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WOW.... I guess you deserve a cookie... Thanks for solidifying the emotional comment...

If Leupy made a better product than what I own now I'd own them... If somebody else made something better I'd own those... I've given Leupold a run... Tried to like em... They don't last for ME... They may work for everyone else on the planet but if I can't use them then they are of no use to me and I will share MY experiences with them as I wish...

If Leupy's were such great scopes why would a guy have to install a worthless reticle and cheesey (not to be confused with Cheetohs) 1/3 MOA turrets to pimp them... The product can't stand on its own...It's not good enough for Captain Spray Tan to use as is... Shocking...

I don't owe you, or anyone else for that matter, anything at all... I was lucky enough to trip the VX3 before it fell apart... I do have a Mark 4 fixed 6x on the way to satisfy my curiosity on just how far a 6x will take me... If it happens to chit the bed before I'm done with it you are more than welcome to have it... Though the fixed 4's were pretty tough so don't hold your breathe... I'd hate to see you get red in the face.... Oh wait...

elkhuntinguide,

My experience with Burris is the same. Burris was all I used and sold for years. Then they started failing. I no longer will use one. It's like a pox on me and Burris to be together.

You're so full of Schit it's spewing out your ears. No offense

My attachment to Leupold isn't emotional, but IS completely RESULT oriented .............

Mark 4 6.5-20 LR ERT FFP







VX3 6.5-20 LR 40mm



Mark 4 M5 A2 6.5-20




Mark 4 M5 A2 6.5-20

840 yards




Mark 4 M5 A2 6.5-20 at every range imaginable in every condition imaginable...





VX2 6-18 LRVD

[img]http://i379.photobucket.com/al...A9-7498-4A4C-A5E5-C0307F5E3446.jpg[/img]


VX3 6.5-20 LR 40mm

760 yards

[img]http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo236/rcamuglia/Ibex030.jpg[/img]


VX2 6-18 LRVD

[img]http://i379.photobucket.com/al...052866E2-5495-000009C4A2D8EF2C.jpg[/img]


And my fave with the same POS scope that doesn't track or return to zero...


[img]http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo236/rcamuglia/c99227b0.jpg[/img]








There's so many more that I might get emotional

And why are you addressing me with your comments SFB's ?

Quoted ehg. Not directed to you at all.

Unruffle your panties!

Just don't be telling everyone. Averaged about 80rnds per.

Scopes went on the collimator and adjustments were verified. Mounted and shot through breakin.

Of course others were run for a bit longer.

This is the optic on my .264 Win today. It was a return from a famous gunbuilder because it would not "track". I decided to test it and it worked OK for my use. Never been back to Leupold

7mm Rem Mag Barrel




750 yds with the 7mm Mag barrel.



Lots of round later the 7mm Barrel died.

New .264 Win Mag Barrel and miraculously the scope was right back on "track".

760yds, on video.



780yds on this Buck.



450yds. Better buck than I am used too.



Still workin.

[img]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/DSC_0031_zpsb800cb05.jpg[/img]

4 digits on the range finder. (1000yds)

[img]http://i1205.photobucket.com/a...0131119_093023_844_zpsc130453a.jpg[/img]

Darn still workin perfectly.

[img]http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/DSC00068_zpsf27f7de1.jpg[/img]

Latest picture I have is my bull this year. 550yds.

[img]http://i1205.photobucket.com/a...014%20Elk/DSC01214_zpse1929bae.jpg[/img]

Scope has 2 more elk (575 yds and 40 yds) this year and the barrel is running up on the 2K mark.

I rather expect any day now the scope will explode and poke my eye out but it sure seems to be doing OK up to this point.



Cool. You got it all figured, except, as the OP you couldn't figure out how to actually watch the videos you posted or to figure out how compensate for click values that don't match specs.

Sharing that kind of "experience" might not be as great as you imagine. But rock on as you are on a roll.

It is also worth saying that you did not "share MY experience" in the OP but instead posted others videos.



The non emotion in there is striking, Captain Spray Tan . I like the passion. I might recommend redirecting.



Well actually you did agree to run that VX3 to failure and then send it to me. As you admit you were unable to get it to fail. Seems simple to me but ,bluntly, not surprising as nobody has been willing to let me test a supposed "broken" VX3.

I didn't respond to your OP to start a pissing match but that stupid statement about all VX3s fail was just too dumb to leave stand.

You don't like Leupold, we get it. Some of us, using Leupold, have done way more than you in hunting situations.

that was a pretty interesting test. I sure would love to see more scopes tested like the vortex pst series along with the SWFA super sniper line. bottom line if you want tracking just buy a nightforce. There isn't anything better that I have seen at any price point. I loved that test because it got rid of the shooter and the accuracy of the rifle.

bryan litz on applied ballistics said he has never seen enough tracking error with nightforce to make a difference to even bother with correcting for. However the leupold he tested had a 4% tracking error.

you guys that are leupold lovers. quit denying facts it is what it is. both the leupolds in that test IMO failed the tracking test. Really in my mind bushnell and nightforce were the only ones that passed.

Another great showing to solidify the emotional attachment to an inanimate product... I doubt one would pull out the family photo album with pics of holes in paper, dead animals with yardage tags and pics of a self built shrine of how awesome you think you are to show what a great product you own and attempt to awe the masses of its/your awesomeness...

You could probably place well entering a high jump match with midgets as well... Still not impressive by any means...

Which were the two scopes you just sent recently to Leupold for repairs that failed you and your awesomeness...

The pics do nothing for proof of your "Champion' scope's durability, tracking, zero retention or anything else you are hoping to accomplish here... Leupold has a high failure rate for those that truly use a scope as said scope was designed or marketed... That is a given... For most a leupold is a great scope and may serve them well... Thats fine... For others it's pure junk plain and simple...

There was no emotion in my post(s) either way... I understand you sell Leupold and will jump at the chance to prove its awesomeness... I would expect that from a salesman... Your pics and videos, although quite cute,don't impress the least bit...

I didn't start this thread to have a Leupy fight, nor did I claim the video's as MY own... I am posting from my phone in a bad service area thus the reason I had trouble watching them, and I do now how to compensate for click values that don't match specs but why would a guy spending 2k on an optic want to deal with it... IMO thats a failure in itself but YMMV...

I shared my experience with the Leupy variable failures I have had... Every variable I have owned has failed at one time or another except the 2.5-8...Which in time would have done the same... I traded it for the Mark 4 6x, to this day I have not had a major failure of a fixed Leupy... One had tracking issues and was repaired and has since been sold...

I have no hate for Leupy... I had invested a large amount (to me) in their scopes and additional amounts in turret/reticle changes and could not see dumping more cash into a product that consistently fails...

I'll ask again.... If Leupy's were such great scopes why would a guy have to install a worthless reticle and cheesey (not to be confused with Cheetohs) 1/3 MOA turrets to pimp them... The product can't stand on its own... You seemed to miss that question...

You may have accomplished more using a Leupold than I have using a Leupold but don't pull a muscle trying to pat yourself on the back for your accomplishments.... You have no Idea of what I have accomplished or could you ever... That is a fact...

Well, thanks for thinking I'm awesome

The pics were posted simply to illustrate results of using Leupold optics. I'm positive that anyone else who can shoot would have the same results using the same optics.

You're statement says that my ability can overcome poor equipment which is a nice compliment, but not true





This is the first thing I've seen you post that's true



Actually it's the scope used to shoot the two awesome groups in the first two awesome pictures...a Mark 4 6.5-20 LR ERT FF TMR.



I chose to show those examples of the awesome results I've had with Leupold simply because it happened within the last awesome week of my awesome life. As you can see, Leupold did an awesome job of repairing it



Only someone with a true emotional hard on for a particular outcome could say that while looking at undeniable results obtained with the product. The pictures are IN FACT proof the scope's durability, tracking, zero retention.




I think those folks for whom Leupold scopes have worked well probably can shoot...for those that think Leupold is junk probably can't shoot.

It's a lot easier to blame the optic than to admit a complete lack of awesomeness

All you need is 8000.00 dollars.

+1
Thanks for the informative test EHG.
Spot on results.


dave

RC, I am sure you are a better competitive shot than I am, but that doesn't mean that I am incapable of detecting tracking issues. I used leupolds for a number of years before switching to Nighforce NXS and then to S&B.
In my experience S&B is the finest scope I have ever used and that includes Zeis Davari and US Optics. The lowlight ability of S&B has to be seen to be believed. Coupled with extremely precise tracking and renown reliability as well as resolution comparable to top spotting scopes and you become spoiled.

Yep. No question whatsoever that the S&B's are great scopes. Most of the guys in the top 50 of all precision shooters are using them.

You've seen me post about the scopes I use and the fact that the Mark 4 M5 A2's on my target rifles are the best functioning scopes that my gunsmith has ever seen in over 25 years of mounting and testing scopes.

What that means is that the scope was tested in a similar fashion to what is seen in the videos in the OP. The scope was dialed and actual movement of the reticle was checked and compared to what was dialed. These particular scopes are perfect in every way, all the way to the end of travel where the knob bottoms out and stops.

The value dialed is exactly the value the reticle moves for the entire length of its travel.

I'm kind of a "if it's not broke, don't fix it" type of guy.

Plus the fact that they are 1/2 of the price of S&B...

Your not alone in that.
Longevity has always been an issue.
Build quality, chi-com parts.
Might work great out of the gate but in the long run,you will get burned.And more than likely at the worst possible time.
dave

You guys are really selling Rick Ham-uglia short on his amazing shooting skills. I mean do you guys have any idea how much skill is involved in guessing how much erector shift he deals with, compensating for same and still make hits on steel plates ? And Burns....Burns can make leg shots on Elk at hundreds and hundreds of yards and still smile for the photo op too........I'm truly not worthy.

Wow.

I guess if I used Steiner, I'd rule the World

I'd call you an idiot, but that would be an insult to all idiots

No offense taken as I think you're a jerk-off as well.

Classic.

dave

Very interesting John. Any of those scopes VX-3's ?
I had a chance to shoot with one of the local sheriff's TAC Squad guys not long ago. About 2/3's of them were shooting fancy looking AR-10 rifles with Leupold VX-3's. Hunting scopes, not Mk.4 scopes.
They worked as they should.
BTW, in Kalifornia, any police sniper must shoot his rilfe at least once a month. He must record the weather conditions, and note exactly where his first and last round hit. If he shows up in court over any shots he took, he must be able to prove the rifle was properly zeroed, etc. E

Do you know how I know when the other fella knows he don't really know what he thought he knew but his ego won't let him let it go??

It is classic, in so much as it is a predictable outcome in these types of threads.


WTF are you yappin about???