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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
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From what I hear, there are no seats in a bus where there isn't a tall soft seat back in front of you now, for that reason. Not that it 'll do a damn thing for a rollover..... but impact wise its supposed to be about the same. At least thats what I�ve heard.
..... why do the cycle guys get off free?


I�ve heard the idea that �bodies-as-projectiles� is one of the big concerns in a rapid deceleration (impact). Even a 50 pound body free to move around at 30 mph, when everything else has slowed dramatically, is a force to be reckoned with. High school-bus seats - as well as the significantly greater mass of the larger vehicle, mean that those bodies are less likely to fly around so much. Motorcycle riders probably have better survival chances if they can get free from their wreck; their odds simply aren�t very good when you think about it.


Free from the cycle is good with me. But no helmet is the same as no belt IMHO, and IMHO may even be worse.

I've seen heads hit asphalt too many times. You pick up the body, and then scoop what was in the cranium up and drop it inside the body bag with the body best you can.


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Originally Posted by sherp
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Why don't school buses have seat belts...?

About twenty five million kids ride the school bus every day in our country, and nearly all of them are making the trip without a seat belt.

We�re required to wear seat belts in our cars, but why aren�t there seat belts in school buses...to protect the children...?
That's always perplexed me, as well.


From what I hear, there are no seats in a bus where there isn't a tall soft seat back in front of you now, for that reason. Not that it 'll do a damn thing for a rollover..... but impact wise its supposed to be about the same. At least thats what I've heard.

Still can't go the chit when I have to wear a belt, which I do unless I"m in a fire engine and the damn belt is too short to go around me with all my gear on plus SCBA gear.... go figure... but I wear em other than that, why do the cycle guys get off free?
I actually have yet to see a good cycle wreck without a helmet either. Always been head trauma and most of them dead or dying as I get there.


Don't think there have been any cars produced since the late 1960s/early 1970s that didn't have front seats without tall, soft seat backs.

Don't know if the guy on a radio show I was listening to was kidding or not, but allegedly the state he was calling from had tried to mandate seat belts on motorcycles. Sounds reasonable to me.


I have not seen a car with a front seat that was as tall and solid and blocking as a bus seat yet. I have seen around and over every seat when I've been in the cars. Yet for kids in a bus, I find the only way they can see is out a window or into an aisle. Still, all in all, one wonders why the "people" we often do ANYTHING for, to save just one, and so on, do not wear belts in a bus even...


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How much do you think medical expenses from injuries do to not wearing a seatbelt cost Taxpayers as well as affect your insurance premiums?


This rationalization is the most slippery slope of all and its logical conclusion is socialism.

Not intended to pick on you gitem, but there it is.


Yes, and the slope is greased; it is impossible to crawl back up it. Politicians inevitably expand government while limiting individual freedom by Rules, Regulations, and Restrictions. I doubt one in ten understand the significance of what they do.


Gitem states one very good reason on how seat belt laws save everyone money on insurance premiums and that is because of the "uninsured motorist pool" that we all pay for dickheads that drive w/o insurance. Case in point. I was driving to work one day on an interstate hwy and traffic stopped suddenly and I rear ended and car with three people who were injured and I totaled their car as I was driving a Dodge Durango. The driver of the other vehicle was driving a brand new car but didn't have insurance. My insurance agent advised me not to worry because here in NJ they have a MV law they call " The no pay, the no play law" and she and her passengers would receive nothing for their injuries and no reimbursement for totaled car. The driver even went so far as to hire a lawyer to go after me personally and the lawyer wouldn't take the case due to this NJ law for uninsured drivers.

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Yep on the helmet deal. Quite frankly, I don�t know where the line is when it comes to statutes. I try to consider what other countries do in terms of �nothing� when I look at questions such as this. Nepal seems to have very liberal rules - or lack of them - as it applies to traffic. I�m not sure that�s a better thing though.


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[quote=rost495I have not seen a car with a front seat that was as tall and solid and blocking as a bus seat yet. I have seen around and over every seat when I've been in the cars. Yet for kids in a bus, I find the only way they can see is out a window or into an aisle. [/quote]


I couldn't see out a window of post 1970 passenger cars when seated in the back seat other than by looking out the side window or in between the front seats up to about age 12 either.

http://www.ncbussafety.org/seatbelts.html

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/safedrivers-childsafety-stage4-seat-belts-1087.htm


Not really seeing any differences in seat back heights of buses versus passenger vehicles in those images and tend to guess if a seat back fails due to impact then seat belts are going to have minimal effect on the outcome as well.


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Protecting us unwashed masses from ourselves. And we actually pay taxes for such nonsense. I wonder how much training is required to generate revenue from people who don't wear, or forget to wear a seatbelt.

Well at least it keeps all the rest of us safe from those dangerous criminals who won't wear a seatbelt. (Though I've never figured out exactly how that works.)


How mugh do you think medical expenses from injuries do to not wearing a seatbelt cost Taxpayers as well as affect your insurance premiums?


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Simple solution. No taxpayer-funded ER treatment for folks in car crashes without seatbelts or helmets on. Either I fund it out of my own pocket, or my insurance, or the collection agency puts me on a payment plan. But don't protect me from myself with paternalistic laws.


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Not really seeing any differences in seat back heights of buses versus passenger vehicles in those images and tend to guess if a seat back fails due to impact then seat belts are going to have minimal effect on the outcome as well.


School bus seats are much more confining than most passenger cars as well as more solidly constructed. More importantly, a bus, because of its greater mass, will rarely decelerate (stop) as quickly as a passenger car which means the contents (passengers) will not have as much disparity in momentum.


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Protecting us unwashed masses from ourselves. And we actually pay taxes for such nonsense. I wonder how much training is required to generate revenue from people who don't wear, or forget to wear a seatbelt.

Well at least it keeps all the rest of us safe from those dangerous criminals who won't wear a seatbelt. (Though I've never figured out exactly how that works.)


How mugh do you think medical expenses from injuries do to not wearing a seatbelt cost Taxpayers as well as affect your insurance premiums?


P.S, you're welcome. And yes. It was overtime for me


Simple solution. No taxpayer-funded ER treatment for folks in car crashes without seatbelts or helmets on. Either I fund it out of my own pocket, or my insurance, or the collection agency puts me on a payment plan. But don't protect me from myself with paternalistic laws.


Sounds great. Keep up advised as to when those laws get changed as I look forward to lower insurance premiums.

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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
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Not really seeing any differences in seat back heights of buses versus passenger vehicles in those images and tend to guess if a seat back fails due to impact then seat belts are going to have minimal effect on the outcome as well.


School bus seats are much more confining than most passenger cars as well as more solidly constructed. More importantly, a bus, because of its greater mass, will rarely decelerate (stop) as quickly as a passenger car which means the contents (passengers) will not have as much disparity in momentum.



How exactly is a school bus seat "more confining"? They are open benches.

How does "more solidly constructed" make things better on the object striking it?

Don't think I have ever heard increased stopping distance listed as a positive in passenger safety either.

Could you explain why the strobe light on top of the bus(impairing the vision of any drivers near the bus) is a good idea?


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Originally Posted by RDFinn
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Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by snubbie
Protecting us unwashed masses from ourselves. And we actually pay taxes for such nonsense. I wonder how much training is required to generate revenue from people who don't wear, or forget to wear a seatbelt.

Well at least it keeps all the rest of us safe from those dangerous criminals who won't wear a seatbelt. (Though I've never figured out exactly how that works.)


How mugh do you think medical expenses from injuries do to not wearing a seatbelt cost Taxpayers as well as affect your insurance premiums?


P.S, you're welcome. And yes. It was overtime for me


Simple solution. No taxpayer-funded ER treatment for folks in car crashes without seatbelts or helmets on. Either I fund it out of my own pocket, or my insurance, or the collection agency puts me on a payment plan. But don't protect me from myself with paternalistic laws.


Sounds great. Keep up advised as to when those laws get changed as I look forward to lower insurance premiums.


I wish!!! Unfortunately our nanny state will continue with its ill-fated obsession to protect me from myself, despite my absence of a request to do so...I'm afraid we're stuck with these crappy laws. On a state level however, Wyoming or Utah could probably pull it off smile


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Motorcycle riders probably have better survival chances if they can get free from their wreck; their odds simply aren�t very good when you think about it.
Then it makes zero sense to permit folks to drive motorcycles if car drivers have to wear seat belts.

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Originally Posted by sherp
[quote=rost495I have not seen a car with a front seat that was as tall and solid and blocking as a bus seat yet. I have seen around and over every seat when I've been in the cars. Yet for kids in a bus, I find the only way they can see is out a window or into an aisle.



I couldn't see out a window of post 1970 passenger cars when seated in the back seat other than by looking out the side window or in between the front seats up to about age 12 either.

http://www.ncbussafety.org/seatbelts.html

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/safedrivers-childsafety-stage4-seat-belts-1087.htm


Not really seeing any differences in seat back heights of buses versus passenger vehicles in those images and tend to guess if a seat back fails due to impact then seat belts are going to have minimal effect on the outcome as well. [/quote]

Guess we never really had bench front seats in our vehicles.... was always a way to see out the front....


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Originally Posted by conchworker
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by snubbie
Protecting us unwashed masses from ourselves. And we actually pay taxes for such nonsense. I wonder how much training is required to generate revenue from people who don't wear, or forget to wear a seatbelt.

Well at least it keeps all the rest of us safe from those dangerous criminals who won't wear a seatbelt. (Though I've never figured out exactly how that works.)


How mugh do you think medical expenses from injuries do to not wearing a seatbelt cost Taxpayers as well as affect your insurance premiums?


P.S, you're welcome. And yes. It was overtime for me


Simple solution. No taxpayer-funded ER treatment for folks in car crashes without seatbelts or helmets on. Either I fund it out of my own pocket, or my insurance, or the collection agency puts me on a payment plan. But don't protect me from myself with paternalistic laws.


I like this for a lot of reasons. Wish it would apply in various similar situations also.

I'd have to find new work but for the freedom folks would get, would be no big deal to me to find different work.


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Originally Posted by rost495

Guess we never really had bench front seats in our vehicles.... was always a way to see out the front....


Come to think of it, most of the cars I can recall riding in as a child did have bench front seats so there was not even any leaning to the middle to look out the front. One of the few I can recall riding in with bucket seats prior to about age 12 was a 197? Firebird. Seated properly behind either of the front seats without leaning to the middle and it was an exciting view of the seat backs so I spent as much time as possible(curtailed either by getting caught not seated properly it or just from the sheer lack of comfort) sitting on the tunnel that divided the rear seats for a better view.


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But as a regular Joe few things irk me more that the "CLICK IT OR TICKET" posters featuring stern looking Cops in shades staring hard. About the worst PR campaign you could possibly imagine.

Birdwatcher


Yeah...TxDOT does those.


Perhaps your employer will take some of that 'click-it-or-stick-it-to-the-taxpayer' additional revenue.......to actually deposit in those empty public pension accounts.

Yea, probably not.



My employer doesn't get any of it and the problems of which you speak are indigenous to you blue States.


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
But as a regular Joe few things irk me more that the "CLICK IT OR TICKET" posters featuring stern looking Cops in shades staring hard. About the worst PR campaign you could possibly imagine.

Birdwatcher


Yeah...TxDOT does those.


Perhaps your employer will take some of that 'click-it-or-stick-it-to-the-taxpayer' additional revenue.......to actually deposit in those empty public pension accounts.

Yea, probably not.



My employer doesn't get any of it the problems of which you speak are indigenous to you blue States.


One time on I35 through Austin I passed one of them mean-Cops-in-shades "CLICK IT OR TICKET" billboards and I actually reached over, undid my seatbelt, and flipped the poster the bird.

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
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Perhaps your employer will take some of that 'click-it-or-stick-it-to-the-taxpayer' additional revenue.......to actually deposit in those empty public pension accounts.

Yea, probably not.



My employer doesn't get any of it


So where does the money from tickets written by Texas agencies go to?


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90% to the State and 10% to the court of venue.


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90% to the State and 10% to the court of venue.


You do realize how ridiculous you look.....right?


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