Home Forums Hunting & Shooting General Big Game New Cartridge: .375 Ruger (375/.338 win.mag) Best Grizzly/African use?

Kind of a 308/30'06 thing, if you are in the '06 camp you will stick with the H&H, if you like the new-fangled, then this Taylor brother will excite you. As with above 308/'06 example, I question that handloaders can equal the best H&H with the Taylor type case design. Factory loads may prove equal. I like the 375 Weatherby better, JMHO. Bill

There is no reason the new catridge has to be loaded hotter than the H&H , if you think about it the 300 Win has quite a little more speed potential than a 300 H&H(larger powder capacity) so with prudent loads , extraction under very hot conditions should be a non-issue .

As to the neck length , that should also be a non-issue , the old H&H doesn't have all that much neck to start with . Bump the 300 Win case up to 375 and you will have a neck length very close to the H&H .

As to reliabilty under poor condtions , I see no reason a this new cartridge will be any different than any garden variety 338 or other belted case..........

I'm sure though , the fellas that get to Africa alot will stick with their H&H rifles , if nothing else , there will always be a big concern for ammo re-supply , but some of us home bound characters that like to play with big bores and occationally make a stab at collecting an elk or moose may buy the new round......

What I'm hearing elsewhere is that the new Ruger cartridge is a non-belted 'fat' case. Just what I would want it to be!

[quote]Mark, I've gotta copy this and save it. We'll see if you still feel the same in a year or so! Look at the feed nightmare the shortmags have had! This to me to be a really big "short mag"
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JJ- if you want to cut past copy put it on your bathroom mirror I could give a care of what you want to do with it. DO IT, that is fine with me. I just don't care what you want to do.

From what you said here it is more than apparent that you don't believe it will feed.

Horse apples, I honeslty expect a bit more from you on this one. A fella with your experience should know better than to say a round like this won't feed. I mean for crying out loud how darn tough is it to get a 300 winnie and or a 338 to feed. Not exactly rocket science! If a person/or a company like Ruger has a tough time making a round like this feed then they had better find a new line of work! Go and work for Keebler or something.

Now if the round in question was say a 375 WSM and you had spoken in said fashion I would of thought, yep sounds about right to me. Even though my lil 338/300 WSM feeds like a charm.

But this is not the same as a "short mag", not even freakin close.

I tell you what I have an action, I'll have my smith build me a Taylor. When it is all done we'll get a bunch of folk from the "fire" together, do some shooting, make smores, tell lies and sing kumbaya. And we will also give all a chance to shoot,handle and see how my Taylor feeds.

If, all agree that it don't feed then I will gladly pay you what I had in the project. So I would be out the expense of the tube work, and I would also pay you what I had in the job as well.

Now on the otherhand if all agree that it does feed then you pay me what I have in the project.

How's this sound?

Sounds about fair to me.

You sound awfully sure of yourself about it not feeding so lets see how convicted you really are on this.

Thx 4 your time

Mark D

One last thing for the rest of the gang and not just JJ.

Do I think it is a neat lil round, yep I do.

Do I see a need for it, nope

Do I think it will sell, nope I don't but you never know.

Do I believe it will feed, ah I think you already know my answer to this one.

And lastly will it ever run with a H&H nope, but it will be very close as in what a 308 is to a 06 and a 7/08 is to a 280 and what a 300 WSM is to a 300 WM.

Ciao

Mark D

JJ, this was the statement that prompted my question to you... it was an honest question with no ill will at all... seriously. If I'm reading betweent the lines correctly you were a bit miffed at the question. It wasn't my intent to goad you, I was just curious why you were comparing a WSM to this new 375 as they're apples and oranges... totally different cases. I thought perhaps I was missing something. Obviuosly I wasn't.

I'd also add I've had two SS M70 375 H&H's... I would prefer the H&H version to this cartridge as it's a known quantity and available everywhere plus it'll breath easy and still out perform this new round. On the other hand, the idea that the 375 H&H necessarily feeds better is horse puckey. In fact, I've seen more than one M70 that didn't feed the big, long H&H well. I've alwayas felt the M70's geometry isn't quite right for the H&H sized cases and is better with the 300 WM sized cases...

just a few thought's.

There is a picture of it up on AR... can't tell just how 'fat' it is, or at least I can't. Looks similar to a 300WM case sans the belt, neck looks to be about bore lenght.

Bambi, thanks...

Here they are. Heck, now I like it better... looks like a 300 WM sans belt:

I now own a Ruger "CRF" rifle in 25/06 so I like the strength and 3 position safety but I'm not at all impressed with the CRF feed design!

JJ how accurate is the stock Ruger 25/06 they make a SS LH
and thinking about one. Like a lighter rifle do they feel heavy?

Mark, I said I was going to copy that and wait to see what happens down the road as a joke. Sorry it was disturbing to you.
Brad and others
Again and I will repeat this for the dozenth(is that a word?) time. I never ever said even once that it would not feed or eject, what corporate moron would market a new product that would not work at all?

I questioned whether it was not going to feed or eject like the 375HH with flawless dependabilty. I base that on the short mag designs I have seen up to now. Their feeding really sucks from those I have seen, and the guys I know who bought them. Do a search on this very site. It's not a secret.

When it comes to DG like Africa and Alaska my concern was it's not like the 375HH design so it's likely to be feed and eject problematic when combined with the 1/2 way CRF action Ruger sells.

It may not be at all, I don't have a crystal ball here and I don't work in rifle design. However based on what I have seen from the new generation of shortend cases I'm very skeptical of this working as well as the 375HH does, or to somehow believe it would equal or surpass it as a DG rifle. With factory level pressure they should be fine in hot weather. I just don't run into all that many people who shoot mild factory ammo. I would guess 9 of 10 Americans hunting with me have the "special loads" version which is really where the problems crop up.

Up til now this has been a light hearted conversation, however I get the feeling in some of the posts now there is a bizzare level of increasing stress? I'm confused by that. Do you really give a rip about my opinion here that it justifies getting stressed or angry?

Simply put, I have strong reservations on it's abiltiy to compete heads up with the original 375HH design. So much so that I don't see it putting a dent in the HH usage where a serious professional, or a serious hunter in a DG situation would feel as good using it. At least not as he would with a real CRF and a 375HH cartridge. Anyone who doubts this is a bit premature considering the defense of a cartridge and rifle that is not even for sale yet!

If you guys actually read all the text I wrote I said cleary that I hope it's a success and Ruger sells lots of them. Ruger has released more new products then anyone and we need our American Gun makers to stay afloat. It's written above. I'm not anti Ruger, Heck I just bought one myself, my first non-winchester centerfire in my life. I'm not anti "new designs" either. Great lets find the best possible cartridge/bullet/ powder/ I'm all for it.

Remember there were not too many people that were disgusted with Barnes bullets more then I was. I hated those bullets because they were so inconsistant and troublesome. Through the evolution of the product I saw them improve quite a lot. I have 200 loaded as my "go to load" in the 30/06 and about 200 for the 458 Lott which I have been using for 5-6 years now. If there were an "agenda" I would still be bashing them.
What I post here is not from some agenda I have but rather from "gut feel" based on a hella lotta field experience. When something sucks, you won't see me beat around the bush. When it's great I won't keep it a secret either. We'll all see what happens with the new 375 cartridge togther.

I was just making a light hearted joke about the "I'll keep a copy of this post for later" thing. Don't sweat it.........my pathetic attempts at humour always seem to get me in some kind of trouble here!

KK I sent you a PM I don't want to get off topic here

JJ-no harm no foul-if you were truly trying to be funny I aplogize for coming out at the bell swinging. I read it wrong I guess.

One big issue I see with these forums is that I lack the face to face to truly read what is being said. If that makes sense.

I am going down to pick up my 70/375 Wby now so ave a good day! And it will feed...grins

Mark D

Jim, again you're making a lot of assumptions based on... well, I'm not sure what!

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"feed or eject like the 375HH with flawless dependabilty."

Say's who?

Like I said, I've had TWO M70 375's both of which needed tweaking to feed properly. Many M70's will run the long H&H cartridges right into the extractor cutout, hanging up, unless tuned. Many think the M70 geometry isn't apporpriate to the H&H length cartridges... I tend to think the argument has some merit based on what I've seen.

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"I base that on the short mag designs I have seen up to now. Their feeding really sucks from those I have seen, and the guys I know who bought them. Do a search on this very site. It's not a secret."

So you are basing your idea on the WSM's even though they're absolutely nothing alike!

As an aside, I've had FOUR 300 WSM's including one of the first from Winchester. I was probably the first one here on 24hr to point out the pitfalls of the design in relation to feeding back in 2001... do a search.

You know, having a shorter action doesn't save all that much weight, and a 375 H&H class chambering shouldn't be a featherweight anyway. Further, this 375/338 Win will need to be in a long action anyway. I won't need to be in the oversized actions like the CZ Safari, Ruger Rigby, or Mk 5, but then again, neither does a 375 H&H.

Having said that, the 375/338 will be a fine round. It will feed just fine and performance will be on par with the 375 H&H. Who knows if it will catch on. It had better become more popular than the 376 Steyer...........

Exchanged some thoughtful PM's with JJ since it seems like we're all talking past each other here.

Bottom line... no stinking cartridge is worth a public misunderstanding!

JJ's a good guy...

Yep JJ and I got it all sorted via PM, he and Brad are good fellas...look out for that Mark D fella though...grins

Mark D

Yeah! Even more so in some of the other forums.

Glad you guys shook hands.

Back to something someone said earlier in this thread about the shape of the .375 H&H case and length of cordite strands....

I don't load with Cordite, obviously, but I Googled it earlier today, and it seems to me the idea isn't without merit.

Cordite was extruded, and so it could be cut to any length. But in order to get enough into the case to get the velocity they wanted, they could either go with a long, skinny case - with long strands - or a short, fat one, with a greater number of shorter strands.

But I don't know what the thinking was at the time about the burn rate and pressures of fewer long strands, versus more, but shorter strands.

Getting a headache, now. I think we need a chemist.

- TJM

Absolutely!

Ok back to the good stuff.

If the Ruger comes out and has a bit of weight to the tube (.65" to .67") I will pick one up and give it a run. I've heard thru the grapevine (thanks Mac) that Bansner makes a handle for a Ruger.

If they do I and Mac will build a corporate rifle (I just love spending his $ 4 him).

Heck if it works we'll even borrow it, and or is it loan it to JJ for him to take it accross the pond and give it a go. He may have to take us with him though......grins

Seriously though I love the short and stout ones (rifles that is) and this lil 20" Ruger in a Bansner with a straight 4X or my 3X Leo would/could be a heck of a neat rig!

I will of course need to put on a bit more optic for the chuck season though.

Make it your best day!

Dober

Mark,
I am with you on this one......seems like it could be made into a neat little package (for a 375 package <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Hope they will think of us lefties on this one. Could be my first Ruger in almost 15 years!