I see load data for LVR in the 308 and 338 Marlin Express. Burn rate is close to H-380, CFE-223, 4320 and Pr Pro 2000.

Load data is pretty close to H-380 in the 338 Marlin Express, similar velocity, slightly higher pressure. In the 308 Express, load data close to CFE-223, slightly faster, similar pressure.

I'm using Varget for 160's, H-380 for others in my .338-06. Would like to work up loads with LVR in that round. I'm thinking about trying comparative H-380 and CFE-223 starting loads, using the Chrono to see how it works. There is no data on line, 338-06 with LVR.

What ya think?

Getting out too far into the Loony woods??

DF

I'm using LVR in the 300 Savage and 250 Savage. Since I'm now out of LVR, I have switched to CFE 223, at least until I can get more LVR. They are close in burn rate. I'm also experimenting with CFE in the 308 and 223.

I see no reason why it wouldn't be useful in the 338-06. As you say, try starting loads with CFE 223.

DF

I'd say your gtg! Keep us posted on your results.

You guys sound like hard core Loony types...

Think I'll give it a whirl.

DF

I use lever lotion powder in the 300 savage. Basically 308 marlin express data.

Gonna branch out to the 35 R.E.M. And perhaps 308,356 also.

Love LVR run it in my Grendel, 35 Rem, 30-30 and 223.

LVR should be pretty equivalent to CFR-223 and similar burn rate powders.

Ii wonder why they have just pushed it for the 30-30 and a couple others..

DF

LVR gives identical results to H380 in the 8x57 with 185 gr Core-Lokts.

Anyone have an idea of how it would work in a .356 Win?

Only in 35 Remington DF, it will easily power a 220gr Speer to 2175 fps in a 336 Marlin 20 inch barrel.

I think it would be stellar in a 356 Winchester, you could start at my max load of 42gr Leverevolution with 220gr bullets in my 35 Remington and work up till you and the rifle are happy over a chronograph.

gunner, your fav 338-06 powder, H-380, seems to produce more velocity per unit of pressure than other Hodgdon listed powders for that round (200 gr. bullet). It's probably gonna be my go to, at least with heavier bullets. You and Seafire push it beyond the 61 gr. Horn max,with 200's, but with the Horn pressure of only 52K psi at 61 gr., maybe you guys are onto something. Other powders max out at 62-63K psi..

The Loony in me wants to see what that gun will do with LVR. LVR burn rate is close to the popular 338-06 powders, H-380, CFE-223, RL-15, Pwr Pro 2000, 4230, slightly faster than Big Game. So, one would think it should work.

LVR's added performance in the 30-30 may or may not show up in other rounds. I've seen that with boutique powders, such as H-100V. As you well know, H-100V is the speed champ in the .257R, maybe not so much in other rounds. LVR is reportedly clean burning, reportedly cleaner than CFR-223, so who knows. LVR is a newer powder than H-380, but may not be better.

I'm wondering if Hodgdon's lack of more universal LVR data means it's only a stand out performer in the 30-30, not that much of a bonus in other rounds. Or maybe they're too busy to work up LVR loads in multiple rounds.

Hmmm....

DF

You Looney You 210gr Partitions at a bughole accurate 2800 fps is plenty good for me in the 338-06 to stop the search, cases fall from the rifle, and last forever, no doubt more powders available today for the manufactures to try in every possible cartridge bullet weight combo, same/same with the little Roberts and 100gr TTSX's at 3250, accurate, search over ; ]

Gunner, you getting soft, losing your Loony edge...

Seriously, you are 100% correct...

Point well taken...

I may try a few rounds to just see how it goes, then load up a few boxes of the final load and move onto another project.

Just talked to my hunting bud. He and I never shoot the same rifle more than one season. I think the 338-06 will be my next year's deer and hog rifle. He's going to be using his .270 Wby Shilen/Ruger tanger 77. I'm going to load some 140 NAB's, 130 gr. killed WT's were a bit messy at the skinning shed. Slightly slower 140's may not be as bad.

DF

Works great in my .223. 26 grains behind a Hornady 75 HPBT with moly.

AR?

There was a post about LVR "over gassing" a black rifle.

Does that mean it's a progressive burner, higher pressure down the tube than with conventional powder?

DF

Show nuff Buddy, we have to many to keep keen with!

Dirtfarmer, Kimber montana 2900 FPS

Just watched a video comparing Pw Pro 2000 with LVR in an AR 5.56 with 77 gr. bullets.

The LVR velocities were faster, PP 2000 was more accurate. I saw no mention of LVR "over gassing" the AR, so not sure about that.

DF

I am fortunate to have a range in my yard and during the great Obama component panic, I did a lot of fiddling around trying to substitute powders for established loads in my rifles. Like an idiot I didn't document my findings, expecting at any time the panic hoarding would fade and my old tried and true powders would be back on the shelves. Well, anyway, for some reason there was quite a bit of LVR available locally. So I started fooling with it, in a number of cartridges, one thing that I observed, with a full or near full case, 7.65 Belgian, 8x57, 7.62x53 etc., it yielded about the same results as the powders I was trying to replace. H380...Bl-c2..CFE223. Ok so far, then going up in case volume, 8mm-06, 9.3, 30-06...non case filling loads...I started getting erratic velocity variations. Tried substituting primers, still, 70-80 fps variations. Big velocity swings make me nervous so I quit right there. So, have any of you observed this result? Hodgdon's own description clearly states "a narrow range of applications".

Interesting. Thanks for that info.

One suggestion as to why only a limited LVR push by Hodgdon, it may be a joint venture with Hornady, as both names are on the bottle. It was suggested that there may be less incentive to push a powder when you have to split the proceeds. Not sure about that, but it does raise some questions.

Maybe it's just that good in the 30-30, not as good in other rounds.

Your results with larger volume cases sorta answers my question about trying it in the 338-06, which will save me time and powder. The Fire saves me money, but costs me even more...

Think I'll stick with H-380 and may push it a bit, as pressures at max are still pretty low compared to other powders. I'm sure gunner and Seafire would agree with that, as they're pushed it beyond the listed max in the 338-06 with good results.

DF

Actually, Dirtfarmer, I'd like to see your results trying LVR if you already have it on the shelf, just to (in)validate my anecdotal results..I could just kick myself for not accurately recording my observations. But it did seem to me that increased airspace had something to do with the big velocity swings. Another thing occurs to me, the '06, 9.3 and 8mm-06 use boat tails. Could this be a factor?...so many questions, so many variables, so much ignorance. Sometimes I think knitting would be a good hobby.

I have a can, may try a few rounds just out of curiosity, but think H-380 is going to be my go to powder for 180-225 gr. bullets. Not using 250's due to length and loss of powder room; they're pretty slow compared to the .338 WM.

The 160 TTSX works very well with Varget, probably stay with it for that one.

DF

Hmmm, the 35 Rem is another one I haven't tried Lever in. I've been focused on some other rounds that are newer to me, but I need to get back to the old 35 Rem and try that. It makes a lot of sense in a lot of cartridges; in my experience if powders like TAC are the top velocity performers for a cartridge, then Lever should work well too.

It'll dang sure make the old 35 Remington a stoner Yondering, I still cant believe how hard that 220gr Speer hit that White Oak AFTER it went through both shoulders on the bedded white tail buck 156 yards away, I should go back and dig that bullet out someday.

Due to the shortages, can't find preferred 2000 mr powder. I don't like rl 17 in carbine barrels. So comparing leverevolution against reloader 15 in a 20 in barreled 338 rcm.

Leverevolution is right beside 2000 mr on the burn rate.

I'll say it's quite dense. Its so fine it binds up my powder hopper.

I was able to fit 66 grains under a 225 grain fusion with no compression, which is a full case. I started at 53 grains. I'll run these over chronograph soon and report back soon......

I know you don’t mess with the 223/5.56 because it’s the devil but leverevolution works very well in it as well.. There was a rumor that leverevolution was the same as cfe223 but hodgon said wasn’t true. If you need more let me know all our 3 bears have it and pretty cheap compared to other powders.

Ran the 225 grain fusion LVR 338 rcm rounds in the ruger rifle. Chronograph wouldnt work at 3 degree winter temp. Battery must be giving low voltage.

Anyhow, ran up fron 53 grains. Very erratic results: shiny marks on case heads where the ejector slot is cut out of the bolt face starting at 55 grains. Then, no marks and nice looking primers at one grain more powder. Then, the ejector marks would come back. As I progressed to 61 grains, ejector marks went away, and primers looked great.

All brass cases extracted easily. I didnt go past 61 grains. This LVR is some erratic stuff. I won't use anymore of it.

Back to good ole reloader 15.

If RL15 works good I bet you a bag of pancake mix Biggame powder will work great in it.

Just me- I never had any luck with Lever
powder in the guns I bought it to use in.
I couldn't get any decent accuracy out of
anything I tried. Might have bought some
more velocity, I don't know- didn't check.
If the accuracy isn't there, more speed and
noise won't do me any good

I use it to run 6.5 Grendel @ 2700fps with 31.3 grains of powder under 123 gr Nosler CC's. This is out of a 24" CZ 527. In the future I want to use it with SST's and Gold Dots for a hunting load.