Good 6.5x55 loads - 24hourcampfire

I figured I would see if this thread gets any traction. I decided to play around with my Ruger 77 and I can't find my reloading notes for loads developed for my CZ. Please share your favorite loads.

48.0 gr RL-22 under a 140 gr Partition runs around 2780 fps and inside 3/4" in calm winds from my 25" barreled '09 Mauser.

A very mild shooting load that punches [kills] way above it weight class.

IMR 4831 with a 120 NBT. Loadbook is at home, so I dont know the weight of powder. Works great in my Howa.

46 gr of H4831 and a 140 gr GK is about 2650 fps. Not barn burner, but very accurate,

47 gr of H4831 and a Nosler 130 gr Acubond at 2800fps is the most accurate in my original 6.5 Swede barrel.

My Bartlien barrel is quite fond of 47.4 grs. of IMR4350 and 123gr. Scenars!
So am I....

I have H4350 and

140 Partitions
140 Core-lokts
140 Gamekings
120 NBT
155 Mega

49.5 grains H4350 with a 120 grain Sierra bullet and 3.000" COL gives me a measured 59.4 KPSI and 3075 FPS out of a 24" barrel. I back that one down a grain just for luck. Should give you about 3025 and around 57 KPSI, which is a conservative load for a modern rifle.

47.5 grains H4350 behind a 129 grain Hornady bullet, 3.000" COL, gives 2951 FPS. I don't have a pressure measurement on that. Same 24" barrel.

With a Swedish milsurp, 46.5 grains RL22 gives 2824 FPS at 3.025" COL, with a 140 grain bullet, and 44 grains AA4350 gives 2793 FPS. Those are mild loads according to the books.

Your results will be different, of course.

My Swede, a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic, shoots the 125 grain Nosler Partition quite well. I use Reloder 19 powder.

Here are a few loads for my FN Mauser with a 21" 1-8 twist Lilja barrel. It was chambered with a custom reamer with a shorter than average throat, so velocities will probably be a little slower in some rifles:

Sierra HPBT 85 Varget/45.0 3337
Nosler 100 Partition RL-15/42.0 3140
Nosler 120 Ballistic Tip RL-19/47.0 2947
" VV N560/48.0 2938
" Norma204/45.0 2972
Barnes 120 TSX RL-19/47.0 2950
Cutting Edge 120 Norma 204/45.0 2943
Nosler 129 ABLR Magnum/52.5 2856
Hornady 129 Spire Pt. RL-19/46.0 2920
Nosler 130 AccuBond Norma URP/43.0 2867
Cutting Edge 130 Magnum/52.5 2863
Speer 140 Hot-Cor H4831/47.0 2664
Nosler 140 Partition Magnum/50.0 2680
Norma 156 Oryx H4831/45.0 2591

All of these shot into an inch or less. The most accurate, believe it or not, is the 85 Sierra load.

Originally Posted by saddlesore

47 gr of H4831 and a Nosler 130 gr Acubond at 2800fps is the most accurate in my original 6.5 Swede barrel.

I think I'm shooting 47.5 or 48 grains. Shoots an inch with iron sites, and one hole in modern scoped rifles.

Originally Posted by scottfromdallas

I have H4350 and

140 Partitions
140 Core-lokts
140 Gamekings
120 NBT
155 Mega

Scott, I'd start playing with the H4350 behind the Core-lokts and game kings. Use a CCI 200 primer if you have it. Should be easy to get them to shoot. I wouldn't worry about the partitions unless you wanted an elk load for it.

Data from 25" Barlein 5r (tight) barrel pre 64 m-70

140 amax of 140 SST: 46 gr Re-17 2940 or 45.5 H4350 2875

120 NBT or 123 Nosler CC 47 gr H4350 3075 fps

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Originally Posted by scottfromdallas

I have H4350 and

140 Partitions
140 Core-lokts
140 Gamekings
120 NBT
155 Mega

Scott, I'd start playing with the H4350 behind the Core-lokts and game kings. Use a CCI 200 primer if you have it. Should be easy to get them to shoot. I wouldn't worry about the partitions unless you wanted an elk load for it.

I agree Partitions are not needed. I have more 140 Partitions and 155 Megas than the other bullets. I've used the Megas on deer and bobcat. If I can get the Partitions to shoot accurately, their really is no downside since the have a .490 BC and open easily. The 120 NBT is also an interesting choice because it has good BC and can be driven to 3000 fps. Close shot might make me a little nervous. I wouldn't have any worries with the Partitions.

Originally Posted by TNrifleman

My Swede, a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic, shoots the 125 grain Nosler Partition quite well. I use Reloder 19 powder.

That is sorta where I was looking to go with my Model 70 as well, any specs on your load?

I've tried several bullets and powders in a Model 70 FWT. From an accuracy perspective, best powders have been H4350 & H4831; best bullets - 125 & 140 Partitions, 140 Sierra BTSP.

With my wife's Tikka 6.5x55 we found some good loads in the last few months.

38 gr of H 4895 with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip was quite accurate and had mild recoil, she really liked shooting that load for practice. Speed was around 2700 fps, would make a good deer load too.

Same charge of H 4350 (43 gr I think) with both the 140 gr Hornady SST and Nosler Partition. They both hit in the same place, she noticed a bit more recoil but said it was still good. Speed should be around 2600 fps, I may do a bit more work but might not since they are both accurate and the two bullets compliment each other nicely.

H 4831 sc was a bit slow in this gun but it has worked well in previous 6.5x55's, Need to try IMR 7828 SSC in this gun still it was a stand out in my old gun with various 140's.

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THANKS Denton & Mule Deer and you others:

I'm planning to do some serious load development this Spring with my Swede and this info is VERY beneficial.

Long Story--Short

I've decided to us 120 gr bullets to get the vel UP. At the same time I'm NOT going to HOT ROD either. My rifle is M 70 XTR Ftwt with 22" bll.

I've ordered 120 Nosler Bal Tips and they're on backorder. That okay because I'm waiting for our weather to moderate.

THNX Again guys!

35 grains of IMR4895 under a Nosler Partition 140gr with Federal 210M primer. My Ruger No.1 with put the the first two in one hole at 100 yards.

I finally had a chance to get out and start testing some loads. I'm using Lapua brass and CCI BR2 primers on all loads tested. Rifle is a Ruger 77 with a 22 inch barrel. Chronograph is a MagnetoSpeed V3.

120 NBT, 47 grains of H4350, 3.05 COL 2789 FPS AVG
140 Partition, 44.5 grains of H4350, 3.05 COL 2577 FPS AVG
155 Lapua Mega, 42 grains of HV100, 2.95 COL 2452 FPS AVG

All of them shot right about 1 MOA at 100 yards so good enough for hunting. I'm going to play a little more with the Partitions. I'd like to get around 2650 FPS. I'll probably load up some 140 Core-Lokts next time too.

Working loads for a free range Axis hunt June 1st.

O P
I have run several CnC 140s with RL19 and IMR 4831 with excellent results in my 77 MK II. The 4831 is slower but spot on and the 19 isn't far behind in accuracy but way out in front in velocity. DRT on 4 critters but I have not stretched the range past 225 so far with my Swede.
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In a ruger77 mk2 48.0gr. of imr7828 wlr primers w-w case topped with a rem. 140gr.pspcl 2655 fps avg.,In a CZ550 20.5" barrel,46.5gr. of H4831sc,w-w brass,fed210 primers,topped with a Norma 156gr. Alaskan,2525 fps ave. Both loads have worked for me.

I use 46 grains of H4350 with 140gr speer hot cor or 140gr ballistic tips in my Ruger M77. It runs from 2775 to 2800.

Originally Posted by JP_Lucas

I use 46 grains of H4350 with 140gr speer hot cor or 140gr ballistic tips in my Ruger M77. It runs from 2775 to 2800.

Great info. I'm limited to H4350 and my next plan was to work up from 44.5 in .5 increments with the NP. I'd like to stay about MOA and get 2650-2700. Your info seems to support what I was thinking.

I started using Lapua brass and the groups went to .5 to .75 from 1.25 to 1.5. I use CCI 200 primers. I use 46.5 grains H4350 with 129gr Hornady interloks. My Ruger likes the H4350. It also likes RL19 but it's harder to find than H4350.

52 grs of H1000 and a 140 gr. Nosler Partition worked well out of my brothers tikka. Was just at 2800 and bang flopped a nice cow elk.

Thinking outside the box...a handloaders flexibility...

100 grain Partition or Ballistic Tip....IMR 4064, RL 15, IMR 4895

" for the kids"....or fun plinking....

30 grains of IMR 4198, or RL 7, or 25 grains of SR 4759 with a 90 grain Speer TNT or Sierra 85 grain HP...or the 100 grain Sierra HP...

Originally Posted by jwall

I've decided to us 120 gr bullets to get the vel UP. At the same time I'm NOT going to HOT ROD either. My rifle is M 70 XTR Ftwt with 22" bll.

Exactly my thoughts with the first load I ever developed for my Turk Mauser. A 120gr NBT in front of 39grs of Varget makes a hole that measures .274" (if memory recalls) from three shots @ 100. My problem now is I have a box of 140gr Berger's and a box of 130gr Barnes that will probably sit on my bench till I can't find any 120gr NBT. :-)

Went back out over the weekend and tried Lapua Brass, CCI magnum primers with 45.5 of H4350 with:

140 NPT (3.08 COL)- 2675 FPS
140 Core-Lokts (3.02 COL) 2650 FPS

Groups were very erratic, I think I have a bedding issue. I'm taking it out of the factory wooden stock and dropping it back in a McMillian and will try again this weekend.

Originally Posted by HaYen

Originally Posted by jwall

I've decided to us 120 gr bullets to get the vel UP. At the same time I'm NOT going to HOT ROD either. My rifle is M 70 XTR Ftwt with 22" bll.

Exactly my thoughts with the first load I ever developed for my Turk Mauser. A 120gr NBT in front of 39grs of Varget makes a hole that measures .274" (if memory recalls) from three shots @ 100.

My 120 NBTs are still back ordered, so I'm still waiting.
I have 4350, IMR 4831, Surplus 4831 & IMR 7828 powders. IMR 4831 is my first choice but I have options.

Seems to me most load data out there for Swedes is designed for old Mausers being used. No problem getting 2800 fps safely in my M70 Fwt with 140 gr Hornady BTHP and H4831 in WW brass. Magnum Man

Originally Posted by Magnum_Man

Seems to me most load data out there for Swedes is designed for old Mausers being used. No problem getting 2800 fps safely in my M70 Fwt with 140 gr Hornady BTHP and H4831 in WW brass. Magnum Man

IIRC both the Nolser and Barnes manuals warn that there load data is not safe in older military actions.

My Cooper came with a test target showing 36 Gr of Imr 4064 ( a light but deadly accurate load with NP 140's as well as Sierra 140's) Have not chronographed it yet. hits the same hole (cloverleaf) at 100 yards.

My question is this... Since the ballistics of the 6.5x55 and the 260 Remington are basically the same, would similar loads work within reason?

Originally Posted by JP_Lucas

I use 46 grains of H4350 with 140gr speer hot cor or 140gr ballistic tips in my Ruger M77. It runs from 2775 to 2800.

I always said I get around to load the speer bullet in one of my 10+ 6.5's. Never have tho. You have any good hard use you might add to the topic. Sorry to hijack, thought it may help other also.

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That's exactly what I used to get a feel for how high I wanted to go in the 6.5. The 6.5 has a little more capacity so you should have a little wiggle room. Only applies to modern guns, and of course your gun.

Win 70 XTR FWT: 140 Horn SP, 48 Ramshot Hunter, Lapua Brass, 3.10 OAL to kiss lands in mine. Low 2800's. 3/4" triangles. Same results with 48.5 gr powder with Win Brass.

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I tried some 143 ELD-X the other day. They showed some accuracy potential. I just wasn't having a good day at the range with any rifle. One of those days.

143 ELD-X, Lapua Brass, CC Magnum primers, 3.10 AOL.

45 H4350- 2675 FPS
45.5 H4350- 2710 FPS

In my tikka, a stiff charge of ramshot magnum and a 140 hornady sp produced consistent sub - 3/4 moa groups. Not as much velocity as I'd hoped for and I'm all out of that powder now. Hoping to find some more.

40 grains of 4064 or IMR 4895, and a 140 grain Rem Corelokt...

Originally Posted by scottfromdallas

I tried some 143 ELD-X the other day. They showed some accuracy potential. I just wasn't having a good day at the range with any rifle. One of those days.

143 ELD-X, Lapua Brass, CC Magnum primers, 3.10 AOL.

45 H4350- 2675 FPS
45.5 H4350- 2710 FPS

That should be a great Bullet at 6.5 SE speeds. Might have to grab some.

Good thread.

Originally Posted by jwall

My 120 NBTs are still back ordered, so I'm still waiting.
I have 4350, IMR 4831, Surplus 4831 & IMR 7828 powders. IMR 4831 is my first choice but I have options.

My 120 N BT didn't come in till JULY. By then we were having a very hot-dry Summer. Stayed that way till Oct. I didn't hunt the Swede in 2015.

Finally--I'm fixing to start load development. Got my chronograph fixed like I want it. So hopefully I'll get to make some progress the next few weeks.

Thanks to all who posted their 120-123 loads. We'll see.

Jerry

Originally Posted by Seafire

40 grains of 4064 or IMR 4895, and a 140 grain Rem Corelokt...

forgot 40 grains of RL 15, until I loaded some up today...
140 grain Hornady SP....

To add to the loads I posted on the first page, I did some more work with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip in my wife's T 3.

47 gr H 4350 - 120 gr Ballistic Tip - W-W case - CCI 200 - 2835 fps and very accurate. This load is done and does well in Lapua cases as well, great deer load.

44 gr H 4350 - 140 gr Hornady SST - Lapua case - CCI 200 - 2669 fps and very accurate.

Working up higher with the 140 gr Partition and H 4350 and will report back. When I get my hands on some IMR 4955 I'll give it a go with the 140's, Hodgdon's data looks very good with this powder.

Hope to get a really good load with the 140 gr Partition to pair together with the 120 gr Ballistic Tip. Getting pretty close.......

Don't overlook the 140 gr Sierra GameKing in the 6.5x55

Originally Posted by grumpy7904

Don't overlook the 140 gr Sierra GameKing in the 6.5x55

I'm not being critical. If I wanted to shoot 140 grainers, I'd look to a larger case>>more vel, flatter. Guys, not to be humorous, I can't help myself.

Jerry

My thinking, too.

But, my 6.5x55 did great with the 139 Scenar, not as impressive with lighter bullets. So, with that one, it's 139 Scenars over MRP.

My new 6.5 Creedmoor seems to like a lot of stuff. With that one, I'm working with 120, 123, 125 and 130 gr. bullets.

DF

I have some 130 AB's, 130 Swift SII's, and some 155 Lapua Mega's loaded over RL26 right now. Got to shoot some of the Mega's and they clocked an easy 2600.. Haven't gotten to the rest of them yet. The Mega's looked very nice on paper with two just about touching, throwing the 3rd out a hair.. Very fun rifle and just seems really accurate with everything I have shot through it.

Used a Min book load of H4895 (think it was 34 grains) with a 123 AMax and 120 BT. Both shot really well, unsure of the speeds on them though.

My 6.5x55 days are behind me (maybe), but back when I thought the sun rose and set out my 1986-vintage M70 Featherweight barrel (oh why dear lord did I ever sell that rifle) I settled on 46grains IMR-4831 and the 129 Hornady spire point. Not a hot load but it served me well for many years in the deer woods and at the range. Bullets were seated out to fill the throat (it was throated like a Swedish Mauser), but still fit in the magazine. I could depend on MOA accuracy whenever and wherever.

Scott, a very old killer w/a wonderful and colored history. I'm building one now on a Turk SR '98. powdr

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Currently working with 140 interlock and h4350. Seem to have have two nodes showing stellar accuracy but both are above published maximums. I went about a grain beyond the top node (which is the more accurate one) and am comfortable that I'm in safe territory

Does anyone know where to find load data for the Scenar-L in 136 grain? I downloaded the VihtaVouri 8th edition reloading guide, but it doesn't have any 136 grain data at all.

Crap, sorry, I just found it. They don't have it in their guide, but they do on their website:
http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/rifle-reloading/6-5-x-55-swedish-mauser.html

How about anyone working with either 140 gr Amax or NBT & IMR4350?

Question was asked earlier in the thread about comparative loads between a 260 and the Swede. Any have an answer?

I had some 142 gr NABLR's that I use in my 264 WM. Loaded up some with IMR4350 at 45.5 gr. 4 shot group measured .330 @ 100 yards.
I'll load up some more and run them over the magnetospeed and see what they're doing.
Regardless, I'd say I found a load that should work.

Here's the picture.

My Swede:

FN 98/23" Shilen in McWoody, custom bolt handle, Canjar, swing safety.

I'm going to try that 142 gr. LRAB load, have the bullets and the powder.

DF

That Mcwoody came out NICE! Interested to see how the load works for you DF. I'm hoping to get back out and run it over the chrony as well as try it out to 400 or so here soon.

Thanks,

I forgot to mention it's an Edge, probably 10-12 oz lighter than dense, fancy wood. IIRC, it's 28 oz. Ballance and handling are really good.

I wasn't aware they made an Edge McWoody until recently. It weighs a few ounces more than a painted Edge, but is still very light.

It's a bit more expensive than the std. McWoody, the Mauser required hand fitting by them at $50 an hour. There are a lot of variations in the Mauser family, one size doesn't necessarily fit all.

It's still much less expensive and lighter than a fancy custom Walnut handle. And, the Edge is stronger than wood.

DF

Originally Posted by Bbear

Question was asked earlier in the thread about comparative loads between a 260 and the Swede. Any have an answer?

John Barsness in his Loads that Work article said to use .260 Rem. data and add 2 to 3 grains of powder. Start low of course. http://www.tulprpc.org/attachments/File/Handloads_That_Work.pdf

I checked a couple of cases and the 6.5 runs three to five grains more than the .260. I am comfortable with the 2+ grains but three may be too hot depending on powder. The other thing is the Swede likes slower powders that aren't used in the .260, not sure why a couple of grains capacity would make a difference.

My favorite load in my Tikka 6.5x55 is 50g of H4831SC pushing a 140 Nosler Accubond. Not the fastest load clocking around 2700, but is very accurate.

I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.

Dirtfarmer, et al,

I finally got the chance to run my loads over the chrony and check for repeatability. Both were a pleasant surprise.
Avg speed for 7 rounds over the magnetospeed = 2794fps (24" barrel) ES 11 Sd 9. 5 shot group right at .411

Next, I took it on the stand and popped a little axis doe at 109 yards. On the shot, her back end dropped and she did a 180 on her side and never even kicked.
Exit wound was around 1.75" with very little blood-shot meat in the shoulder. ( figure she live-weighed about 120)

Looking forward to hearing how it works for you DF

Just ran some R26 loads yesterday and they were too hot.
Lapua case 53 gr. R26 with 129gr NABLR federal 200 primers
Forbes rifle 24" barrel at 92 degreee temp.

First shot looked fine with 3,130 fps. Should have known that was too good to be true. By the third shot and with a warm barrel I was getting pretty flat primers. The 53 gr load had seemed fine with the 129 HBTSP and Winchester primers at 2,975 fps.

Suspect the heat, soft primers and long bearing surface of the Noslers are resulting in excess pressure. This combined with an overcharge too. Will drop back and switch primers and try again on another hot day. The Hornadays will be the fall back but I just wanted to see how the Noslers do at short to medium ranges on Deer.

Originally Posted by Bbear

How about anyone working with either 140 gr Amax or NBT & IMR4350?

Question was asked earlier in the thread about comparative loads between a 260 and the Swede. Any have an answer?

I loaded 140 A-Maxes years ago with IMR 4350 and found 45.3 grains to shoot very well in my Featherweight M70, so very close to your load. It wasn't fast however; 2560-70 if I remember right.

I figure I'll either use the Amax's for 'practice' and save the ABLR for hunting loads. That or trade the Amax's off for something else. Still and all, I really like this rifle!

6.5x55 47.5grs Rel 19 120gr BT , 260 Rem 47grs Rel 19 120gr BT, 7mm-08 48grs Rel 19 120gr BT

My Swede, as shown, doesn't like light bullets, does best with 139 and 155 Scenars. I'm going to try 142 gr. ABLR and 143 ELD-X, just to see.

DF

43.5gr of Norma URP and Remington 9 1/2 Magnum primers in PrviPartizan brass gave me 2650fps with a Nosler 140gr Accubond. I'm going to build this load to see if I can get close to 2750-2800 before pressure builds?

Rifle: Tikka T3 Hunter 6.5x55

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

My Swede:

FN 98/23" Shilen in McWoody, custom bolt handle, Canjar, swing safety.

I'm going to try that 142 gr. LRAB load, have the bullets and the powder.

DF

Nice!

Originally Posted by JohnChilds

My favorite load in my Tikka 6.5x55 is 50g of H4831SC pushing a 140 Nosler Accubond. Not the fastest load clocking around 2700, but is very accurate.

I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.

I had my M70 Swede out this morning to try a couple of powders in new Hornady cases. I was shooting some 129 Interbond seconds I picked up a few years ago. I have heard reports that the bullet can be difficult to shoot well, but my rifle seems to like them combined with H4831. 3-shot groups, a pair of each at 48.0, and 50.0 showed good results. For some reason I couldn't figure out, both groups at 49.0 were larger. (50.0 grains is 1.5 grains above what Hodgdon calls for when shooting the 129 SP.)

I also gave H414 a go, but groups were widely spaced horizontally. 43.5 is Hodgdon's max for the Hornady 129 SP. Both 43.0 and 44.0 'seemed' alright judging from the fired cases. 45.0 threw a primer and stuck the bolt pretty snug. Obviously the rest of those are coming apart. I've leaned pretty hard with H414 in other cases with never a primer doing that. Apparently it isn't a good match in the Swede.

Originally Posted by southwind

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

My Swede:

FN 98/23" Shilen in McWoody, custom bolt handle, Canjar, swing safety.

I'm going to try that 142 gr. LRAB load, have the bullets and the powder.

DF

Nice!

Thanks.

Didn't mention, McWoody is an Edge fill, weighs 28 oz.

DF

Originally Posted by JohnChilds

I've also had pretty good luck with 120 Ballistic Tips and 50g of H4350. Those get just under 3,000 Fps, and also shot pretty good. My last two 5 shot groups with this load hovered between 1/2 & 3/4's of an inch.

Yep.

I'm not interested in shooting 2500-2700 fps.

My W 70 also likes 49.5 gs IMR 4350 under 120 NBTs. They are +/- 3000 fps.

Jerry

I'm OK with 140's, etc. at 2,700 fps. This Swede does great with 139's, 140's, 155's, not as good with 120's.

I'm not going to try to make it a LR gun, have others more suitable for that, so I can get by at this velocity.

120's do very well in my Creed; I'll work up optimal loads for each gun.

DF

DF -

My M 70 Swede seems to like or at least tolerate the 120s. It has what I'd call a medium throat. It's not real short but I can reach the lands w/o any problem.

I can live w/120s at 3000 fps. Where I hunt on any given day I 'could' see something I want up to 400 yds. I've seen a couple of gooduns and I want to be prepared for most opportunities.

I haven't shot the 120s a lot but they certainly have promise. I may not hunt the Swede this yr but it's not far from being ready to go.

I have a Rem M 6 in 06 that's ready and I haven't hunted it at all. I want to bloody it this year.

Jerry

My Swede has the std. long throat, which probably has something to do with preferring long, heavier bullets.

It's amazing how well it shoots the139 gr. Scenar vs NPT's, NBT's, etc.

And with MRP, said to be similar to if not the same as RL-22.

Sorta finicky, but a real tack driver with what it likes. I can live with that. Scenars are not a compromise...

DF

Here is what my little M70 Featherweight 6.5 Swede did with Hornady cases, CCIBR2 primers, 7828SSC and 140 Accubonds. I was very impressed with them. Didn't chrono them but I imagine they'd be fast enough.

I've always liked 7828 in the Swede; one of my favorites, but have none on hand at the moment. I've run both 7828 and RL19 with 120 NBTs with very good results.

That looks pretty good and I bet the speed is great too at 50 gr IMR 7828. Like the 140 gr AB as well, going to also try a few of those in my Wife's Tikka. Have a handful left to try with IMR 4955 and some 140 gr Partitions as well.

Originally Posted by beretzs

Here is what my little M70 Featherweight 6.5 Swede did with Hornady cases, CCIBR2 primers, 7828SSC and 140 Accubonds. I was very impressed with them. Didn't chrono them but I imagine they'd be fast enough.

I'm a bit curious about those speeds too. I think I stopped at 49.0 with 120 NBTs in my rifle. 50.0 grains is 3.5 grains 'hotter' than Nosler calls max in the slightly smaller 260, and 1.8 more than Hodgdon maxes at with the 140 Speer SP. Hodgdon shows 45,800 CUP so there's some room in a M70 for bumping it no doubt.

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

I'm a bit curious about those speeds too. I think I stopped at 49.0 with 120 NBTs in my rifle. 50.0 grains is 3.5 grains 'hotter' than Nosler calls max in the slightly smaller 260, and 1.8 more than Hodgdon maxes at with the 140 Speer SP. Hodgdon shows 45,800 CUP so there's some room in a M70 for bumping it no doubt.

I'll try to get a couple more loaded up and chrono them.

I used Hodgdon online data to get an idea. All of the loads looked and felt good during extraction. I'd actually be plenty happy with any of them to be honest. It seems like my 70 really likes 140's more than lighter Bullets. Tried 130 Scirocco, 130 AB, and 120 Northforks but the 140 ABs easily outshot them all.

It does do well for a light recoiling load using H4895 and 120 BTs though.

Nice shooting beretz, my Swede loves 140 gr partitions and rl-22 at IIRC around 2780 fps, it is a mean little heifer on it's recipients too.

Such a mild mannered polite round if you will, I can't see ever getting rid of my '09 DWM Mauser in 6.5 Swede.

Originally Posted by gunner500

Nice shooting beretz, my Swede loves 140 gr partitions and rl-22 at IIRC around 2780 fps, it is a mean little heifer on it's recipients too.

Such a mild mannered polite round if you will, I can't see ever getting rid of my '09 DWM Mauser in 6.5 Swede.

I'll be interested to see what sorta speeds I'm getting Gunner, I'd probably wager around 2700 or so. 7828SSC does fill the case nicely with 140's.

I'll be interested to hear your speeds too, and Yessir it does, 7828 is a fine powder in a lot of cartridges, I got a real deal on 100 Lapua cases for mine, they were in a plastic bag covered with dust on my 'Smiths shelf.

I said, YES I'LL TAKE THOSE!!!!! when he said 50 bucks!

You know beretz, this fun experimentation with these lesser rounds will be time very well spent when we reach the age that these weapons must be used due to recoil eye/heart health related concerns, we'll already be there and ahead of the game brudda.

BTW, beretzs, how does your M70 feed? Is it finicky at all about length?

(Perhaps mine was never properly finished but it jams regularly if I don't watch my lengths closely; too short and the bullet tips miss the chamber. I'm of the opinion that the feed ramps were not ground properly for the Swede, something a good smith should be able to correct. Fortunately the magazine is plenty long to accommodate correct length, and the leade does too.)

A good smith should be able to tune that gun to feed slick.

I have a .257R on a 700 LA, built by Ron Lampert in MN, a noted master smith. This is one of the slickest feeding actions I own and I have some good ones. No matter where the round sits in the long mag, it feeds like butter.

Just saying...

DF

The new postal regs probably mean I'm stuck using someone very local, otherwise I might consider someone like Redneck.

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

The new postal regs probably mean I'm stuck using someone very local, otherwise I might consider someone like Redneck.

IME, it would be worth your while, extra touble and expense to get it to Redneck. Not sure what the new regs call for, so don't really know what I'm talking about regarding that.

But, Redneck will make it work like it needs to work.

He's working on a M-70 .375 H&H for me, as we speak.

DF

Good thread. I just scored a great deal on a Howa 6.5x55 and am reading up in advance of my dies and brass coming in. The Howa is HEAVY for a standard rifle, but they are known to be shooters, so we'll see. I suspect I'll give it to my grandson once he outgrows the 22-250 I gave him this year.

Do any of you have a good recipe for RL-17 and 129grain bullets? Modern Howa Rifle.

some over max...use caution!!!

Tikka T3x 22.4'
lapua brass, Rem 9 1/2 primer, Norma MRP, 3.150
140 Berger VLD target moly
45gr- 2448fps,
46- 2577, .30
48.6- 2618, .25
49gr- 2782, .27
49.5- 2805, .50
50- 2845, .55
50.5- 2884, .75
51- 2909, .75 noticed bolt slightly stiff
51.5- 2943, .37 slight bolt stiff
52- 2948, .79 slight bolt stiff, primer starting to flatten out/non rounded edge

Tikka T3x 22.4'
Norma brass, Rem 9 1/2 primer, Norma MRP, 3.150
140 Barnes match burner, moly
48gr- 2625, .40
49- 2751, .75
50- 2771, .75
51- 2850, .28

Tikka T3x 22.4'
Hornady brass, Rem 9 1/2 primer, Norma MRP, 3.150
140 Nosler Accubond, moly
48gr- 2668, .40
49- 2733, .80
50- 2763, .60
51- 2848, .55

Anyone else using R26? I won't report any of my loads as none of them are "book" loads but the velocity is impressive. I am using data for MRP and R22 and not going more than 1 to 1.5 grains over that data but am getting up to 200 fps more velocity with decent accuracy. Not sure where I am with pressure but dropped down one grain from my max load after getting flattened primers. Only reloaded some cases twice so not sure about pressure or load count yet.

Just read through the thread and was surprised at the heavier bullets you folks are shooting. When I got my CZ550FS I bought 100gr BTs, 120gr Speers, 130gr Accubonds, 140gr SSTs, 140gr Partiitions, and 160gr Pro-hunters. Loaded up something like six different combos and went to the range on a horrible day. When I got to the 100gr BT over a load of Varget I knew I had a winner. Not a hot rod, leaving the barrel at 3050fps out of the carbine, but shot pretty darn well. I still have four of the loads I made that day and never shot.
The 100gr Nosler Ballistic tip, for me, is the real deal on deer size game at the Swede's modest velocity. Gut feeling is that the jacket might be a tad thicker due to the .264 Winny Mag. I have taken deer from 100yds to 299yds and the bullet has performed perfectly leaving a dandy wound channel without a huge exit(double-lung shot on all deer)....bullets always have exited.

Jim

8 twist in 6.5 screams 140's/160's to me, I couldn't help it.

I just loaded up some more 140 ABs with RL26 and RL16... I'll let you know if they do anything worth having.

7828SSC is very accurate as well with the 140 ABs around 2750.. RL26 was around 2850 the last time out.

It'll be cool to see what happens this go around.

Sounding good beretz.

I have 96 Swede Mauser. Ran out with a ladder set of ammo loaded with IMR 4350 and 140 grain Sierras. From the minimum load to my quitting short of max due to pressure signs they were all within an inch.

Originally Posted by gunner500

Sounding good beretz.

We shall see Gunner. Never used RL16 for much, but I have a bunch of the stuff.. It looked good with the 6.5x55 when I ran the numbers. Should have some data this weekend if the weather holds out.

I'll be waiting, my RL-22 load with the 140 NPT's at an easy 2780 fps will be very hard for me to want to fool with.

In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.

Originally Posted by gerry35

In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.

My Swede loads are put up in Lapua brass with the 140 NPT's, it's a half inch gun in good shooting conditions, built on an '09 DWM Mauser action with a #1 [or featherweight] contour Shilen at 25"s, the cartridge is so well mannered I can't help but like it.

I've yet to capture a bullet for studying on deer and pigs so far, a real penetrator.

I shot the Swede a little yesterday fellas. Didn't get to my RL16 loads but I shot a few of the 26 loads.

Didn't get a reading on the 53 grain load but everything was nice coming out of the gun. I'm pretty sure I can shrink the load up as well. Haven't monkeyed with seating depth at all. Pretty good speeds for the Swede though.

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?

Klik, I'm not tracking with what you mean?

Registered: 03/14/17
Posts: 34
Loc: Gillette, Wy
140grn accubond at 2848fps muzzle, impact at 100yds into milk jugs filled with water, 18+ inches penetration into 4th milk jug
which caught it....ended at 85grn

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What powder are you running?

Originally Posted by gerry35

In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.

I have some 4955, tried a little of it in a Ruger 270 Win over the weekend. I am not sure what is up with the lot but the starting charges were ultra hot.. To the point of losing primers. First time that has happened. Might have to go back and get 8lb's of the stuff..HA!

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

some people have all the fun

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...

DF

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...

DF

If i surround myself with questionable dudes then I look normal!!

Originally Posted by beretzs

If i surround myself with questionable dudes then I look normal!!

Gotcha...

DF

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gerry35

In a departed Ruger 77 Mk II IMR 7828 ssc did very well with 140 gr PT's at around 2775 fps if I remember right. In my wife's Tikka IMR 4955 is showing promise with 140 gr PT's at just under 2700 fps. It shoots well but I still might tweak it a bit.

I have some 4955, tried a little of it in a Ruger 270 Win over the weekend. I am not sure what is up with the lot but the starting charges were ultra hot.. To the point of losing primers. First time that has happened. Might have to go back and get 8lb's of the stuff..HA!

Funny you mention that, I also had a blown primer in my 270 Win using IMR 4955. First time in many years. Should have had a used a chronograph at the start, would have seen the higher speeds and stopped.

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?

Klik, I'm not tracking with what you mean?

Just thinking that that combo might be one which really comes 'in' for you with a different, perhaps more resistance, type bullet - which more weight or more bearing length might give. Or perhaps a primer change might make things cluster more closely if it matters to you. Based on what I've seen in he 270, RL26 does seem to like plenty of resistance (150s) in a smaller volumed case, though in the 7Mag it seems to be quite happy when pushing smaller, lighter (139 mono) bullets also.

.... in my rifles.

FWIW, my present boxes of Swede brass are loaded with 50 grains of H4831 and 129 Interbonds but 48 or 49 seem to shoot just as well. Haven't checked the speeds on them but figure the 'more' load is probably just a bit faster. That's a nice place to be with a bullet that some people have called picky.

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

You're at a spot where bullet with slightly more weight perhaps, or a bit more bearing length....resistance, might just bring it right down. Maybe. ?

Klik, I'm not tracking with what you mean?

Just thinking that that combo might be one which really comes 'in' for you with a different, perhaps more resistance, type bullet - which more weight or more bearing length might give. Or perhaps a primer change might make things cluster more closely if it matters to you. Based on what I've seen in he 270, RL26 does seem to like plenty of resistance (150s) in a smaller volumed case, though in the 7Mag it seems to be quite happy when pushing smaller, lighter (139 mono) bullets also.

.... in my rifles.

Got it. Makes sense. It shot 155 Megas pretty well too. You could be on to something.

Originally Posted by metricman

some people have all the fun

Not all the fun was had today, only sized and primed the brass, too windy and rainy to cast bullets, I do my casting out on the back porch of my shop.

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

I can hook you up!

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

You could be falling in with some questionable dudes...

DF

Do not Worry DF, beretz won't believe me when I tell him smokeless powder is a passing fad!

;] ;]

Beretzs, 155 gr. Mega is the other bullet my Swede really likes; IIRC I used H-4831. I guess this gun is a Lapua snob, I'm even feeding it Lapua brass...

The 155gr. Mega and the 139 gr. Scenar are the best shooting bullets in this gun, the latter with MRP. Those two should cover about anything and everything.

DF

Almost forgot.

Beretzs, don't let gunner and his merry band of charcoal burners corrupt you over to the dark side...

Now, that's a dirty business...

DF

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by gunner500

She's definitely trying to sing a pretty song, bet it will come on in with a little more tinkering.

I think so.. Gotta get some cases prepped today..

10-4, I need to go size and prime some 243 and 300 Win cases today too, also need to cast a chitload of Sharps rifle bullets, 405 gr 40 cal, 530 gr 45 cal and 705 gr 50 cal, all paper patch.

Those big Sharps are pretty darned cool. We might need to talk. Always wanted one of those suckers.

I can hook you up!

Like I said, we will have to talk buddy... I dig those big guns.

Originally Posted by beretzs

What powder are you running?

Norma MRP, remington 9 1/2 primers, hornady brass

Originally Posted by magnum44270

Originally Posted by beretzs

What powder are you running?

Norma MRP, remington 9 1/2 primers, hornady brass

I've read that MRP is the same as RL-22, made to higher standards with less lot to lot variation. Not sure about all that; it is a great Swede powder.

DF

My take from internet lore and looking at both with a magnifier is they start out as the same formula from the original Swiss military loads and then get slightly different retardant coatings.

The color is different between the two. I also I have heard that R22 is a bulk powder with a +/- 10% variation and MRP is a canister grade powder with a +/- 5% variation. I may not have those numbers right but it does explain the greater lot to lot variation of R22 opposed to MRP. They load practically identically but if there is a difference MRP seems a hair slower burning but this is probably due to the lot to lot variation more than actual burning rates.

MRP burns much, much cleaner as well

I've also shot some 140 Accubonds with RL-26, and with 51 grains in a Tikka T3, I'm averaging 2830.

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Almost forgot.

Beretzs, don't let gunner and his merry band of charcoal burners corrupt you over to the dark side...

Now, that's a dirty business...

DF

, but it smells so good!

Originally Posted by gunner500

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Almost forgot.

Beretzs, don't let gunner and his merry band of charcoal burners corrupt you over to the dark side...

Now, that's a dirty business...

DF

, but it smells so good! GREAT

There, I fixed it for you.

If it smelled any better it would rank right up there with sex!

Don't be sad, everyone needs a little help at times.

Geno

PS, Back on topic, I thought this was a 6.5 Swede thread? Do you have a BP load for a 6.5 x55? That would be cool with a big cast bullet.

LOL, burning charcoal and Hoppes number 9 are world stars

Yoo bad I don't use Hoppes on any of my black powder guns, olive oil only.

Oh, No on the Swede BP loads, fouling in that skinny bore would be hellish, ror.

Originally Posted by gunner500

Oh, No on the Swede BP loads, fouling in that skinny bore would be hellish, ror.

I suppose so, worse than a .32 or .36 squirrel gun no doubt.

Now, with all the new technology, Superformance powders, de-coppering agents etc.................

could a guy make a buck developing a smokeless powder with a wide range of applications

that smells like BP?

Geno

PS, it would be wonderful in old Mausers and such.

If you like heavy bullets, you might try to find some of the 147 ELD-M bullets. I got a box from Midway and tested them a little this weekend in my .260. They grouped extremely well and shot well out to 550. I got 2724 fps average, using a heavy load of RE19.

Originally Posted by gunner500

LOL, burning charcoal and Hoppes number 9 are world stars

Yoo bad I don't use Hoppes on any of my black powder guns, olive oil only.

Or Ballistol; it's a non-petrol product.

BP CAS shooters mix Ballistol with water to make "pigeon milk".

Unlike petrol products, Ballistol won't gum up with BP.

It has it own funky smell, charcoal burners should love it.

DF

Tag

TTT for the member looking for Swede information

Beretz have you tried magnum primers with your R26 loads? A couple of people said it reduces ES and can improve accuracy. I haven't gotten around to try it as I have 3x more standard primers than magnum and want to use those up.

Originally Posted by Tejano

Beretz have you tried magnum primers with your R26 loads? A couple of people said it reduces ES and can improve accuracy. I haven't gotten around to try it as I have 3x more standard primers than magnum and want to use those up.

Yes sir, with 26 in the 25-06, 243 and Swede. The BR2s work best for me. Couldn't see anything where the Magnum was warranted. I do use CCI250's in the 270 and 7 WSM and the larger cases I load for.

Thanks getting ready to try it in the 270 wsm and 300 wm and think I will just start with magnum primers with those two.

RL26 with the 140's is shooting pretty well for me. Somewhere around 53 grains seems good in my rifle.

I think there is a little more accuracy to be had but I'm okay as it sits.

Tag

Originally Posted by Trystan

Tag

Thank you. Have had a good read through. I had started my thread as I wanted to focus load info on 140+gr bullets with big game as the intended target.

You're 100% right, this thread is a great resource! Thanks again.

Tag

I just started shooting the 6.5 x 55 Swede calibre last year

Weatherby Vanguard S2 (Howa) in 6.5x55 Swede w 24" barrel
140gr Sierra Game King
49.5gr 4831SC
Norma brass
CCI LR primer
2715FPS
5 shot group at 100

Attached picture 49.5gr H4831SCcopy.jpg

Been kicking the tires on a swede. Gew98 action, 24" 1:9 Shaw barrel.

Just curious,(as I have a pretty fair supply of 7828ssc) what does quickload predict the preasure at 100% load density(I'm figuring around 49gr) with Nosler brass, 140gr Partition,CCI250 primer and COL of 3.125"?

I know it's going to be over book, just curious as to how much over book.

What's the actual measured H20 case capacity, level with the case mouth of your Nosler brass?

Originally Posted by Azar

What's the actual measured H20 case capacity, level with the case mouth of your Nosler brass?

Don't have any yet, I have seen it listed as 55.0gr on the Nosler forum.

For my Fieldcraft I loaded up to 42.5 grains of IMR 4350 with a CCI 200 primer/Hornady brass/130 gr. Scirocco and chrono'd them this past Friday. I got an average velocity of 2660. My other load was 45.5 grains of RL 19/CCI 200/Hornady brass/130 gr. Scirocco for an average velocity of 2740 fps. Pretty mild but I'm gonna keep tinkering with it. My 42.5 load, the first day shooting it gave me a .185 group and the RL 19 wasn't too far behind.

Tag it.

CowboyTim,

Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).

USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Code

Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-02.1   98    46.80   2726    2310   49998  11425     95.9    1.273  ! Near Maximum !
-01.9   98    46.90   2732    2320   50353  11449     96.0    1.269  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7   98    47.00   2739    2331   50711  11473     96.1    1.265  ! Near Maximum !
-01.5   98    47.10   2745    2342   51070  11497     96.2    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-01.3   99    47.20   2751    2353   51434  11521     96.3    1.257  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    47.30   2758    2364   51799  11544     96.4    1.252  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    47.40   2764    2375   52167  11567     96.5    1.248  ! Near Maximum !
-00.6   99    47.50   2771    2386   52539  11590     96.6    1.244  ! Near Maximum !
-00.4   99    47.60   2777    2397   52914  11613     96.6    1.240  ! Near Maximum !
-00.2  100    47.70   2783    2408   53292  11635     96.7    1.236  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    47.80   2790    2420   53671  11658     96.8    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+00.2  100    47.90   2796    2431   54057  11680     96.9    1.228  ! Near Maximum !
+00.4  100    48.00   2803    2442   54442  11702     97.0    1.224  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  101    48.10   2809    2453   54833  11724     97.1    1.220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8  101    48.20   2815    2464   55225  11745     97.2    1.216  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0  101    48.30   2822    2475   55622  11767     97.2    1.212  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    47.80   2874    2568   59257  11689     99.0    1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    47.80   2693    2255   48469  11443     93.4    1.290  ! Near Maximum !

Originally Posted by Azar

CowboyTim,

Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).

USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Code

Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-02.1   98    46.80   2726    2310   49998  11425     95.9    1.273  ! Near Maximum !
-01.9   98    46.90   2732    2320   50353  11449     96.0    1.269  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7   98    47.00   2739    2331   50711  11473     96.1    1.265  ! Near Maximum !
-01.5   98    47.10   2745    2342   51070  11497     96.2    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-01.3   99    47.20   2751    2353   51434  11521     96.3    1.257  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    47.30   2758    2364   51799  11544     96.4    1.252  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    47.40   2764    2375   52167  11567     96.5    1.248  ! Near Maximum !
-00.6   99    47.50   2771    2386   52539  11590     96.6    1.244  ! Near Maximum !
-00.4   99    47.60   2777    2397   52914  11613     96.6    1.240  ! Near Maximum !
-00.2  100    47.70   2783    2408   53292  11635     96.7    1.236  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    47.80   2790    2420   53671  11658     96.8    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+00.2  100    47.90   2796    2431   54057  11680     96.9    1.228  ! Near Maximum !
+00.4  100    48.00   2803    2442   54442  11702     97.0    1.224  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  101    48.10   2809    2453   54833  11724     97.1    1.220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8  101    48.20   2815    2464   55225  11745     97.2    1.216  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0  101    48.30   2822    2475   55622  11767     97.2    1.212  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    47.80   2874    2568   59257  11689     99.0    1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    47.80   2693    2255   48469  11443     93.4    1.290  ! Near Maximum !

Thanks, that's about what I thought it would look like. Looks like 7828 would be a pretty decent place to start. Have quite a bit left over from loading .270 Win, always worked good there too.

Tag

52.5gr RL 26 with 140 ballistic tip seated at 3.020 is a good one..

Originally Posted by 79S

52.5gr RL 26 with 140 ballistic tip seated at 3.020 is a good one..

I bet it is..
What rifle and how far off the lands?

Originally Posted by 79S

52.5gr RL 26 with 140 ballistic tip seated at 3.020 is a good one..

Same here, almost the same exact load but the 140 Accubond. Very good shooting load in my 70 FWT.

Originally Posted by Nrut

Originally Posted by 79S

52.5gr RL 26 with 140 ballistic tip seated at 3.020 is a good one..

I bet it is..
What rifle and how far off the lands?

Ruger Hawkeye I used the OAL listed in the nosler as my starting point. They have 3.025 so I went with 3.020.

i have a Tikka T3 Hunter in 6.5X55. It's not fussy about bullet brand as long as they weigh 126-140 grains. My preferred powders are Alliant Reloader 19 for the lighter bullets and H4831SC for the heavier ones. The charge is 47-47.5 grains for either of the powder/bullet combinations. A RemCL 140 also shot very accurately over 40gr Ramshot Hunter.

A lot of good info here. However, I will have to load down for my old rifle... :

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BSA that is a nice one. Birch or Walnut stock, looks to have some curl to it. I am not about to experiment on a classic old rifle but it appears that with progressive powders like the Nitro Chemie types the pressure occurs further down the barrel than more conventional powders. I wonder if this is reliable enough to use in older actions. The theory being that peak pressure would not occur in the chamber but would be spread out more down the barrel.

Hmm. I'm not sure. I was playing around the other day with IMR 4350 and some Hornady bullets. Won high overall score at a military rifle shoot, the second day I owned it. It's a m96 Swedish mauser, so whatever kind of wood they used is what the stock is. It does have some nice figure for a military rifle. I look forward to shooting this one more. Found some Lapua brass the other day for $80.00/100. Well worth it to me, for the quality of brass you get. By the way, this old rifle was shooting 1 moa 3 shot groups, with 3 different factory loads. Surprisingly, thats with irons. Should be a pretty easy rifle to load for.

I’m pretty sure that like the 6.5 CM you could stuff the case with horse poop and seat something that fits down the bore and they will shoot great. They are both super easy to load for. Not for your M96, but RL26 and a 140’s at 2900 turns the Swede into a whole nother machine. I’d imagine most of the book data is made for those old Swedes isn’t it BSA?

tag

Originally Posted by beretzs

I’m pretty sure that like the 6.5 CM you could stuff the case with horse poop and seat something that fits down the bore and they will shoot great. They are both super easy to load for. Not for your M96, but RL26 and a 140’s at 2900 turns the Swede into a whole nother machine. I’d imagine most of the book data is made for those old Swedes isn’t it BSA?

I can't remember what the book said concerning loads for the m96, but I went with a middle of the road load of 38.5 gr. of IMR 4350 and a 129gr. Hornady pill and it shot great. No signs of overpressure and excellent accuracy. I look forward to working on some more loads and now that I have a taller front sight, maybe I can cut the x-ring out of a few targets...

Lilja barrel on Remington action
Lapua brass
fed 215
Reloader #26
127g barnes long range accubond or 130g accubond
49.5-51.5g
I use a forster long powder funnel
VERY accurate. 51.5g is going 3150 fps
Work up to this load in your rifle.

Originally Posted by keith

Lilja barrel on Remington action
Lapua brass
fed 215
Reloader #26
127g barnes long range accubond or 130g accubond
49.5-51.5g
I use a forster long powder funnel
VERY accurate. 51.5g is going 3150 fps
Work up to this load in your rifle.

Great info! How long is your barrel?

1919 Carl Gustav...

30 grains RL 7, 160 RN... kicks less than a 243, or feels like it, with the original factory military stock...
29 inch barrel runs it right at 2350 fps.

30 grains of RL 7 or 4198, and a 120 ballistic tip....that is running right at 2500 fps..

both are pretty darn accurate....recoil is almost non existent with the factory stock..

Originally Posted by Seafire

1919 Carl Gustav...

30 grains RL 7, 160 RN... kicks less than a 243, or feels like it, with the original factory military stock...
29 inch barrel runs it right at 2350 fps.

30 grains of RL 7 or 4198, and a 120 ballistic tip....that is running right at 2500 fps..

both are pretty darn accurate....recoil is almost non existent with the factory stock..

Awesome. Thanks John.. I may have to check into those for my Carl Gustav..

I tried 50.0 RL26 with a 130 accubond in Lapua brass in my tikka Swede. 5 shot avg 2770 fps. Tula LRM primers. I could probably add a couple grains. Barrel gets real hot very quickly with RL26.

Barrel only has 25 shots through it, do Tikka barrels speed up after 150-200 shots like a Bartlein does?

Not sure about Tikka barrels but the 130 load sounds like an easy shooting combo. I played a little 26 and 130 ABs and they were quite speedy.

Tried the 120 E-tip at 3.00 OAL and got a 4” “group” out of the same rifle. Gonna seat them deeper and try again. RL26 might not be the best powder for the 120, I may try to find some RL16.

Didn’t run any 120’s that I can remember with 26, but it might be okay with those monos and a long drop tube. I’d bet you’d get some smoking speeds though.

Yeah, I can’t get the 120 ETip any shorter than 2.87 with 51.0 of 26 so they’re definitely compressed.

My Steyr likes heavier bullets.....140 gr. 150gr.......She gets tighter group's.

Originally Posted by CowboyTim

Originally Posted by Azar

CowboyTim,

Looks like 100% case fill is right at guesstimated max. But note that this is C.I.P. maximum of ~55k PSI and not S.A.A.M.I. max of ~51k PSI (46k CUP).

USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Code

Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 140, Nosler PART SP 16321
Useable Case Capaci: 50.537 grain H2O = 3.281 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.125 inch = 79.38 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.6 inch = 600.0 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.209% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-02.1   98    46.80   2726    2310   49998  11425     95.9    1.273  ! Near Maximum !
-01.9   98    46.90   2732    2320   50353  11449     96.0    1.269  ! Near Maximum !
-01.7   98    47.00   2739    2331   50711  11473     96.1    1.265  ! Near Maximum !
-01.5   98    47.10   2745    2342   51070  11497     96.2    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
-01.3   99    47.20   2751    2353   51434  11521     96.3    1.257  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    47.30   2758    2364   51799  11544     96.4    1.252  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    47.40   2764    2375   52167  11567     96.5    1.248  ! Near Maximum !
-00.6   99    47.50   2771    2386   52539  11590     96.6    1.244  ! Near Maximum !
-00.4   99    47.60   2777    2397   52914  11613     96.6    1.240  ! Near Maximum !
-00.2  100    47.70   2783    2408   53292  11635     96.7    1.236  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    47.80   2790    2420   53671  11658     96.8    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+00.2  100    47.90   2796    2431   54057  11680     96.9    1.228  ! Near Maximum !
+00.4  100    48.00   2803    2442   54442  11702     97.0    1.224  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.6  101    48.10   2809    2453   54833  11724     97.1    1.220  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.8  101    48.20   2815    2464   55225  11745     97.2    1.216  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0  101    48.30   2822    2475   55622  11767     97.2    1.212  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    47.80   2874    2568   59257  11689     99.0    1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    47.80   2693    2255   48469  11443     93.4    1.290  ! Near Maximum !

Thanks, that's about what I thought it would look like. Looks like 7828 would be a pretty decent place to start. Have quite a bit left over from loading .270 Win, always worked good there too.

will be curious to read your results. Any follow up would be greatly appreciated.

Tikka T3 - Been easy to load for. It shoots about everything decent, but I really like these 3 for about everything.

143 ELD-x
CCI Large Rifle
Lapua Brass
50.0 grain RL 26 @ 2815 fps.
.7" 5 shot groups

123 Scenar
WLR
Lapua Brass
48.0 grains IMR 4955 @ 2980 fps.
.6" 5 shot groups

120 TTSX
WLR
Lapua Brass
48.0 grains IMR 4955 @2990 fps.
1" 5 shot groups

Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.

Originally Posted by SDHNTR

Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.

The Barnes if anything have lower pressure than a typical cup & core so load data will interchange. Nosler E-tips do run with slightly higher pressures I am not sure if it is because it is a mono or it has a long bearing surface. Not sure about the GMX so will lump them in with the E-Tips for now and will drop back half to a full grain when loading them if there is not a pressure tested load for the combination I'm loading..

Originally Posted by SDHNTR

Can anybody share some successful loads with non-lead bullets. I read through all nine pages of this thread and only found two lead free recipes. Would love a few more. Thanks.

I'll second that request.

California goes lead free for all hunting next month. I could use a recipe or two to get started.

Thanks,

Geno

I've had a great deal of time to test my RL26 147 eld-m load and am on 7 reloads on some cases now with zero issues so going to post this load

Tikka T3 6.5X55 swede
Lapua Brass
147eld-m
49.5 grains RL26
Remington 9 1/2 primer

2730 fps at 10 degrees
2750 fps at 85 degrees

Shoots tiny groups in cold, hot, rainy, snowy or sunny weather

This one is my hunting load with cases on 4 reloads with zero issues

Tikka T3 6.5X55 swede
Lapua Brass
130 accubond
47.5 gr. RL17
Rem 9 1/2 primer

2930 fps at 10 degrees
2950 fps at 55 degrees
3015 fps at 85 degrees

I don't hunt with the RL 17 130 accubond load in warm weather so it's not a problem for me but thought I would post the noticeable increase as the temps warmed up purely for the benefit of others

Trystan

Trystan thanks for the info. My R26 loads were too hot at over 90 degrees but they may have been too hot at any temperature. I am going to try your R17 load with R16 as it is supposed to be more temperature stable and loads really close to R17. The 129-130 grain bullets have been a staple for my 6.5x55 and the BT kill really well, but so do the Hornaday's and all the others.

Originally Posted by Tejano

Trystan thanks for the info. My R26 loads were too hot at over 90 degrees but they may have been too hot at any temperature. I am going to try your R17 load with R16 as it is supposed to be more temperature stable and loads really close to R17. The 129-130 grain bullets have been a staple for my 6.5x55 and the BT kill really well, but so do the Hornaday's and all the others.

I'm down to my last bit of R17 and purposely haven't bought more. I'd be interested in finding out how well R16 works for you as I'm considering that as well for 130s.

My Barrett Fieldcraft has been tested a lot with the 130 Accubond and the 130 Swift Scirocco. I've tinkered with RL 19, IMR 4350, several different primers and seating depths. The best loads were:

130 Swift Scirocco
42.5 gr. IMR 4350
Remington 9-1/2
Group size was .227
2660 FPS

130 Nosler Accubond
47.0 gr. RL 19
Remington 9-1/2
Group size was .424
2770 FPS

I worked up a decent load for the 129 Internbond which uses 50.0 H4831SC. Wanting a harder bullet for moose hunting, I wanted to use some 120 GMXs I had so I thought I'd load them with the same to try. Turned out they shot well with a few cases I had with standard primers in them. A few I loaded with Fed 215 opened up quite a bit. So I think the powder and charge are useful, but primers might be something to work with. The temps were hovering around "this public range is all yours" (or minus 30°) which is why I tried mags, but apparently they aren't necessary.

My LGS/reloading department said last week that R-16 is gaining fast on H4350 - which was the powder of choice for quite a few years.
So far so good with my Tikka and Kimber Mountain Ascent.

All 3 of my Swedes like slow powders.

H1000, H4831, RL23, RL22, RS Magnum.

H1000 is a real tack driver in my Tikka with 140 accubonds and the 143 ELDX. 51.5 grs over a BR2 primer. Shoots very accurately with single digit extreme spreads.

RL22 is my favorite in my 1896.

Just throwin' this out there, I have 3 surplus '96's in various forms 2 bubba sporters, and one homebuilt copy of a CG 63 target rifle. Original barrels. One load is well liked by all 3 rifles. 130 gr Barnes TSX over 48 gr of H4831SC, Norma brass, Federal match primer. The shortest barrel rifle, 20" carbine gets 2700 fps, sub moa. (5 shot or more groups), good brass life, and average deviation gets around 9 fps.

51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load

Originally Posted by johnt189

51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load

John t, On your Krag...does your guide rib on the bolt act as another locking lug on the right rear receiver abutment?

Originally Posted by flintlocke

Originally Posted by johnt189

51 grains of 4831sc pushing a 140 spbt out of a 1932 6.5x55 31 inch barrel on a krag action using norma brass and mag rifle primers very happy with this load

John t, On your Krag...does your guide rib on the bolt act as another locking lug on the right rear receiver abutment?

Yes I do have a Norwegian Krag action with that safety feature

Is anyone using heavy bullets in the 6.5 Swede, like the 160 Hornady and the 156 Lapua? I have both and am considering loading one of them for deer hunting here in the Northeast where heavy round nose bullets have always been the bullets to use. It just seems to me that the Swede was meant for such bullets.

A friend has a Model 70 Featherweight in 6.5 Swede. He only shoots 160 grain Hornady bullets and has had very good success on deer using them. Mule Deer doesn't share that love for the 160 Hornady, however.

Has anyone tried the 156 grain Lapua on game? Results?

Originally Posted by timspawn

35 grains of IMR4895 under a Nosler Partition 140gr with Federal 210M primer. My Ruger No.1 with put the the first two in one hole at 100 yards.

I’m gonna try something like this... light load of IMR-4895 or RL15... with 123 AMs as a mild (2500-ish?) deer load this fall.

Anybody try such a thing?

with a 120 grain Ballistic Tip... in a 1919 Swede...

powder charge was 30 grains of IMR 4198, and also had done 30 grains of 3031, with the same bullet...

both times ended in successes....

awfully kid friendly also, minimal recoil in a Factory Military Trim Swedish Mauser....

When it appeared to be inevitable, all copper, I started a couple years ago, juggling components. In two bubba sporters, 22" barrel '96 Swedes, I settled on 48 Gr H4831SC, WLR primer, 130 gr Barnes TSX, getting 2700 fps. Five shots at 100 yds consistently group 1 moa, occasionally smaller. Because I'm using original military barrels with the long throat, I never bothered with tweaking seating depth. Just as personal preference, I give the loaded cartridge a gentle little bump with the Lee factory crimp die just to narrow my velocity deviation. After all the experimentation and juggling components for a whole summer...basically I ended up with the exact duplicate of my pre copper load...just substituting the 130 Barnes for the old 129 SST.
My point being if you have a proven cup and core load for your Swede already, you may just want to substitute just the copper bullet to start with...hardly anybody but me likes military barrels hacked off at 22". Good luck guys.

Originally Posted by Seafire

with a 120 grain Ballistic Tip... in a 1919 Swede...

powder charge was 30 grains of IMR 4198, and also had done 30 grains of 3031, with the same bullet...

both times ended in successes....

awfully kid friendly also, minimal recoil in a Factory Military Trim Swedish Mauser....

Great insight as usual John thanks a lot!

Originally Posted by efw

Originally Posted by timspawn

35 grains of IMR4895 under a Nosler Partition 140gr with Federal 210M primer. My Ruger No.1 with put the the first two in one hole at 100 yards.

I’m gonna try something like this... light load of IMR-4895 or RL15... with 123 AMs as a mild (2500-ish?) deer load this fall.

Anybody try such a thing?

It worked pretty well for me in my Swede

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All of the 120-125’s were around the 2500 mark with 34 grains of H4895 in my 22” rifle. I never fiddled with them for perfect shooting since they were for younger hunters who weren’t shooting further than 200 yards.

Really easy shooting loads though.

Perfect Scott that’s what I’m looking for thanks I’m on it!!

Originally Posted by efw

Perfect Scott that’s what I’m looking for thanks I’m on it!!

No problem buddy. That is one of my favorite combos for a young killer. Super light on recoil and some bullet weight that really hammers deer.

Good stuff Men, I listed a 140gr NPT with RL-22 earlier in this thread, perfect load for my hunting weight 6.5x55, have since had a varmint/target rifle in 6.5 Swede built on a M-70 long action with a 7.5 twist 28 inch Kreiger barrel, it's load:

New Lapua brass
53.5gr H-1000
147gr ELD
CCI-BR2
COL 3.130 inch
VEL 2940 fps..............with latest lot of H-1000.

Will put three in 2.5 inches at 500 yards, haven't had a pig or coyote come out yet to try it on.

My Fieldcraft likes this one a lot

129 Spire Point
46.5 gr StaBall 6.5
Nosler brass
Federal 210M
COAL 2.970

139 Scenar over max dose of MRP in Lapua brass.

DF

Originally Posted by Hookset

My Fieldcraft likes this one a lot

129 Spire Point
46.5 gr StaBall 6.5
Nosler brass
Federal 210M
COAL 2.970

What kind of velocity are you getting ?

Sorry so late replying. I'm getting 2830 FPS and tiny little groups.

Originally Posted by Hookset

Sorry so late replying. I'm getting 2830 FPS and tiny little groups.

No worries, thanks for the update. I have two pounds of Staball that I want to try in my Tikka.

Seafire, thanks for posting your mild loads for long throat milsurps on page 9. I needed another brush gun like a hole in the head, but a Norwegian Krag followed me home the other day....Bubba sporter, cleaned it up, and the first load I tried was your 30 gr of Rel-7 and a heavy roundnose...bingo. With iron sights, 10 shots in less than 2 moa with a bore that looks like a poorly maintained culvert. Big smile, because that is not how my yard sale bargains usually turn out.

Looks like my Tikka loves Reloader 23 behind Sierra 130 gr Gamechangers.

With three different loads, all were 5/8" or better.
My best 3- shot group was 3/8" at 100 yds.
2830 FPS
3.0 ES
47.8 grains.
COL- 3.100"

I'll be playing with that one some more.

Had a friend of mine work up this load for whitetail/mule deer.
Devastating at 200 yards or less, where most of my shots are taken.
Mod 70 FWT
160 gr Sierra round nose, #1750 (not made anymore)
42 gr #4350
cases trimmed to 2.155
Win large rifle primer
2460fps, not the fastest, but quite efficient, 3 shot groups inside 3/4' at 100

Have now gone a Hornady round nose bullet. Haven't taken anything with these yet, no change at the bench

'A friend of mine uses the now discontinued Hornady 160 grain round nose 6.5mm bullet in his 6.5x55 and likes them very much. He has taken a bunch of whitetails with them. Mule Deer found fault with their performance, as I recall. I have a box or two on hand.

Tag. I see a Swede in my future.

Okie John

This was a good thread to read tonight at 2 AM, when I wake up and can't get back to sleep...

I'll have to think about dragging out some of my Swedes, to get me thru winter per usual...

Been playing with the Ruger American in 6.5 Grendel a lot lately, doing load development that per usual are off the tracks, way out in left field...

As usual also, a lot of guys like those slower powders where I am a mid range powder guy.. 4064 and RL 15 being the first two powders I reach for for this round....

The 6.5 bore is almost as much or more fun to play with than the 6mm and 22 caliber bores...

Might as well run thru what I have before Joe Bin Biden send Bozo ORourke to the front door to collect anything I have that goes bang...
before I am hauled off to the Gulag for being a White Middle Class guy, who is conservative, believes in God, isn't gay, military veteran... who hates Antifa and NLM, democRATS.. who doesn't smoke, doesn't hardly ever drink alcohol, is against legalization of drugs, even dope...hates communists, socialists, child molesters/pedophiles, transients.. and any one else who is a drain on the nation's economy and social system..
Ya know, the type the left thinks is automatically a RadicalTerrorist in leftist eyes...

Less than 72 hours and were back to being ruled by DemocRATS....

In my Tikka Swede days..this load worked well

That rifle is now in AZ with my SIL

Tore down my Savage target 6.5x55.....

Had to borrow the action for a new Pac Nor 20 Practical build

pic 2.....Savage 6.5x55 before tear down (Death from Afar)

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I'll give that one a try in my Tikka. Do you remember the velocity?

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

139 Scenar over max dose of MRP in Lapua brass.

DF

Mine is similar:
51 gr. VV N165 and 139 Lapua Scenar, lapua brass, federal 210m primer - 2800 fps

My hunting load:
47 gr. Varget and 123 Absolute Hammer, lapua brass, federal 210M primer- 3100 fps

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by efw

Originally Posted by timspawn

35 grains of IMR4895 under a Nosler Partition 140gr with Federal 210M primer. My Ruger No.1 with put the the first two in one hole at 100 yards.

I’m gonna try something like this... light load of IMR-4895 or RL15... with 123 AMs as a mild (2500-ish?) deer load this fall.

Anybody try such a thing?

It worked pretty well for me in my Swede

Scotty, were those shot at 200 yards? I shot my old carl gustav this morning. Working on some loads with RL22 and 140gr Barnes match burners. First group was 3 shots at 3/4" approx (I need to measure it), then the last load (44gr RL22) was 1.43" for 5 shots... Pretty centered on the target though. I'm hoping I can hold that on the next military rifle comp my club has next month... I'm debating buying a set of swedish sights (both front and rear aperture) for the old girl, since she shoots so well, but I don't know if it's worth the $400.00 for those sights...

My go-to load is 46gr.IMR-4831, either 130 Berger VLD Hunter or 129 Hornady SP Interlock, RWS LR primers (yeah, I have a serious stash of them), and Lapua brass. OAL is longer than spec'ed because the Ruger 1A has a really deep throat. Accuracy is pretty decent- 1/2 to 3/4 MOA for three shoots, rarely over 1 MOA for five shots.

I kept coming back to IMR-4831 with my Swedish Mausers that came and went over the years, and now the Ruger 1A seems to dote on it. Frankly, I can't try every suitable powder known to mankind and IMR-4831 returns consistent performance so I stopped there - with plenty of other irons in the fire, I have enough experimenting to do to last me.

Originally Posted by gnoahhh

...I kept coming back to IMR-4831 with my Swedish Mausers that came and went over the years, and now the Ruger 1A seems to dote on it. Frankly, I can't try every suitable powder known to mankind and IMR-4831 returns consistent performance so I stopped there..

Tell me about it...

Am considering switching to a modern powder at the next bulk buy, but IMR 4831 has been so good for the .270 WIN over the years, and now also the 6.5x55mm, that it's hard to walk away from.

GR

My 6.5x55 Tikka really likes this load.

Reloader 23- 47.8 grains
COL- 3.100"
Sierra GameChanger- 130 grains

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R26 does really well in the 6.5x55 but might be hard to get a hold of as is any powder now.

I have used 44.5-46.5 grains of norma urp with 120 grain bullets with good results. I have a tikka and a cz, and both have shot well within this powder range.

FN with Shilen.

139 Scenar:
.39” group, 47.2 gr. MRP, Fed 210 @ 2,650 fps
.34” “ 47.1gr. N-560, Fed 210 @ 2,759 fps
.39” “ 48.1 gr. Mil surp H-4831. Fed 210 @ 2,631 fps

155 Mega:
.5” group, 46.5 gr. Mil surp H-4831 Fed 210 @ 2,500 fps

Some speeds clocked, some from data.

Ancient H-4831 smells good, shoots good. Not as old as Ingwe, not as old as I, but really old.

DF

I’ve got a bunch of 147 ELDs I need to try in my Swede. I know Gunner has been raising havoc with them in his Swede. Thinking a bunch of 26 should be a ripper and hard on bucks.

Originally Posted by beretzs

I’ve got a bunch of 147 ELDs I need to try in my Swede. I know Gunner has been raising havoc with them in his Swede. Thinking a bunch of 26 should be a ripper and hard on bucks.

I have that bullet and RL-26, just never tried that combo in my Swede.

DF

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Originally Posted by beretzs

I’ve got a bunch of 147 ELDs I need to try in my Swede. I know Gunner has been raising havoc with them in his Swede. Thinking a bunch of 26 should be a ripper and hard on bucks.

I have that bullet and RL-26, just never tried that combo in my Swede.

DF

I’ve used the 140 ABs for awhile at nearly 2900. Since it’s really only ever going to be a deer getter I figure I’ll give the 147’s a shot in it. Got a passel of Lapua brass for the old bird so I might as well.

Originally Posted by beretzs

Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Originally Posted by beretzs

I’ve got a bunch of 147 ELDs I need to try in my Swede. I know Gunner has been raising havoc with them in his Swede. Thinking a bunch of 26 should be a ripper and hard on bucks.

I have that bullet and RL-26, just never tried that combo in my Swede.

DF

I’ve used the 140 ABs for awhile at nearly 2900. Since it’s really only ever going to be a deer getter I figure I’ll give the 147’s a shot in it. Got a passel of Lapua brass for the old bird so I might as well.

My Swede seems to be a Lapua snob, likes 139 Scenars, 155 Megas and Lapua brass...

Go figure.

DF

Mine shot those 155 Megas real well. Mines a M70 Classic and if I’m not mistaken it’s a 1-7.75 twist and it is just a drill with about everything.

It's been quite a while since I've fooled with any of my remaining rifles, or posted anything here, but here it go's. I'm now past my mid 70's & semi retired, and getting a little bored with the BH's antique & collectable furniture resale bidnizz.

I picked up a Tikka swede couple years ago and it & it's compatriots have all been left in hibernation for last 5+ years. Last week I had both of the rifles re scoped last week, intending to use both of them for the coming season if at all possible. I have a Marlin SS 270 as my "beater" ready to go that got what little I've used anything before I let the Range Card expire. The Range Card got renewed too.

I just posted a trade deal on my local board looking to pick up some 6.5 & 7x57 brass & bullets as if times had not changed from 5+ years ago like it was still yesteryear's easy access availability of ammo or components. Still have a complete but very small supply of 6.5 & 7x57 components from a previous Swede, enough to get started with again, and have some trade bait in once fired 7Rmg brass from the guy in the Florida panhandle leftover ...but the Wby SS 7Rmg the brass was bought for was never fired and it went away this spring. The leftover 7mm bullets that were bought for the 7mag are all over 150 gr's are going to go away will be hopefully replaced with 120 - 140 gr'ers in similar styled Game bullets to feed an early 70's era 7x57 1st Year's limited production run from the rebirth of the WW Fwt's , and is in a little better condition for a component stock pile predicament than the Tikka Swede's almost bare cupboard ...but the Swede is going to get used 1st based the success I had with my 1st Tikka Swede.

So the 1st ?? is .....what items should I chase initially and are the hardest items to find in components in 6.5x55 stuff? Got enough Swede brass & bullets to get started with to support mebbe a steady batch of 50-100 rounds of ammo. & about ditto for the 7x57 except for the leftover 150/154/160 gr bullets meant for the now departed 7rmg .... just don't want to leave the the Vintage caliber shooters at home anymore. Ya'lls comments are appreciated.
Ron

Originally Posted by sakoron

It's been quite a while since I've fooled with any of my remaining rifles, or posted anything here, but here it go's. I'm now past my mid 70's & semi retired, and getting a little bored with the BH's antique & collectable furniture resale bidnizz.

I picked up a Tikka swede couple years ago and it & it's compatriots have all been left in hibernation for last 5+ years. Last week I had both of the rifles re scoped last week, intending to use both of them for the coming season if at all possible. I have a Marlin SS 270 as my "beater" ready to go that got what little I've used anything before I let the Range Card expire. The Range Card got renewed too.

I just posted a trade deal on my local board looking to pick up some 6.5 & 7x57 brass & bullets as if times had not changed from 5+ years ago like it was still yesteryear's easy access availability of ammo or components. Still have a complete but very small supply of 6.5 & 7x57 components from a previous Swede, enough to get started with again, and have some trade bait in once fired 7Rmg brass from the guy in the Florida panhandle leftover ...but the Wby SS 7Rmg the brass was bought for was never fired and it went away this spring. The leftover 7mm bullets that were bought for the 7mag are all over 150 gr's are going to go away will be hopefully replaced with 120 - 140 gr'ers in similar styled Game bullets to feed an early 70's era 7x57 1st Year's limited production run from the rebirth of the WW Fwt's , and is in a little better condition for a component stock pile predicament than the Tikka Swede's almost bare cupboard ...but the Swede is going to get used 1st based the success I had with my 1st Tikka Swede.

So the 1st ?? is .....what items should I chase initially and are the hardest items to find in components in 6.5x55 stuff? Got enough Swede brass & bullets to get started with to support mebbe a steady batch of 50-100 rounds of ammo. & about ditto for the 7x57 except for the leftover 150/154/160 gr bullets meant for the now departed 7rmg .... just don't want to leave the the Vintage caliber shooters at home anymore. Ya'lls comments are appreciated.
Ron

I saw some Nosler 6.5x55 brass at shootersproshop.com last week if it's still available.

Originally Posted by sakoron

It's been quite a while since I've fooled with any of my remaining rifles, or posted anything here, but here it go's. I'm now past my mid 70's & semi retired, and getting a little bored with the BH's antique & collectable furniture resale bidnizz.

I picked up a Tikka swede couple years ago and it & it's compatriots have all been left in hibernation for last 5+ years. Last week I had both of the rifles re scoped last week, intending to use both of them for the coming season if at all possible. I have a Marlin SS 270 as my "beater" ready to go that got what little I've used anything before I let the Range Card expire. The Range Card got renewed too.

I just posted a trade deal on my local board looking to pick up some 6.5 & 7x57 brass & bullets as if times had not changed from 5+ years ago like it was still yesteryear's easy access availability of ammo or components. Still have a complete but very small supply of 6.5 & 7x57 components from a previous Swede, enough to get started with again, and have some trade bait in once fired 7Rmg brass from the guy in the Florida panhandle leftover ...but the Wby SS 7Rmg the brass was bought for was never fired and it went away this spring. The leftover 7mm bullets that were bought for the 7mag are all over 150 gr's are going to go away will be hopefully replaced with 120 - 140 gr'ers in similar styled Game bullets to feed an early 70's era 7x57 1st Year's limited production run from the rebirth of the WW Fwt's , and is in a little better condition for a component stock pile predicament than the Tikka Swede's almost bare cupboard ...but the Swede is going to get used 1st based the success I had with my 1st Tikka Swede.

So the 1st ?? is .....what items should I chase initially and are the hardest items to find in components in 6.5x55 stuff? Got enough Swede brass & bullets to get started with to support mebbe a steady batch of 50-100 rounds of ammo. & about ditto for the 7x57 except for the leftover 150/154/160 gr bullets meant for the now departed 7rmg .... just don't want to leave the the Vintage caliber shooters at home anymore. Ya'lls comments are appreciated.
Ron

Reloading components are slowly becoming more available..... with the exception of primers. Good 6.5mm hunting bullets are scarce too. I have found you have to keep looking at the online merchants to get your powder and bullets, but it is out there esp if you are willing to work with powders that are not the "go to" powders of the tacti-cool crowd.

I don't know if this is verboten to post here but these are where I have gotten resupplied with powders:
Powder Valley
Midway
Brownell's
MidSouth Shooters Supply
Precision Reloading
Natchez
Hodgdens

For bullets:
Red River Reloading
Scheels
Shooter's Pro Shops
Midway
MidSouth Shooters Supply
LG

Glad to hear you have rediscovered lost passions.

Just picked up some 156 gr. Oryx's from Grafs. Midway has them as well.

Will split them between my nephew's Swede and my CM.

Primer's & Powder ...I went back through one of the storage chests last week, looking to see what was still around and found 3 box's of 1K count primers. All of my factory ammo & reloading stuff & most of my hunting gear are stored in a free standing lawn storage shed that is not heated or AC'd. The building is weather tight & had been the previous owners grand children's play house, and we renamed it the Toy House. Guns of course stay in the house under lock and key. So,,,Do ya'll think these primers are still viable? I sure hope so as there are no primers I can find in East Texas & don't have the time to run all over DFW ... 100/150+ miles away looking for some.

All of my powder, about 10+ lb's is still in factory cartons, and has been stored in a running refrigerator like it was at Lake Texoma where we came from, with the fresh eggs, soft drinks & beer etc - but not in the freezer section where the frozen stuff stays - that are in the 3 stall carport's tool shop storage area. We use those 2 extra refrigerators behind the carport to store the bulk buys from the grocery store...as Old Habits die hard for geezers like us after living 40+ miles from the grocery store.

If I ever get reinstated here again I've got some shooting/hunting stuff that's been picked up at some of the auction's that the BH & I have made a bidnizz out of in odds & ends I'll post in the classifieds.
Ron

"It's been a while" but I'm looking to get back in the reloading game again more than few years later than planned. For a first rifle to use, I'm going to use a new to me, lightly used Tikka Swede and have several can's of 4831 to start with and some other selections too, but more 4831 than anything else from my 270 only days. The cans of 4831 are from different mfg'ers that have been stored for several years unopened in a running refrigerator. With 30+ years of reloading experience "from back in the day" tells me to try a couple different bullet weights from different mfg'ers from 120gr's that are mostly Remington & Speer and up to the slightly heavier Nosler AB's and concentrate getting ready for hogs and WT's this winter as the goal.

2nd ? ...are the older Hornady & Nosler Manuals on my shelf still current enough to be GTG with initial bullet weight and powder weight choices to get started, then as always let the rifle teach me what it likes best?
Ron

Originally Posted by flintlocke

Seafire, thanks for posting your mild loads for long throat milsurps on page 9. I needed another brush gun like a hole in the head, but a Norwegian Krag followed me home the other day....Bubba sporter, cleaned it up, and the first load I tried was your 30 gr of Rel-7 and a heavy roundnose...bingo. With iron sights, 10 shots in less than 2 moa with a bore that looks like a poorly maintained culvert. Big smile, because that is not how my yard sale bargains usually turn out.

Almost been a year when Flintlocke posted this. First, you're welcome buddy, Glad to help out.

Revisited the concept this past weekend, still works real well. I am trying to help out a campfire member with a bad shoulder and neck problem, who hunts with a Swede. Figuring loads like this might be the ticket. Recoil is silly soft, mild push... no quick kick back...

The load with the 160 grain Sierra and Hornady Round Nose bullets, duplicate the old 1890s velocity at right around 2300 fps.

But a little quicker, with the 140s from Remington @ around 2400 fps, equal to the old 300 Savage velocity range.

120s are about 2500 fps, and the 100 grain B/Tips or 100 Sierra HPs, equal what a Grendal can push them at.

In fact this 30 gr RL 7, pretty much turns the old Swede into a Grendal., although I doubt anyone has a Grendal with a 29 inch barrel, like this 1919 production Carl Gustav. and as a bonus.... the Nordic Accuracy Gods smile on this combo also....

I walked out of the garage with the old Swede this morning, to put it in the safe... and the two deer grazing in the front yard, just took off...
They must know something about a Swede also... normally they just look at ya, while they munch away on the green grass in the front yard...

So glad this thread has such life. 6.5X55 is my favorite cartridge. I've been on kind of a hiatus from reloading for a while. When we moved down south I took all my reloading stuff to my son's in Missouri, more or less pre-inherited it to him (other than my pet caliber dies). Now I've re-set up to load here and the 6.5X55 has come up on the agenda.

Curious, has anyone had any experience with the Sierra 130 grain HPBT GameKing?

Originally Posted by Seafire

[quote=flintlocke]Seafire,

The load with the 160 grain Sierra and Hornady Round Nose bullets, duplicate the old 1890s velocity at right around 2300 fps.

I load the 160 Hornady RN to that speed for my "bubba Sporter", a Swedish Mauser. I cut the barrel to 23" and crowned it and drilled, tapped and installed a receiver sight. "The grand old Hornady round-nose" as one of our members here refers to it, is the only bullet that I've been able to get to shoot well in that rifle. My other Swede, a Sako 85, gets all the pointy bullets.

My Ruger 77 MK/II stainless with Hart 24" barrel is shooting sweeeeet.

I'll be hunting with Speer 140 Gold Dots, 46.0 grains of RL-22, Lapua brass, CCI 200 primers. 2783 fps average.

1/2" 3 shot groups @ 100 is close enough for me.

Has anyone messed with Ramshot Hunter in da Swede?

Right group is 120 NBTs 47 Gr RS-Hunter CCI250s & PPU brass; left is 140 SGKs 49 Gr H4831 CCI250s & PPU brass.

Very very happy! Thanks for all the direction on these loads fellas!

Looking forward to confirm in an what my bro Kenjs1 said about those SGKs on whitetails!

I’m doing a spot & stalk spring black bear hunt in May & this rifle & one of these loads (or 130 NABs?) will likely accompany me…

A campfire special right here:

You will not be disappointed brother. Glad it is all ironing out.
Same 140 SGK with H4831sc out of my 260 was GOAT. Looking forward to pics of DRT soon
and gotta admit the rifle looks great ....even with the red pad!!!!

Originally Posted by kenjs1

You will not be disappointed brother. Glad it is all ironing out.
Same 140 SGK with H4831sc out of my 260 was GOAT. Looking forward to pics of DRT soon
and gotta admit the rifle looks great ....even with the red pad!!!!

especially with the red pad.....

tradition tradition tradition...

I had really good luck with RL23 with 130 and 140 gr Nosler Accubonds for both velocity and accuracy. I was a few grains above Alliants max load and used Lapua brass.

Who posted the Seyfried article on the Campfire fairly recently concerning the 6.5 Swede? I bookmarked it but the link no longer exists. Thanks

22250 posted this several months ago:

In the Feb. 1991 issue of GUNS & AMMO. Ross was the shooting editor at the time and did an article entitled; " 6.5 It Does It All" and according to Ross, "There are no better medium bore cartridges than the dynamic duo of the 6.6x54mm Mannlicher and 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser". He was hunting in Alaska with a Model 1903 Mannlicher-Schonauer in 6.5x54 and also helping his friend Tom Rigden build a new hunting camp in return for some hunting opportunities. It's a good article and he covers both the 6.5x54 and 6.5x55 quite well. That was the article that sparked my interest in the 6.5x55 and I knew I had a copy of that issue around here. Didn't get a chance to dig it out until tonight. Sure seems like the article you mentioned.

This might the same article I read that also got my interest and lead me to buy my first 6.5x55! 1991would be about the right time. If you would be able to scan the article it would be awesome and a trip down memory lane!

I was looking up VitaVouri loads for my M96/38. When I came apon 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser and 6.5x55 Scan, SE . My question was "What's this?" Turns out there is a new CIP standard. And a warning from VihtaVouri, The 6.555 Scan loads are for modern rifles.

52-53g of R#22
120-129g bullets shoot tiny groups
custom 6.5x55

'16 Spanish Mauser with a 24" Numrich barrel in 6.5x55

120gr Nosler BT with 43.5gr of IMR4350 going roughly 2700 - 2750fps (need to chronograph it).
3/4 - 1 1/4" group at 100 yards (5 shots/bench)
the 120gr NBT bullets is leftover from the 6.5CM. it should be 140gr Hornady SST that goes roughly 2600-2700fps.

my youngest son's rifle

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