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Hi Guys.

Been out for a long time, divorcing is a pretty harrassing and time devouring business (but now it's just business)

Been to the gunshop yesterday on my way to a friend's home and spotted some WWII rifles in very good condition. One is a strange "US Gov Property" N°4 MK1 Lee Enfield and the other 1 a M1 Garand.

What do you think about using one of those for hunting, mostly for the drives ?

I've heard the Garand require only very specific loads ??? Could not load it with modern powder and Barnes bullets ?

I never used those peep sight, on of my friends did in the military and doesn't like them for fast moving targets. I think I could manage it from the tests I made in the shop but would have some experienced hunting advices with such sights.

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You should be able to load it with 4895, 3031, 4064 for starters. Barnes bullets shouldn't be a problem either.

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Bullet weight will need to be 175 grain or less and no powder slower then 4320. Hornady manuals have specific M1 data. I use one for hunting at times. I works well.

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i know a lot of guys that used m1's in europe to hunt with back in ww2 (get it?) you wont have any problem. but just remember, fire and kiss your brass goodbye. and your clip!


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GV, Vihta Vuori N135 and N150 are within the pressure curve parameters for the M1 Garand and a 165 grain to 175 grain spitzer soft point would be a good bullet. Go forth and slay!!


added: Aperture sights are very fast to acquire and use but you need to practice keeping both eyes open.

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Any Germans hunting from bell towers may become very nervous seeing you.


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I've shot a fair amount with Garands. And mostly pigs. I've dumped 3 pigs in one run when they were at a turned over deer feeder and I snuck up on em. First head, second on the run back of head, third through shoulders.

Then followed the other 2 until I caught em crossing a creek and dropped both of them.

That with some cheap factory 125 WW soft points I had found.

Generally have used it with 165 bullets though and some old powder like H380 burn rate that was surplus powder. No issues.


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Jeff, all true,HOWEVER powder availability in Belgium is a tad different than us. Vihta Vuori IS commonly available both in Europe AND the USA. The manuals have data for VV powder N135 and N150 for the Garand.


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Thanks guys for your advices smile

Seems like I'm doomed and maybe the russian boars too :p

As Jim said Vitha powder are probably easier to find in my area ;-)

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I took a few pics in the shop

Maybe different from what you have on shop walls in the US.

No ARs but lots of German and Liege guns, many double rifles and shotguns, Browning BARs, straight pull action as well as classical bolt actions.

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Yah, I know that on powder, I was just rambling as usual, IE I don't have load data with Viht.

But the right burn rate and their load data all should be just fine.


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I shot practice matches with the Garand through most of one summer using Speer 125 gr TNT hollowpoint bullets over a light load of H4895.

I do not know which comparable powders would be available in your location.

The load mentioned above operated the rifle well, and was very pleasant to shoot in extended practice sessions. For hunting, a charge of IMR or H 4895 (or similar powder) sufficient to push a 150 gr Barnes to 2800 fps would be hard to beat.


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If they are original to the rifle, the rear handguard clip and sights indicate (obviously) a WWII rifle. The Op-rod is straight-cut flat side, but the barreled action would have to be removed from the stock to see if the relief cut is there.

It's possible there's quite a bit of history in that rifle.

I presently have two, an HRA and an IHC. Both '53 manufacture, so they're not WWII rifles.

The HRA is a "correct grade" rifle, and I have torn it down to confirm it as so. It is a low-mileage rifle, but I occasionally fire it.

The IHC I bought as a non-functioning item and have restored it to a functioning state with a total mixture of parts. Aftermarket stock, SA internals, gas cylinder, and bolt. PB sights and Op-rod. The barrel is Criterion. I shoot this one quite a bit. Interesting enough, the receiver a rare "Arrowhead", but I'm not going to spend the money to correct it.

I am loading my ammo now with N135. It's a good powder, as is N140. I use 150 grain bullets, FMJ for blasting, and Speer Hot-Cor spitzers for hunting.

HRA on the bottom, IHC on the top.

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seen a M1 being used as a rifle for hunting in the Phillipines, even after water buffalo....believe Boddington is who i saw the video of....


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In my experience 47.1 grains of VV140 and a 168 Sierra is the most accurate load in my rifle. I shoot it in the CMP matches and across the course in NRA High Power. It is a X6 million National Match gun.

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My M1 is within 100,000 of the s/n my dear old dad carried in the Battle of the Bulge, and is all "correct". I've shot the devil out of that beautiful weapon and have killed many deer with it. 47.0 grains of 4064 behind a Sierra 168 produces little bitty groups, and very dead deer. Good luck!


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in one year i loaded and shot nearly 2500 rounds in practice and competition out to 600 yards with my garand. they are very accurate and the sights are awesome and repeatable. the factory soft point ammo is loaded with too slow/too hot pressures for the long op rod to sustain. i used handloads exclusively. my garand has been "built" with a krieger barrel and shoots in the .3's. i have harvested a lot of game with a 30-06 including wolf, deer and elk.

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The Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk1 is probably made by Savage Arms, for the Lend-Lease program between the US and Britain during the Second World War.

The US ordered rifles built to British specifications for delivery to England, but not used by the US military in any way.

The M1 Garand has been covered thoroughly by the other posters.


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RE sights, you must be lucky, I 've yet to have a Garand or M1A that had perfect sights, dial indicator always showed at least 1 or 2 clicks off distance wise from the rest. Even with NM sights. Enough so that as I got really decent, it irritated me at 600...


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