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Scenar Shooters: #9096677 08/13/14
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT H HuntnShoot OP Campfire Outfitter
OP HuntnShoot Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT	You guys hunting with 30 cal 155 Scenars: what kind of terminal performance could I expect when impact velocity is 2000 and below? I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.

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Re: Scenar Shooters: HuntnShoot #9096910 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Dead Critters.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9096986 08/13/14
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,255 Just south of the 60th paralle... 406_SBC Campfire Regular
406_SBC Campfire Regular Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,255 Just south of the 60th paralle...	I've seen them crush a very nice brown bear (9' & 27") at something like 2200 fps. Seeing their effect would make it hard for me to believe that they'd bounced off if they were a tad slower........ It'd be tough to trump the deadening they can do. Originally Posted by Mule Deer Suck bullets simply suck.

Re: Scenar Shooters: 406_SBC #9096999 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Hell...they even hold together when Subsonic..............(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097011 08/13/14
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT H HuntnShoot OP Campfire Outfitter
OP HuntnShoot Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT	The only criticism I've heard from anyone I know (not pushing the design's possible limits) is that they don't open as fast as Bergers. How are they are 3k on something big and heavy? I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.

IC B2

Re: Scenar Shooters: HuntnShoot #9097031 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Bergers aren't even on the same PLANET................(hint) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097073 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 9,378 las vegas, Nv. L lvmiker Campfire Outfitter
lvmiker Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 9,378 las vegas, Nv.	Not being a reloader I must ask, w/ great trepidation, who makes these in 308. Thanks in advance. mike r Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC

Re: Scenar Shooters: lvmiker #9097088 08/13/14
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,697 Ajijic,Mexico & Texas FOsteology Campfire Outfitter
FOsteology Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,697 Ajijic,Mexico & Texas	Originally Posted by lvmiker Not being a reloader I must ask, w/ great trepidation, who makes these in 308. Thanks in advance. mike r Lapua and Cor-Bon

Re: Scenar Shooters: FOsteology #9097182 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	You'll want to fasten your seat belt,with Cor-Bon...............(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097244 08/13/14
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 57 Coyote, Wyoming I ishawooa338 Campfire Greenhorn
ishawooa338 Campfire Greenhorn I Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 57 Coyote, Wyoming	.284 Bergers at 3000-3200 fps are one shot killers for Rocky Mountain elk and moose. I have used this bullet myself, watched my son (we use 140 gr or 168 gr), and my neighbor (168 gr and 180 gr with the latter at about 2800)all demonstrate the same results numerous times. I can't be made to believe they are not totally effective. The same neighbor shot a Yukon moose (I forget how it scored, but it was exceptional) at about 1000 yards with a 180 VLD from a 7 Rem Mag. Again a one shot kill. This video was on You Tube for a while but I don't know if it still is there as this occurred back in 2010 or 2011. This is not to say that there are not equal choices among the other brands of bullets but I tend to use what works for me in the field.

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Re: Scenar Shooters: ishawooa338 #9097278 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Wow! Thanks for sharing!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097286 08/13/14
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country H Hondo64d Campfire Tracker
Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	Originally Posted by Big Stick Bergers aren't even on the same PLANET................(hint) Yep. The Bergers really stink� 168gr VLD, 10 shots at 100m, about .6 MOA. 155gr VLD, DRT. 155gr VLD,DRT 155gr VLD. Ran maybe 30 yards. 130gr VLD, DRT 130gr VLD. Moved maybe 15 feet and was too sick to move further. 130gr VLD. Made it maybe 30 yards. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/Hondo64d/39aee0c9.jpg[/img] 130gr VLD. DRT. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/Hondo64d/d62e8e1f.jpg[/img] 115gr VLD. DRT. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/Hondo64d/IMG_0389-1.jpg[/img] 115gr VLD. DRT. [img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/Hondo64d/IMG_0388-1.jpg[/img] To be continued� John If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

Re: Scenar Shooters: Hondo64d #9097294 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Hondo, Holy Smokes,that is some magnificent work!................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097329 08/13/14
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 57 Coyote, Wyoming I ishawooa338 Campfire Greenhorn
ishawooa338 Campfire Greenhorn I Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 57 Coyote, Wyoming	Really nice photos and info Hondo. I need to post some of my kills with 140 gr and 168 gr VLD's. The species vary but the shots are as impressive. Thanks for sharing these pictures.

Re: Scenar Shooters: Hondo64d #9097330 08/13/14
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country H Hondo64d Campfire Tracker
Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	155gr VLD. DRT. 155gr Scenar Ran about 100 yards. 155gr Scenar. DRT. The pig and the coyote are the only things I've shot with the Scenar so far. Scenar Shooter has indicated they are a bit harder in construction than VLDs and based on the very small sample size of the critters I've shot with them, I believe him. That being said, they are very easy to get to shoot well. Here's a couple of groups at 400 and 500 yards. Plates are 8": 400 yards. 500 yards. John Last edited by Hondo64d; 08/13/14. If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

Re: Scenar Shooters: Hondo64d #9097344 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Holy SMOKES...that is AWESOME! Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Scenar Shooters: Big Stick #9097368 08/13/14
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country H Hondo64d Campfire Tracker
Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	Thought for a minute you were going to regale us with how the multitude of critters you have shot with VLDs somehow got away unharmed. I should have known better. I am fortunate in that I don't have to guess... John If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

Re: Scenar Shooters: Hondo64d #9097407 08/13/14
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT H HuntnShoot OP Campfire Outfitter
OP HuntnShoot Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT	Thanks for the pics John! Those steel plates...great shooting! I have a lot of confidence in VLDs. They do as well as anything I've seen. My only complaint is they haven't opened fast enough. The wound channels have looked like std CE hunting bullets. I shoot for the ribs though. I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.

Re: Scenar Shooters: HuntnShoot #9097488 08/13/14
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country H Hondo64d Campfire Tracker
Hondo64d Campfire Tracker H Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,792 The Big Country	True. On broadside shots on small critters, they don't really come unglued until a pretty good ways into the vitals. Even so, they have anchored everything I've shot with them much quicker than other bullets on the average. I still plan on shooting more stuff with the Scenars though. They are very easy to get to shoot well, the BCs are great and there has been enough success with them on critters by others that I am sure going to give them a fair shake. John If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

Re: Scenar Shooters: Hondo64d #9097691 08/13/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,321 Paradise,Alaska	Hondo64, I reckon that when you are done guessing,you will see the Scenar light and still be sluicing Rats,Dinks and Vermin. ToldjaSo..................(hint) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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