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I was looking for info on the Blackout. A first time elk hunter enomoured with the tactical world needs a little guidance. Sorry. The posts claiming I dislike ARs for hunting ticked me off. mtmuley
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To be honest, I don't really care that it ticked you off. The statement you made came off as ignorant and holier than thou. Now, whether or not thats the way it was meant, I have no clue.
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how about I tell him about cartridges I know about that folks have killed elk with for years. Going with what you KNOW would be a great place to start. Instead, it seems you'd already decided his choice is inadequate. You just wanted some guys on the internet to back up what you were thinking. The same internet that has him so impressed with the cartridge. As I stated, offer to help him. You both might learn something including its capabilities (& limitations) for ethical performance on game.
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Didn't want any back up at all. Yeah, I did learn a couple things here. mtmuley
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Kind of like using handguns, archery, etc.
Understand the capabilities/limitations of the tool, and work within them.
Pretty much my take on the matter. No way a .44 Mag from a handgun equals .308W as a general purpose elk cartridge, but the .44 will work fine within its limits.
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Q: Would ya shoot an elk with a .300 Blackout? A: Only if he's already dead?
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no please dont the elk can be killed with a 22 but just a stunt in my book. the 300 was never designed for this. i load thousands of rounds for 300 a week both sub-sonic and lighter bul. please use it for what it was built for. just my opp.
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having seen 2 whitetail bucks and 6 hogs shot with the 300 blkout, i would say its not the ideal hunting round, there are many choices that out preform the 300 blkout.rio7
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liliysdad and thinman think the Blackpout is a great elk round. Bet neither one of them has ever even seen an elk. mtmuley
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False on both counts but if it helps you somehow. Just more incorrect assumptions.
Let's now turn a thread about your ignorance and incompetence into anything else. Sheesh!
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As little as your opinion matters, the opposite is actually true. I think the Whisper/Blackout is a very poor choice for Elk...but the argument was made that the AR15 platform itself was a poor choice. This, in my opinion, is quite false, and where my disagreement rests.
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no please dont the elk can be killed with a 22 but just a stunt in my book. the 300 was never designed for this. i load thousands of rounds for 300 a week both sub-sonic and lighter bul. please use it for what it was built for. just my opp. Do you consider handgun or bow hunting of elk to be a 'stunt' as well? The .300BLK is as capable as my .44 Magnum revolver and carbine at ranges at which I would use either of them and somewhat better at longer ranges. I think for most the .300 BLK is a better choice than a bow at bow ranges. (I don't bow hunt but have buddies that do or have. I know of one who has skewered at least two deer but never recovered one.)
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no i really dont think it is a stunt on both counts but we were talking hunting rifles. i wont get into a popo match with anybody i was giving my .02 worth of thought on the matter of the orginal post question. i respect everybodies right to thought and ideas. .. i have killed elk with handgun and rifle by the way and know my limit, too old to be running over mt. and valleys. god bless you all and have fun on the hunt. D O M I T !
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liliysdad, Thanks for your honest opinion on the Blackout. That is the info I was seeking. I did not state the AR platform was inadequate, and if my posts were interpreted as such I apologize. You may not think my opinion matters, but the kid I work with does. I also apologize in thinking you and thinman had never hunted and killed elk. Another assumption. I cannot however, encourage him to hunt elk with the Blackout. Just the elk hunter of 40 years coming out in me. Thanks guys. mtmuley
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For the record, as I have been questioned, I have not killed an elk. I do not, for a second, purport to be an expert on anything of the sort, but I do know enough to know that the Blackout would be a poor choice for such an act.
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A 30-30 would be much better! ...
for Varmints, hogs, and small body Whitetails like we have here in TX.
Would I hunt Elk with It ??? Oh Hell NO!
I'd prefer my Hawken .54 cal Muzzle Loader with a Round Ball over the 300 ACC
But, I hunt Elk with my 300 RUM, so it's not a concern for me. My thoughts also Snake
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I just got 100 pieces of .300 AAC Blackout brass and dies to start using my 16" Encore barrel. I doubt I'll ever shoot an elk with it but maybe a deer. I didn't think I'd ever shoot deer with a .223 or 6X47 Rem, but my Daughter changed the way I think about what cartridges work and what doesn't.
Using a .300 AAC in situations that you'd be comfortable using a Bow, ML, or Handgun on should allow for a successful hunt. I don't see how putting a .308 caliber bullet in the proper place wouldn't bring down an elk. However, I wouldn't expect it to dump one where it stands.
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If i was going to use my 300 AAC for Elk i would hunt them just like i was using one of my Pistols or Bows. The Blackout is very close to the 30-30, but with less bullet weight . Would i hunt Elk with the Blackout, yes if i didn't have anything else and depending on where i was hunting them. The Blackout in my opinion is the ultimate urban Combat round in the AR Platform and for hunting, Whitetail deer size game is where you should stop. Elk aren't bullet proof tho and any decent bullet in the lungs and they die quick regardless of the rifle or cartridge the bullet came from. If using the 300 AAC, hunt in close or pistol range and shoot straight . I consider the 300 AAC a pistol round in the AR Platform .
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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