I managed to snag a few bottles recently but haven't done a whole lot of loading with it yet and certainly haven't gotten to the range... so has anybody had any Miracles with it?

I tried it didn't like it

I wouldn't say I've seen it perform miracles, but I think it's every bit as good as H4350 in the .30-06 with 180 Partitions. That's all I've done with the stuff myself.

Shot good in a 30/06 with 150gr Accubonds about 3025fps.

I bought 5 pounds last summer when Powder Valley had it in stock. I used it for my 338 WM with 210 Partitions with good results.

I didn't push it much as I was only looking for acceptable accuracy to hunt elk with and wasn't too concerned about velocity. These are the velocities I got and I used the 68.5 grain charge for my hunting loads as it gave me the best group.

67.0 - 2679 ES: 23
67.5 - 2699 ES: 14
68.0 - 2720 ES: 26
68.5 - 2749 ES: 26
69.0 - 2769 ES: 27
69.5 - 2780 ES: 50


Soon I'll be playing around more with RL16, but this time with 185 grain Barnes bullets. I'm curious to see if I can get to 3100 fps. I'll also be trying it with my 270 Win. and 130 grain Accubonds, and maybe my 30/06 with 178 grain Hornady ELD-x bullets.

My Creed likes it. Great accuracy with 129 Interlocks at 2900 fps.

Shot RL16 in my 270 Win with 110gr Barnes TTSX BT 56.5gr got 3400fps. CCI200 primer win cases 3.260OAL
Same exact load of RL17 gave 3401fps. shot in Sako A7. Today.

Beats any other powder that I have tried for speed and accuracy in my 284 and 300 wsm.

I am in load development with it now. Trying to find a load for the 165 NAB out of my 06. My first attempt was using a recommend load of 57.0 grs. Accuracy was around 2 inches. I know I know that was stupid and I should have just reduced and worked up my own load, which is what I'm doing now. I will agree its RL17 (4350 type of powder) in a different skin. Just need to find that magic number. Well that and the other 5 numbers that make up the Power Ball :-D.

-HaYen

It's fantastic in the 6.5 CM with 140gn bullets

Best load I found for 30/06 with 165gr Accubonds was Norma MRP.

RL-16 and RL-17 loads can run pretty close.

Based on that, I'm not sure which one is slower; you'd think RL-17, but it can't be by much.

DF

RL16 and RL17 run very close if not the same. Works very well with the 110gr Barnes TTSX and the 150gr Accubonds.
Going to load some in my 30/06 after lunch.

Loaded the RL16 with the 150gr Accubonds. May loads some Hunter with 150gr Accubonds later.
Going to load some more RL16 with 165gr Accubonds. Last load shot real well. Will add .5 gr to
load.

Interesting. I was wondering how 16 compared to 17. Haven't had an opportunity to try either one.

Pet load?

DF

Velocity @ 15' from muzzle

358 Norma Magnum FN Mauser Custom 26" Barrel
Brass: Norma
Bullet: Nosler 250 gr Spitzer Partition
Primers: Federal #215

72 gr
AV: 2722
ES: 23
SD: 8.0

73 gr
AV: 2757
ES: 55
SD: 17.5

74 gr
AV: 2775
ES: 17
SD: 4

75 gr
AV: 2796
ES: 16
SD: 4


30-06 FN Mauser Custom 22" Barrel
Brass: Winchester
Bullet: Nosler AccuBond 165 gr
Primers: WLR

57 gr
AV: 2796
ES: 21

57.3 gr
AV: 2823
ES: 24
SD: 9

57.6 gr
AV: 2834
ES: 34
SD: 11.1

58 gr
AV: 2856
ES: 14
SD: 3


6.5x57 Mauser 1933 Banner Custom 24" Barrel
Brass: RWS
Bullet: Lapua 155 gr SP Mega
Primers: WLR

40 gr
AV: 2413
ES: 14

40.5 gr
AV: 2446
ES: 22
SD: 6

41 gr
AV: 2461
ES: 40
SD: 14.8

41.5 gr
AV: 2476
ES: 33
SD: 11

57gr RL16 gives 2987fps with 165gr Accubond 3.260OAL R/P case CCI 250 primer 24" barrel.
No pressure. will load more. will have to compare load to 165gr load with MRP.

I wouldn't say miracles, but it is very consistent in my creedmoor under 120 gr ballistic tips, producing just over 3000 fps in my 22" barrel.

It wasn't my rifle, but my brother switched from 17 to 16 in his creedmoor, also with 120 BT, and he is getting very similar results between the two in both accuracy and velocity. Gotta compress the load a bit to get to 17 velocities though.

Haven't done any evaluation of temp sensitivity, but that was the primary motivation for us to use 16 vs 17 in the creedmoor.

My findings exactly, RL16 takes up more space than RL17 and RL23 takes up a lot more space than RL22. Except
for that I like the 2 new powders a lot. I use RL 16 in 270 win and 30/06 and RL23 in 270 Winchester.

completely different animal but I'm running 105 grains in my custom .40 cal smokeless muzzleloader with a full formed 297 Hammer bullet and LRMP ignition.

First load I shot was on a fouled barrel to the point of getting hard to load, after I fired a shot it was like loading on a clean barrel which tells me 2 things, it does erase fouling and it also burns very clean. it is also very temperature insensitive. I have now shot a good bit of the stuff and from 82 degrees to 3 degrees I only had a 34 FPS variance in velocity. speeds with this load are right around 3000 FPS. also some of the best es I have had in any gun period. I don't know how well it does in regular center fires but for what I'm doing I couldn't be more pleased.

Sure would be nice of Alliant to put some data up for their powders.

R-16: http://alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Powder.aspx?powderid=41

Their entire guide: http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/catalog/2018_Alliant_Powder.pdf

Sounds like a devastating ML load

I've found excellent loads for my Creedmoors with 140's, and 30-06 with 165's. I've used a lot of RL-17 as well, and 16 seems to be just as accurate, but with maybe a little more speed.

I have great luck with it in my 6.5 CM. I run 43 grains with a 140 Gameking for 2840 fps, and 43.3 grains with a 120 TTSX for 2920 fps. Both loads have single digit sd’s. These are from a 24” barrel.

340 Boy,

The Alliant website states 16 is slightly faster than 17. But powders wiith burn-rates close to each other can (and do) switch burn-rates in different applications.

I've used it only in the 6.5 Creedmoor and .260 Remington. It worked well in both, but in the Creedmoor at least one other powder got better accuracy with the same bullet.

Have you seen the new data released by Speer in advance of their new reloading manual? It includes data using the newer Alliant powders.
If not, you might check it out here: https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/reloading/rifle

The new Speer data contains the .30-06 Holy Grail- a 200 gr bullet with RL26!

Hello MD,

Have you used the R16 in the 9,3x62? Seems to be a great one for 220/286 grs bullets...

Thank you and have a good new year!

PH

Reloder 16 is less dense than other powders with the approximate burning rate of 4350 so not as much will fit in a case.
When I tried it in the .370 Sako (9.3x66), which is very similar to the 9.3x62, filling the case up to the neck produced only 2415 fps with 286 Noslers.
Reloder 17, 2000MR and Big Game are more suitable.

Cheers,
Walt

Thanks for the link, Kimber. However, they still have pathetically little data for the new "temp insensitive" powders. Maybe they'll finally provide some data when the powders are on the market for 20 years or so. Put it on the market with no data, very typical of these guys. And I love their powders. No need to rush this stuff!

Alliant doesn't have much data, but boy I was sure impressed by the data that Speer has!

taz4570- did you check out the Speer data? It's looking like RL26 will be my only powder I'll need for my 270 Win., even for 130 grain bullets. And RL16 is looking really good in the 30/06, of which I have two rifles to load for. One I've got some 178 grain Hornady ELD-x bullets to try and the other I'll be using 150's. RL16 data looks good for both. Which is great since I can't get H4350 anymore.

Though I havn't tried it yet, I think 16 should be good with the 308 with 168-178 Gr. Hornady bullets I want to try.

Thank you wswolf.

PH

You are most welcome.

Also found Reloder 16 to be adequate in the .358 Norma (though not as good as H4350 or IMR4451) with 250 gn. Velocity around 2750 and groups around 1-1/4".
It was very good in the .220 Swift with 55 gn bullets and excellent in the .30-'06 with 168, 180 or 200 gn bullets.

Walt