Pretty much what the title states, I am trying to load for a 223 Remington with 55r bullets and was hoping someone had a good recipe with H335.

Thanks!

25grs

25gr. with 52-55gr bullets

24.3 gr behind a 55 gr Nosler BT is what i'm using.

I use 25 grains of H335 in my AR15 rifles.

I did a Google search on this same subject and 24.7 and 25.0 were the majority of the replies. (for the AR15)

I then fed this into Quickload using Lake City cases with the most case capacity with 30.6 grains of H2O. And cases with the least capacity of 28.0 grains of H2O.

The purpose of this was to shoot mixed .223/5.56 brass for close range practice at 100 yards or less and "NOT" exceed the max pressure of 55,000 psi.

Below Lake City brass with the most case capacity of 30.6



Below cases with the least case capacity at 28.0 grains of H2O



As you can see there can be a 6,000 psi difference in chamber pressure between a "few" cases. And as you can see below the majority of the American made cases only vary a few tenths of a grain in capacity.



My 2 1/2 cents

NOTE: The load above are NOT for short throated .223 rifles and were worked up for the AR15 rifle with its loner throat.

25.0 gr here also. Great load! I use the Sierra #1365 SBT's.

I did switch to Ramshot TAC about two years ago though. Great performance, much easier metering, and cleaner burning.

Bobcat,

You really find TAC meters better than H335?

I have had good luck with 25 grains of 335 with any 55 grain bullet but when you run out of 335 look at benchmark and TAC. Both meter well, tac better than Benchmark, are way less sensitive to temp swings and burn a lot cleaner than 335

Put me in with most of the others................

LC Brass, Remington 7 1/2 primer, 55 Grain Nosler BT (seated .020" from rifling) and 25.0gr H335..........shoots 1/2" or less out of my Remington 700 ADL sporter .223

Tried .010" off rifling and just touching rifling and groups opened up dramatically.............from 1/2" at .020" to over an inch for both of the other OAL settings.

I've had various rifles that weren't so picky on seating depth, but this remmy seams to like all loads around .020 off the lands.

Moral of the story is............don't be afraid to "play" with seating depth.

To the OP, are you looking for a Gas Gun or bolt gun load?

I only shoot 335 for chits and giggles, junk it and go to Benchmark or LT-32 for 50 - 55 grainers.

A Kimber Montana. Want to use 55 FMJ bullets for turkeys so as not to blow them up.

We've had good luck using a 90r Sierra FMJ out of a Ruger No 1 243 on turkeys too.

The H335 is just for light bullets, I usually use LeverEvolution and 75 Hornady HPBT bullets with decent results.

Thanks to everyone for sharing their loads, I appreciate it.

P.S. I loaded 25gr of H335 with Sierra and Hornady 55r FMJ.

Should be safe with that. I also use moly.

Take care.

- Joe

26g H335 is standard in a bolt gun with 55g slug. Drop to 25 or 25.5 for a gasser.

Yep.......

Milspec is 28.5gr of WC844, which is the military equivalence of H335. I've run that in some of my 5.56 chambers, but it's too hot for a gas gun with a .223 Chamber.

My standard load is 27.5gr with a 55gr NBT, however when using the Vmax, I find it necessary to drop back another gain.

Keep in mind, this was with Mil surplus powder, so it's possible my lot was a little on the cold side.

H335 is highly temperature sensative, so now that I've used up that 8 pounds I'm looking at the more modern powders. TAC and LT32 are looking very promising.

WC844 is different from WC846 only on an "As-built" basis, the recipe is the same. WC846 you call Bl-c(2). The original patented recipie comes from the 30's, and Olin doesn't make it anymore anyway, so don't think they are all that different.

As for the "Sensitive" issue, Denton did tests with H335 against Varget, and H335 was much more stable. So don't get to wound-up about theory of it all. MOST of the stability "problems" that powders take the blame for, come from people cooking them in chambers(or freezing).

Also don't think that QuickLoad can tell you what is happening. Hartmut really struggles to accurately describe how any ball powder out of General Dynamic's Florida plant.

BurninDupont

I was just looking at this post to see what had been added and went to your original load question and the light bulb came on. And I hope you know your asking a "loaded" question.

You say "I am trying to load for a 223 Remington with 55r bullets" BUT didn't say what type rifle. I have two AR15 rifles and a Savage bolt action .223 and the throat on the Savage is the same length as my AR15 rifles. Years ago I had a Remington .223 with the shorter type throat so be careful . Meaning any load data given here like what I posted earlier "may" be too hot for your rifle. I posted 25 grains of H335 for a 55 grain bullet for my LONGER throated rifles and the #9 Hornady manual for a "SHORT" throated .223 is 23.2 grains of H335 for the same 55 grain bullet.



Look at the link below and the first throat/freebore figures listed for the Savage chambers. My Savage .223 throat length is .0566 and the same as a AR15 rifle.

HOLLIGER ON .223/5.56 CHAMBERS
www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm

And even more variations in chambers below, so be careful of "what you read on the internet".



Bottom line, my .223 Savage with a 1 in 9 twist has the same throat/freebore length as a AR15 rifle.
Savage decided their chambers needed to be big enough for the .223 cartridge and be able to fit the company lawyer in.

5.56 vs .223 – What You Know May Be Wrong
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

The chart below shows that the throats can cause approximate 6,000 psi difference with the same powder charge.





I'm on my fifth cup of copy and glad the light bulb came on. So the moral of the story is never trust faceless strangers on the internet until you have cross checked the information at least a few thousand times.

So you are on your fifth cup of copy and paste of someone else's info.
LMAO, Well done.
What a phlucking Maroon.

Yea, it's pretty funny that he's thinks he's being original with the 223/5.56 Chamber pictures. That picture's only been posted on The Fire a thousand times.

Yep you are spot on.
Would really like to see some proof of HIS work , since he says everyone else is full of chit.

Note to self
8-28-15

Email the State Police Criminal Profiler down the street and send him this link. Ask him again to explain that Sigmund Freud thing about men over compensating for having a small penis. And then ask why so many people here suffer from the tragic Small Penis Syndrome (SPS for short.)

Also ask if I should send these upstanding gentleman a gift coffee cup and try and see this from their perspective.

Actually military training images and coffee go way back and one of the most famous is below. An image is used in training because it is "implanted" in your memory and much less likely to be forgotten.



But some people never get the message, and they are the phlucking idiots.

It's almost as if Dumb Don started taking testosterone and learned to cut and paste.

Just another Larry Root persona. Now GFY and I don't mean that nicely.

All I know, is I've had two times that I've had a 223 case blow, and enough to damage the action and stock....

both times they were factory loaded ammo...

and both times the load was supposedly 25 grains of H 335, with 55 grain FMJ bullets...

I don't bother with H 335 on any loads...

If I am using any flake powder, I took J.Barsness recommendation of TAC.. or good old W 748...and using up the 5 lbs of BLC2 still left over...


and if you are into PyroTechnics, take a round loaded with H 335 and fire it in the dark...it will light up a 12 x 10 area real well...gotta be one of the flashy-est powders around...

and I don't think it is very temp stable at all...

Your statement is confusing, if the cartridges were factory loads how did you know they were loaded with 25 grains of H335?

If you have a factory bolt action and it has a short throat, 25 grains of H335 is way over a max load. This was in my earlier posting that upset the class clowns over posting the throat photo.

Hodgdon

H335 .224" 2.200" 23.0 3,018 40,800 CUP 25.3 3,203 49,300.

Sorry Dippy but even hodgdon doesn't agree with you on a 25 grain load/ with 55 grain bullet being over max.

I think big ED knows what it's like to have a max load in his throat...

Dear Swifty52

That's because the load data I posted came from the Hornady reloading manual and not the Hodgen's website.

http://www.nosler.com/nosler-load-data/223-remington/

Nosler and Sierra don't agree either as 25 grains being over Max.

Neither do Lyman or Speer.

Yup, agree.

Neither does Quick Load.

If a Hornady reloading manual falls in the forest/forum and no one is listening does it still make a sound? (23.2 max)

Remington 700, 1 in 12 twist





And if a Hornady oak tree falls in the forrest/forum and lands on your head does it still hurt?

59,561 psi



Simply amazing, you tell someone to be carful with the all the loading data, and it turns into another train wreck.



And some people don't know beans about rifle rests.





Here in Pennsyltucky rests are not needed as long as you keep the corn piles no more than 5 feet apart.



Its amazing what you can learn when you go to the grocery store to pick up some beans and hit the magazine rack.

Boy Ed,

Kudos on being able to piss off that many decent people in a short 3.5 weeks... and 55 posts...

that takes some real talent...

You're not on Obama's advisory staff are ya by chance...

So your telling me your one of the decent people here. I think you must be on the Fox News advisory staff with all that blood coming out of your whatever.

Interesting you post a copy of the Hornady manual then show the pressure of a 55gr GMX thats not listed in the manual.

eddie, settle down now, your showing your obsessiveness.

Remind me of a guy I found at my range as we were talking about lack of primers. Told him I was experimenting with using large pistol primers in my 243. He jerked back and loaded his stuff into his vehicle most rikytick. He never stopped to ask the obvious questions as I sat there with all my fingers and eyes.

Can you think of what that question should have been? Betcha gonna tell me using those primers like that is very dangerous instead.

I'm shooting 25 grains of H335 in two AR15s and a bolt action Savage with a long throat and posted this load in my first post. Then I wondered what type rifle the OP was shooting and the type throat. I look through several manuals and Hornady has lower data for a .223 than their 5.56 loads. I then tell the OP to be careful and then the class clowns come out and make comments.

The Quickload information shows that by just changing bullets the pressure can jump well over 4,000 psi and be over max. Its a sad day when you tell someone to be careful and a bunch of clowns turn the posting into a train wreck.

And now for the viewing pleasure of all the know it all class clowns a word from the Gunny.

big ED,

Be careful not to make yourself look like a douche.

I'm not worried because all you other full time douchebags are making me look good.

And the more you say douchebag the bigger target you become.



So here is the next 55 grain bullet lesson.

The green tip bullet on the right is for shooting A-Holes and the red tip on the left is for everything else.



I have to go now, I'm loading up for a "Walking Dead" marathon on Netflix. And since there are no commercial breaks I won't have time for douchebags.

Geez, big ED. All I did was tell you to be careful and you start acting like a clown.

Higbean

Did you know you have made five post here without giving any load data the OP asked for. And in every post you made you are acting like a grade A large clown.

So come on Higbean and dazzle us with your reloading expertise with some load data you have with a 55 grain bullet and H335.

And if you can't then just STFU and be a good boy.

The really sad part is how far you arm chair commandos have lowered the quality of these forums with your stupidity and trashing the postings.

Coming from you this is just.....
Well the smiley says it all.

So we have another knowITall "expurt"....who thinks if he insults everyone enough we will all listen in awe of all of his knowledge, abilities and experiences...

Nothing new... so I'd gather its another retread that has plenty of experience being booted off of forums and then coming back with a new handle and alias...

Yet he is doing so thinking no one will notice.. and he must be the very first one trying that angle...

anyone quoting Slavey or Rauncho BoZo has to "have friends in low places"

Ed's Profile of the Better Side?

And if these forums had moderators doing their jobs many of you regulars here would have been banned long ago for what you have said and done here.

Its a shame that its Dodge City here and people have to fire back at the drunken rowdy cowboys to keep their heads down. It would be nice to see a postings with a Marshal keeping order, with the drunken sidewalk superintendents put in jail or hung.

In the neck sizing slugfest with you clowns here is the last posting by the OP.



So how many more postings are you upstanding and out of control members here going to trash? Or did you forget after the OP removed his expander like I said and his runout was cut in half. Or the load data I posted here came directly from the Hornady manual but it isn't good enough for you.

So again how many of you here think you are the only ones who knows how to reload or can read.

If this forum was moderated, the only person getting the boot would be you for being a first class dick head.

The beauty of the campfire is the almost total lack of moderator interference. If this were moderated as some outsiders think it should be, 24hr would be nothing.

Speaking of a nothing, how are ya eddie?

The Hornady manual with a 55 grain bullet and H335 lists 23.2 grains as a max load and the Sierra manual lists 27.5

And you call me a dick head for telling the OP to be careful. This subject has come up many times and deals with the throat length of the different chambers.

The SAAMI interchangeability warning between the .223 and 5.56 came out in 1979 when the military changed over to the M885 round and lengthened the throat on its M16 rifles. And I'm a dick head for saying be careful.

And if the OP has a short throated .223 the 25 grain average loading we have given him may be a little warm.

So tell me antelope_sniper how many dick heads here ignore safety when reloading.

And its a simple question from one dick head to another, so how long is the throat on your .223 rifle? My stock off the shelf factory made .223 Savage ignored SAAMI guidelines and made the throat the same length as a M16/AR15 rifle.

So tell me dick head, how many older .223 rifles are floating around with a 1 in 12 or 1 in 14 twist with a short throat.

Signed
Attila the Hun

I said nothing about the post you referenced.

I'm referring to your overall anti-social demeanor.

We could "ALL" start over and try not to display "ANY" anti-social behavior.

Neck sizing and sharing loads shouldn't start wars. BUT this would require all parties to edit their anti-social postings and name calling.

I have made the first move.

I removed the images from photobucket but some remain here and the edit feature on the older posts is not present. So it would seem that some of the images are stored at your website. And only your non-existent moderator can turn back the clock.