New to the 45-70 and 1895's.

Any problem shooting Nosler .458 Partitions in the 1895?

I have a 1895 LRX.

You'll have to load them to 2.55" OAL. Crimp with Lee FCD.

If you are going to use heavies, I highly recommend the Beartooth Bullets Piledriver. Advertised as a 525 grain bullet, the ones I have weigh 540 grains (lube and gas check), are accurate, penetration is excellent, and they are designed for use in a Marlin 1895.

The bullet I prefer is the Beartooth Piledriver Jr at an advertised 425 grains. Same nose profile, just a lighter bullet but still capable of taking anything North American.

But you probably have a bunch of those Partitions.

Thanks for the tip, I have both Lee and a Redding crimp dies

I do have some Partitions. I ordered some Piledrivers from Beartooth but have seen nothing from them. They must really be backed up in orders...??

They take awhile, it's a mom & pop operation and the owner refuses to compromise quality.

It's an excellent choice.

I read an online article a few years back where a Marlin shooter had shortened the 45-70 cases a bit, so he could crimp into the crimp groove on some 500 gr bullets, and keep OAL that would work in the Marlin. Apparently it worked fine.

There were pictures. I'll see if I can dredge up that info.

Sure but You do not need them. A 405 gr cast at 1600 fps with H4895 will kill anything on NA.

Needs and wants are two different things.

I have owned, used and reviewed a lot of Marlin 1895's over the years but here are some 500gn handloads I worked up in a 22" barrel.
I tried the Hornady on feral game, mostly pigs and billies. Worked fine but each were single loaded as the OAl was too long to cycle through the action. Never thought of reducing the case length to assist because they were simply test loads to see if the bullet would expand at lower velocities that the usual .458. They did, but in stalking, I tended to get close, something around 50 - 80 yards during the culls.

500gn Hornady RN.
50gn IMR 4064 1491 SINGLE LOADED ONLY
46gn AR 2206 1416
48gn AR 2206 1434
44gn AR 2207 1550 2668 Good Load
45gn AR 2207 1576
45gn Rel 7 1531
46gn Rel 7 1564
48gn Rel 12 1366
50gn Rel 12 1439

AR 2207 is H 4198
AR 2206 has derivatives these days that equate to H 4895 though the burning rate is almost the same. Working up from a couple of grains below will safeguard against mishap.
John

Something to consider with your new shooting pea with heavy loads - recoil. I guarantee you'll run out of recoil tolerance before you hit max loads. The 1895 is no cupcake...............

Yep.

I was shooting my Guide gun at the range one day, testing some Piledriver loads. The guy next to me asks what cartridge I was shooting.

Said I was moving back 18" during recoil. I don't fire many at one sitting. Keeps the headaches down.

I'd much rather fire the PD jrs that run about 100 grains lighter.

Great info for sure. I have both H 4198 and H 4895 on hand. Thank you very much!! I have the 22" barrel as well.


Yeah, I am sure I'll NOT enjoy the recoil. I'll be good for a few loads, at least. ha!

H322 is also a good powder, keep it in mind if you have some on hand.

Yes, I have some of that too, thanks.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../re-45-70-cast-bullets-deer#Post12101941

Good Grief! that's a load!

With WW cases, H322, and the Piledrivers, 1550 fps out of a Guide gun is possible at 35.5 Kpsi, a relatively mild pressure.

This load basically duplicates the Garratt load that has such a good reputation.

I could go for that.

I have some Starline brass and some Hornady which is shorter brass.

You won't be disappointed with a good 400 gr jacketed bullet like the Speer, over 53 gr of IMR 3031 at about 1850-1900 FPS.

That's an old Elmer Keith load that I've used for years.

Also, don't be a hero..............put a recoil pad on that 1895.

MM

I have some of that too.

Looking forward to getting out and shooting it. Can't now because of fire restrictions in our county.

The LRX has a real nice pad, glad for that!

In a moment of stupidity a few years ago, I sold my original mid-70's no safety, 1895 that had a recoil pad.

I bought another exactly like it a year and a half ago & it just has the hard, solid butt-plate & it will really knock the hell out of your shoulder............to the point of being black & blue.

MM

I have mistakenly hot-rodded some 405 grain slugs in my Guide Gun. Still looking for some one to burn up the last 85 rounds for me. One experiences both recoil and torque when touching those off. If one is stepping up to 500+ grains slugs, I'd suggest one use modest loads. The 500+ grain rounds are popular in BPCR circles for use at longer ranges, but we're using rifles in the 10 to 15 lb range. Do let us know how things work out.

The LRX I have actually has a 24" barrel and a Decelerator pad on it from the factory.
http://www.guns.com/reviews/marlin-1895xlr/

I added XS Ghost sights AND a Smith Enterprise ladder sight for long range shooting.

The ladder sight I have comes with a tightening thumb screw on the side to eliminate movement
when shooting.

I figure 1,500 mv for the 500s will be enough and 1,600 for the 400's

This gent from OZ seems to have a pretty good handle on the long range game.
He is using a Smith Enterprise sight.

This target data has loads I fired in a #1 (where they are safe), but can't vouch for their safety in the Marlin. But they work in my #1 only in the Interbond version at cannelure length. The Interlock profile runs up against the leade in my rifle.

Perhaps lesser charges of 4895 would also work well in the 1895?

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