I use 100 grain field tips and 100 grain slick tricks. shooting bullet holes through paper at 8 yds with both. Broadheads are shooting about 4 inches higher than field tips at 30 yds. Is there any way to get these closer together??? thanks for any help.

You might try putting weighted washers behind the broadhead...they are the same size of your shaft.

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These will make your broad heads slightly heavier and on mark with your field points....probably....worth a try

4" is a ton of difference. I don't think washers will work. At that distance you could shoot a 125 grain field points and not be 4" from your broadhead. I would guess you are getting some type of planing with your broadhead......

Im saying its more of a tuning issue. Paper tuning is ok but there are more precise methods of tuning a bow. Usually broadheads will either shoot to the left or right. Right indicates a weak spine arrow and left indicates a stiff spine arrow. My Monster shoots 362fps thru a chrono and it shoots fixed blades incredibly well.

I'm with Mark ..tuning problem..

If you are still getting good groups at all yardages I would just move your pins. If you change anything you are gonna have to sight in anyway. You might also try paper tuning at a farther distance. I've gotten good tears at one distance, backed up and then had a horrible tear.

4" at 30 yards, just move the rest down a bit. The broadheads will catch a bit more air and cause them to drift a bit high. A very small rest change should have you hitting the same with broadheads and field points.

I agree with centershot. You should try adjusting your rest in small increments.

10-4 on the rest adjustment. Also try shooting the paper in close to see what it's doing. I like to shoot paper about 5' from the bow as well as 10-12'. The holes may be bullet holes at one distance and tears at another in some cases.

Broadheads fly different... I thought they all did. I just sight in for the real deal.

If you get the spine right, then broadheads and field points can hit in the same spot. Makes it really nice to practice.

Try tuning your broadheads to line up with your fletchings. To do this you might need new arrows. Just put the broadhead on the insert when you glue them in and line up the blades with the flecthings. It might be the ticket.

You can't always "tune away" your broadhead differences. Sight in with your broadheads and don't worry about the difference. Flinch

My friends all bought slick tricks for a Colorado elk hunt at the advice of the local pro shop. The short profile was supposed to make them fly like a field point. Everyone had tuning issues. Nobody brought them to Colorado, and nobody is using them now. They're a sore issue with them. The President of a big archery company who makes broadheads told me that no fixed blade broadhead will tune well over 260 feet per second. I shoot 298 fps avg with 100 grain Spitfire expandable broadheads. They land exactly as my field points do out to 40 yards, and I've killed dozens of deer with them. Just something to think about, but if your bow is fast, you might not get them to tune anyway.

Your big name archery guy needs to get out and shoot more. Slick Tricks shoot exceptionally well in every bow and at every speed I have shot them at, even over 300 fps. Hence my previous statement, you site in with your broadheads, instead of trying to tune everything to shoot like your field points. You don't hunt with field points. Flinch

I just picked up my Grizztricks on Friday and was shooting them this past weekend. To be honest, I wasn't expecting them to hit close to where my field tips were hitting. I shot at 20 yards and the arrow hit just a tad high so i shot again and this time I hit almost exactly where my field tips were hitting. I moved back to 30 and 40 yards with the saem results.

A minor adjustment to my sights and now my broadheads are shooting the same as my field tips. I like the way these fly so much I am going to order 3 more packs.

Flinch, the guy I was referring to is the President of NAP, the guys who make Thunderheads, Spitfires, Shockwaves, Razorbaks... 19 Broadheads in fact, and he lives and breathes archery. I know first hand 3 people who could not get Slick Tricks to shoot and have given them away. One went to Tekkan heads, and the other 2 went to Spitfires. The Tekkan guy switched to Spitfires last season. He was an archery pro for Thompson's Sport Shop since back when compound bows were invented. The two of us do all the bow tuning and arrow building and such for our Rod and Gun club. I have shot Muzzy's, Razorbaks, Thunder Heads, Rockey Mountain Razors, and Spitfires in the 24 seasons I've bowhunted. The last 15+ years, I've used Spitfires. I've shot over 60 deer with them, and my best friend Joe has shot over 300 and most have been with Spitfires. A 100 grain head cuts an inch and a half hole and they fly exactly like a field point. Every other broadhead I've ever shot, I've had to tune (except for Razorbaks because they spin). Back then, I had 2 sight bars for my bow: one for field points, and one for broadheads. All of us did, and I'm glad to have a nice expensive Spot Hogg sight with all the whistles and bells that I can leave on my bow.

Hey rob p,

Have you had instances of the expanded mechanicals breaking off and leaving pieces of blade in the meat? I shoot rocket steelheads, and can see that happening at close range if you hit bone.

Thanks.

forepaw

Hi,

Try lower your arrow rest a little until both shoot at the same place.

I'm shooting 318fps and my 100gr Slick Tricks hit at the same point as my 100gr field tips all the way out to 60yds.

Damn, I wish I had read your post before I made a slight adjustment to my arrow rest, I wouldn't have wasted 10 minutes of my time. Oh well, guess I'll have to stick with my crappy fixed blades.

Edited to add that I was able to accomplish the same thing with 100gr Muzzy's. Damn fixed blades.

He shoots plenty and he is correct no broad tunes well over 260 fps. It does not mean you can not hit the same spot with both broad heads and field points it is just more difficult at higher speeds than 260.

Never said he didn't shoot plenty. Also never said I had anything against expandable broadheads. I just don't care for broad generalizations implying you can't get fixed blades to tune properly if your shooting over 260fps.

Maybe it is more difficult, although with 3 different personal bows, two brands of broadheads, and 4 other bows belonging to close friends, we've never had a problem getting them to shoot true with minor adjustments (somtimes no adjustments were even needed). Maybe we've been the exception rather than the rule...

IMHO anyone that shoots expandables just hasn't shot them long enough to have a disaster....

That being said Flinch hit the nail on the head, you tune for and shoot broadheads, thats what you hunt with, then I accept whatever field points do.

Anything else doesn't make much sense to me at all. Simply think about what you do with firearms and it translates.

Anyone that can't tune a good fixed blade head has either some equipment issues or tuning issues.

To top all that off, I'm still of the opinion that speed is not the end all to archery... I doubt my bow shoots over 250 if that much and its killed about everything I've pointed it towards. That being said I had a 300 fps bow once... and shot Zwickey 4 blade Deltas from it. If that can tune, then I'd think about anything could tune.

Hope I"m never talked into trying expandables again.

I liken it to guys that want their varmint bullets in their big game rifles to shoot to the same point of aim as their big game bullets. Uggg....makes no sense what so ever. It's nice when it happens, but spending days and weeks tuning is very counter productive. I can't remember the last time I shot field points. My bow is always sited in and ready to go with broadheads. If a rabbit, grouse, coyote runs across the back yard, he gets a broadhead in the gizzard. ;o) Flinch

When I started bow hunting in 1985 or thereabouts, expandables were not legal here. I shot them in Connecticut though starting about 3 years later. For many years, I had two sights for my bows: everyone who shot 3D's and hunted did. My best friend, a sponsored shooter for Darton, and maybe the best shot I've ever seen and I went to Fish and Game public meetings and lobbied for legalizing expandables here. The deer biologist Lori Gibson (I am a certified wildlife biologist and applied for the job myself) felt that they were not reliable. The early ones, like Puckett's blood trailers (guess what my last name is) weren't that sturdy. Wasps, Spitfires, Satellites, Shockwaves, Rockets... were a lot better. We picked Spitfires because you don't need a little O-ring to secure the blades. Every year, we'd all go to Connecticut and shoot deer where they were issuing unlimited doe tags to control damage. I shot 4 in 5 minutes one day. My friend Joe and I (mostly Joe) would take 20+ a season off a 30 acre property. We knew expandable broadheads worked, but we couldn't convince Lori. I never broke a blade or had one fail but could not convince the right people. Eventually they were legalized, along with in line muzzle loaders, scopes, sabot rounds and such. Too many deer and not enough hunters caused a lot of hunter friendly decisions to go through. We have had a Sportsman's package where, for about a hundred bucks, a resident can buy 11 tags. We all bow hunt, that's a given. We all started out with something else. I like to shoot and like the idea that I can screw on broadheads and hunt, go home and screw on field points and shoot the Rhineharts and screw the broadheads back on and put the arrows back in my case.

As to tuning issues, I read someone say "I don't like generalizations." I'm quoting the President of a company that makes what 19 different broadheads. I've had issues with fixed blade heads and Rick (the archery pro from Thompson's) and I have had several conversations with him on the subject. I have near 25 years experience bow hunting and shooting competition. I do not have the resources that he does and respect his advice, enough to pass it on.

You can always count on rost495 for exemplary advice when it comes to bowhunting.

First, go to an 85-grain FIELD TIP and see how much that pulls the gap together.

Remember; IT's ALL ABOUT BROADHEAD FLIGHT if you are a bowhunter. All remaining is just practice.

Note: FOBs will stabilize a ROCK on the end of your shaft, regardless of how fast that shaft is moving. If you can make that leap, it's a positive one.

Taylor

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