I have contact with a friend wanting to sell a 5-digit serial number, Remington 700, Stnlss-stl, 25-06. The rifle was originally in BLUE mode but the BLUE was professionally removed.


Rifle has been fired less than 1-box of ammo, maybe, just might be able to find that original box of ammo not likely but will try!

The production date from the serial number indicate's this model rifle was produced for only ONE year 63-64.

Rifle has an old Weaver style Tip-off scope base/rings.

I am not a middle man I will put you in direct contact with Seller...

I didn't think that Remington introduced the 25-06 until well after 1963/64. Do you know what the assembly code on the barrel is?

Jeff

Deleeted...no lngr necessary

The action was made in 1963/64, but Remington didn't start chambering the 700 in 25-06 until 1969/70, so it would seem reasonable to infer that is more likely to be a parts gun then it is to be an original factory specs gun.

There is a 2 or 3 digit assembly code of the left side of the barrel, just ahead of the receiver. The codes for 1963 and 1964 are "K" and "L".

Jeff

the 2506 wasn't introduced untill 1969... there was no such animal in 1964... no ammo and no cartridge... you either have a rebarreled action or the wrong info from Remington...

regarding Stainless Steel removing bluing doesn't make SS... I can't remember what year SS was introduced in the model 700... I know the sendero's in SS started in 1996.

remington did do the older .264, 7mm & 300 mags in stainless steel and then had a "blued coating" applied, think possibly a .17 also, but those are the only ones I'm aware of back in the pressed checkered era...

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I owned and sold a 300 Win mag with the Blue over stainless!

And the stock on this is PRESSED CHECKERING...

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Trying to get this info asap...will post!

K

To date the assembly from the barrel code, you need either 2 or 3 letters, since "K", by itself, could indicated the month or the year.

Month codes:

B = Jan
L = Feb
A = Mar
C = Apr
K = May
P = Jun
O = Jul
W = Aug
D = Sep
E = Oct
R = Nov
X = Dec

Years that "K" has been used as the year code:

1941, 1963, and 1990

Jeff

1) 5-digit serial number; Rem called "1963"

2)"The codes for 1963 and 1964 are K and L.Jeff"

I make 3 phone Long D phone call's in order to find out code letter which needs to be a K.

3) I am told barrel code is K.

Now this:

"you need either 2 or 3 letters, since "K", by itself, could indicated the month or the year"

There 'were' numbrs/letter preceeding the K I did not know I needed those other wise I would have gotten them on my 3rd call, when I found out about the K...


Here is how I see it: out of the 5 necessary elements to accurately date this rifle it has FOUR:


+1) Has 1963 serial nmbr on the receiver.
+2) K is correct barrel code for 1963.
+3) Stock has pressed checkering
+4) Rifle has open sights AS DID MY 300 WIN MAG 700, BLUE OVER STAINLESS.

5) I do not have those letters or numbers preceeding the K

Nobody wants it here...going to auction

I am not making any other calls!

I never saw a price on this - what's he asking for it?

But you don't know if the "K" on the barrel is the month code for May or the year code for 1963. The assembly codes ALWAYS consist of either 2 or 3 letter. If only 1 letter is present, that suggests that the barrel has been set back, because the year code letter has been milled off, and it is not an original factory installation.

Despite the 5-digit SN, I think that it would be very unusual for Remington to build a rifle in 1963/64 for a cartridge that they didn't introduce until 1969/70. But, as with many things, YMMV.

Jeff

"1963/64 for a cartridge that they didn't introduce until 1969/70."
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You know the 3" 629, with unfluted cylinders, Black front sight blade...that every once in a while is up for auction for 6,7 or 800 bucks... I had serial numbers 89, 90 and 91 two yrs before the were in the open market..way back when I had my FFL....

Oh and that 700/ Blue over stainless 300 WinMag I was telling you about: I got it from an elderly fellow back in late 69', old gent told me he had it for almost 6yrs....

I am absolutely 'astonished' at some these not inproduction guns that are out there...just crazy...

I am glad the lady at Rem's historical department helped out...

"""funny things happen on the way to the forum"""

Hey, if you and the owner and the potential buyer are all happy, isn't that all that matters?

Even if the lady from the Remington Historical Society gave you good information on the SN, that doesn't mean that the receiver and barrel left Ilion, NY, at the same time. Without matching the assembly code on the barrel to the SN on the receiver, you can't come close to confirming the originality of this configuration.

Caveat Emptor!

Jeff

"Hey, if you and the owner and the potential buyer are all happy, isn't that all that matters?"

Right on...


"Without matching the assembly code on the barrel to the SN on the receiver, you can't come close to confirming the originality of this configuration."...ya never know...

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should have the letters preceeding the K sometime soon...barrel is a measured 24".


"that doesn't mean that the receiver and barrel left Ilion, NY, at the same time."...may apply to ALL receivers and barrels or may not!



I a sure it's going to put up for auction and I am sure there will be a reasonable inspection period so there will be NO "Caveat Emptor!" here!!!

I just figured it would be nice to post this here first!


You can not imagine how nice that 63 is...with me every day...

I have an older remington 700 25-06 take off barrel, that is blued, but the material of barrel is stainlss, and it has open sites on it. Later I'll have to look at the code on the barrel.

is there a price on this?

I just looked thru my file of older Remington catalogs. In the 1970 Remington catalog, there is an announcement of the NEW cartridge offered by Remington as the .25-06 Rem.

Now it's logical to me to see that if Winchester had introduced it, it would be the .25-06 WINCHESTER

Also most any reloading manual states in their pre-amble to the .25-06 that it was intoduced by REMINGTON in 1969

Now that's several printed sources stating the same thing, so it's a safe bet that the information is correct.

If indeed it were a 1st-year production .25-06 it's not inconceivable to believe that Remington COULD have produced them with stainless barrels. I have seen many early magnum M-700's with barrels labeled "Stainless steel". Also most of them had the bluing mottled to something very ugly. I knew one guy who had a .264 Win barrel removed and satin bead blasted to get rid of the mottled look.

That would be the only reason I could fathom why anyone would have the bluing removed.

Thus if the bluing has been removed, any collector interest is therefore null and void; and it becomes just another early M-700 with a SS barrel. BTW: Barrel steel is NOT true stainless and WILL oxidize if not properly cared for.

Further: Any argument on production dates is moot since any collector value is gone. It really wouldn't have any collector value unless accompanied by the original box, anyway.

I've never heard that early .25-06's had SS barrels, but I believe it COULD have happened because general sentiment at that time was that high intensity cartridges needed SS or the barrels would shoot out prematurely. We now know that that thought process is bunk. Which is why Remington ceased to make the magnums in SS and switched over to Chrome moly steel.

It sounds to me as if the owner was hoping to extract a premium for an early speciman.

I know this happens because I know a guy who is building Pre-'64 model 70's in rare configurations and he is very successful at it. (He has somehow managed to procure a set of the original Winchester roll stamps. ) He recently showed me an early model in .250/3000 "Carbine" configuration that he claimed an expert couldn't tell from original. (I certaily couldn't...)

At any rate, it seems no one here is interested. I would like to see someone post the auction #'s if it's listed on Gunbroker or Auction Arms . I'm just curious to see what it goes for...

GH

I'm a little curious too.....enough talk about date codes, post a pic and a price!!

I'm confused.

You initially said: "I have contact with a friend wanting to sell a 5-digit serial number, Remington 700, Stnlss-stl, 25-06. The rifle was originally in BLUE mode but the BLUE was professionally removed.".

Then you said: "I make 3 phone Long D phone call's in order to find out code letter which needs to be a K.".

Now you've said: "You can not imagine how nice that 63 is...with me every day... ".

It appears, from your words, as though your "friend" boards his 5-digit Remington 700 with you, so why make 5 long distance calls? If you have it in hand, why don't you just take a close look at the assembly code on the barrel, look for 2 alpha characters just ahead of the receiver on the left side, and post them. Or, better yet, post a close-up picture of the area of the barrel where the assembly code should be.

The information that you've reported about this rifle raises a red flag for me, therefore my recommendation remains Caveat Emptor!

Jeff

PS: I live in Millard, zip code 68135, so if you want to bring it over, I'd be happy to look at it for you.

gunisemptyohno - Have you posted/sold items here under another username?

Jeff - your PM box is full.....

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It's the 2" 63 I bought from you! Love it...

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I'm really trying to get better pictures; current owner lives in CONNEAUT, OH 44030. He can't hear very well on the phone and the wife needs a magnifying glass to see/read...it has been a struggle.

They did send me some pix's but they are too big...but I am working on it..

Last month I bought a very ltd model 700 CDL 308 from them...I guess only a few hundred of this model 308 were made..

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If I had it in my hands your were the first person I thought of calling about this rifle...I would have met you at GU and then I would have bought you lunch at Mickey's a few doors North of GU...

AGAIN..No C E here...

B F* K


*The elderly lady thru a M-glass believes this is an F but it may be an E...she was not sure...she is sure of the B & K...

Here is a compiled description:

Rem 700, 264, Stn-Stl.

A) Was Blue over stainless steel, Bluing removed.

B) 5 digit serial: 88--7.

C) Barrel code is BFK.

D) Barrel length 24�.

E) Open sights.

F) Walnut stock pressed checkering.

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I emailed current owner asking for a selling price and I presented the concern mentioned here that collector value is diminished because the Bluing was removed. Once I get the asking price information I will post all info here and then I will be out of the loup.

Information compiled and asked for a selling price; hopefully they will get back to me today...

UPDATE...I was given the wrong caliber...this rifle is a 264....