Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Missoula, MT shooting & the Castle Doctrine

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/teen-shot-killed-mans-garage-germany-23500791

Not sure how leaving a purse in a garage is "baiting," but it will be interesting to see how shooting at a sound in a garage will play out.

Sounds like a successful reconnaisance by fire.




".......he did not see anyone in the darkened garage and did not communicate with anyone before sweeping the garage with four shotgun blasts........."

It's interesting I think if he had kept his mouth shut when getting a hair cut none of this would be in question. I almost think he was wrong but I don't know all the details. Of course missoula is the liberal epicenter of the state.

Good thing a cop didn't shoot the burglar, or it'd be another bash the police thread here on the freakshow.

Looks like his pals in Hamburg are sad.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/german-soccer-club-mourns-teammate-slain-montana-n95181

From the pic it looks like the kid has some Turkish roots.

Another waste of a young life. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

There's a "back Story" to this one.

dunno' if we'll ever hear it, but gut tells me these two KNEW one another,...or that the previous B&Es were not just about property and standard burglary fare.

Sure as hell, everybody involved was in the wrong place at the right time.

GTC

It does work sometimes don't it?

So takin' other folks' stuff came naturally to him.

sounds like a bad deal but the details say he was somewhere on private property he wasn't wanted. no word on violence or trying to break in. I highly doubt someone said "hey look this guy just stepped on my land, I'm gonna pop him."

if there is more to the story then the guy probably knew he shouldn't have been there. sad either way.

Maybe Kaarma's Armenian.
......think about that for a moment.

GTC

Only and idiot fires through a wall without identifying their target. What if it had been his wife, child or relative? Furthermore, it's pretty hard to claim self defense when you can't even see the person threatening your life and they can't see you.

Just ask the "Blade Runner".

Ernie

homeowner was in the wrong. in multiple ways.

This will probably lead to repeal of the Castle Doctrine which is fairly new.

Actually that is sorta what the shooter said days before the shooting.

"In addition, a hair stylist told police that during an appointment a few days earlier, Kaarma talked about staying up nights trying to catch a would-be burglar.

�I�m just waiting to shoot some (expletive) kid,� Kaarma allegedly told stylists at the Missoula salon".

Why? It doesn't look like the castle doctrine applies -- unless he is acquitted. I find that unlikely due to his discussion with the hairdresser. That's shows intent.

more liberal than Bozeman? shudder to think that.

If he fully intended to kill the kids, he's in deep trouble. It makes it no longer a case of self defense, and castle doctrine, or pretty much any other laws related to the use of lethal force are gone; he's out there in the wind.

And for what? A few credit cards and cell phones? Worth MAYBE a couple grand at best. Won't even cover the retainer on an attorney, not to mention the wrongful death civil suit. This guy was a first class idiot; and probably a murderer.

I am beginning to think the back story might smell "fishy".
Kaarma and his common law wife? think maybe the kid was after something other than credit cards.

Good God, where did she get those spandex pants?

They sure don't flatter her, all the sand has shifted to the bottom!