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I'm glad this wound down!!
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I actually like these threads.
This is how you learn things, even if it's minutiae. The only thing in this thread I'm thankful for is that with multiple Weatherby rifles and chamberings I've only had one that shot bad and it is a Winchester M70 of all things in .300.
Maybe if it was a 7 in M700 I wouldn't have that problem.
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I've learned a lot about internal ballistics that I never knew. Threads like this are great if people stay civil and discuss matters.
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3-4g
the difference between a 7RM and a 7WB the difference betwixt a 7WB and Mashburn
Imagine what that same 3-4g capacity increase could do in the smaller 280 case.....:)
I guess you don't have to imagine it if you have a Nosler book...have a 7RM and a 7WB throated same with Nosler 140BTs, both with Douglas SS tubes. Have never owned a real WB but the advantage for these two goes to the WB.
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In my Remington factory 7 Mag, 66g of IMR 4350, Rem case, 9 1/2 primer velocity on a 140g Accubond is 3250, with tiny groups. I don't have pressure issues on this load either.
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Here is something I'll add.
After shooting a couple of deer with the 145 LRX in the Mashburn I'm bored. So I loaded up some 150 Ballistic tips and went to the range. Low and behold with 73 grains of IMR 7828 I'm getting nice triangular 1/2" groups at 3151 fps. Drat that is way to slow. Or is it? Trajectory is within an inch to an inch and a half of that 145 LRX load at 3250 out to 500 yds. Big deal. So now I have a load that I know is breathing easy. Easier than any 7mm Rem Mag and it's in a better case design to boot. Interesting stuff. The 150 Ballistic Tip has proven to be very accurate in my factory 24" 7 Rem Mag also. 63 grs of H4350 gives me just over 3100 avg. And a 160 Accubond pushed with 70 grs of Rel 25 has the same point of impact at 327 yards. I haven't chronyed this load yet.
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Hey Keith: Did you put a dozen on the pole this year?
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I'm done with this thread. I may have missed it, but did you ever do any more confirmation of the BC's?
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Good question Smoke,
I saw where scenar said the claimed BC for 129 Gr. 6.5 came up well short in the testing he did.
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Just as to my own data, I recently shot several 7mm Wby rounds out of my Wby Ultralight Weight through my ProChrono, and I fell in love again with CorBon:
7MM WBY: Nosler Custom 160gr AB (26� barrel) (mfr: 3050 fps) 2,911 fps 2,936 fps 2,917 fps 2,943 fps 2,930 fps 2,936 fps 2,931 fps AVG: 2,929 fps FPE: 3,048 ft-lbs
7MM WBY: Weatherby 160gr AB (26� barrel) (mfr: 3050 fps) 2917 fps 2962 fps 2930 fps AVG: 2,936 fps FPE: 3,063 ft-lbs
7MM WBY: Weatherby 140gr TSX (26� barrel) (mfr: 3250 fps) 3079 fps 3137 fps 3167 fps 3182 fps AVG: 3,141 fps FPE: 3,067 ft-lbs
7MM WBY � CORBON 160gr TSX (26� barrel) (mfr: 3200 fps) 3,252 fps 3,228 fps 3,244 fps 3,228 fps AVG: 3,238 fps FPE: 3,725 ft-lbs
This is consistent with my chrono�s reception of CorBon .340 Wby rounds:
.340 WBY: CorBon 225gr TTSX (26� barrel) (mfr: 3100 fps) 3159 fps 3161 fps 3149 fps 3182 fps
CB is the only ammo I have found that consistently shoots above the specs. The Nosler Ammo in 7mm Wby, .340 Wby, and .375 Wby is however very consistent and accurate.
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Just wanted to add,-
I knew JB was a smart fella but damn... I've learned a lot from this thread.
I also respect the heck out of Bob's opinion on just about anything and can certainly see both sides of the issue.
The info in this thread is what makes this place worth visiting and I'm glad we have folks like John & Bob.
what they know about rifles & cartridges would take a lifetime to learn and I'm way too lazy, so it's nice to cheat off 'em.
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Good question Smoke,
I saw where scenar said the claimed BC for 129 Gr. 6.5 came up well short in the testing he did.
Maybe SU will see this and chime back in......
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Rembo:
"Interesting stuff.
The 150 Ballistic Tip has proven to be very accurate in my factory 24" 7 Rem Mag also.
63 grs of H4350 gives me just over 3100 avg.
And a 160 Accubond pushed with 70 grs of Rel 25 has the same point of impact at 327 yards.
I haven't chronyed this load yet"
Typical loads for most of the Rem 700's that I have owned. The Win mag primer with the R#25 shrunk the groups to less than 1/2", velocity is shocking, primer pockets in Rem brass don't last long.
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Good question Smoke,
I saw where scenar said the claimed BC for 129 Gr. 6.5 came up well short in the testing he did.
Maybe SU will see this and chime back in...... The BC's work spot on for me and I just tested them out to 1,200 yds.
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Thanks. You didn't by chance test the 7 mm 150's, did you?
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The BC's work spot on for me and I just tested them out to 1,200 yds.
G1 or G7? Thanks!
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G1
Have not developed the 150's yet.
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