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This guy shouldnt be allowed to carry a cap gun and his fine upstanding fellow officers telling him "you done what you had to do" arent any better... POS's

http://bearingarms.com/innocent-man-down-a-law-enforcement-training-failure/

Well, at least it wasn't a busy street with cars driving by or anything like that.

That's a tough one.

Yep, the cop culture (reflected in their training nowadays) is that the cop's survival is the paramount consideration, therefore in applying lethal force they are taught not to hesitate once they sense any level of threat. That absence of hesitation is getting innocent folks killed.

Risk is part of the job of being a cop. The problems is their effort in training to remove risk. Since it can't actually be removed, being an unavoidable aspect of the job, the way they accomplish making the job less risky for the cops is by shifting the unavoidable risk to the public at large by shooting first and asking questions later.

Terrible

Yea he really "did what he had to do" didn,t he ?
Just because he didn,t bow to the officers Authority(if he even heard the officer)is not reason to be shot.
Yes the old man reached for something BUT it was not pointed at the officer ,nor was it identified as a weapon .
Officer just took it upon himself (whether out of fear or training)to start ripping off shots .
Bad situation for both ,especially The old man and his wife.

This is a hard one.

On one hand I can hear the officer weeping, and telling the others what happened or he thought happened. And I believe the officer was sincere. I don't for one second think he just wanted to shoot an old man, or was on a power trip.

There are plenty of bad cops, bad cop videos, etc. They're scum should be culled, not just fired.

This particular officer had a split second, at night to react to what looked to be some sort of long gun being grabbed from the truck bed. The old feller driving the truck made a very, very bad decision doing what he did. Bad, bad deal, but this cop is not one of the bad guys, at least in this particular incident.

Save the bashing for those who truly deserve it. Jumping on this one helps the cause of the bad ones. Burn them down, every time, not those who don't deserve it.

No, but he was cowardly. That's the training now, to be scared shi tless of regular folks. They train on courses where ordinary people (toddling old men, mothers with young children, etc.) suddenly pull a gun and shoot, whereas they used to train to shoot classic "bad guy" images pointing a gun at them.

'Ironically, the only gun control in 19th century England was the policy forbidding police to have arms while on duty.' ~ Don B. Kates, Jr.


We are a frustrating species! While we are the only one known with the ability to record and convey the lessons that we learn from our errors so that we might avoid repeating them. We still insist on wasting great blood and treasure on the same errors.

Yeah, the last range day I scored several shots on an old man silhouette, couple on a lady, and one head shot on a child silhouette.

Give me a break. Where exactly do you get your vast knowledge of law enforcement training? Seriously. I want to know.

Well trained, then, given modern cop targets.

They have interactive "shoot - don't shoot" real time computer simulators now that they train on. I've seen them in action. They present the cop with all sorts of situations where people you'd never expect to pull a gun suddenly do, and the cop scores by shooting these folks before they get off a shot.

Yep, grabbing his cane so he could stand up, did him in. All old men should die that way.

The company can call itself whatever it wants, but I defy you to come to this area and find a target even remotely resembling those. Plan on a long stay......

'Hawk, what agency was running your theoretical simulator. I ran through a full day last year on the new Sim Primex installed (note: they're an insurance carrier for municipalities, to my knowledge there isn't an agency around that has their own) . As near as I can figure, they programmed it do the "bad guy" was as sterotypical a BG as you could imagine. Curious where the one you "observed" was.

Our school districts down here have Law Enforcement Academies for high school students wishing to prepare for a career in law enforcement. They are taught by teachers who are active cops who present them with all the latest training. I've seen them use the simulator.

Had to know the dove eye would be all over this thread....like a moth to a flame...

Okay, so no agency of note. They exist in your AO though and you folks are allowing these (according to you) reprehensible scenarios to be brought in front of students. I would think parents would be up in arms. Surely you said something!

Or did you?

Sounds like your area has the cops it wants.......or the story is different than presented.

the dove eye instigates....

The parents are all proud of these kids, and the program. They have regular tournaments where they compete against other academies and bring home trophies. Parents are involved.