I am really liking this 6mm ARC cartridge as a deer hunting round. Much like I have been very happy with the 6mm Remington as a deer hunting round. IMHO this 6mm ARC, say in a mini action rifle offers a lot in terms of a hunting round very suitable for deer to coyote. Clearly my interest varies, perhaps drastically from the general hunting public in our country.

Last summer I started shooting the 6mm ARC in a 22" barrel Savage Axis, followed by a re-barreled CZ-527 to 6mm ARC also a 22" barrel. The CZ 527 6mm ARC was my favored rifle to take out deer hunting in November. Took my nicest deer to date on the 2nd day of season at 254 yards. Never has a deer expired any quicker.

I am also a big fan of the 17 fireball & we see where that went. Thank goodness I am a reloader. So like stated in the title, what does the fire see as the future for the 6mm ARC in the AR platform as well as a bolt action?

Looks to me like Grendel brass isn't going anywhere. I think the arc will be around as long as there's brass.

I wish there was more support for the .224 arc/grendel/whatever than just a few sources.

I like the ARC too, and have done the Grendel brass resize thing..cept I can`t find 6.5 brass either. Had to bite the bullet, no pun intended, and buy some loaded ARC ammo to reuse the brass. After 1 1/2 yrs, I`ve got 120 pieces.
220 Russian is a bit too much foolen around.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt.../fs-lapua-6-5-grendel-brass#Post17338315

That really is to much. From time to time I have been buying Lapua 6.5 Grendel brass lately for roughly 1.15 per piece with shipping to my door. looks to be sold out at the moment.

Optimistic that Starline & perhaps others will be kicking out 6mm ARC brass b4 long.

If I`m gentle with the stuff, it should last a while. I do like shooting the rifle/cartridge tho, and for only 28, 29 grns of powder the payback is worth it.

Guess we`ll see.

suppose I enjoy working up different hunting loads. Last season the 108 gr Elite hunter was in the end the load I chose to put to work & she did the trick just fine. Considering a monolithic for the coming season.

Coming season will likely be just a doe tag. Anyone care to weigh in on minimum Impact velocity for effective expansion for a Nosler 90 GR E-tip?

Suppose it's the same for all calibers. Pulled from Noslers site.

As mild as the ARC is I would want a softer bullet.

Looks like Ill do some load work up & see if I am able to achieve a safe accurate load in my 22" bolt action. IM anticipating 2950ish muzzle velocity, though time will tell.

If I am able to achieve the 2950 then I may have fine expansion out to 250 yards. Think Ill at least give the load work up a whirl W power pro 2000 & LVR & see where we go from there. Have some factory 2nds picked up for roughly forty cents a bullet. I think this may be worth exploring a better table fair load.

Some water filled milk jugs at 2- 250 should give a clue..if you can catch a bullet.

That will be the plan to finalize the decision if this bullet is up to a 250yard hunting scenario from the 6mm ARC in my rifle & load recipe TBD.

Let us know how she went...Good Luck!

I just finished a 6x6.8 which is about identical in capacity, load data and performance to the 6 ARC. I’m planning to use it for deer & hogs, along with varmints. Crazy accurate rifle.
Concerning bullets, I agree that mono are the way to go in these smaller diameters for larger game, but I’ve decided to stay with 80 grain bullets for deer. Ttsx etc. which I’ve used for many years in others. I want a pretty good velocity to take advantage of the toughness of the bullet.
For some reason, the CX doesn’t shoot as well as the ttsx. Weatherby varmintmaster action
20.5” Bartlein barrel.
Might be tough getting 2950fps with 100+ grain bullets in the ARC.

That’s how I test bullet expansion too. A few wet catalogs stacked behind the milk jugs helps catch the bullets.

Giving a 87 gr Absolute Hammer consideration as well.Though their price point does not look near as attractive, especially for target shooting. Though on game I am optimistic. That is not saying much as I am optimistic on many 6mm hunting bullets in different respects.

I'm building an ARC on a Savage action with a Shilen barrel. I was attracted to it since it's soooo close to the PPC that I'm interested to see what kind of groups it can achieve. All the parts are still currently in a box for now, but it should make a good winter project.

Left over thread from this summer... but for the 6 ARC if you can achieve 2900 fps MV, which I can also do with a 6.5 Grendel...
and I have got a 6 ARC on my want list in a Ruger American Predator, seems to me there are plenty of ideal bullets as candidates that would just fine with this cartridge....

Sierra 80 gr SP, 85 Sierra SP and HP, 100 SP, 90 and 95 Game Changers, Hornady 87 HP, SP V Max, Speer 85 SP, 90 SP, 100 SP, Nosler 80, 90, and 95 Ballistic Tip, 95 & 100 Partitions...plenty more...

at the same time, take a 243 and use IMR 4198 with 30 grains of powder and many of the same bullets I posted above would give you between 2600 to 2900 fps, if ya already got the 243.... I have used that combo a lot over the last 2 decades.

Seafire: No intrest in a howa mini?

I've got a pair of Howa Minis in 223...and I picked up the Grendel in the Ruger Predator Action, 22 inch barrel...

I like the heavier barrel weight on the Predator. Didn't like the metal Magazine on the Predator and was looking around for a polymer magazine for the 6.5 Grendel....asked Ruger and a host of other sources and was told that they didn't make one. Was over at the range and a Retired Marine buddy was there, who shoots competition strictly with Garands, M 14s and M 16s. He was in town for the weekend for a match, as he lives 110 miles or so over on the Oregon coast. I asked him about if he shot the Grendel, he said no, but tossed me a 223 polymer mag in 5 round capacity, and said "here, try this and see if that fits". Dropped in as sweet as could be, and held the 6.5 Grendel rounds with no problem... Fired 5 rounds thru it and each round fed a lot better than the Ruger Factory mag.

So I went over to Sportsman's Whorehouse and bought me five ten round polymer mags, for $8.00 a piece with my military discount. From Ruger a 10 round mag would cost me $50 each, and it would be another metal one.

So right there are the reasons, I'd pick the Ruger American, over the Howa Mini....for the Grendel and the 6 ARC.

With a sample of one, the Predator in the Grendel, is more accurate with everything I feed it, than my Howa Minis are in 223. Actually originally I bought 3 Howa Minis from Whitakers, which came with consecutive serial numbers, when they were available for like $300 each from Darryl. I wanted two for myself, and the third was a gift for another Retired Marine Buddy who is disabled, and exists on a limited income, who is in his early 40s. That is his main rifle for Oregon Deer Hunting...although I am sure he'd like the Grendel as an upgrade...But an 80 ELD or a 75 BTHP from Hornady does just fine taking down Oregon Blacktail for James each year with that Howa Mini...

I built an AR upper for my kid in 6ARC. It worked great and is probably the most accurate upper I have. My -80# kid shoots it really well, this year she watched her buck drop in the scope, as recoil is nil.

The AR recommended pressures are lower, and with the powders I would prefer to use the velocity is pretty anemic. It’s crazy how much higher the velocity can be at safe pressures With CFE or lever velocotoes are way higher than Varget or 8208. I used 8208 and 108’s at 2440 out of an 18” barrel. For long range it drops to about 1800fps at ~500 yards depending on elevation. It shoots fantastic at 600 yards though.

I thought about doing a bolt gun but on anything other than a mini action am concerned about feeding issues due to the short case. Similar to the 6br issues folks have sometimes on a std short action. I’m thinking I will just go with a 6cm on a tikka.

Basically I think it’s hamstrung by lack of temp stable powder options with good velocity. And potentially feeding problems in std short bolt actions.

I don’t think it’s going to to wind up a super popular commercial success.

I prefer the 22 PPC AFI version,but have multiple rifles in .243" as well(all Krunchentickers). Lapooey brass,Lever',7" RPM and 88's for me. Hint.

No thang to feed a Turnbolt via AICS DBM and fret zero in feed/function. I default to massaged AM steel 5rd 223 mags,but MDT makes multiple 10/12rd mags that'll perform in like fashion. Hint.








'Course,there's no flies on THE Carbon Queen Mini either. 7" RPM and 88's at 19",in a dupe. Hint.






Just sayin'.

Hint...............

243 Grendel. Hint.






I tend to default Lapooey,Lever' and 105 Hornie HPBT's and always ASC's. Hint.................

Brownells has 6.5 Grendel Starline brass at $66 per 100...unless the order I just placed,cleaned them out. It's wayyyyyyyyyyy better than Norma or Hornady. Hint...............

I guess Starline has upped their game. I got some in 308 and 243 a while back and the cases didn't have very uniform neck walls.

Another good option for sourcing Parent brass for forming 6mm Arc is this Starline 6.5 mm Grendel at Druid hill Armory for $60.00 per 100.



https://www.druidhillarmory.com/sto...unt-3-Bags-per-customer-limit-p413717138

Been working great I'm my 6mm ARC anyhow. Hint...............

Ok Starline has went a long way towards lightening the supply concerns for 6mm ARC brass & Ammo prices are trending somewhat lower. Firearm availability has been a bit better from my perspective. Currious what we may see for developments in terms of supply of ammo & firearms in the coming 5 years.

Question seems to be why go 6mm ARC when I could go so many other directions or I already have that box checked with a .243 win & ammo is more readily available & Pricing is easier on the wallet. Many other cartridges pencil out better for most any task. Yet I have no regrets on giving the 6mm ARC a try in a CZ 527 action.

I do not own a AR rifle, though if i did 6mm ARC would likely win out, for my use. Suppose you could go multiple directions if Ar was your cup of tea, with different uppers.

With brass availability ever happen, then I'll do a 6 ARC.... I love the Grendal.

Over lack of brass availability, I decided to go with a 6 x 45 instead. Brass is pretty much free with 223 range pick up brass, and is almost limitless. Neck size up to 6mm with a Hornady Neck sizing die, and bump the shoulder back with a Redding 223 body die. The Body die first and then the neck sizing die. Pretty simple.

I have shot bullets from 65 grains to 105 grains. With the 105 grain BTHP, I've shot 25 grains of AR Comp, and its not far behind the 6 ARC and its 29 grains of most powders. I have some 103 and 108 grain ELDs to test velocity on...

Can run 90 and 95 grain Ballistic Tips at right around 2800 fps, out of a bolt action Savage with a 20 inch barrel, and the same with a Model 70 with a 24 inch barrel. Factory 243 ammo with the 95 grain Ballistic tip is not that far in front of it for speed. 100 fps or so....or 2 clicks up on your elevation knob on your scope.

I don't think I really ever need a 6 ARC, but I like the concept, so I'll still have to get a barrel to test one out., but I'm realizing that the 6 x 45 in a bolt action is fitting 90 to 95% of the results an ARC would yield and brass is basically free if you go to a shooting range, where people shoot a lot of 223, and then just leave it on the ground. Would 4 more grain case capacity in powder really give me that much more in the long run? Had to really believe it would be worth it, all things considering...

If brass was " free" and plentiful for the ARC, just like 223 brass is for me now.. I'd go with the ARC... but since it isn't, then the 6 x 45 is "close enough for government work".....this fall's results on a blacktail will make that clearer to me, or leave me heading back to the primary hunting cartridge in that 6.5 Grendal in a Ruger Predator.

Isn't it great tho to have 2 choices so close together, yet not that far apart in the recoil arena...both with low recoil, and results out of proportion for their size and powder needs...

What's not to like here.... that 6 x 45 rings steel at 300 and 400 yds with NO problem.. the 6 ARC would be just a slight bit better.. but the deal breaker for me is ALL of that Free 223 brass....

Wow not obsess aver 4 whole grains of powder capacity! Stick will be here shortly.

Rickety,

Bullets matter wayyyyyyy more than headstamps and due the Fact that you don't shoot,you'll never begin to understand such SIMPLISTIC ballistic constants...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

While an increase in case capacity is nice,it's not nearly as important as the windows of opportunity cast open,due the HUGE advantages inherent viable projectile selection. Hint.

Fortunately for you,Imagination,Pretend,Lying,Crying,Whining and Stealing Pictures are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

Pardon my controlling your every thought,"move" and Avatar. Hint.
















Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

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Rickety,

It's nice that you found something you can "do" and here's to the Sweet "Satisfactions" that are surely your's,in being able to Steal Pictures...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Fortunately for you,Imagination,Pretend,Lying,Crying,Whining and Stealing Pictures are free,so even YOU can "afford" to "contribute". Hint.

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Simply pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud with your GoogleFu. Hint.



Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

Rickety,

Everything is bigger in Texas,especially The Hurt Feelers and Thieves...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

"Sorry" for my controlling your every thought,"move" and Avatar. Hint.

















Simply pardon wares that exist,as you Pretend aloud with your GoogleFu. 105 A-Max here. Hint.



Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............

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ain't easy being Schtick...