358 win 200g TSX data - 24hourcampfire

Hi All,
Anyone have data for the 200g TSX in 358 win? I have H4895, varget and IMR 4064 on the shelf.

Any help?

The old X would safely shoot as much IMR 4895 as you could cram and compress in the case. It shot pretty well that way too. I suspect slower stuff: Varget and 4064, could be loaded likewise to lesser velocities, but perhaps good results anyway.

H4895 can be loaded with care at generally the same rate as as IMR 4895 - at least in the 358 Winchester.

This data is from the American Rifleman, April 2007 issue, page 35 per Bryce Towsley.

Case: Winchester
Primer: CCI 200
Powder: Varget
Charge: 53.0 Grs.
Bullet: 200 Gr TSX
Velocity: 2502 fps
Barrel: 21"

Don't know what rifle you are going to load for, but the TSX is pretty long and you may run into magazine constraints/compressed load issues if you can't seat the TSX out far enough. I have used 52.0 grains of Varget under a 200 gr Hornady SP. I get better accuracy with 3031 though (old BLR).

Try a maximum of 53 grains of Varget with WLR primers. This is data from Barnes providing 2653 fps in a 24" barrel.

51 grains of Varget shoots 2473 in my BLR and gives me a 1" group. My best load has been with IMR3031 (47 grains) yielding 2476 fps and 0.66" groups.

I am getting far better ballistics with the 225 TSX and 43 grains of AA2015 (0.31" group/2221 fps).

Thanks a bunch. I really need some idea where to top out.

I will load up a series and go Chronograp them and see how it goes.

Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 200, Barnes 'TSX' 35820
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch or 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch or 508.0 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 93 38.40 1999 1775 28855 5224 84.3 1.302
-18.0 95 39.36 2048 1863 30685 5406 85.6 1.270
-16.0 97 40.32 2098 1954 32646 5585 86.9 1.261
-14.0 99 41.28 2148 2048 34748 5761 88.1 1.227
-12.0 102 42.24 2198 2145 37004 5932 89.3 1.193
-10.0 104 43.20 2248 2245 39426 6099 90.5 1.160
-08.0 106 44.16 2299 2348 42033 6260 91.5 1.128
-06.0 109 45.12 2350 2453 44841 6415 92.6 1.097
-04.0 111 46.08 2402 2562 47867 6563 93.6 1.066
-02.0 113 47.04 2454 2674 51140 6704 94.5 1.036
+00.0 116 48.00 2506 2789 54680 6837 95.3 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 118 48.96 2558 2907 58519 6960 96.1 0.978 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 120 49.92 2611 3027 62690 7074 96.9 0.950 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 123 50.88 2664 3151 67232 7178 97.5 0.922 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 125 51.84 2717 3278 72190 7270 98.1 0.895 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 127 52.80 2770 3408 77615 7350 98.6 0.870 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 116 48.00 2637 3088 64925 6859 99.4 0.937 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 116 48.00 2339 2429 45444 6467 87.5 1.093

Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 200, Barnes 'TSX' 35820
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch or 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch or 508.0 mm
Powder : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 95 38.40 2004 1783 30077 5179 80.7 1.316
-18.0 97 39.36 2054 1874 32071 5361 82.0 1.280
-16.0 100 40.32 2105 1968 34200 5541 83.3 1.244
-14.0 102 41.28 2156 2065 36492 5718 84.6 1.210
-12.0 104 42.24 2208 2165 38959 5893 85.8 1.176
-10.0 107 43.20 2260 2268 41624 6064 87.0 1.143
-08.0 109 44.16 2313 2375 44500 6230 88.2 1.111
-06.0 111 45.12 2365 2485 47613 6392 89.3 1.079
-04.0 114 46.08 2419 2598 50987 6548 90.4 1.048
-02.0 116 47.04 2472 2714 54651 6698 91.4 1.018 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 118 48.00 2526 2834 58637 6841 92.4 0.988 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 121 48.96 2581 2958 62984 6976 93.3 0.958 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 123 49.92 2636 3085 67737 7103 94.2 0.929 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 126 50.88 2691 3215 72929 7221 95.1 0.902 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 128 51.84 2746 3350 78672 7329 95.8 0.874 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 130 52.80 2803 3488 84970 7426 96.6 0.848 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 118 48.00 2664 3151 70161 6992 97.6 0.918 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 118 48.00 2357 2466 48164 6405 84.2 1.074

Pop,
very nice..

Originally Posted by Sakoluvr

Don't know what rifle you are going to load for, but the TSX is pretty long and you may run into magazine constraints/compressed load issues if you can't seat the TSX out far enough. I have used 52.0 grains of Varget under a 200 gr Hornady SP. I get better accuracy with 3031 though (old BLR).

I agree. Even with shorter 200 gr bullets I favor RL 10 now and before that IMR's 3031 in the .358 Win. With FL or new brass a case will hardly hold 53 grs of Varget let alone a bullet!

Powder : Hodgdon H4895 200 TSX
+00.0 116 48.00 2506 2789 54680 6837 95.3 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 118 48.96 2558 2907 58519 6960 96.1 0.978 ! Near Maximum !

Too many numbers jumbled together for my ADD mind to sort out.... is the translation that 48.96 grains of H 4895 is a max load for the 200 TSX bullet likely to produce 2558 fps?

Originally Posted by Savage_99

Originally Posted by Sakoluvr

Don't know what rifle you are going to load for, but the TSX is pretty long and you may run into magazine constraints/compressed load issues if you can't seat the TSX out far enough. I have used 52.0 grains of Varget under a 200 gr Hornady SP. I get better accuracy with 3031 though (old BLR).

I agree. Even with shorter 200 gr bullets I favor RL 10 now and before that IMR's 3031 in the .358 Win. With FL or new brass a case will hardly hold 53 grs of Varget let alone a bullet!

I have not tried RX10, but I have gone back to 3031 (45.0 gr). It was never broke, so I don't know why I tried to fix it. The Hornady Interlocks will do serious damage to Whitetails in the .358, and I should have left well enough alone. I

Originally Posted by 2ndwind

Powder : Hodgdon H4895 200 TSX
+00.0 116 48.00 2506 2789 54680 6837 95.3 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 118 48.96 2558 2907 58519 6960 96.1 0.978 ! Near Maximum !

Too many numbers jumbled together for my ADD mind to sort out.... is the translation that 48.96 grains of H 4895 is a max load for the 200 TSX bullet likely to produce 2558 fps?

Yes with a predicted pressure of 58519 psi. see heading on top.

I have H 4895, I’m going to try it in a 358 I have on the way.

noKnees,
If you want max velocity, Mule Deer's Ram Shot TAC load of 52 gr w/ the 200 gr TSX produced 2749 fps. Using magnum primers & Win cases.

Lots of TAC....LOTS!

While not a .358 I suspect results would be comparable, I have used IMR 3031 with Hornady 200 gr. RN the load produced outstanding accuracy and great performance in harvesting this year's buck. I wouldn't hesitate to try IMR 3031 with 200 gr. TSX in .358.