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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: jorgeI] #9001615 07/06/14
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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Are the Woodleighs cannelured? what seating depth?


They do have a crimping groove and I believe I seated them at 2.780" but I will check. Should have a chance to shoot them at 200 pretty quick. Thinking they will do fine at that range if I can keep it together.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: beretzs] #9003173 07/07/14
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THanks! let me know! Looks like h-4350 and RL-17 are real close in burn rates as well.

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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: jorgeI] #9005226 07/08/14
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I got 2.780" when I measured mine.

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H4350 and 17 are pretty close. I would assume it would work excellent for you..

Cartridge : .348 Win.
Bullet : .348, 250, Woodleigh FN 348
Useable Case Capaci: 60.068 grain H2O = 3.900 cm
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.795 inch = 70.99 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 76 44.00 1819 1836 23218 7081 85.6 1.627
-18.0 78 45.10 1865 1931 24644 7353 87.2 1.586
-16.0 80 46.20 1912 2030 26157 7620 88.6 1.545
-14.0 81 47.30 1960 2132 27772 7881 90.0 1.506
-12.0 83 48.40 2008 2238 29488 8135 91.3 1.467
-10.0 85 49.50 2056 2346 31314 8381 92.5 1.430
-08.0 87 50.60 2104 2458 33261 8617 93.7 1.393
-06.0 89 51.70 2153 2572 35335 8843 94.7 1.357
-04.0 91 52.80 2201 2690 37547 9057 95.7 1.320
-02.0 93 53.90 2250 2810 39910 9258 96.6 1.282 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 95 55.00 2299 2933 42433 9446 97.4 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 97 56.10 2347 3059 45133 9619 98.1 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 98 57.20 2396 3187 48023 9777 98.6 1.175 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 100 58.30 2445 3318 51118 9917 99.1 1.142 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 102 59.40 2493 3451 54441 10041 99.5 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 104 60.50 2542 3586 58010 10146 99.8 1.078 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 95 55.00 2432 3283 51275 9293 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 95 55.00 2122 2499 34721 8912 89.0 1.366


Cartridge : .348 Win.
Bullet : .348, 250, Woodleigh FN 348
Useable Case Capaci: 60.068 grain H2O = 3.900 cm
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.795 inch = 70.99 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 44.00 1780 1759 24630 6283 79.7 1.614
-18.0 83 45.10 1824 1846 26137 6517 81.1 1.572
-16.0 85 46.20 1868 1937 27736 6750 82.4 1.532
-14.0 87 47.30 1912 2030 29434 6981 83.6 1.493
-12.0 89 48.40 1957 2126 31238 7210 84.9 1.455
-10.0 91 49.50 2002 2225 33155 7437 86.1 1.418
-08.0 93 50.60 2047 2327 35194 7660 87.2 1.382
-06.0 95 51.70 2093 2431 37363 7879 88.4 1.346
-04.0 97 52.80 2139 2539 39673 8093 89.4 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 53.90 2184 2649 42134 8302 90.5 1.272 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 55.00 2230 2762 44759 8506 91.5 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 56.10 2277 2877 47559 8703 92.4 1.203 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 57.20 2323 2996 50553 8893 93.3 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 58.30 2370 3117 53753 9075 94.2 1.138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 59.40 2416 3241 57180 9249 95.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 60.50 2463 3368 60853 9413 95.7 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 55.00 2357 3083 53342 8791 97.1 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 55.00 2077 2395 36998 7877 82.9 1.350


Good luck. Post up your results. Can't get enough of the 348! HA!


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: beretzs] #9005881 07/08/14
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I'm at the office now, but I think my H4350 load is pretty close in weight to your RL-17. I've posted it here before.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: jorgeI] #9006117 07/08/14
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No worries. I think I tried to copy your load but don't stock 4350, but I do keep a ton of 17 on hand. Seems like we end up in about the same place.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: beretzs] #9006330 07/08/14
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OK,
It appears you are using a ballistics program. I wondered, because I cannot recall ever having seen RL-17 paired with the 348 WCF in any published data. After reviewing your results, I wonder why that is the case!
One more thing, B., Don't know if its just the photo, but your pic. of the loaded round oal seems to be sporting a shiny ring just above the case head. I have an old lot of Remington brass I saved for posterity that sports the same ring, in the same place. My concern is that this is a sign for incipient case head separation.
Those Woodleighs sure look nice, and unlike Hawk, they have a cannelure.
Thanxs for keeping us up to date.

Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: Mak] #9006441 07/08/14
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Mak, the brass is really only on its 2nd firing or maybe it's third. I can't feel any indentation on the inside of the case so I believe it is where the die stops during sizing. I try and set the die up so I only set te shoulder back about .002" on the 348 so it chambers easily but doesn't resize the tar out if the cases.

I will double check again though and get back with you. It's always worth checking that anyhow. I saw te same ring after the first firing and kinda thought it must be the die more so than the case. They haven't grown enough to trim yet and the LEE FCD does nice work for me on the crimp.

Give the Woodleighs a try. I really like them in the 348. They are pretty reasonable for a great bullet in the 348 Win.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: beretzs] #9006912 07/08/14
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Just checked and I use 58gr of H-4350, MV 2313 or so.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: jorgeI] #9006920 07/08/14
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That's a great load Jorge. I'm looking forward to shooting the 348 at 200 yards. It'll be fun to see what them 250's do out at distance. I love the 348. Great carrying hammer!


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Originally Posted by beretzs
Great afternoon with the M71. It is quickly becoming my favorite rifle!

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I hate to say it.... but I told you so!

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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: beretzs] #9043526 07/22/14
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With the bullet I put together a load for my 13 year old boy and his buffalo/bison hunt. I used H4831sc with great results and low felt recoil. The same powder did great with the 200 grn hornady slug. Give er a try.


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: ctw] #9144444 09/01/14
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Unless you are 13 yrs old, a 200gr bullet in a 348 Win is downright blasphemous.

I run 4350 and 250gr Hawk Precisions in mine.........

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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: 2muchgun] #9172930 09/12/14
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I have to start playing with mine! Still in the box

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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: Fotis] #9208658 09/26/14
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Geez fotis. I was wondering if you had shot that thing yet. I guess that answers my question sick


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.

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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: bsa1917hunter] #9208808 09/26/14
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Man, great timing, while I was out shooting the 338 today, I took the 348 Winchester along with the 250 Woodleighs. I couldn't shoot long with it like I wanted to, but I was able to shoot at 92 yards sitting off my knees to confirm my zero.

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I was very happy. That was using a 6 O'clock hold.

I fired one shot, at the center of the other target.

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I cannot wait to field test that load. That 250 Woodleigh is very accurate, at least for a peep sighted rifle.


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Damn, that's good shooting for open sights. It would be hard not to take that along for elk season this year!!


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.

Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
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Originally Posted by beretzs
Man, great timing, while I was out shooting the 338 today, I took the 348 Winchester along with the 250 Woodleighs. I couldn't shoot long with it like I wanted to, but I was able to shoot at 92 yards sitting off my knees to confirm my zero.

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I was very happy. That was using a 6 O'clock hold.

I fired one shot, at the center of the other target.

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I cannot wait to field test that load. That 250 Woodleigh is very accurate, at least for a peep sighted rifle.



How did your 338 shoot? I was hoping you'd post results on the other thread...


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.

Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: bsa1917hunter] #9210228 09/27/14
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BSA, the 338 shot well. I threw up a picture. Need to load up some more and refine my zero as it shifted a little from the old stock and taking the scope off, but it seems to be shooting fine.


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Scotty, love 348's and your avatar!


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Re: 348 Winchester RL17 250 Woodleigh Weldcores [Re: Milwroad] #9212770 09/28/14
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Originally Posted by Milwroad
Scotty, love 348's and your avatar!


Same here buddy. Both of them are about as good as it gets!

Hope you have the chance to come by the command sometime. We have a flag with a bunch of names signed to it in our HQ. I know Chuck's name is on there. I'll have to look and see if I can find yours.


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