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As some of you Know S&W used to Import some fine rifle's one being the high quality Husqvarna rifles with the super strong 1640 actions. I own one made in 1967 that has the Model 1640 action. I use the gun Lightly to Hunt Deer with, but it has always' Hindered me due to it's Horrid Trigger Pull. It is an "A" Grade gun with the High Gloss Urethane stock, fine checking and high Polished bluing. It is chambered in Springfield 30-06 and is a fine accurate gun. There is one draw back that really annoy's me though and that is a Terrible Trigger with a wicked high Pound rated trigger pull. I looked at options and located a great one for the Husqvarna rifles. It is made by Huber Concepts and is called their Ball bearing competition trigger. it is a fully adjustable trigger for let off as well as creep.

I had some Deep conversation with the owner of the company John Huber, he is very passionate for perfection as well as rifle accuracy and has chosen the fabulous Husqvarna Husqvarna rifle to mock up a drop in trigger assembly for. This new Ball bearing designed trigger will allow owner's of Husqvarna's to use his trigger with No stock alteration's Nor safety lever issues & It is now finished and John Has agreed to send me one as well as two more trigger assemblies that are in their final stages of R&D. It should be here shortly so when it show's up, I have agreed to follow up with an in Depth article on his trigger's as well as show the accuracy result's of his ball bearing friction less triggers. He is currently the only Manufacturer out there to make a totally drop in trigger for the Husqvarna rifles Timney offer's a trigger but it requires much stock modification to use their trigger and the last thing I wanted to do was butcher a prefectly Good French Walnut stock. If this Interests you here is a link to his web page or stay tuned to watch this new project unfold, Pictures and dialog to follow. Regards, The General

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For those of you Not Familiar with the Imported S&W Husqvarna rifle's, here is my 1967 Model A rifle wearing a period correct Redfield Wide view-3-9 Power scope. I have Owned many High end rifles in the past 40 Year's but this Husqvarna is one of the Nicest one's Beating out the quality of a Pre-1965 Sako A-5 that I used to own. If you do not have one of these fine rifles you really do not know what you are missing they are a Gorgeous Super Made High Quality rifle. It is Real Sad that Husqvarna is now out of Business as I feel that they had the Highest quality rifles to have ever offered Bar None. wink Regards, The General

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Everything you said about those is true. It's amazing guys put so much money into tired old military mausers with floppy bolts when there are guns like that out there.

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I'll be watching this post. Thanks for the heads up.


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Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Everything you said about those is true. It's amazing guys put so much money into tired old military mausers with floppy bolts when there are guns like that out there.


Hello cumminscowboy
Many Guy's are not aware of these Fine Husqvarna rifles. Accuracy is one of their best qualities they used High Quality steel and did excellent machine work on these rifles it is sad that the Import Law's changed and made it tough for companies like Husqvarna to get these rifles shippped into the United States. I had to look a Long time to find this one they are not an easy rifle to find and those that have them are reluctant to let them go due to their fine quality. The Only draw back I have with mine is the Trigger Pull being very High in it I can't wait to get this Huber concept's trigger assembly in place so that this gun will show much tigher group's on Target. Regards, TheGeneral


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G-I too, will be interested to see what you find with the Huber trigger. My Husky is not from S&W but the same action and snaubel-type stock (3100, I believe). I have had this .270 for nearly three decades and my impression is the same as yours. Does the Huber design you speak of replace the entire trigger mechanism and safety or is it just the trigger itself like their website shows for HVA Mausers? Thanks for posting this. Regards, Bruce

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I see these in the pawn shop and used rack quite a bit at the gun stores around me. Often times the don't sell quick because the average guy doesn't know what they are.

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Very interesting trigger concept.

I picked up a schnabel stocked S&W in .30-06 yrs back. Owner had never heard of the brand so I got it at a good price. Sold the stock for half my cost. Try as I might I just didn't like the fit. Had to cut the bbl back to 17.75" due to a bulge. Recently found out the cast bottom metal had a hairline crack. So I worked it into a Choate M98 stock w/blind magazine box. I polished the contact surfaces of the trigger/bolt assembly. Now at least I've got a trigger that breaks consistant but with a heavy pull. Going to look for a replacement spring a some point. Although it's ready to shoot I still want to fill in some small gaps and maybe shorten the LOP. Going to make for a nice compact beater.

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Originally Posted by EZEARL
Very interesting trigger concept.

I polished the contact surfaces of the trigger/bolt assembly. Now at least I've got a trigger that breaks consistant but with a heavy pull. Going to look for a replacement spring a some point. Although it's ready to shoot I still want to fill in some small gaps and maybe shorten the LOP. Going to make for a nice compact beater.

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That Gun is Screaming for a custom Trigger ! This is part of the reason I am writting this Thread as well as some other's that I have on Other forum's. There is Not Much Hope for these Husqvarna's as far as getting a Nice Custon level Trigger, so I for one am Very Glad that John Huber believe's in these rifles enough so that he Made these drop in Trigger's. Up to that Point your Only choice was to have some Gun smith work over your existing trigger and spring tension is not the Only issue with these triggers, They require Much filing and adjusting to get one to work right. The Huber Trigger is a Ball bearing Frictionless Trigger so it is as smmoth as Silk with Zero Drag, of which No Other Trigger Manufacturer even offer's such a thing period. Timney makes a Half heart attempt of a Trigger for these Gun's but it Requires fitting The Stock and fiddling around with the Gun's safety, I Guess Timney does not have an Engineer's working for them, or for the fact of that matter anyone that can design a drop in trigger that does not require Hacking up the Gorgeous French Walnut stock or Playing around with the Gun's Safety which to me is Absurd I want a safety to work and work right. Stay Tuned guy's that Huber Concept's trigger should be here any time I will include Many Picture's as well as dialog John Huber deserves all of the Recognition he is a smart Engineer that cares enough for Our Husky's that he made the Trigger FIT The GUN...And here is why I don't want a Timney trigger in my Gun I am Not about to start Hacking this gun's stock Just to get a Trigger in it....and Timney Can NOT begin to compare to a Real competition Trigger like John Huber has designed, proven and is Now Marketing he Know's what Product performance is all about, Not Just mass producing trigger's that leave the Buyer to fit them to the Gun...Like all that Timney has to Offer for these Guns... wink The General



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A model A S&W .30-06 was my 1st high powered rifle. Excellent quality. I hunted with a 9.3x62 Husqvarna in Sweden and loved it (it was a lefty). Looks like Zoli makes them now under license and will be importing them (both left and right-handed versions) next year. I'll be getting one.
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Are you selling these triggers?

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Originally Posted by K1500
Are you selling these triggers?


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No, They are sponsoring me to To test & Evaluate their Triggers. They can be bought here. Regards, The General

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Hey General. Just saw the post regarding your Husqvarna rifle.
I fully agree with you in your description of these fine rifles. They are without question, some of the finest rifles ever made.
I have a model 9000 with the 1900 action in 270 cal. I think it was made in 1971. It is a tack driver and smooth as butter. Tolerances are very tight when compared to other brands. Yes, it is a bad stroke of luck that Husqvarna quit making these beauties.
My father give this gem. Boy was I lucky to have inherited it.
I did check out Zoli rifles but wow. Not in my price range.
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Originally Posted by lagerboy
Hey General. Just saw the post regarding your Husqvarna rifle.
I fully agree with you in your description of these fine rifles. They are without question, some of the finest rifles ever made.
I have a model 9000 with the 1900 action in 270 cal. I think it was made in 1971. It is a tack driver and smooth as butter. Tolerances are very tight when compared to other brands. Yes, it is a bad stroke of luck that Husqvarna quit making these beauties.
My father give this gem. Boy was I lucky to have inherited it.
I did check out Zoli rifles but wow. Not in my price range.
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I have had many, many High end Production rifles in the past 40 Years of shooting High Powered rifles and None have began to compare to the High Quality in this Current S&W Imported Husqvarna rifle that I have shown in this Thread. Even my Pre-1965 Sako A-5 rifle did Not Compare to the High quality seen in my Husqvarna being fit, finish, or accuracy the Husky Came out on top in all Three area's without a Doubt. The Engineeer's at Husqvarna got together on their own and designed the Model 1900 actions. It was their desire to develope a smooth Bolt Throw and bullet feed along with an adjustable Trigger Improving Much as far as rifle performance goes on the earlier made model 1640 action guns. They did this in Grand style from what I have heard and read, but due to the stringent Importation law Changes back in that time span it Killed all future sales or Importation of their fine gun's to The United States, another Einstein Move on our Mis Managed Government, yet our wonderful Government Freely allowed Japan the rights to import their Howa rifles and continued to do so, which to me a Howa is No Comparison to a Husky in any area, I have had a few of them over the years even one of their Bull barrel Model 1500's chambered in .22-250 that was Not all that accurate on paper and although they all seem Look nice they are sure No Husky as far as accuracy or Quality. That Stringent law's set forth on Imported gun's coming into the U.S. from our Wonderfull Mis managed Government alone is what KILLED Husqvarna and forced them right out of production and Straight out of the Gun making Business. a while back, I had a Nice Model 1900 S&W Imported Husqvarna chambered in Winchester .270 Caliber in my sight's, on this foruum as a matter of fact and what I Deemed as a Solid trade agreement, DONE DEAL worked out with the Guy that Owned it, but He Backed OUT after he agreed to make the deal happen with Me Which Really Ticked me off as I am, and always' have been a man of my word, Too Bad Not everyone Uses a Good Solid Life values like this one in their own Live's, and Transaction's Kind of Sad Huh ? To me a man is Only as Good as his WORD, But in the End it was His Loss I sure did not loose any Sleep over it and it showed me EXACTY What Kind of Man that he Really WASN'T To begin with ! so I am still On The Hunt for a model 1900 Imported S&W rifle, of which I am sure someday when all of the star's line up right I will land One. I will Include a Site Link below that There is a Ton of Good educational reading on all Husqvarna's made, & I learned Very much Myself that I did Not Know about The Awesome Husqvarna Guns from reading it all, & I Sure hope this help's you and Other's learn more about Exactly why the Husqvarna rifles are so Dang Awesome. To Up-Date Ya'll here on this Trigger Project today I Called Gary The sales Rep. @ Huber concept's and he said that the Competition Ball bearing Frictionless Trigger should have been in today's mail box awaiting me, but I suspect the Columbus Holiday Tanked that Thought, but I am very Excited about getting into this project as soon as it arrives I will Certainly start The Close up Picture's and Step by step dialog on how to convert a Husky into a Super Match Quality rifle, more to follow, stay Tuned Guy's it all Gonna Happen Very Soon & you have "My WORD on That" !!!... Regards, The General

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Thanks for the info General. I did adjust my trigger and that adjustment did help lots.
I'm interested to here and see how your project goes.
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I've got a Husky 30/06 (I paid just $250 for it) that needs a trigger.


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I will be doing a write-up on the Zoli 1900 lefty early next year when they arrive here in the US. Stocks will be more in line with what the American shooter wants.
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RGK,
Who is going to be importing the Zoli rifles. I thing the actions only are already coming into the country.

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For those of you Following this Thread, My Huber concept's match grade ball bearing friction less Black Teflon finished trigger arrived in Today's Mail. Initally I was under the impression that I may have to change out the entire Husqvarna trigger assembly, but I stood to be corrected. It is simply a self contained Ball bearing trigger that is Placed into the gun's Existing Trigger assembly. It appear's that all that has to be done to install it in my gun is to drive out the Existing trigger Pin that Goes Through the Husqvarna trigger assembly, to install this Match grade trigger, I would say the entire install of it should Not be more than ten Minute's Top's. It even comes with an allen head wrench to adjust it once it is Placed in the trigerr assembly for let off Pressure and Over all Trigger Creep once it is installed is in the gun. Here is how it comes & Look's when ordered from Huber Concept's it came in a nice Padded envelope and they also sent me w Nice Ball Point Pen with their advertising name on it and a neat Sticker to Place on my Vehicle should I decide to do so, They are super Nice folok's at Huber Concept's that's for sure and they Really care about customer relation's as well as making a fine engineered trigger to solve the heavy trigger Pull issue's in these Husqvarna's. I never got anything other than the part I paid for when I delt with Timney Trigger's and their's will not hold a candle to the performance of these Huber Concept trigger's as their's is adjusted through Spring tension and has No Ball bearing design to it, and when Buying their's they Only offer it as a complete Trigger assembly, so you have to hack up your Gun's stock to fit their larger trigger assembly as well as Modify the wood around the Gun's safety lever, so that Turned me right off to begin with that is why I Turned to John Huber for his advice and Excellent product. Regards, The General

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I sat down last Night to install my new Huber Concept's firctionless ball Ball bearing trigger in my S&W Husqvarna. The direction's are very straight forward, all you will need to do is Take your Barrel & action out of your stock, then Tap the trigger Pin out of the Trigger assembly with a small Punch and hammer and remove the stock trigger. Once that has been Taken out replace it with the Huber concept's trigger and adjust your trigger to your liking per the Instructions shown. I did end up having to remove a slight amount of wood down around my Trigger Guard assembly in my wood stock due to Extra wood in that area, Stock's will differ as S&W apparantly made the wood to fit these action's and barrels, but it was very Minimal and will Not hurt the strength, or Integrity of the stock. Once this trigger was installed I set it at 3/4 of a Pound with No creep and it feels as smooth as Velvet when the trigger breaks clean now. I look forward to getting this gun on the Range this coming week to see what kind of group's it will print now. Here is the Instructions as well as how the Huber trigger looks in a Husqvarna rifle. To me, this is the best thing to add to your Husqvarna Model 1640 action if you strive for accuracy and a Precision Trigger Huber concept's has sure filled that Need with Style, precision and High Quality. I will Post some pictures of traget's shot with thie new trigger soon. Regards, The General



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Originally Posted by DickD
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Who is going to be importing the Zoli rifles. I thing the actions only are already coming into the country.


The Zoli 1900s are made in Italy by Zoli, under license. Zoli will
be importing them, along with their shotguns, out of their HQ in Bulverde, TX.
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Sounds good,general.
Checked the pull weight on my 1640 last evening. 7.25lbs

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Originally Posted by EZEARL
Sounds good,general.
Checked the pull weight on my 1640 last evening. 7.25lbs


Hello EZEarl
I am not the Least Bit Surprised, The Trigger Pull on these Husqvarna Model 1640 action's is at best Horrid. To me, it is the Only Fault of a finer High quality rile. I have had many High end rifles in the past 40 Years' and being that I am a Collector of fine firearms I am also a hand Loader who strives for perfection in making One Ragged hole group's on Target with my rifles. This Trigger Issues has kept me from doing that, and I am Not a Lover of Timney's Luke warm Attempt Trigger assembly that they are currently offering. Not Only do you have to Hack UP a Gorgeous stock to use it, as well as Modify the Gun's Safety lever system & the Trigger consist's of letting off the trigger of a gun through Spring Pressure on the gun's action sear and everyone Know's over time Springs ALWAYS change and get weak or stretch. That is what set's Huber concept's Trigger a Cut above the rest John Huber Engineered & designed his trigger to work with the existing Factory Husqvarna trigger assembly and he has done so by using an Ingenious Twin Precision Ball Bearing design which provide's a Millisecond Lightning Fast fast Timing Mode, where as the Bullet is Gone Long before you expect it to be, eliminating any Flinching what so ever, which is Very Common on Big Recoiling caliber's which means to The shooter supreme accuracy of the weapon as you are not waiting on a compressed spring to let lose of your trigger Sear. Evidently Timney has Little Regard for their customer's Real Need's offering the Trigger that they do & have in the past for these rifle's so I will not spend my Hard earned dollars on their Low Performance, ILL Engineered Luke waste of money Trigger assembly.

In Keeping everyone apprised at Just what to expect when Installing one of John Huber's Excellent Frictionless Trigger's, I have to Place a call to Gary their P&R Guy early Monday Morning. Gary told me that this Trigger was an easy Drop in style where I would only have to shave 0.02" at the very Most of the stock wood around my Trigger guard area to allow the use of their trigger. That may hold True for the Sweden made Husqvarna rifle's, but in my Case with this S&W Model-A Rifle of mine this was Not True. My Gun shipped into S&W in 1967. It came to S&W as a Barreled action. S&W designed and Built the Gorgeous wood stock for it and in the process evidently made their stock's Much Thicker in the trigger Guard area, than the Swedish Built Husqvarna's. Now, I Not Bragging , but I am a 43 Year Mechanic, so I saw this as No Huge deal, I used a air Powered die grinder with a rotary tip to modify the front trigger Guard area of my wood stock. The Problem was that the Huber Trigger Creep Allen head screw would not go down into my wood stock to allow it enough clearance for my action to mate back up as it should. I took about ten Minute's of my time to alter the wood some what and it fit perfectly when I was done, But I want to tell Other's reading this article I have Written that if you have a S&W Branded rifle there may have to be some slight Modifying of your stock. Just Like anything else stock's may vary so some may Not need any modification, where as other's like mine may need this, so if this Intimidates you, Buyer Beware. I can tell you, that aside from that this Trigger is Superb in any fashion or form and I am really Looking forward to getting my gun on the bench rest to se just how accurate it is now. You can set these trigger's as low as you Like, I chose for mine to break clean at 3/4 of a Pound with Zero Creep. I am Certain that This Huber concept's trigger will forever change my attitude of this rifle from here forward. I will post Picture's of my Target result's as soon as I have them to do so. Regards The General


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I got to the Range Yesterday to try out my new Huber Concept's Competition ball bearing Frictionless Trigger. I can tell you that John Huber has done his home work Well on these trigger's what a Huge difference it made in my Husqvarna rifle. I had Many shot's while firing it that went off before I expected them to Surprising me and that Spells accuracy. I have my New Trigger set @ 3/4 of a Pound weight with Zero Creep and it breaks Like Glass due to The Ball bearing Fristionless design John has come up with. I set my Target @ The Hundred Yard range for Load testing, Ihad with me two different hand load's using 150 Grain Bullet's both Ballistic tip type Bullet's. It was a Nice Cool 65 Degrees here in Knoxville, Tennessee Yesterday with almost No wind Present and was very Sunny. I was shooting my own hand load's using Accurate Arm's Powder in One hand Load and IMR Powder in the Other hand Load Both were dispensed at near Maxium Hunting loading level's so The Recoil of my Gun was Just Wicked. The Bullet's I loaded were Hornady Ballistic tipped 150 Grain weight. The Other hand Load was Nosler Ballistic Tipped 150 Grain weight as well.






I had to sight my Gun in as it's classic Redfield wide View 3-9 variable scope was off some from the last time I used it and I Strongly Suspect that some of that may have been caused by Flinching due to such a High Trigger Pull weight being 7- Pound's that my gun used to have. I did Get some Nice clover leaf group's Just Under the size of a dime while shooting it so it is Now Very accurate to Hunt Deer with this year, and John Huber's Trigger is the very reason for this new accuracy that it has. It will take some work to get this gun to produce One Ragged hole group's as the Wicked High recoil of it simply Stomped me into the ground shooting Hunting Load level ammunition, and my Right shoulder feel's Like Ground Chuck this AM from it. I can tell you that you are Striving for accuracy out of your Husqvarna rifle, that adding this Huber concept's Trigger is The Very best thing one can do for a Husqvarna rifle with the 1640 action as John Huber has filled a very Important Need in these guns. If you are Hindered by Your Husqvarna's High Trigger Pull do your self a Huge favor and get one of John's Ball bearing Frictionless Trigger's as they are Evrything he say's that they are and More, and I can gurantee that you will not be Disapointed in their performance, it is Just What These Old Husky's Needed to make them The Perfect hunting or Bench Rest Performance Guns. Regards, The General

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I have been working Very hard at perfecting a Good stout Hunting Load for my S&W Husqvarna rifle. Since I Placed this new Huber Ball Baring frictionless Trigger it has Enhanced my Gun and filled a Huge Need in the gun as the factory Trigger was Pure garbage. In working up a heavy Hunting load I selected some Hornady SXT style Bullet's of 150 Grain weight. These Bullet's are of Boat tail design and have the Plastic ballist tip's on them. I tried Three different load's for my gun and settled on the one shown on target below. I must confess here Guy's, that due to the High Recoil of the Springfield 30-06 Caliber, I needed to space the day's in testing as it Quickly Turned my Right shoulder into Ground Chuck with Black & Blue Brusing. I no Longer enjoy the High recoil of this rifle but I also Understand to wring out the gun's Highest level of accuracy it will require Much bench shooting to get it where I wanted it on target. In this last session of Target Load testing, I set the scope target's @ The 100 Yard Line as well as the 200 Yard Line. I did make some Minor scope adjustment's while shooting it so that is why some of the shot's are Not in the Ten Ring area of the target, as I progressed with it, The Shot's's went where I intended them to be though, and I was Pleased with the Over all perfomance of the tested Load and Gun's Trigger it Really shines now. As I mentioned I am Very Pleased with the group's this hand Load Produced as the Gun is a Sporter type tapered barrel Type rifle so one can not expect it to shoot and react like a serious bench rest type gun. These group's are much better than I expected and are the Very best that it has ever produced I Now, have Huber Concept's to Thank for that. I did E-mail Gary this AM and shared with him that installing their Trigger in my S&W Husqvarna took a Little more work than I expected, as they Intended their trigger's for the Husqvarna Built wood stock's and there is a difference between them and the S&W made wood stocks on these Guns but other than That Minor Issue I was very Pleased with it and it's Supreme Velvet Smooth performance. Gary is Very self conscience type Guy, so I strongly suspect that he will look into my concern's and make the needed changes to make these trigger's a Breeze to Place in the S&W Husqvarna guns in the very near future. In closing here, I can tell you that I have Dealt with Hundred's of supplier's in my Life time, but I have never dealt with any Like Huber Concept's they are Trully Pasionate for shooter's and stive to perfect and please their Buying Public, they are Great guy's get you one of their Trigger's there is NO One else out there to offer anything this amazing and easy to Place in our Guns, of which They Really Lacked in coming from the factory. Regards, The General



Here is my test target shot @ The 100 Yard Line with my New Huber Concept's Trigger, which Really makes the Accuracy of this gun shone now


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Here is a Three shot cluster group which is Under the Size of a dime shot @ the 100 Yard Line as well, This was NOT able to be done with this Rifle Until I Placed the Huber Trigger in it now it makes this Gun my favorite Gun


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Here is my test target set @ The 200 yard Line shot with my Huber concept's Frictionless ball bearing Trigger

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I have been working Intently with this rifle since I Placed it's new Huber concept's trigger in it. I have to Take breaks between set's of working with it due to the High recoil of the Springfield 30-06 Cartridge this gun can quickly Turn your shoulder into Ground Chuck when firing it in experimenting Target shooting sessions. I now am as light as I care to be with it's trigger being just a Half a pound of pull with Zero creep, These Trigger's are amazing and will turn your Husky into a Match grade rifle quickly. I will Post some newer test targets when I get back on the bench with this rifle. Regards, The General


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I installed one of thos on an fn build for a customer and was impressed. I think it is the best trigger made for Mauser actions. Tho most people won't spend the extra money I think it is worth it..

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I really should get one.

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Back up with old thread. Does anyone know if this trigger for the Husqvarna 1640 (S&W Mod B) is still available? Any experience with one?
I emailed Huber Concepts but did not received an answer, asking if the HVA Mauser listed for order on their site is the one for the S&W branded 1640.


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I love the Huber Concepts trigger on my Husqvarna 1651. Highly recommend.


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Heard Huber doesn't sell his triggers anymore

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Thanks. May be as I've not received an email response from him.


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The adjustable trigger on the Tradewinds imported Dlx model 1640 is a very good trigger. Grab one if you stumble across one. They look like this.

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Thanks L2S, learned of that particular trigger couple years back. Have been on the lookout since. Rare as hens teeth! I'll keep looking, and if anyone reading this thread knows of one please let me know!

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