Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Got to be chitting me...US weighes alliance with Iran

Our best long term bet in that part of the world would seem to be a more secular Iran, but I'm not expecting that much in imagination from .gov.

I think it was planned the whole time.

It's simple, 80% of Iraq is Shiite. 100% of Iran is Shiite. The PM of Iraq is Shiite. Our POTUS removed all the sanctions from Iran so they could do business on the world stage and bring outside dollars into their economy. They are now free to buy all the war materials they ever wanted.

The best thing the POTUS did to speed this up was to pull all the American military out of Iraq so the country would fall apart from sectarian violence, quicker. The ISIL sped the process up. The ISIL was a gift via the Syria civil war. Iran will now "help" Iraq fix the Sunni problem. It's just that Iran will not ever leave. We are witnessing the beginnings of the "new" Persian empire.

It's no accident.

kwg

^^^This^^^. +1000

Let's supply Israel with all the Nukes they need and let them do it right!

That occurred a long time ago.

Surprisingly close, as is the assertion that your Government is up to it's neck in it.

So,...everybody here that's saying "We should just stay out of the middle east"
You don't think we should have retaliated after 9/11?
(talking Afghanistan not Iraq)

The problem (IMO) isn't that we're "there" or "go there", it's the ROE, and we're not allowed to FINISH the job when we ARE there.

So retaliate quietly, in the dark, when none are looking...there is no reason to spend your fortune and blood to bolster the profits of the rich.

Many on the 'fire are propaganda susceptible. That's how most of the logs on the 'fire were duped by the two Obama shills, Steve_No and RISJR, to pull Romnut rope thereby assuring Obamanation's reelection.

Going to war with Iran would be a stupid as fish head posting pics of his tampon that he took out of his mangina.

Bull. Voting for Romney did not assure Obama's re-election. The domination of academia, media and large cities by the right, assured Obama's re-election. Throw in some REALLY ineffective strategy by the right,dirty tactics and election fraud to sweeten the pot, and there you have it.

Israel is the only country in the Middle East that has declared war on us. It has repeatedly spied on us. It has sold technology we gave it to our enemies. It is an apartheid country that routinely violates human rights. We dismantled apartheid South Africa yet we prop up a more vicious version of it. Israel is not a democracy. Ashkenazi Jews running Israel are not related to Biblical Israelites. Israel propagandizes Americans with our own tax dollars. Israel is the true enemy of the USA in the Middle East.

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."
***WASHINGTON, GEORGE, in Maxims of George Washington by A. A. Appleton & Co***

Other famous historical men knew of the destructive force of Ashkenazi Jews. Stupid Americans support them to the detriment of the USA.

If we had half a brain, we'd take back the nukes Eisenhower gave it. After all, Israel has God on its side. Why does it need goyim boys?

History, gentlemen, history! Did you just take shop classes?

Reagan gave battlefield intel to Sadam during his war with Iran when it looked like Iraq might lose. And he gave arms and intel to IRAN when they were losing. In both cases he did so clandestinely w/o blabbing it out in news conferences for photo ops. And he did it to stay ahead of events, not as a panicky 'do something-- anything' virtual response to events that escaped his attention during a busy politicking/vacationing schedule. Of course, he had Casey,Schultz and Wineberger to steer him and not the clown sycophants now serving.

1B

Obamanation landslided Romnut. Do you really think that Romnut had even a slight chance? Why would you waste your vote on a candidate that couldn't of pulled it off with a Peterbilt?

A vote for Romnut was a wasted vote.

There is nothing in the Middle East that's worth one American soldier's life. We must close all of our foreign military bases, and bring every one of our brave soldiers home. They will protect our country and only our country. That's how our Founding Fathers intended it to be.

Our policy of intervention and democratizing the globe has resulted in many dead American boys and has been of no benefit to our country. But is has made a lot of insiders very rich.

I see the Middle East being composed of 3 nations + Israel. 1 Sunni, 1 Shiite, and 1 small, more or less secular hanger-on. Perhaps run by Assad.

I don't see this as a bad thing. The 2 Islamic republics will constantly be at war with each other.

We don't have anything to lose in this case.

FUBAR, FUBAR, FUBAR!!!!!!!

Agreed. But us opposing Iran only strengthens the Religious nutcases. Back when Bush was pres, Ahmadinejad would pop off and people in Iran would be unimpressed. But then Bush would then counter with threats of his own, and Ahmadinejad's dwindling popularity would take a significant upward bump. As long as Iranian's on the street see the US as a real threat, they will bolster the Caliphate to make sure they have some sort of defense. If we stop playing right into their hands, they will loose support. The majority of people in Iran are under 40 and most of them weren't around during the 1979 revolution, and have very little remembrance/connection to the Shah. So many are looking for a change, but we have to basically just get out of the way for that to happen.

You would think so wouldn't you...the problem being that they won't stay there because some dill keeps forgetting to close the zoo gates.

Iran-Contra

Wishful thinking, but I like how you think. That would be the idea scenario. Unfortunately the Sunni's and Shiites are in significant numbers in most Middle Eastern nations, so in order for that to actually happen, you have to convince millions of people with roots to a given place to play the world's larges Chinese Fire Drill. I just don't see that happening. MAYBE, they can decide to break up in to oodles of little Israel sized nations representing the pockets of people that live in each area, but even that is a long shot. The EU and the US won't even allow Somalia to break up into two nations (for what reason, I'll never know).