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I think highly of the 7mm-08 and feel like the others if I was going to get another 7 it'd be a 280AI. I do think the 7saum is one of the best "bigger" 7s because of how efficient it is. You may have already read it, but I think this is an interesting read by guys who run a lot of bullets: http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/7mm/ gotta admit that is one of the sources of info that has me so interested in the .284win and 7mm saum
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Would the 280ai be hindered by shooting longer bullets IE loosing powder capacity compared to a shorter round in a long action with the bullet set out to not hinder powder capacity.?
Thanks for all the input so far,,, The .280AI will pretty easily turn up 2900+ fps with a 162 AMAX while using roughly 60 grains of powder.
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I have a 284 Win in a ULA Model 20. 55 grains of IMR 4350 and a 140 grain Nosler Partition (I get 3000 fps) has killed many sheep, elk, caribou, and mountain goats out to 500 yards. I got a Kimber Mountain Ascent in 280 Ackley about a year or so ago. After playing around with loads I use 62 grains of H4831 SC and a 140 grain Barnes Triple Shock (I get about 3150 fps). I have used this bullet in many other rifles with good success, only shot an animalope with it this year. The 280 AI is 7 Mag performance for sure hotter than the 284 but in reality the 284 will probably due whatever the 280 Ackley will do in a hunting situation. The 284 Win loaded like I load mine will give you 280 Remington performance. Both fun cartridges. Anyways they are both pretty damn good.
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So many of these "which chambering should I choose" questions really are just a reason to knock around thoughts and converse.
The more you really look at it objectively, there's not too much difference between them unless you go to comparing chamberings like 7 RUM, .284win, 7mm-08 where there is a huge difference in case capacity, velocity, recoil etc...
There's a guy who posts here who's signature line says something like "most cartridges are far more alike than different".
Just choose one that you like. If you had all of them at once, you probably wouldn't tell the difference while shooting them in the field.
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Lets not forget the OP's range is 300-500 yards. More powder shines at more distance.
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Indeed there is no replacement for displacement. Still go 280AI 
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Lets not forget the OP's range is 300-500 yards. More powder shines at more distance. Yes I will not be shooting past 500 and on game will get as close as possible so that number will probably never be reached there, just want more umph than a 7mm-08 has at that range with heavy 7mm bullets. Yes I know there isn't alot of difference in practical applications for the ones I listed but when it comes to these three chamberings I only know what I have read and you guys know the real info from shooting them Thanks again
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Can't comment on the heavier bullets, never shot em in these two. I know the 160 grain type bullets have better ballistic coefficients that the 140s I shoot in a 7 mm caliber. With the bullets we have today I like speed for killin stuff.
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The 175 grain accubond really gets my interest,,,,,, 165 grain and up is what I'm thinking,,, what spin 7mm barrel would be recommended for such,, I'll be having the barrel made so I can be picky.
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There are quite a few resources for in-stock tubes Hint
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The 150 LR accubond or 168 LR accubond, or the 162 unicorn AMAX will likely serve you better sub 500. Extra speed and such
Check out a balliscitcs calculator and see what you think
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I've seen bull elk killed with 175s in a 7 Mag, 160s in a 280 Rem, and 140s in a 284. I'm sure those 175 Accubonds would work just fine.
Or any of the bullets George just listed.
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See that's why I ask here,, you guys know your stuff......
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I know it's not on the list and I'm certainly biased, but if you want to run a 175 the Mashburn should be mentioned. You should be able to run it at 3k easy (165s will go 3,200).
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From your list my favorite is the 280AI. But I would also consider the .257 Wby, 6.5/284, 6.5-06AI and the .264 Win. all lighter recoil and worthy to well past what your considering. The downside is barrel life with the 6.5-06AI maybe doing better in that department than the others. The 280 AI covers these others with 120s @ 3,300 & 160s @ 2950 fps, not as flat shooting but good to 300 with no holdover.
Not sure about barrel life on the .280 AI but should be as good or better than the 7RM maybe significantly better. I'll know in a couple 1,000 more rounds.
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If you can't get it done out to 500 yds with a 708 something is very seriously wrong.
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Stay with 7-08. If you want to "individualize" a rifle, ream a 7-08 to AI and call it good.
If you were going to 1000, then I could see some benefit to 7SAUM or .280AI, but for 500 and in, there'll be very little practical difference.
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*Shrug* True, but I built a 280AI anyway. If for nothing else than to give the 7-08's some company. Guess I believe in redundancy 
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If building another rifle is the objective, then long throat a 7RM and call it good 
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