Mr Eric ,Im the same way BUT my hat is off to a man with a safe full of NIB guns! Not my bag, I think I have now scoped and hunt,enjoy 4 or 5 NIB guns, I do not run out in foul weather to hunt them and I do take very good care of them BUT had it not been for these NIB, white glove guys I would not have been able to buy them! Some of these guys are to old to hunt and this is their passion. To each his on.... This is America (for now)! very best WinPoor