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The Founders were not libertarians and never intended the Constitution to have a libertarian bent. Therein lies the problem: libertarianism is not faithful to the original intent of the Founders, whereas Conservativism (limited government and fidelity to the moral law) are faithful to that intent. The problem isn't conservatism, its that too many who profess to be conservatives love big government.

I like trolling. I just wish you were better at it.

Every post you've ever made was trolling, and almost every thing you've ever posted was "wrong". I'm okay with that. Like I said, a good troll is fun to have around. You're just not any good. I bet there is some kind of troll advice to be found on the internet. You tenacity is good. Work on your content and delivery.

The Founders increased the size and scope of government when they wrote the Constitution then immediately showed they wanted even more power such as the Alien and Sedition Acts done up by Adams and his fellow Federalists who went on to become Whigs who went on to be come Republicans and who are still true to what the Founders wanted.

So I am pro-republican and pro-police and that makes me wrong according to you?

The Founders were not libertarians and never intended the Constitution to have a libertarian bent. Therein lies the problem: libertarianism is not faithful to the original intent of the Founders, whereas Conservativism (limited government and fidelity to the moral law) are faithful to that intent. The problem isn't conservatism, its that too many who profess to be conservatives love big government.

The Founders were not libertarians and never intended the Constitution to have a libertarian bent. Therein lies the problem: libertarianism is not faithful to the original intent of the Founders, whereas Conservativism (limited government and fidelity to the moral law) are faithful to that intent. The problem isn't conservatism, its that too many who profess to be conservatives love big government.

BTW, the "Founders" did not pass the Alien and Sedition Acts. Some men who were Founders supported it; others did not. But then, when the goal is to defame the Constitution and the Founders, details don't matter much do they Sherp?

Partly true. The Constitution created a central government of sufficient power to enable us to put an end to the greatest tyranny in all of American history---the positive good school of pro-slavery thought in ante-bellum America. In Lincoln's words it was the Constitution which put slavery in "the course of ultimate extinction". There are some here who, in the name of "liberty" are ardent defenders of chattel slavery. Go figure.

The Federalists passed the Alien and Sedition Acts and they were Founders.

there has always been a lot of 'libertarian' in me, but the party leaders such as Rand Paul leave me behind.
I am pretty Conservative. Back years ago, I parted with the John Birch Society, as I felt they were a little left wing.

I like trolling. I just wish you were better at it.

The art of trolling has for the most part been lost, in the same way and for the same reasons that the rhetorical arts of Attic Greek have been lost. So few people appreciate Attic Greek today--even in Greece--that even a skilled rhetoricist would go entirely unappreciated, no matter how good his arguments or persuasive his propaganda.

Long ago, before the Internet, before anybody knew what HTTP was and Usenet was king, people understood what trolling was and how to react to it and appreciate it. There were competent--nay, brilliant!--trolls and contemptible trolls, and everything in between.

Now, almost nobody remembers old-timey trolling, and so would-be trolls of the old tradition have no real way to develop their skills and no bar against which to measure themselves. Both ingenious trolls and sloppy, lame, half-witted trolls get bites from all directions, so there's no way to know for sure how good one is or how to make oneself better.

It's true that sherp has potential that he isn't exploiting, but in his defense, his environment is working against him.

If I am trolling then every Conservative and Police Officer in the country who gets online is trolling because those groups support the same things I do.