anything else.


I’m going to give you the award for being “The King of bringing up forgotten threads.”
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I lived in and hunted Alaska 12-years and I started hunting with the 338 win mag in a Ruger 77 tang rifle .I learned quick wood stocks and blued rifles are not the greatest thing In Alaska so I.bought a stainless 338 Ruger 77 mark II rifle .It is super accurate but I was hunting the tundra alot and shots under 300 ,yards were way less than those over 300 yards .I then saw weatherby was making the 338-378 weatherby accunark .I got one then another one and put big 6'5x20 scopes on.them .I also bought a 416 rem mag for the thickets and for a tent gun for bears at night .That combo worked awesome .Now I am thinking about building a 30 inch barrel 338-378 weatherby for even more range .I still use my 338 win mag in.the lower 48 but my 338 win mags in Alaska got loaned to friends who used them up to 300 yards with great success .That's the only down side to the 338win mag but it's an awesome rifle in Alaska but the 338-378 weatherby accumarks made everything alot better.They are like big game varmint rifles .If I can handle them I will try to use the 300 grain bullets in the 338-378 weatherby they add range to then also .

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376 steyr
Cause I got one
Cause it's scary accurate
Cause I got 600 pieces of brass
Cause it'll launch a 270@ 2500+


OK...and now for the “upside”! grin


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In the US, the .338 with 185gn TTSX for the medium stuff and 265gn LRX for the bigger animals.
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I have a harem of "perfect, all around Alaskan rifles " that I keep in camp as loaners for guides, packers and clients. They are chambered in .338, 9.3x62, 375 H&H and Ruger and .416 Ruger and Rigby.
The 375 Rugers are the most popular by far. The 375 H&H and the 9.3x62 come in a distant second.
Although both .338's are superbly accurate, very few of today's hunters seem interested in either them or the 416's

I also just returned from the annual SCI convention in Las Vegas and heard from a good number of African PH's that the .375 Ruger is making serious inroads in popularity over there as well.


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9.3 x 62 is going be the best choice for 90% of folks. With modern ammunition, its a 400 yard cartridge. Recoils like the 338 win mag, but with big bullets is more capable. Probably killed more buffalo than any other cartridge.



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When the .375 Ruger came out I thought it would start replacing the .338 Win. Sounds like that is about right.

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"...heard from a good number of African PH's that the .375 Ruger is making serious inroads in popularity over there..."
Did they talk about the availability of ammunition for the 375 and 416 Ruger on the Africa continent? Don't get me wrong both cartridges are very innovative and I am a strong proponent. However when I took my 416 Ruger to Zim the PH said that ammo was only available in a large city in South Africa.

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I cannot say that the 375 Ruger totally replaced my 338 Win. But, will say it did replace it for the moose hunting that I do in the more restricted visibility areas that I hunt. And if, I were a specifically targeting bear, the 375 Ruger or the 416 Ruger does replaces the 338 Win for me. Needed perhaps not, but psychologically comforting for me without a doubt a yes.

The 375 Ruger has replaced the 375 H&H for my hunting, unless I am in a nostalgic mood. And that mood is usually sedated at the range and not the field. Though I still own more rifles in 375 H&Hs than any other cartridge.

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When the .375 Ruger came out I thought it would start replacing the .338 Win. Sounds like that is about right.


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An update on this 5 year old post:
My thoughts have not changed.
But, I did add a 416 Ruger Alaskan not long after this post. And it does work very well on moose also with a 350 grain TSX. It now has a McMillan classic stock. I like it lots.

I still use the 375 Ruger more often than anything else, in either a 20" barrel or a longer. It is definitely a favorite cartridge and I have 2 favored rifles in it, both Ruger stainless platforms.


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I have rifles chambered in 375 Ruger, 375 H&H, 338 Win Mag; no 416 Ruger, though a 416 Rem Mag. I consider the 338 Win Mag a definite all-arounder for larger game. If I got down to only one rifle, it would be chambered in 338 Win Mag.
I do really like .375's, and the past few years having been toting a 375 Ruger. For me, the difference between the Ruger and the H&H is strictly the rifle platforms, nothing to do with the belt or the purported/actual velocity differences. I do like the Ruger case design. But, hell I like the sloping classic H&H design also.
My logical side (Not my purchasing side) says; Bob's comment above is correct, regarding the 416. Though, I have never wished that I had a smaller caliber when carrying a 416 or larger. But, this has very much to do with the terrain that I hunt and travel in.

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A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.

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When the .375 Ruger came out I thought it would start replacing the .338 Win. Sounds like that is about right.

Not in Alaska. In here the .30-06 is king, then the .300WM, and .338WM. Following those three, the 7mm Magnum, and then .375H&H. I don't think that the new cartridges are going to replace the old reliables above any time soon. Maybe in the lower-48 States that will happen. Just look at all the offerings named "-Alaskan," and none can still catch the real Alaskan introduced in 1958.

To me the .338WM is it for hunting in the US.

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Coastal grizzlies are the only of the listed species that I'd want anything more than a stainless 30-06 or 300 mag for. For the big bad brown bears my comfort level would go up with a 375 H&H or 416 Rem mag. I would definitely pick a 30 or under for bou and most likely black bear.

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I bought a .375 Ruger in preparation for a trip to Africa, I was glad that I did, I got to shoot several animals, that were tough to put down, and look through the scope at several more that my finances-not my firearm determined were not on the menu for the day.

The main reason why, at the time a new Ruger hawkeye african was about $400-500 less than any .375 H&H available. but it shot excellent right from the start too, quickly making me very happy about the decision.

the Ruger was very versatile with any bullet weights, and very accomodating to load for as well not finicky about bullets or powders. Brass and components were available, reasonably priced, and easy to get.

Gembok, Kudu, Blue wildebeast, Zebra, and Warthog all fell to a 260gr Partition, I also got to look over Eland, Cape Buffalo, and Giraffe while there- at least it was a possibility, even if I would be hawking everything I owned when I returned smile

It works darned well on Elk back here in the US of A as well, they don't run off when hit with it.

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I'd go with a 375, either the Ruger or the H&H. I am on the 2nd barrel in my Mauser 375H&H and I know how well it preforms, so I have trouble going to something else.

The Ruger would be fine with me too because it's going to do what the H&H will do and so I have full faith in it, even though I have never used a 375 Ruger.

I have owned and used some 338 Winchesters and to be honest, I could not see the same level of effectiveness over a 20 year span of time as I saw with my 375, so I sold the 338s. Not a single thing wrong with them, but they just were not quite in the same league as the 375.

I have also owned two 416 Taylors I made myself. The same bullet (400 grain) at the same speed (2350 to 2400) as the original Rigby. Excellent guns and excellent cartridge, but I sold them too. For Africa they would have stayed in my possession, but I am not ever going back and so the 375 does as well on North American game as the 416 and reaches farther.

I still have a 404 Jeffery.
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Just because it's very similar to one I used when I was young, and I just like it. But I don't hunt with it much.
I use the 375H&H, or just recently I have started using a 9.3X62 with perfect results also. I can't see much difference (yet) between the 375 and the 9.3 on game, but the 9.3 has a bit shorter barrel, holds 2 more rounds in the mag, weighs 1-1/2 pounds less and the recoil is about the same, which is to say not bad at all.

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I'd go with a 375, either the Ruger or the H&H. I am on the 3rd barrel in my Mauser 375H&H and I know how well it preforms, so I have trouble going to something else.

The Ruger would be fine with me too because it's going to do what the H&H will do and so I have full faith in it, even though I have never used a 375 Ruger.

I have owned and used some 338 Winchesters and to be honest, I could not see the same level of effectiveness over a 20 year span of time as I saw with my 375, so I sold the 338s. Not a single thing wrong with them, but they just were not quite in the same league as the 375.

I have also owned two 416 Taylors I made myself. The same bullet (400 grain) at the same speed (2350 to 2400) as the original Rigby. Excellent guns and excellent cartridge, but I sold them too. For Africa they would have stayed in my possession, but I am not ever going back and so the 375 does as well on North American game as the 416 and reaches farther.

I still have a 404 Jeffery.
Why?
Just because it's very similar to one I used when I was young, and I just like it. But I don't hunt with it much.
I use the 375H&H, or just recently I have started using a 9.3X62 with perfect results also. I can't see much difference (yet) between the 375 and the 9.3 on game, but the 9.3 has a bit shorter barrel, holds 2 more rounds in the mag, weighs 1-1/2 pounds less and the recoil is about the same, which is to say not bad at all.

For Alaska hunting alone, I would pick the .375H&H over the .375 Ruger, simply because ammo for the latter is not as readily available as the former. That said, a .338-caliber rifle can't equal a .375H&H nor a .375 Ruger. All cartridges are different from one another.

But for hunting in the interior of Alaska, I would pick the .338WM over any .375H&H. Just like the .30-06 and .300WM, out of the box a .338 is lighter than a .375H&H, and will outdistance it, much like a .300WM with a 180-grain bullet will outdistance a .338WM with a 225-250-grain bullet. At the AK hunting grounds, there is a pretty good chance that you will see other hunters carrying the older cartridges such as the .30-06, .300 and .338, and the .375H&H.

And yes, there are all kinds of gun articles where supposedly new guns are the best, this and that, even new guns that still shoot the same-caliber bullets as the old guns (for example, .375H&H bullets shot out of a .375 Ruger). Advertisements go a long way relating to selling guns, and I read some of the gun writers' articles about supposedly new rifles where they go out there and kill a coyote or two, and then explain how good the new rifle is and how well it performed. No wonder gun magazines are getting thinner and thinner each day.

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338 Win would be more than sufficient for all those animals. My other choice would be a 375 H&H, but that would be a little more than needed. I think a 30-06 would do well with those choices.


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I'd go with a 375, either the Ruger or the H&H. I am on the 3rd barrel in my Mauser 375H&H and I know how well it preforms, so I have trouble going to something else.

The Ruger would be fine with me too because it's going to do what the H&H will do and so I have full faith in it, even though I have never used a 375 Ruger.

I have owned and used some 338 Winchesters and to be honest, I could not see the same level of effectiveness over a 20 year span of time as I saw with my 375, so I sold the 338s. Not a single thing wrong with them, but they just were not quite in the same league as the 375.

I have also owned two 416 Taylors I made myself. The same bullet (400 grain) at the same speed (2350 to 2400) as the original Rigby. Excellent guns and excellent cartridge, but I sold them too. For Africa they would have stayed in my possession, but I am not ever going back and so the 375 does as well on North American game as the 416 and reaches farther.

I still have a 404 Jeffery.
Why?
Just because it's very similar to one I used when I was young, and I just like it. But I don't hunt with it much.
I use the 375H&H, or just recently I have started using a 9.3X62 with perfect results also. I can't see much difference (yet) between the 375 and the 9.3 on game, but the 9.3 has a bit shorter barrel, holds 2 more rounds in the mag, weighs 1-1/2 pounds less and the recoil is about the same, which is to say not bad at all.

For Alaska hunting alone, I would pick the .375H&H over the .375 Ruger, simply because ammo for the latter is not as readily available as the former. That said, a .338-caliber rifle can't equal a .375H&H nor a .375 Ruger. All cartridges are different from one another.

But for hunting in the interior of Alaska, I would pick the .338WM over any .375H&H. Just like the .30-06 and .300WM, out of the box a .338 is lighter than a .375H&H, and will outdistance it, much like a .300WM with a 180-grain bullet will outdistance a .338WM with a 225-250-grain bullet. At the AK hunting grounds, there is a pretty good chance that you will see other hunters carrying the older cartridges such as the .30-06, .300 and .338, and the .375H&H.

And yes, there are all kinds of gun articles where supposedly new guns are the best, this and that, even new guns that still shoot the same-caliber bullets as the old guns (for example, .375H&H bullets shot out of a .375 Ruger). Advertisements go a long way relating to selling guns, and I read some of the gun writers' articles about supposedly new rifles where they go out there and kill a coyote or two, and then explain how good the new rifle is and how well it performed. No wonder gun magazines are getting thinner and thinner each day.


even in Skagway and Haines i ve seen 375 ruger factory ammo ...

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I have seen stacks of .375 Ruger in the tiny little store in Sleetmute.


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I'd go with a 375, either the Ruger or the H&H. I am on the 3rd barrel in my Mauser 375H&H and I know how well it preforms, so I have trouble going to something else.

The Ruger would be fine with me too because it's going to do what the H&H will do and so I have full faith in it, even though I have never used a 375 Ruger.

I have owned and used some 338 Winchesters and to be honest, I could not see the same level of effectiveness over a 20 year span of time as I saw with my 375, so I sold the 338s. Not a single thing wrong with them, but they just were not quite in the same league as the 375.

I have also owned two 416 Taylors I made myself. The same bullet (400 grain) at the same speed (2350 to 2400) as the original Rigby. Excellent guns and excellent cartridge, but I sold them too. For Africa they would have stayed in my possession, but I am not ever going back and so the 375 does as well on North American game as the 416 and reaches farther.

I still have a 404 Jeffery.
Why?
Just because it's very similar to one I used when I was young, and I just like it. But I don't hunt with it much.
I use the 375H&H, or just recently I have started using a 9.3X62 with perfect results also. I can't see much difference (yet) between the 375 and the 9.3 on game, but the 9.3 has a bit shorter barrel, holds 2 more rounds in the mag, weighs 1-1/2 pounds less and the recoil is about the same, which is to say not bad at all.

For Alaska hunting alone, I would pick the .375H&H over the .375 Ruger, simply because ammo for the latter is not as readily available as the former. That said, a .338-caliber rifle can't equal a .375H&H nor a .375 Ruger. All cartridges are different from one another.

But for hunting in the interior of Alaska, I would pick the .338WM over any .375H&H. Just like the .30-06 and .300WM, out of the box a .338 is lighter than a .375H&H, and will outdistance it, much like a .300WM with a 180-grain bullet will outdistance a .338WM with a 225-250-grain bullet. At the AK hunting grounds, there is a pretty good chance that you will see other hunters carrying the older cartridges such as the .30-06, .300 and .338, and the .375H&H.

And yes, there are all kinds of gun articles where supposedly new guns are the best, this and that, even new guns that still shoot the same-caliber bullets as the old guns (for example, .375H&H bullets shot out of a .375 Ruger). Advertisements go a long way relating to selling guns, and I read some of the gun writers' articles about supposedly new rifles where they go out there and kill a coyote or two, and then explain how good the new rifle is and how well it performed. No wonder gun magazines are getting thinner and thinner each day.


even in Skagway and Haines i ve seen 375 ruger factory ammo ...

Yes, you can find it in Alaska, but not as readily as ammo the .30-06, .300 and .338, and even 375H&H.

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In most of the shops I am familiar with, which includes many, the 375 Ruger is at least as prevalent as the old H&H round .
And the availability of rifles chambered for the Ruger is many times greater, and cheaper, than those offered in the H&H round !

As I predicted when the 375 Ruger was introduced, it will eventually overshadow the ancient .375 H&H round for the same reasons that the 300 Win quickly overshadowed the 300 H&H
The Ruger round has no significant ballistic or performance advantage over the H&H but it has significant commercial advantages and minor, although at times potentially significant, operational advantages.


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One of my PH buddies in South Africa, Rob Klemp, also owns a big sporting goods store in Kimberley. I did a magazine article a couple years ago about how the .375 H&H is doing in the 21st century, and as part of the research e-mailed him. He said that while African hunters still tend to prefer the H&H (both because they're traditionalists and because used rifles cost far less over there than new, imported rifles in .375 Ruger), he'd been stocking .375 Ruger ammo for a while because the demand was increasing.


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I picked the 375 Ruger Hawkeye. The most important fact was it's a left hand bolt action. If I was right handed it would have been a 375 H&H. Lots of good factory loads with good bullets. Bob

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I like the fact that my 338 Win and 375 Ruger are near identical rifle platforms. And the same could be said for my 416 Ruger, other than the barrel has less taper forward on the fore end.

I can see no reason not to like 375 H&H performance in smaller package as in the 375
The same can be said for the 416 Ruger vs the 416 Rem. The 416 Rem has a slight case capacity advantage. I do not see this as a much of a real advantage for intended purposes. It appears from African hunter reports, that both kill buffalo and elephant equally well with equal quality bullets. It appears the 416 Ruger works just fine with the non-traditional 20" barrel.

I have been enamored with the 416 Rem since it was first announced, and had a M70 in one shortly after they hit the streets. I personally think the 416 Rem matches the M70 size factory platform better than the 375 H&H. I have a stainless classic with a 22" barrel in 416 Rem, and I like it. But, for daily use I like my 416 Ruger with a 20" barrel more.

No plans to get rid of my 375 H&H's or 416 Rem's (at least the stainless ones). But, if starting now, I would only have the 375 & 416 Ruger cartridges in these calibers for hunting. Nostalgia purposes, well that is a different kettle of fish.

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I picked the 375 Ruger Hawkeye. The most important fact was it's a left hand bolt action. If I was right handed it would have been a 375 H&H. Lots of good factory loads with good bullets. Bob


i do like my alaskan left handed 375 ruger. compact and easy to handle. i do reload so factory ammo is not that important for me.

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Were I to hunt Alaska with big bears on the menu I'd take something already in my safe. 9.3x62 or a 375 H&H, 1 of the 9.3's is in a synthetic stock and a ceracoated bolt action. The 375 is a single shot. 9.3 wins and it shoots both the 250 Accubonds and the 250 tsx equally well. This armchair qb will head north in the next 2 years.


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sidepass,

IF I was headed to AK for big bears, it would be my (reformatted by JES) Model 760 in 9.3x62mm with 286 grain Privi Partizan ammo that would "make the trip". = That load is A KILLER on most anything on any continent.

A school chum of mine, from long ago, recently took a very large Nilgai bull from 200M+ with a Husky BA in that caliber, using "the Texas heart shot". Into the rump & out the neck..= One shot, GYD.

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I, as most on this forum; like different rifles and various cartridges. The ones listed in the title are some of my favorites.

For one rifle in Alaska, or anywhere else in North America with larger game and old school normal shooting distances; the 338 Winchester is my choice. It simply works very well, a bigger 30-06 in my opinion.
I use the 225 TSX in the 338 Win, but suspect the Tipped version makes this cartridge even more versatile regarding distance and wind. I have a Bunch of the non-tipped to load and shoot before I get to the tipped supply. I don't think there would any significant performance difference with 210 TTSX either.

I use the 270 grain TSX in the 375's, it works very well also. The 416's, I use the 350 grain TSX, but the TTSX version may be the better choice bullet.
The bigger bores do give me a somewhat easier feeling going through the alders, willows, and 5' tall grass. Purely psychological, but it's there.

Of the title choices, one rifle for all, then it is the 338 Winchester for me. If two rifles are in the budget, I would add a 375 or 416 in the same rifle platform. My rifles of choice are the Ruger stainless ones. Either way, a 338 Winchester would definitely be in mix.

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338 Win would be more than sufficient for all those animals. My other choice would be a 375 H&H, but that would be a little more than needed. I think a 30-06 would do well with those choices.




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sidepass,

IF I was headed to AK for big bears, it would be my (reformatted by JES) Model 760 in 9.3x62mm with 286 grain Privi Partizan ammo that would "make the trip". = That load is A KILLER on most anything on any continent.

A school chum of mine, from long ago, recently took a very large Nilgai bull from 200M+ with a Husky BA in that caliber, using "the Texas heart shot". Into the rump & out the neck..= One shot, GYD.

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Thanks, the 286 is another option. Have banged steel regularly to 600 with my 9.3 and 250 Accubonds so very comfortable with that combo.leupold CDS drives my friends crazy with that combo. They tell me the 9.3 is a 100 yard setup. 250 accubond at 2650 and a elevation turret prove otherwise.


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sidepass,

Fwiw, Otto Bock said that he designed the 9.3x62mm chambering for farmers & ranchers to use for any dangerous game in the German colonies in Africa, that was suitable to be used in a cheap, bolt-action rifle (rather than a heavy/expensive double-rifle) AND that was suitable to routinely carry upon horseback rounds of one's farm/ranch. - In point of fact, the 9.3x62 can be fired FROM the saddle, if the stockman has a well-trained mount.
(After Mauser BA appeared in the German colonies, the same round became popular in Europe for moose, reindeer, red deer & wild boar.)

Fwiw, I bought my first rifle in 9.3x62 in BRD, when I was looking for a 9.3x57mm rifle for red deer & wild boar.
(After WWII, many a Kar 98 with a rusted/pitted bore was "freshed out to 9.3" & were often CHEAP to buy & quite suitable for any European game. =====> A gunsmith in K-town said that he didn't have a rifle in that caliber but suggested that, "- - - - it's big brother might be what you are seeking.").

Imvho, the 9.3x62mm is all the rifle that I need for anything that I'll ever hunt in this life.
(I'm planning a short trip to Africa this Fall for plains game & a Cape Buffalo I won't feel "under-gunned" with my rebored Model 760..)

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I got the one that I could find in a reliable, economical, moderate weight, handy length, stainless, and left-handed rifle. That happened to be the 375 Ruger but I could be happy with any of the other chamberings in the same rifle.

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I like the 375HH, that’s what I have but a ruger guide gun in 375 ruger would be a great gun as well. I got my 375 when I moved up to AK but only hunted with it once, I just use my 30-06 on moose and a 308 for black tails, Dalls and caribou.

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sidepass,

IF I was headed to AK for big bears, it would be my (reformatted by JES) Model 760 in 9.3x62mm with 286 grain Privi Partizan ammo that would "make the trip". = That load is A KILLER on most anything on any continent.

A school chum of mine, from long ago, recently took a very large Nilgai bull from 200M+ with a Husky BA in that caliber, using "the Texas heart shot". Into the rump & out the neck..= One shot, GYD.

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Thanks, the 286 is another option. Have banged steel regularly to 600 with my 9.3 and 250 Accubonds so very comfortable with that combo.leupold CDS drives my friends crazy with that combo. They tell me the 9.3 is a 100 yard setup. 250 accubond at 2650 and a elevation turret prove otherwise.

Little bit off topic. But, This is why I went with 9.3 over 338-06 or 35 whelen.
Also, why is the 9.3 no on the list?


All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Of the three and your intended use, I say get the .338 Win. Mag. Load it full throttle with some 225 grain Barnes TTSX bullets and kill every thing in Alaska all season and every season. Do what I did long ago, find a used Mod. 70 "Stainless Clasic" and customize it. My 5 shot 8 lb. Mag na Ported beauty is the perfect Alaskan rifle.

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
I have seen stacks of .375 Ruger in the tiny little store in Sleetmute.



The trouble with stores in Alaska's hinterlands as a barometer of availability of things is that you might also see stuff like 303 Savage, 225 Winchester, 30 Remington, or 8mm Rem Mag in one place or another, but that doesn't mean, quite obviously, that they are widely used and available in remote parts. It doesn't help that one or several of these offerings is stacked right next to the only load for the 270 Win.... with a 110 SP bullet. But if the remote village has a 'chain store' like one supplied by ANICA, or Alaska Commercial (especially), then you're more likely to see more standardized ammo offerings... generally in green and yellow boxes.


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What does store availability matter in 2018? Can't you just do a one time, online order and be done?


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Not to Alaska. It’s not that easy to get ammo, powder or primers shipped up here. It’s treated as hazmat and most won’t ship here like in the lower 48.

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Hazmat applies to ammo? Who won't ship to AK?


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Not to de-rail this thread, but Midway, Mid-south, Palmetto, ect won't ship ammo, primers, or powder here. There are limits as to an amount that can be placed on a barge out of Seattle and most carriers use USPS once items get to Anchorage for final delivery. Also, I have had orders changed to drop cleaning supplies. We are treated like a foreign country by alot of places since we are not part of the contiguous United States. Free shipping here usually comes with a surcharge, but thanks Whittakers, you don't.

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Originally Posted by deflave
Hazmat applies to ammo? Who won't ship to AK?
I'm not aware of anyone that will ship powder/primers/ammo to me that is not located within the state of AK. Those within the state that will ship these items do so at a substantial markup above the already increased AK price. I don't make a living on shipping ammo/powder/primers to bush AK so someone else may need to correct me, but I'm confident I paid Hazmat on the last rimfire ammo I shipped via air freight. In addition to Hazmat charges, there are overall weight limits for air carriers for powder/primers per Hazmat shipment, something like 16 pounds total weight. It must be specifically packed and boxed in an approved box. Of course there are companies that will do this for you, but it adds to the cost quickly. Typically I package the powder/primers myself and then take them to air freight each time I visit Anchorage so as to limit the cost to the freight charge and Hazmat fee. Ammo I normally pack in my luggage, but weight limits sometimes adjust how I can best do that. There's nowhere I'd rather live, but bush AK requires additional consideration of the logistics involved in the shooting sports.


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I shipped a case of ammo to Fairbanks 10+ years ago.
Went to the UPS hub.
Marked 5 sides of the box, "ORM-D"
paid for ground.
Listed contents as Rifle Ammunition LOADED
Tracked it to AK and trail stopped.
Went to USP and they said since it was Ammunition it was held in Alaska and put back on a plane and sent back to me.
When I asked why they said because loaded ammo couldn't be shipped via AIR.
To which I said, how's it comming back....
Uh, air.
So why not just leave it in Alaska?
So, they shipped it back to the hub and when I picked It up they told me I could have it repackaged by a HAZMAT tech with UPS and resend it...


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I’ve never hunted Alaska or been to Africa, but in my mind the 375s make the most sense for an all round rifle. Legal for dangerous game in Africa and plenty for a big bear but without the recoil of some bigger rounds- not that it’s a lightweight in any way but it’s no 458 Lott behind the buttstock. If I was sticking to Alaska then I’d probably go with the 338, the 375 IMO isn’t needed unless you plan to one day take that rifle across the ocean.

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Originally Posted by JJWise
I’ve never hunted Alaska or been to Africa, but in my mind the 375s make the most sense for an all round rifle. Legal for dangerous game in Africa and plenty for a big bear but without the recoil of some bigger rounds- not that it’s a lightweight in any way but it’s no 458 Lott behind the buttstock. If I was sticking to Alaska then I’d probably go with the 338, the 375 IMO isn’t needed unless you plan to one day take that rifle across the ocean.



Very well stated. I have “zero” intention of getting rid of my .375 AI, but likely would go .338 WM if hunting Africa were off of the agenda! memtb


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375 for almost everything. I have a Ruger because it's cheaper than most H&Hs but consider them equal. I traded my old one in for a new one with a brake - what a difference - no wonder brakes are becoming so common.
Someday I will go to Africa and try my nerve on dangerous game, and I'll bring or rent a 458 Winchester African. People can make fun of me all they want.

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Originally Posted by wildchild2010
A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.


I'd find a used Ruger stainless 375Ruger with 20" bbl and the model with the bbl band swivel thingy and put it into a McMillan.

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A rifle for hunting Alaska Black Bear, Bou, Moose and of lucky to draw a Brown Bear tag one day? .375 Ruger, .375 H&H, .338 Win Mag, .416 Ruger Big Game. They have all been proven in the field and have done well and ammo is not very hard to come by on any of them.


I'd find a used Ruger stainless 375Ruger with 20" bbl and the model with the bbl band swivel thingy and put it into a McMillan.



My next rifle is going to be a Ruger Guide model in 375 Ruger. Seen them used in 300 and 338 win, but I'll likely end up buying new and drop it in a micky.


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.375 H&H.

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All are suitable, if it is for something dangerous go with the .416 if you can shoot it well. Drop the .338 and add the 9.3X62 if it is not elephant size.

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I wrote the above post before reading Phil Shoemaker's posts. I concede to all his points based on his vastly superior experience.

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A good hunter who is familiar with their rifle and chooses any of today's outstanding bullets can prettty well get by using anything they like


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Just a few thoughts ... If your looking at using this rifle purely in colder environments, there is nothing wrong with the 375R, I hunted south Africa for over 20 years and seen my fare share of cartridges that are just not comfortable in hot humid environments when loaded max. One of those was the 375R. Personally compact magnums are just not for me, although I have to agree that the 375R is an excellent calibre otherwise. Don't understand the lock up thing.... Assuming it's referring to pressure?

It's only once you have shot a well set up 375 HH, that you will understand why this calibre is so well loved. The recoil push is an authorative experience, but so satisfying in the right set up. I shot a friend's well used HH and I was never the same again.The Ruger has all the numbers, but also a fast and punishing snap. A cartridge is not just about raw power, many factors contribute to a rifle becoming a beloved favourite and this honour has been bestowed n the HH many a time in that many hunters , including my friend, hunt almost exclusively with this cartridge almost everything they persue ... Within reason and common sense.

You will be doing yourself a great injustice by not at least experiencing a well tuned HH before you make your choice

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To my knowledge the Ruger version is not loaded to any higher pressure levels than the H&H version and in fact, because it has a slightly larger case capacity, it can be loaded to the same velocity as the H&H with lower pressure .


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Porker: "... seen my fare share of cartridges that are just not comfortable in hot humid environments when loaded max. One of those was the 375R."
ANSI/SAAMI Standards Z299-4 shows the Maximum Average Pressure in psi for the 375 Ruger and 375 H&H is the same at 62,000 psi.

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Perhaps the 375R's having pressure issues in hot climates is strictly due to the powder used. I know that the chrono loves max loads of RL17 in my 375R but it's also very temperature sensitive. The factory loads or other hand loaded ammo might be using similarly sensitive powder in it much more often than the powders that have been found to run well in the H&H. But I am not worried about this in AK.

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For the game mentioned and as a hunter not a guide a 35 Whelen or 338 Win Mag would suffice nicely. As a guide with expected encounters with brown bear a 375 of some persuasion would be a good choice, but bigger is not out of the question either. All 375s move 350 grain bullets quite nicely at around 2,350 fps when a bit more close up punch is needed.

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