Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles 300 WSM load data for 168 or 165 tsx

Tony sure haven't... been contemplating it. Have you?

I've used Ramshot Hunter but get obscene ES's.

If this was true, can you pull out some of your engineering wisdom from your arse and tell me exactly how much powder space you'ld gain by shaving off 3 freekin' grains?

On the .308 thread in the Gunwriters forum, you tell us how the 168 TSX isn't designed for velocities above 2800fps, then here you say the 165 was designed differently for the WSM, yet it keeps the expansion qualities of the 168?
That doesn't compute Lee!

Here's the email response I received from Ty Herring of Barnes when I asked about the differences between the 165 and 168 when being used in a .300 SAUM.

"The current 165gr and 168gr TSX bullets have slightly different ogives. The
new .308 cal 165gr TSX has been changed substantially to a Tangent ogive and
it�s current BC is .380, while the 168gr TSX has our Match Grade ogive and
has a BC value of .404�
"Inside 350yds I don�t think you�ll see any real trajectory differences. You might find that your rifle will shoot one more accurately than another. Hard to say which one until you try them. My favorite is the 168gr bullet."

Notice no mention of my using them out of their design parameters (above 2800fps), or that the 165 was intended for the short action cartridge.

Lee, you may be able to bull schit some people, but you might as well stop here.

Thanks for the info guys. Looks like I will try RL 22 as per Stick's advice and H 4350 as per Brad's advice and see what shoots the best.

As per Lee's advice, I am a bit torn, I can't decide if I should put my weenier in a meat grinder or hit myself in the head with a brick <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> You ask a simple question about what loads work well with 165 or 168 grain tsx's and get a dissertation about metallurgy. Intersting info..............................................I think

Like watching one of Jerry's Kids,in a NASCAR Qualifying Trial.

Lotsa smoke and [bleep] hittin' the wall!.....................(grin)

That is so not PC, but damn I have a funny visual in my mind!!!! I can just see one of those little guys flying around the track with his head hanging out the window screaming, "Hey Yeeerie look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeee" I know, I am going to hell for that one, but Stick started it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That's why they have peel away skins,on the windows. For drool removal.

See you in Hell...................(grin)

TFF!!!!!

That's just wrong! ... Funny as hell, but wrong! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

High Country, Ive tried Magpro in my 300 WSM, a no go for me, dont waste your money.

I have had the best results in accuracy and velocity with Hunter. I see where Brad had some bad es, that has not been my experience though.

Out of a 23" tube I'm getting 3,060 with a 168 TSX.

Brad,

Well, I have a 300WSM enroute, should have it by this weekend.

I am planning on trying Magpro in it as it worked great in my 270WSM.

I'll post results when I try it .

Tony.

SU35,

I don't have any hunter to try.....think I'll try what "Stick suggested in RL22 and also try H4350 as I have both.

And, of course Magpro..........

I am with Poot, after reading this thread, might as well just slash my wrists and get it over with !!!!!

"Stick, LMAO on that one !!!!

Tony

Ty Herring of Barnes said the same thing he told me the last time we spoke. Apparently, you avoided asking him about the intended impact velocity.

You don't seem to understand that a design parameter of 2,800 fps IMPACT VELOCITY is not the same as 3,200 fps muzzle velocity. A .30-30 will do the job point blank. A high BC bullet at 3,000 fps is for shots at longer ranges, where the impact velocity is 2,300 to 2,700 fps.

If you do some calculations, or actually go shoot at ranges from 100 to 600 yards, you will see that the TSX has no trajectory advantage over ordinary cheap factory bullets until you get to around 500 yards. At that point, the vaunted toughness of the TSX becomes irrelevant, because the impact velocity is low enough for most bullets to retain over 90% of their weight and have good penetration.

If the TSX shoots more accurately in your rifle, that is the only real reason to shoot it.

Go to the 'Nanner Peel Thread and open your eyes.

WTF are you smoking?...................

I don't know, but it has got to be incredible <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I think he'd be answering quicker but me thinks he has a big time case of the munchies....among other things like a severe case of cranial anal submersion.

Mark D

HAAAA!!!! I bet the keys on his keyboard are bright orange from eating copious amounts of Cheetos

I gotta find a way to archive these . . . . . .

Classic Stick, just CLASSIC.

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BMT

Back to the original question, I loaded 67 gr of H4350 for just over 3100 fps with a CCI 250 primer and WW case.

Poot,
You might give magpro a try I did as a last resort and the gun LOVES it. 78 gr with the 168tsx @ 3100 ish. shoot in the .5 for 5 rounds @100yrd.
good luck

Lee24 I talked to TY today and all I can say is your full of bs.

Lee,

Step away from the crack pipe!


If you actually hunted, you'ld know that you can't pick where an animal steps out. It could be 400 yards or it could be 40. What's better? Have a .300 mag on your shoulder while carrying a .30-30 for close shots or just use one rifle with a bullet that will cover all situations? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />