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Why?


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Why? Are you kidding me?


My high school education is failing me when it comes to figuring that load of BS.

A number line? WTF is that and what does it have to do with solving 427 - 316 ?

Is this an example of the methodology used in CC?

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from the little I've been exposed to it "new" math is one of the most asinine things to come down the pike out of our education system.

don't know whether it's CC driven or not

but it's just plain stupid

and in my kid's instance no accompanying text was available to send home so I could follow along and try to figure out what they were teaching

tis why I said F it and taught him to do basic math the way I'd been taught

it's served me pretty well these last 50 years or so

personally I think it's part of the bureaucracy BS that goes on in PE these days. Some pointy headed azzholes get paid to get together and try and complicate something as simple as basic math.


geezus I'm glad my kids are about done with formal education.


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In re the video, 40 minutes well spent. Particularly starting at about 33 minutes.


The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh

Which explains a lot.
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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
from the little I've been exposed to it "new" math is one of the most asinine things to come down the pike out of our education system.

don't know whether it's CC driven or not

but it's just plain stupid

and in my kid's instance no accompanying text was available to send home so I could follow along and try to figure out what they were teaching


No text either? Same with my daughter.

Really odd they have no books to take home, just a worksheet without examples, and some arcane method for solving problems that has to be used, is explained in class only, and it's suggested the kids ask teachers before consulting parents for help.

Glad I'm not the only one that's had this issue. Maybe it's not the aforementioned "bad teacher" and something else entirely.

CC, for example.

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A number line? WTF is that and what does it have to do with solving 427 - 316 ?

Is this an example of the methodology used in CC?


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RWE,

Thanks. That at least gives me an inkling into the frustration you're experiencing with your daughter's education.

It's mind boggling that they can take something so simple and logical and then complicate it with meaningless gobbledygook.

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Here's commie core...

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Originally Posted by sse
Here's commie core...

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OK CC fans - get the drift? Content and method. Line up and pay your homage.


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OK. It took a little bit of innanet searching to figure out the number line thingy.

I think I got it ... maybe.

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WTF! Is this how they teach math nowadays?

That's seven "jump" steps where only three are required.

5 - 4
7 - 2
3 - 1

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No wonder education is such a mess.

Oh ... and the commie core example is pure socialism. mad

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Try that mess with pi minus sqrt(2). grin

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Originally Posted by sse
Here's commie core...

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Dammit! Ranger1 said there was no liberal ideology in common core. Quit posting your lies!

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I searched google images and came up with these gems ...

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Wow! I must live/work in the most unique place in the world! I have never seen one single piece of work like any of those that you've found on the internet, while actually working in a school and dealing with administrators and teachers from dozens of others. Could it be that what you are seeing is an example of what I have described from the beginning? A piece of district specific work that reflects a very irresponsible political agenda?????? Or perhaps I've been lying to all of you this whole time and there really is a liberal plot afoot. It really is kind of sad when people of any political stripe refuse to see reality because they insist on holding their point of view regardless of the facts. As far as the math examples go, yes, those examples are ridiculous... And district specific. None of that is mandated.

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Originally Posted by benchman
The biggest problem I see with performance based funding, is that it depends on the one cog in the machine that does not care one whit about funding - the kids. I work with a lot of kids, and there are many good students who will succeed no matter WHAT the latest and greatest learning strategy is. This is where these stupendous ideas are tested. There are also a lot of kids that don't give a crap, and will not work. They do NOTHING. Seems to me, all this is designed to make it look like they are doing something, despite their best efforts...Bottom line, the kids simply MUST do the work, and a lot of them will not. The result will be exactly what the powers that be are trying to avoid - the schools that do not succeed will be the same schools that do not succeed now. It is the kids/parents that won't do the work necessary to succeed who will make it fail.


I agree completely! Trouble is that, at least for the present, we are stuck with performance based funding. Bearing this in mind, CC is an improvement over NCLB. There are certainly schools that have taken the opportunity to pervert CC into a means of pushing a liberal agenda. There are also schools that are poorly run, that just don't know where to go with it and they are complicating and confusing their curricula in an effort to comply with CC. The CC curricular guidelines are confusing and overcomplicated, of that there is no doubt. My point here is that CC is only as bad as your district decides to make it. The mandate itself is far from perfect, but not a commie plot, nor a specific guide to teaching things in as complicated a manner as possible.

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Originally Posted by mathman
Try that mess with pi minus sqrt(2). grin

Now that would be irrational i imaginary. laugh



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Originally Posted by ranger1
As far as the math examples go, yes, those examples are ridiculous... And district specific. None of that is mandated.


Hardly "common" then...

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My wife has a Masters and has been in education for 23 years. CC is far more than "simply a baseline",it also involves significant data collection on every student to be tracked from K thru college.
Math ....it's not the answer it's the steps used, same with division . A right answer is wrong without the "steps" and a wrong answer is right with the "steps". Why does my daughter need to know 4 different ways to multiply in a 7 day timeframe ?
If you think it's just a baseline ... it's also tied in to "AGENDA 21". Research this .


That's exactly right! If the answer is right it doesn't make a dam how it was derived as long as the end result was met correctly. That's what's wrong with the whole country weirdo over educated idiots over complicating something simple. Math is such an important skill that it should be taught more than one way and once the child finds the way that works best for them, let'em run with it. Common core, not so common=common sense, not so common either, that's where most of the problems with common core is.


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No problem here in the Hoosier state. Our legislature passed a measure that Common Core will not be taught within our borders. But then, the Liberals in DC will get around to withholding transportation funds until we bow down and ask for forgiveness.


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ranger1 - I predict that, if you persist in seeking justification for your belief that resistance to CC mainly comes from extreme types who see CC as a "commie plot", you may eventually get evidence sufficient to your need. However, it will take a lot of time/effort and your proofs of that theory are likley to be unimpressive to people who understand the situation by virtue of their long and deep experience with the issues involved.

The school situation where you are involved very well may have a sensible and workable means to implement its ideas and achieve its goals within the scope of CC "requirements". If so, great. However, any educated person knows that you cannot extrapolate from that specific and isolated situation to the immense whole of CC issues.

Likewise, the whole of CC will never be justified or validated because some excellent school district somewhere provided great programs within its scope. The devil is in the details.

The idea that school ratings/funding sensibly and fairly can be based on some "standardized" testing array in a political unit (state?) is ludicrous to anyone who knows the actual (not hypothetical) educational territory. That entire mess is a political/bureacratic disingenuous and crude tool designed to deal with political issues - playing on ignorance and misguided perceptions. That is a desired political end - and CC is one means to it. Does the end justify the means?

There is no better example of the the need for effective public school education than the above.

You seem like an earnest individual - stay with it - you will get the drift.


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Ranger1, here is a concrete reply to what you were asking.



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