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However, hold an 8400 30-06 MT in your hands and an 84L 30-06 MT in your hands and it's like holding Rosie O'Donell vs Audrey Hepburn...
That's a good one. Thanks
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I read somewhere, here on the 'fire perhaps, that three shot groups are, well, ugh, tell us little. Which one is the flier? 
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of Kimber Montana's produced most of which only shoot average or sub par groups I'm glad to see a couple of you got one that shoots decent.
If everyone on this site posted groups shot by rifles costing MUCH less there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to show them all.
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of Kimber Montana's produced most of which only shoot average or sub par groups I'm glad to see a couple of you got one that shoots decent.
If everyone on this site posted groups shot by rifles costing MUCH less there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to show them all.
But if you then filtered the list to rifles that carry as well in the mountains, fit and point as well, had controlled round feed, three position safety, etc., the list would get pretty short.
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of Kimber Montana's produced most of which only shoot average or sub par groups I'm glad to see a couple of you got one that shoots decent.
If everyone on this site posted groups shot by rifles costing MUCH less there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to show them all.
But if you then filtered the list to rifles that carry as well in the mountains, fit and point as well, had controlled round feed, three position safety, etc., the list would get pretty short. Actually that list would include exactly 1 riffle. Kimber 84M/L Montana! No other production rifle has a petite, ultra-lightweight crf action with 3-pos safety and one of the very best, if not THE best, production closed trigger on the market. Try to find a crf action the weight of the Kimber 84M/L at any price. Add a laid (not chopped) fiberglass stock with aluminum pillars and 1" decelerator pad. Call the stock $550. Call the bbl'd action $550. That's $1100, which is what they can be bought for new. Now go try to replicate it for that price. I double dog dare ya! NOT POSSIBLEThe Kimber MT is THE best value in a lightweight production rifle there is. Nothing comes close. And BTW, Kimber America hasn't made rifles in the multiple 100's of thousands. They "might" have reached a bit over 125,000 with all models. I've had 16 different Montana's and could put up similar groups with all of them. Not one didn't have at least one bullet weight/style that would shoot like the 150 NBT groups I've posted. I'm just sorry for those that can't shoot a lightweight rifle... and/or are too impatient to find out what their rifle likes, or are too stubborn or cheap to try a variety of bullets.
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of Kimber Montana's produced most of which only shoot average or sub par groups I'm glad to see a couple of you got one that shoots decent.
If everyone on this site posted groups shot by rifles costing MUCH less there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to show them all.
But if you then filtered the list to rifles that carry as well in the mountains, fit and point as well, had controlled round feed, three position safety, etc., the list would get pretty short. Actually that list would include exactly 1 riffle. Kimber 84M/L Montana! No other production rifle has a petite, ultra-lightweight crf action with 3-pos safety and one of the very best, if not THE best, production closed trigger on the market. Try to find a crf action the weight of the Kimber 84M/L at any price. Add a laid (not chopped) fiberglass stock with aluminum pillars and 1" decelerator pad. Call the stock $550. Call the bbl'd action $550. That's $1100, which is what they can be bought for new. Now go try to replicate it for that price. I double dog dare ya! NOT POSSIBLEThe Kimber MT is THE best value in a lightweight production rifle there is. Nothing comes close. And BTW, Kimber America hasn't made rifles in the multiple 100's of thousands. They "might" have reached a bit over 125,000 with all models. I've had 16 different Montana's and could put up similar groups with all of them. Not one didn't have at least one bullet weight/style that would shoot like the 150 NBT groups I've posted. I'm just sorry for those that can't shoot a lightweight rifle... and/or are too impatient to find out what their rifle likes, or are too stubborn or cheap to try a variety of bullets. Say it ain't so! Oh how I hate reality. 
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Say it ain't so! Oh how I hate reality. So true... misinformed rants are so much easier. 
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Out of the hundreds of thousands of Kimber Montana's produced most of which only shoot average or sub par groups I'm glad to see a couple of you got one that shoots decent.
If everyone on this site posted groups shot by rifles costing MUCH less there wouldn't be enough bandwidth to show them all.
I'd love to see someone build a rifle costing MUCH less that is comparable to a Kimber Montana. Ain't happening. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I'd love to see someone build a rifle costing MUCH less that is comparable to a Kimber Montana.
Ain't happening.
Travis
The Cliff Notes version. Nicely said.
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Are these groups you guys are showing with the Montana's at 100 yards?
How do they do when you wring them out at 400-600 yards?
Thanks - Greg, my 308 with 155's did some pretty good things at 300-500 yards. No sub 1/2 MOA barn burners, but reliably around MOA or a bit better off a pack and rear rest. There's 2 groups on this plate after an elevation change to bring POI closer to center... 500 yards.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m545/Tanner_Coulter/9EB5A789-BC4B-4CC6-83AA-A55872DC2732_zpssemv1yyv.jpg) Tanner
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Please......If you want to discuss LIGHT WEIGHT a NULA is lighter. If you want to discuss ACCURACY lots of brands costing a LOT LESS than a Montana are just as accurate and many are more accurate.
I've got a $250 Steven 200 in 223 that will embarass most Montana's when it comes to accuracy.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid and convince yourselves how great your Kimbers are. Been ther done that. I wised up.
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Anybody that hunts and enjoys rifles should own at least one Kimber Montana.
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
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Please......If you want to discuss LIGHT WEIGHT a NULA is lighter. If you want to discuss ACCURACY lots of brands costing a LOT LESS than a Montana are just as accurate and many are more accurate.
I've got a $250 Steven 200 in 223 that will embarass most Montana's when it comes to accuracy.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid and convince yourselves how great your Kimbers are. Been ther done that. I wised up. A NULA is twice the cost of a Montana and hardly a production rifle. If you want to talk ACCURACY of lightweight rifles, the first order of business would be to take that POS Stevens and throw it in the trash. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Please......If you want to discuss LIGHT WEIGHT a NULA is lighter. If you want to discuss ACCURACY lots of brands costing a LOT LESS than a Montana are just as accurate and many are more accurate.
I've got a $250 Steven 200 in 223 that will embarass most Montana's when it comes to accuracy.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid and convince yourselves how great your Kimbers are. Been ther done that. I wised up. A NULA is twice the cost of a Montana and hardly a production rifle. Travis And the NULA action isn't CRF, doesn't have a 3-pos wing safety, isn't stainless, and its Timney trigger isn't as good as the Kimbers IMO. And yeah, costs one hell of a lot more. Actually 3x as much. I think this guys posts on this subject fall under the category "unencumbered by actual thinking."
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Anybody that hunts and enjoys rifles should own at least one Kimber Montana. Nicely said.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Nice Tanner.
I miss my 308 MT so much a guy from the campfire was kind enough to send it back to me in the exchange for a fair price.
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Nice Tanner.
I miss my 308 MT so much a guy from the campfire was kind enough to send it back to me in the exchange for a fair price. And that's why the Campfire is, what it is...
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.”
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Anybody that hunts and enjoys rifles should own at least one Kimber Montana. Maybe you can ring them up and have them turn a run out in left hand.
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