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Posted By: ChaseA1 Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/23/20
I have a 760 carbine 30-06 and it does not like factory loads even at short range I know it cannot burn all of the powder so I’ll have to reload for it give me some ideas with some powder/bullets.
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃
What types of ammo have you used?
You may be making a huge leap and assumption when you are blaming the factory loads for inaccuracy in a 760. There are too many 'youth size' rifles and carbines out there that happily digest all manner of factory loads. Over the years, I don't know how many articles have been written, showing that short barrels and relatively slow powders are NOT a problem. Check your bore after firing, I'd be awful surprised if you found any unburned powder in the bore. The 760 by it's design, is a difficult rifle to shoot off a bench, untuned triggers are terrible, wobbly forend, barrel is a slip fit in the action, 2 piece stock, there are 3 or 4 different bbls in the history of the 760...Remington trying to get it right, please don't be offended, they are a fine hunting tool...but don't expect too much.
No insult intended of your experience. When you shoot the 760 off a bench, grip the rifle, fore and aft in your hands firmly, the front hand resting on the front bag, do not let the barrel touch the bag...don't let the forened rest on the bag, it will be in your hand which will rest on the bag. Try to pull the long gritty trigger straight to the rear directly in line with the thumb web. With the sloppy forend it is very easy to bias the rifle in the horizontal plane by a careless trigger pull. There is more , but I've already pissed you off i'm sure.
Posted By: Sam_H Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/23/20
Originally Posted by flintlocke
No insult intended of your experience. When you shoot the 760 off a bench, grip the rifle, fore and aft in your hands firmly, the front hand resting on the front bag, do not let the barrel touch the bag...don't let the forened rest on the bag, it will be in your hand which will rest on the bag. Try to pull the long gritty trigger straight to the rear directly in line with the thumb web. With the sloppy forend it is very easy to bias the rifle in the horizontal plane by a careless trigger pull.


ChaseA1, Please do not take offense at this. We don't know your level of familiarity. What flintlocke says is correct, and some of the best advice anyone owning a 760 or 742 will ever receive. To a degree, same advice holds for about any CF rifle with two piece forend/buttstock. It's just that this goes in spades with Remingtons. You can turn a 8 MOA blaster into a sub-2 MOA effective rifle by following his advice. With no change in ammunition. Happy Thanksgiving to you!
In and of itself the carbine length barrel doesn't require special loading combinations for accuracy reasons.
I had the gun in a lead sled I had the scope zoomed in all the way to nine and I’m shooting at 50 yards at a piece of paper no wind nothing I made sure the scope was not lose or the mounts and it seems to have not shot but like a 3 inch 4” group at 50 yards and I know that is not right
Sure, but it isn't because of the barrel length.
First thing I would try is a different scope.
Posted By: Sam_H Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/23/20
Ditch the lead sled. Use thick leather gloves or similar padding to deal with that Remington hard buttplate. Grip the forend firm in your hand, don't throttle it. Consistent tension, shot to shot. The hand can rest on bags, but not the barrel or forend. Manage the trigger as flintlocke described. The worst groups I've ever shot with these guns has been off a lead sled. Next worst forend resting on hard sandbags. Can't promise 100%, but has always worked for me. We see 760/742s at our sight-in events (October). They're very popular in Maine. Invariably they won't group until we get the owner to follow the advice.
I’m not pissed I listen to people that know what there talking about and He’s right but I had it lead sled and I actually got two 760 carbines and they both have fire balls when you shoot I’ve tried multiple different ammunition and they both seem to not shoot very good with factory loads I just thought there might be Someone that had have the same experience and found a load that shot pretty good I’m not expecting incredible accuracy but I can’t accept a 4 inch group at 50 yards using a lead sled.
I’ll try what y’all have said

A friend shoots a 7400 cut down to 18” in 30-06. The factory 180gr RN Remington corelokts shoot 1.5” or less from his at 100yds off sand bags.
Quick question: how much experience do you have with a Lead Sled? You wouldn't think so but it actually takes some technique to make them work properly.


Okie John
I have sited in all of my custom Mauser’s in with a lead sled and they shoot very good.
Sighted
I don’t shoot for fun a lot I just shoot to Sight-in my rifles
Oh boy...now I am going to get on your [bleep] list. And I don't really mean to. I have a fairly elaborate shooting shack and range in my yard, for my use and for customers and friends, a great variety of rifles and shooters come here in August and September, of varying experience levels. Have had a few guys show up with their lead sleds usually with teenagers and/or wives to try to save wear and tear on the recoil shy smaller folks. A noble sentiment..but it has yet to translate to good results on target that I can see. Maybe they are using it wrong...but if they ask me for help, I do help, firing 3 to 5 shots with their rifle just using bags and a good shooting coat. Generally...problem solved, rifle, ammo and scope are ok. Of course, sometimes the usual suspects are the problem, loose action screws, bad scope, etc. But my point is...the lead sled, in my experience, is not the 'end all be all' of bench testing. It is just my personal opinion, that an experienced shooter, using good bench technique, using plain old bags and/or rests with a good padded coat will get more satisfactory results. I would imagine that if a person had a lot of time and patience, he could develop a technique that would use the lead sled to it's best advantage. There remains the fact that artillery pieces or rifles need to be allowed to recoil to achieve their finest accuracy....that is why machine rests are so ungodly expensive...the recoil mechanism. Otherwise, you could secure the arm to a 20 ton cement block and get world record groups, but that doesn't happen does it?
But, I feel your pain, 4 inch groups at 50 yards? That is truly epic.
I am understanding better now I have noticed I don’t know if all of the 760s do it but when I Shoot the action opens a little I know that the pump is free when you release the hammer/Pull the trigger but I’m guessing with the fact that The gun is absorbing all of the recoil in the lead sled it may be causing some of the action knock back I guess you could call it
So when y’all say hold the forearm firmly I guess that helps well that too
With not well
Posted By: hanco Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/23/20
If they are close, you can cook em when you shoot!
Chase, back to addressing the content of your original question.
You haven't said much out the intended purpose of this rifle, so I'll presume typical medium games such as deer hunting. With short barrels, you will get some variance regarding what powders perform the best, but typically it's not enough to worry about until you get below standard carbine lengths. Still sometime I go just a bit warmer on short barrels to reduce the fireball and such.

The 150gr NBT will serve well in most roles in your rifle. The biggest problem you would have with this combination is finding a powder that does NOT work. There are many good candidates to choose from. Two I'd consider are CFE-223 and IMR-4895. I would also expect Shooters World Match Rifle to yield good results at only 2/3rd the price.

Here's the list of powders Quick Load predicts to produce velocities of at least 2700fps. Of course, this is simulated data, so start low and work up, but you have a lot to choose from.

Code
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 60.345 grain H2O = 3.918 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

66 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              102.8     60.0     3.89    2902    98.9    59000   14049   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           107.8     58.4     3.78    2880    97.6    59000   13825   0.897  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.6     61.8     4.01    2848    95.1    59000   13694   0.906  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       107.3     59.0     3.83    2846    97.1    59000   13472   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      106.8     59.4     3.85    2844    97.1    59000   13537   0.924  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.7     59.8     3.88    2842    94.1    59000   13629   0.909  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     101.7     59.8     3.88    2842    94.1    59000   13629   0.909  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C                   97.1     58.9     3.82    2842    97.3    59000   13364   0.909  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 104.1     59.2     3.83    2841    96.9    59000   13564   0.917  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        104.4     58.1     3.76    2837    96.4    59000   13332   0.908  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                    96.9     57.4     3.72    2829    98.2    59000   13018   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            96.4     53.7     3.48    2824    98.5    59000   13047   0.921  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     59.2     3.84    2820    98.7    58561   12708   0.910  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      89.5     53.6     3.47    2817    99.7    59000   12494   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            97.0     50.5     3.27    2814   100.0    59000   11916   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       92.0     55.8     3.62    2813    99.2    59000   12799   0.923  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C                       97.7     54.4     3.52    2813    98.4    59000   12888   0.922  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C               97.2     54.1     3.50    2813    98.0    59000   12924   0.921  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       99.4     55.9     3.62    2811    99.1    59000   12825   0.931  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       106.0     60.9     3.95    2803    91.2    59000   13166   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              110.0     65.8     4.26    2803    94.3    51403   14822   0.959  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       93.7     52.1     3.38    2802    98.8    59000   12631   0.921  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            99.2     54.3     3.52    2802    98.3    59000   12491   0.905  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                   92.2     54.8     3.55    2798    98.4    59000   12638   0.917  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        94.0     52.3     3.39    2797    98.4    59000   12629   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        98.5     56.0     3.63    2796    96.7    59000   12869   0.924  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       99.3     54.0     3.50    2794   100.0    59000   12212   0.951  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          94.2     54.0     3.50    2794    99.9    59000   12196   0.933  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        94.2     54.0     3.50    2794    99.9    59000   12196   0.933  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       92.1     54.0     3.50    2794    99.9    59000   12196   0.933  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     60.9     3.94    2789    90.6    57355   13256   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 6,5 StaBall *T*C        104.7     62.7     4.06    2785    98.9    59000   12288   0.906  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         106.2     58.4     3.79    2784    94.4    59000   12894   0.926  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              106.2     58.4     3.79    2784    94.4    59000   12894   0.926  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       93.5     50.9     3.30    2781   100.0    59000   11734   0.955  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C                  90.4     50.6     3.28    2781    99.3    59000   12151   0.917  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision            98.2     53.1     3.44    2780    99.3    59000   12228   0.928  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                          98.2     53.1     3.44    2780    99.3    59000   12228   0.928  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           106.8     59.1     3.83    2778    93.3    59000   12668   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T                   108.8     59.2     3.84    2777    93.2    59000   12674   0.911  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        85.3     51.8     3.35    2777   100.0    59000   11816   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T                   99.6     53.6     3.47    2776    97.8    59000   12336   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         99.3     53.6     3.47    2776    97.8    59000   12336   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C                        94.5     51.7     3.35    2775   100.0    59000   11812   0.925  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        90.3     48.8     3.16    2774   100.0    59000   11491   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         84.9     48.8     3.16    2774   100.0    59000   11491   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.8     64.4     4.17    2773    91.0    59000   12753   0.905  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T               92.2     49.6     3.22    2773   100.0    59000   11008   0.923  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                        92.4     51.4     3.33    2773    99.3    59000   12031   0.917  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           100.4     52.7     3.42    2772    98.0    59000   12202   0.916  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C                  96.8     54.4     3.53    2772   100.0    59000   11925   0.924  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         104.7     57.0     3.69    2770    95.8    59000   12568   0.926  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          104.7     57.0     3.69    2770    95.8    59000   12568   0.926  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C                        95.1     51.8     3.35    2769    99.3    59000   12135   0.932  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 *C                 106.7     56.0     3.63    2766    99.5    59000   11949   0.923  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              110.0     61.2     3.97    2766    90.4    55323   13270   0.931  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C                      91.9     55.1     3.57    2766    96.0    59000   12433   0.918  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T              101.7     55.9     3.62    2761    94.0    59000   12441   0.912  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        88.3     52.7     3.41    2760    99.7    59000   11850   0.937  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       88.0     52.7     3.41    2760    99.7    59000   11850   0.937  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       91.9     51.9     3.36    2760    97.0    59000   12145   0.914  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       110.0     63.9     4.14    2757    90.6    51012   14132   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 *C                 103.1     52.0     3.37    2757   100.0    59000   11145   0.929  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.9     56.4     3.65    2756    93.3    59000   12477   0.922  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     58.6     3.80    2755    96.3    54178   12958   0.956  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       87.7     52.8     3.42    2754    98.9    59000   11864   0.929  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C             89.6     53.2     3.45    2754    98.3    59000   11995   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C                 101.3     54.2     3.51    2752    99.5    59000   11701   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        86.8     51.8     3.35    2751    99.7    59000   11669   0.932  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus              86.8     51.8     3.35    2751    99.7    59000   11669   0.932  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         86.0     49.4     3.20    2745    99.7    59000   11540   0.918  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  90.2     51.1     3.31    2743   100.0    59000   11167   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T              100.6     53.6     3.47    2739    94.2    59000   12076   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle       86.4     51.2     3.32    2739    99.1    59000   11554   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          94.2     51.0     3.30    2738    98.5    59000   11665   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             84.1     49.8     3.23    2737    99.6    59000   11439   0.918  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   91.4     50.1     3.24    2737    99.6    59000   11459   0.918  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C              87.8     46.1     2.99    2733   100.0    59000   10790   0.930  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         93.5     51.4     3.33    2729    98.8    59000   11502   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                       90.4     48.1     3.12    2723   100.0    59000   10720   0.936  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     62.9     4.07    2722    86.0    52736   13338   0.948  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C                        84.2     45.8     2.97    2711   100.0    59000   10534   0.943  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE BLK *C                  83.6     49.3     3.20    2711    99.3    59000   11175   0.919  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       99.7     57.9     3.75    2709    93.0    59000   11744   0.925  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680                       76.6     44.4     2.88    2706   100.0    59000   10492   0.915  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 *C                  96.2     49.0     3.17    2703   100.0    59000   10377   0.921  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                       84.8     44.3     2.87    2701   100.0    59000   10440   0.909  ! Near Maximu
Posted By: Joe Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/24/20
It would be very interesting to see a companion chart with the results on a 22" barrel to see if anything changes beside MV.
Anything like what?
Posted By: Joe Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/24/20
I guess mostly the % of burned propellent.
OK, but it will still be irrelevant to the original accuracy question.
Originally Posted by Joe
It would be very interesting to see a companion chart with the results on a 22" barrel to see if anything changes beside MV.


Here it is for 22" barrel:

Code
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 60.345 grain H2O = 3.918 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

66 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              102.8     60.0     3.89    3055    99.8    59000   11003   1.011  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           107.8     58.4     3.78    3033    98.9    59000   10886   1.010  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.6     61.8     4.01    3001    97.0    59000   10884   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       107.3     59.0     3.83    2996    98.5    59000   10640   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      106.8     59.4     3.85    2995    98.6    59000   10658   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.7     59.8     3.88    2995    96.1    59000   10836   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     101.7     59.8     3.88    2995    96.1    59000   10836   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 104.1     59.2     3.83    2993    98.4    59000   10740   1.031  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C                   97.1     58.9     3.82    2991    98.7    59000   10553   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        104.4     58.1     3.76    2986    98.0    59000   10545   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                    96.9     57.4     3.72    2975    99.3    59000   10226   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              110.0     65.8     4.26    2971    96.7    51403   11853   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            96.4     53.7     3.48    2971    99.4    59000   10255   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     59.2     3.84    2962    99.6    58561    9930   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C                       97.7     54.4     3.52    2959    99.4    59000   10129   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C               97.2     54.1     3.50    2958    99.1    59000   10175   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       92.0     55.8     3.62    2958    99.9    59000   10025   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      89.5     53.6     3.47    2957   100.0    59000    9712   1.031  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       99.4     55.9     3.62    2956    99.8    59000   10034   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       106.0     60.9     3.95    2953    93.5    59000   10536   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            97.0     50.5     3.27    2948   100.0    59000    9222   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       93.7     52.1     3.38    2945    99.6    59000    9911   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            99.2     54.3     3.52    2944    99.3    59000    9816   1.021  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        98.5     56.0     3.63    2942    98.1    59000   10181   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                   92.2     54.8     3.55    2942    99.3    59000    9944   1.033  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        94.0     52.3     3.39    2941    99.4    59000    9932   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     60.9     3.94    2940    93.0    57355   10635   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       99.3     54.0     3.50    2932   100.0    59000    9438   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          94.2     54.0     3.50    2932   100.0    59000    9439   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       92.1     54.0     3.50    2932   100.0    59000    9439   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        94.2     54.0     3.50    2932   100.0    59000    9439   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         106.2     58.4     3.79    2932    96.2    59000   10251   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              106.2     58.4     3.79    2932    96.2    59000   10251   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 6,5 StaBall *T*C        104.7     62.7     4.06    2925    99.7    59000    9641   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           106.8     59.1     3.83    2923    95.3    59000   10088   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 *T                   108.8     59.2     3.84    2923    95.1    59000   10095   1.028  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       110.0     63.9     4.14    2920    93.4    51012   11391   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.8     64.4     4.17    2920    93.3    59000   10207   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C                  90.4     50.6     3.28    2919    99.9    59000    9509   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              110.0     61.2     3.97    2919    92.9    55323   10657   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                          98.2     53.1     3.44    2919    99.9    59000    9553   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision            98.2     53.1     3.44    2919    99.9    59000    9553   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET *T                   99.6     53.6     3.47    2917    98.9    59000    9742   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         99.3     53.6     3.47    2917    98.9    59000    9742   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       93.5     50.9     3.30    2914   100.0    59000    9076   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          104.7     57.0     3.69    2914    97.4    59000    9966   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         104.7     57.0     3.69    2914    97.4    59000    9966   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           100.4     52.7     3.42    2912    99.1    59000    9599   1.033  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        85.3     51.8     3.35    2912   100.0    59000    9185   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                        92.4     51.4     3.33    2910    99.9    59000    9410   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C                        94.5     51.7     3.35    2910   100.0    59000    9174   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C                      91.9     55.1     3.57    2909    97.6    59000    9863   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C                  96.8     54.4     3.53    2909   100.0    59000    9300   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C                        95.1     51.8     3.35    2908    99.9    59000    9494   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         84.9     48.8     3.16    2905   100.0    59000    8921   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        90.3     48.8     3.16    2905   100.0    59000    8921   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T              101.7     55.9     3.62    2904    95.8    59000    9914   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     58.6     3.80    2904    97.9    54178   10257   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 *C                 106.7     56.0     3.63    2903   100.0    59000    9329   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.9     56.4     3.65    2900    95.2    59000    9943   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       91.9     51.9     3.36    2899    98.3    59000    9600   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T               92.2     49.6     3.22    2899   100.0    59000    8528   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       88.0     52.7     3.41    2896   100.0    59000    9206   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        88.3     52.7     3.41    2896   100.0    59000    9206   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C             89.6     53.2     3.45    2892    99.3    59000    9441   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       87.7     52.8     3.42    2890    99.7    59000    9276   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 *C                 101.3     54.2     3.51    2887    99.9    59000    9134   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        86.8     51.8     3.35    2886   100.0    59000    9069   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus              86.8     51.8     3.35    2886   100.0    59000    9069   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 *C                 103.1     52.0     3.37    2885   100.0    59000    8624   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T              100.6     53.6     3.47    2879    95.9    59000    9603   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     62.9     4.07    2879    89.1    52736   10785   1.066  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         86.0     49.4     3.20    2878   100.0    59000    9008   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          94.2     51.0     3.30    2873    99.4    59000    9171   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle       86.4     51.2     3.32    2872    99.7    59000    9040   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  90.2     51.1     3.31    2872   100.0    59000    8681   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   91.4     50.1     3.24    2869   100.0    59000    8950   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             84.1     49.8     3.23    2869   100.0    59000    8930   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         93.5     51.4     3.33    2862    99.6    59000    9034   1.034  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C              87.8     46.1     2.99    2858   100.0    59000    8388   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                       90.4     48.1     3.12    2848   100.0    59000    8314   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       99.7     57.9     3.75    2846    94.9    59000    9336   1.045  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                110.0     61.9     4.01    2846    89.1    54144   10101   1.061  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     61.9     4.01    2843    88.5    51644   10544   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 110.0     62.5     4.05    2842    87.6    48909   10917   1.106
Hodgdon CFE BLK *C                  83.6     49.3     3.20    2842    99.9    59000    8751   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C                        84.2     45.8     2.97    2834   100.0    59000    8176   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680                       76.6     44.4     2.88    2829   100.0    59000    8157   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              110.0     61.9     4.01    2828    90.5    48056   10749   1.116
Vihtavuori N133 *C                  96.2     49.0     3.17    2825   100.0    59000    8051   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                       84.8     44.3     2.87    2824   100.0    59000    8095   1.029  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            87.4     43.6     2.83    2817   100.0    59000    7826   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Buffalo Rifle        75.2     39.1     2.54    2812   100.0    59000    7983   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D060                          75.2     39.1     2.54    2812   100.0    59000    7983   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C                  90.6     47.1     3.05    2810   100.0    59000    7940   1.048  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-7                   82.6     44.5     2.88    2806   100.0    59000    7888   1.050  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     65.0     4.22    2803    84.8    47721   10720   1.122
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              110.0     59.5     3.86    2798    89.5    52758    9726   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207                         82.9     43.1     2.79    2797   100.0    59000    7739   1.051  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     66.6     4.32    2793    90.6    49417   10322   1.102
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T           110.0     59.9     3.88    2787    97.4    44464   10403   1.154
Hodgdon H4227                       79.4     40.4     2.62    2759   100.0    59000    7338   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227                            79.1     40.3     2.61    2754   100.0    59000    7313   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      110.0     61.2     3.97    2752    93.9    46426    9895   1.158
Vihtavuori N120 *C                  85.2     43.3     2.81    2747   100.0    59000    7238   1.055  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N125 *C                  80.6     41.7     2.70    2746   100.0    59000    7248   1.054  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     110.0     60.5     3.92    2737    88.4    43793   10370   1.166
Hodgdon H4831 *T                   110.0     59.5     3.85    2714    86.4    46901    9592   1.133
Lovex S053                          80.1     39.9     2.59    2711   100.0    59000    6996   1.054  ! Near Maximum!
3031 and 150 grain bullet...
Yay Seafire...there is no problem in the gun universe that can not be solved with a judicious dose of good ol' 3031.
Originally Posted by Seafire
3031 and 150 grain bullet...


Pretty hard to argue with that.
Originally Posted by ChaseA1
I’m not pissed I listen to people that know what there talking about and He’s right but I had it lead sled and I actually got two 760 carbines and they both have fire balls when you shoot I’ve tried multiple different ammunition and they both seem to not shoot very good with factory loads I just thought there might be Someone that had have the same experience and found a load that shot pretty good I’m not expecting incredible accuracy but I can’t accept a 4 inch group at 50 yards using a lead sled.


Try one of the youth loads, will for sure reduce the "fireball". That said 4 inch groups at 50 yards could easily be a loose scope mount or a bad scope. This said I have had guns that flat would not shoot from a lead sled and that is why I no longer own one.
Posted By: Joe Re: Load for 18.5 barrel 30-06?? - 11/26/20
Thanks antelope sniper. It is interesting that most burn about 1-1.5% more while IMR-4350 and H-414 burns 2% more in the 22" barrel.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Seafire
3031 and 150 grain bullet...


Pretty hard to argue with that.


Well there is also 4198 or

if ya want to take a walk on the wild side...
24 grains of Blue Dot, and a 150 grain RN or FN 30/30 bullet...
Chase, Here's a link to a similar thread I started a few years ago. Bottom line, I put a soft towel over the front rest and held the fore end in my left hand. The load I use(d) is 55 grains of IMR 4350 with a 180 grain Hornady RN. YMMV.
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-shoot-a-7600-off-the-bench#Post12082241
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