I haven't stirred the Leupold pot in a few weeks, recon I'm behind.
A friend's son (don't tell him I told ya'll, keep this between us, but its Hondo64D's son) was a Sniper in the Army. He passed the Sniper School at Ft Benning, which you've probably seen on the discovery channel. He also was a member of a team the army put together to compete in civilian tactical shooting matches. The young man always placed near the top in large classes of extremely qualified and accomplished shooters. Seems like I remember that he also was on an international army team that competed with armed forces around the world.
Long story short, he prefers a Christmas Tree reticle and holds over way more often than he dials. Why? The standard issue Leupold tactical scopes don't track worth a crap so they had to hold over out of necessity.
Maybe Doug could get Bevis and Butthead from the Leupold Campfire Exclusive Webinar to contact the lad. I'm sure they could clear things right up.
He's likely not doing it right and needs a TOUR around said aiming device.
Most likely they need to physically verify the horizontal distance with a tape measure before dialing adjustments rather than relying on a range finder.
Most likely they need to physically verify the horizontal distance with a tape measure before dialing adjustments rather than relying on a range finder.
Seriously, I'm mainly a hunter who occasonally dables in friendly local competition. Being a hunter I trust no scope when twisting dials. I only twist dials at the range. In the field I go with what brung me. Not being a knob twister I don't give a big crap if my scope doesn't track perfectly. I think that's what BDC scopes are made for. Use your holdovers and windage and leave the knobs along in the field.
Seriously, I'm mainly a hunter who occasonally dables in friendly local competition. Being a hunter I trust no scope when twisting dials. I only twist dials at the range. In the field I go with what brung me. Not being a knob twister I don't give a big crap if my scope doesn't track perfectly. I think that's what BDC scopes are made for. Use your holdovers and windage and leave the knobs along in the field.
My advice is to get a scope that works, there are some you can trust.
I haven't stirred the Leupold pot in a few weeks, recon I'm behind.
A friend's son (don't tell him I told ya'll, keep this between us, but its Hondo64D's son) was a Sniper in the Army. He passed the Sniper School at Ft Benning, which you've probably seen on the discovery channel. He also was a member of a team the army put together to compete in civilian tactical shooting matches. The young man always placed near the top in large classes of extremely qualified and accomplished shooters. Seems like I remember that he also was on an international army team that competed with armed forces around the world.
Long story short, he prefers a Christmas Tree reticle and holds over way more often than he dials. Why? The standard issue Leupold tactical scopes don't track worth a crap so they had to hold over out of necessity.
Don't know the "preferred" scope, but know that he shoots the Bushy HDMR because thats the best for what the budget allows (has a wife, a toddler, and another kid on the way). However he is currently rifleless as his rig was recently stolen on the journey from the last Army post in Alaska to his new civilian life in Texas. Sad story actually. John flew up to help load the most valuable possessions in a box trailer for the two of them to personally escort to Texas. The first night on the road everything was stolen, no insurance. All firearms and shooting gear, family heirlooms, etc. That was only a month or two ago.
Maybe John will chime in now that he is out of the army.
There are people in the world who need flaying and dousing in saltwater.
I hate a thief.
You and me both. Hey Clint......I've got an old Springfield sporterized A3 30-06 that I'll give to the kid if he would like to have it. It shoots good enough to kill a deer, but it really needs a new barrel. Just let me know.
Don't know the "preferred" scope, but know that he shoots the Bushy HDMR because thats the best for what the budget allows (has a wife, a toddler, and another kid on the way). However he is currently rifleless as his rig was recently stolen on the journey from the last Army post in Alaska to his new civilian life in Texas. Sad story actually. John flew up to help load the most valuable possessions in a box trailer for the two of them to personally escort to Texas. The first night on the road everything was stolen, no insurance. All firearms and shooting gear, family heirlooms, etc. That was only a month or two ago.
Maybe John will chime in now that he is out of the army.
Actually didn’t loose the rifles. Had to ship those through the Army movers since he couldn’t drive them through Canada. But, elected to personally transport all the high value stuff he could to minimize pilfering by the movers. While spending the night in Ft. St. John BC, someone broke into the trailer and pretty much cleaned him out. About $10k worth of stuff by his reckoning Included Bushnell HDMR II, 10x SS, lots of fishing gear, clothes, wedding ring... The list goes on. Mounties came and did a report but we never heard anything else from them. Put a serious damper on what was otherwise an amazing trip.
The firearms actually arrived with his household goods, no problem.
Actually didn’t loose the rifles. Had to ship those through the Army movers since he couldn’t drive them through Canada. But, elected to personally transport all the high value stuff he could to minimize pilfering by the movers. While spending the night in Ft. St. John BC, someone broke into the trailer and pretty much cleaned him out. About $10k worth of stuff by his reckoning Included Bushnell HDMR II, 10x SS, lots of fishing gear, clothes, wedding ring... The list goes on. Mounties came and did a report but we never heard anything else from them. Put a serious damper on what was otherwise an amazing trip.
The firearms actually arrived with his household goods, no problem.
John
Thats right, forgot about the rifles going separate. But he did lose the scopes.
Actually didn’t loose the rifles. Had to ship those through the Army movers since he couldn’t drive them through Canada. But, elected to personally transport all the high value stuff he could to minimize pilfering by the movers. While spending the night in Ft. St. John BC, someone broke into the trailer and pretty much cleaned him out. About $10k worth of stuff by his reckoning Included Bushnell HDMR II, 10x SS, lots of fishing gear, clothes, wedding ring... The list goes on. Mounties came and did a report but we never heard anything else from them. Put a serious damper on what was otherwise an amazing trip.
The firearms actually arrived with his household goods, no problem.
John
Thats right, forgot about the rifles going separate. But he did lose the scopes.
Actually didn’t loose the rifles. Had to ship those through the Army movers since he couldn’t drive them through Canada. But, elected to personally transport all the high value stuff he could to minimize pilfering by the movers. While spending the night in Ft. St. John BC, someone broke into the trailer and pretty much cleaned him out. About $10k worth of stuff by his reckoning Included Bushnell HDMR II, 10x SS, lots of fishing gear, clothes, wedding ring... The list goes on. Mounties came and did a report but we never heard anything else from them. Put a serious damper on what was otherwise an amazing trip.
The firearms actually arrived with his household goods, no problem.
John
That sucks. Sorry to hear about that. I hope that this doesn't hinder him too much, in terms of getting started in the new location.
And I had no idea about your son's background. Congratulations to you, and him. And thanks for his service.
That sucks. Sorry to hear about that. I hope that this doesn't hinder him too much, in terms of getting started in the new location.
And I had no idea about your son's background. Congratulations to you, and him. And thanks for his service.
Jason
John won't brag on the boy but I can't resist. He's pretty good with a rifle, but has put down some really really strong competitors with a handgun. The total package.
I appreciate the offer and Josh would too. Very generous of you, but not necessary. Josh is all about standing on his own two feet. Many thanks for the offer though.
The Gold Ring makes my dic tingle when the lights are low.
Dude you're a really sick person you know.
That hurts, man.
Aw don't let it hurt, I like a little sickness in people. However, scopes don't make my dic twitch unless I'm looking at the naked neighbor lady through it.
Fairly willing to bet I have killed more game beyond 500yds with Leupold than the combined agg of all the Leupold haters in this thread.
Just sayin.
BFD, you're a lame contributor to this thread. Cheerios.
I totally understand why someone of your limited skill set would feel that way.
Congratulations?
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
Fairly willing to bet I have killed more game beyond 500yds with Leupold than the combined agg of all the Leupold haters in this thread.
Just sayin.
BFD, you're a lame contributor to this thread. Cheerios.
I totally understand why someone of your limited skill set would feel that way.
Congratulations?
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
Haha! It helps if you use your wallet to thump it.
If you have any issues, they'll have it fixed by the third time you send it in maybe the fourth and never the sixth time. That would be unheard of....
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
What's even more wow is how aluminum chassis stocks rule PRS now days.
Who saw that coming?
This guy.
Because of the thermal expansion properties of the blocks and how it creates a linear expansion with the optic, right?
No because of Black Magic.
I literally called that trend 5 years in advance and you can't find any pillar bedded glass stocks even remotely competitive in PRS/NRL, Mil Sniper Systems or any other discipline where you don't get sighters.
It's sorta what I do.
Further reference : Berger Reloading Loading Book/ Hunting with VLDs.
What's even more wow is how aluminum chassis stocks rule PRS now days.
Who saw that coming?
This guy.
Because of the thermal expansion properties of the blocks and how it creates a linear expansion with the optic, right?
No because of Black Magic.
I literally called that trend 5 years in advance and you can't find any pillar bedded glass stocks even remotely competitive in PRS/NRL, Mil Sniper Systems or any other discipline where you don't get sighters.
It's sorta what I do.
Further reference : Berger Reloading Loading Book/ Hunting with VLDs.
Leupold CDS system would be another example.
Yeah, I suspected you didn't know what you were talking about. Thanks for validating that.
Aluminum....stiff, light, easy to machine...no, it's because scope tubes are also aluminum! Linear thermal expansion!
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
Just Sayin.
GFY Burns. You're quite an ambassador for your brand.
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
Just Sayin.
GFY Burns. You're quite an ambassador for your brand.
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
Just Sayin.
GFY Burns. You're quite an ambassador for your brand.
And Trump should get off Twitter.
Don't really have time for you tonight Burnsy. But yah, we're all loving those awesome Leupolds.
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
Just Sayin.
GFY Burns. You're quite an ambassador for your brand.
Seriously, can you imagine buying something from a company connected to this douchenozzle?
Just don't get it do you? DGAF of your opinion about Leupold. Doubt you'll convince anyone they're a superior product nor did anyone ask you as you lamely insinuated. Like a fugging car salesman saying this is a good one! Rah rah. Hell, I was raised in Oregon with Leupolds. Adjust, tap tap. Shoot, adjust, tap tap. Hope, pray, shoot, adjust, tap tap..... LOL
One viable option for you would be to buy better guns.
Just Sayin.
GFY Burns. You're quite an ambassador for your brand.
Seriously, can you imagine buying something from a company connected to this douchenozzle?
LOL.
All joking aside you are struggling to buy a rangefinding bino.
Relatively speaking of course. My bud Tubb has won 11 titles at Camp Perry. Add up all of yours and your buddy's and you have a total of , what, NONE? Tubb is "good".
Tap tap is the old practice of tapping the turret after an adjustment to settle in the erector spring . Turn the turret with a coin then take the coin and tap the top of the turret a few times. Also on some scopes you can feel more spring tension in one direction than the other. Always finish your adjustment a few clicks in the stiff direction. So if adjusting to the soft side, go a few clicks past and then come back. Accomplishes same thing.
Of course this is not necessary with a quality scope. A lot still tap tap with Leupolds, maybe out of habit, maybe not.
Sighting in the Leupold, trying to get the reticle to move and preferably settle in! Used them since the early 80s, proudly.
I've seen they work for you. Have had enough, and heard of far too many failures as to look elsewhere, usually, but, their webinar got a big FU to them from me.
Three remain... VX1-4 HD on a FN15 carbine, love it. VXR 3-9x40 FDD love it (one trip back to Beaverton), and a VX1 3-9 I've hardly used cause it's on rifle I don't care much for. Best execution of a lit dot in the business.
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
What's even more wow is how aluminum chassis stocks rule PRS now days.
Who saw that coming?
This guy.
Because of the thermal expansion properties of the blocks and how it creates a linear expansion with the optic, right?
No because of Black Magic.
I literally called that trend 5 years in advance and you can't find any pillar bedded glass stocks even remotely competitive in PRS/NRL, Mil Sniper Systems or any other discipline where you don't get sighters.
It's sorta what I do.
Further reference : Berger Reloading Loading Book/ Hunting with VLDs.
Leupold CDS system would be another example.
You’d think if a guy had his finger on the pulse of where the market was headed, he’d own Gunwerks or something.
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
Judman is correct as Leupold discontinued the MK IV but is still supporting older contracts for the Mil.
The MK5, MK6, and MK8 lines are current Leupold top line tactical scopes.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Relatively speaking of course. My bud Tubb has won 11 titles at Camp Perry. Add up all of yours and your buddy's and you have a total of , what, NONE? Tubb is "good".
You sure can bring the funny to a thread, thanks.
I wonder what brand of scope your "bud Tubb" shoots?
As you two are so close I wonder why you didn't know Tubb was a Leupold fan? Strange.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I still tap tap every scope adjustment with a screwdriver handle completely out of habit after dealing with ACOGs on a M16.
I have zero idea if it helps anything or not.
As a machinist I always make the finale adjustment tightening the erector against the bias spring to ensure zero backlash.
Testing on the collimator shows this is not necessary but old habits are hard to break.
Originally Posted by Big Stick
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
Just sayin'.
LAUGHING!............
Why don't you provide us with a link of any scope in Leupolds line up that the reticle and turrets are no synced.
Thanks.
I have heard good things about the old Ultras/MK IVs. Back in the day I might even have used one a bit.
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
Judman is correct as Leupold discontinued the MK IV but is still supporting older contracts for the Mil.
The MK5, MK6, and MK8 lines are current Leupold top line tactical scopes.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Relatively speaking of course. My bud Tubb has won 11 titles at Camp Perry. Add up all of yours and your buddy's and you have a total of , what, NONE? Tubb is "good".
You sure can bring the funny to a thread, thanks.
I wonder what brand of scope your "bud Tubb" shoots?
As you two are so close I wonder why you didn't know Tubb was a Leupold fan? Strange.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I still tap tap every scope adjustment with a screwdriver handle completely out of habit after dealing with ACOGs on a M16.
I have zero idea if it helps anything or not.
As a machinist I always make the finale adjustment tightening the erector against the bias spring to ensure zero backlash.
Testing on the collimator shows this is not necessary but old habits are hard to break.
Originally Posted by Big Stick
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
Just sayin'.
LAUGHING!............
Why don't you provide us with a link of any scope in Leupolds line up that the reticle and turrets are no synced.
Thanks.
I have heard good things about the old Ultras/MK IVs. Back in the day I might even have used one a bit.
Are those some powder burns I see next to that "1 mile" paper taped on there?
Nah, you have to have shot from a mile, or else that "1 mile" label wouldn't stick on the backer.
One can only slap the dick out of your trembling fingers so many times,but you can't refrain from drawing them with your mouth open...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
Judman is correct as Leupold discontinued the MK IV but is still supporting older contracts for the Mil.
The MK5, MK6, and MK8 lines are current Leupold top line tactical scopes.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Relatively speaking of course. My bud Tubb has won 11 titles at Camp Perry. Add up all of yours and your buddy's and you have a total of , what, NONE? Tubb is "good".
You sure can bring the funny to a thread, thanks.
I wonder what brand of scope your "bud Tubb" shoots?
As you two are so close I wonder why you didn't know Tubb was a Leupold fan? Strange.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I still tap tap every scope adjustment with a screwdriver handle completely out of habit after dealing with ACOGs on a M16.
I have zero idea if it helps anything or not.
As a machinist I always make the finale adjustment tightening the erector against the bias spring to ensure zero backlash.
Testing on the collimator shows this is not necessary but old habits are hard to break.
Originally Posted by Big Stick
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
Just sayin'.
LAUGHING!............
Why don't you provide us with a link of any scope in Leupolds line up that the reticle and turrets are no synced.
Thanks.
I have heard good things about the old Ultras/MK IVs. Back in the day I might even have used one a bit.
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
Just sayin'.
LAUGHING!............
Says the washed fuuck sawed off rat turd that has a boat boneyard in his yard!! 😂😂
A lowly vx1 that continues to ghost shiit...
Though in fairness I don’t submerge it in creeks, if only to make the flat bill Sitka crew “think” I’m really testing my wares.. 😂😂🤣
No insecurities here liar Larry, it appears you get very angry when folks “get by” with what you despise and constantly bitch about?? Jealousy sure is a bitch.. it’s about “now time” for killin, you’ll at least get to look at my pics, stomp your feet and throw a full blown hissy fit. 😘🥰💋
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
Judman is correct as Leupold discontinued the MK IV but is still supporting older contracts for the Mil.
The MK5, MK6, and MK8 lines are current Leupold top line tactical scopes.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Relatively speaking of course. My bud Tubb has won 11 titles at Camp Perry. Add up all of yours and your buddy's and you have a total of , what, NONE? Tubb is "good".
You sure can bring the funny to a thread, thanks.
I wonder what brand of scope your "bud Tubb" shoots?
As you two are so close I wonder why you didn't know Tubb was a Leupold fan? Strange.
Originally Posted by T_Inman
I still tap tap every scope adjustment with a screwdriver handle completely out of habit after dealing with ACOGs on a M16.
I have zero idea if it helps anything or not.
As a machinist I always make the finale adjustment tightening the erector against the bias spring to ensure zero backlash.
Testing on the collimator shows this is not necessary but old habits are hard to break.
Originally Posted by Big Stick
In fairness..JudLady spends zero to NO time,actually shooting and gets giddy at Press Releases she cain't afford. Hint. LAUGHING!
The fixed MK 4's usually held zero,tracked and repeated,as per their time. The turrets were a language separate from the reticle,which is still fhuqking FUNNY(and a Reupold constant),but the bitches largely performed. The 1" Variables were/are a fhuqking JOKE,as are the 30mm "offerings". Pardon my shooting them all and the some. Hint.
Just sayin'.
LAUGHING!............
Why don't you provide us with a link of any scope in Leupolds line up that the reticle and turrets are no synced.
Thanks.
I have heard good things about the old Ultras/MK IVs. Back in the day I might even have used one a bit.
Ross told me that scope did not adjust accurately but that he figured out how to make it work
Maybe someone can enlighten me, but, a marine buddy at work 3 days ago claimed leupold Mark IV we’re being made exclusively for military?
Incorrect. 15 - 20 years ago the Mark IV was Leupold’s top of the line. They were widely used by military and police snipers and also by civilians in tactical matches, the predecessor to what now are the PRS style matches.
I remember trying a Nightforce and comparing it side by side with my Mark IV. The differences in quality were stark. Sold the Mark IV the next week and bought my first Nightforce. That was in 2005. That first Nightforce still runs perfectly.
Judman is correct as Leupold discontinued the MK IV but is still supporting older contracts for the Mil.
The MK5, MK6, and MK8 lines are current Leupold top line tactical scopes.
I have heard good things about the old Ultras/MK IVs. Back in the day I might even have used one a bit.
Burns,
I have little interest in your affinity for trifling quarrels.
Context of 15 - 20 years was very clear for my comment. No one was confused about that other than apparently you.
The point was respond to Jud's question.
I have no beef with him, you, Stick or anyone else as I have better things to do in my life.
Just answered his question.
The Mark IV was good back in its day, but that was decades ago as indicated.
Servicing broken discontinued scopes today is/was not the focus of the discussion.
Servicing broken scopes, guess Leupold might have cornered that market, so will give you that.
Stick's memory is spot on about the reticle, back then, not now was the discussion point.
Stick was right on that point and made me cringe and laugh at the same time thinking back.
I have little interest in your affinity for trifling quarrels.
Context of 15 - 20 years was very clear for my comment. No one was confused about that other than apparently you.
The point was respond to Jud's question.
I have no beef with him, you, Stick or anyone else as I have better things to do in my life.
Just answered his question.
The Mark IV was good back in its day, but that was decades ago as indicated.
Servicing broken discontinued scopes today is/was not the focus of the discussion.
Servicing broken scopes, guess Leupold might have cornered that market, so will give you that.
Stick's memory is spot on about the reticle, back then, not now was the discussion point.
Stick was right on that point and made me cringe and laugh at the same time thinking back.
Jeff,
I was pretty gentle explaining that when you said Jud was incorrect it was actually you that were wrong/incorrect.
The MK IV optics are discontinued for civilian purchase but Leupold is still fulfilling older Mil contracts as in supplying new MK IV optics to fulfill those older contracts.
Times move on and the MK IV line up has been supplanted in Leupold's lineup by better optics.
Lil Fish's dreams of the past but there is nothing in the current Leupold lineup where reticles and turrets are not in sync and he's been called out multiple times but as is his SOP he just goes personal attack mode when he steps on his willy.
I have little interest in your affinity for trifling quarrels.
Context of 15 - 20 years was very clear for my comment. No one was confused about that other than apparently you.
The point was respond to Jud's question.
I have no beef with him, you, Stick or anyone else as I have better things to do in my life.
Just answered his question.
The Mark IV was good back in its day, but that was decades ago as indicated.
Servicing broken discontinued scopes today is/was not the focus of the discussion.
Servicing broken scopes, guess Leupold might have cornered that market, so will give you that.
Stick's memory is spot on about the reticle, back then, not now was the discussion point.
Stick was right on that point and made me cringe and laugh at the same time thinking back.
Jeff,
I was pretty gentle explaining that when you said Jud was incorrect it was actually you that were wrong/incorrect.
The MK IV optics are discontinued for civilian purchase but Leupold is still fulfilling older Mil contracts as in supplying new MK IV optics to fulfill those older contracts.
Times move on and the MK IV line up has been supplanted in Leupold's lineup by better optics.
Lil Fish's dreams of the past but there is nothing in the current Leupold lineup where reticles and turrets are not in sync and he's been called out multiple times but as is his SOP he just goes personal attack mode when he steps on his willy.
Yes, I understand Leupold has surpassed the Mark IV line that is not the discussion, not sure why that is part of the discussion. I also happen to know a few good men issued Leupold scopes in the Army through the years, not USMC, and not one has been issued a new manufacture Mark IV in about the last ten years, though in fairness most of my friends are aged out of deploying anymore except for one who likely is the oldest in the SF Reserves. (I'm not SF, not high speed anything, just a guy chatting on a hunting forum.) The last one I know personally issued a new out of the box Mark IV did not work well enough to even zero his rifle, that was 10+ years ago. I gave him a Nightforce off my back up rifle to replace the Leupold issued to him a week before deployment. If you are telling me that someone is still being issued a brand new out of the box Mark IV today, I'll take your word for it as my friends are aged out of deploying now, but their CO needs his or her hands slammed in their desk drawer so they cannot approve any more orders for anything. The Mark IV sucked 20 years ago and has long been surpassed. fwiw - I knew more than few who replaced issued Leupolds with Nightforces or an S&B for one out of their own pocket. I also have personally watched as parents of modest means put down a credit card to buy a Nightforce to replace a Leupold issued to their son. I could share more stories, but will save them for another time. Carry on.
Yes, I understand Leupold has surpassed the Mark IV line that is not the discussion, not sure why that is part of the discussion. I also happen to know a few good men issued Leupold scopes in the Army through the years, not USMC, and not one has been issued a new manufacture Mark IV is about the last ten years, though in fairness most of my friends are aged out of deploying anymore except for one who likely is the oldest in the SF Reserves. (I'm not SF, not high speed anything, just a guy chatting on a hunting forum.) The last one I know personally issued a new out of the box Mark IV did not work well enough to even zero his rifle, that was 10+ years ago. I gave him a Nightforce off my back up rifle to replace the Leupold issued to him a week before deployment. If you are telling me that someone is still being issued a brand new out of the box Mark IV today, I'll take your word for it as my friends are aged out of deploying now, but their CO needs his or her hands slammed in their metal desk drawer so they cannot approve any more orders for anything. The Mark IV sucked 20 years ago and has long been surpassed. fwiw - I knew more than few who replaced issued Leupolds with Nightforces or an S&B for one out of their own pocket. I also have personally watched as parents of modest means put down a credit card to buy a Nightforce to replace a Leupold issued to their son. I could share more stories, but will save them for another time. Carry on.
That's lot of word salad when I gently exposed you being totally wrong/incorrect calling out Judman.
The LOLs are kewl and your trying to appeal to heartstrings is notable if very cringey.
Bottom line you called Judamn wrong when he was so right.
Buck up Buttercup and admit you are miles behind the curve where the Big Boys play.
I have no idea why you love to quarrel like a junior high girl. Happy to discuss with you, have little interest in quarreling.
Stick was absolutely right on the reticles for the time frame referenced. Sorry that frosts you that he was right. If you were using one back at that point, doubtless it'd be in your memory for the mess it was. The reticle issue was then, not now.
Next, I picked up the phone and called the one friend still in SF and in a position to answer a question about the small arms equipment. He was puzzled and said he is not seeing brand new manufacture Mark IV's, but does remember the last new one being quite some years ago. The last infantry side person I knew deployed as a sniper, which as you of course know is not a MOS, but an ASI of B4 for an 11B, was in charge of the snipers for his battalion on his last deployment. He too did not know what you were talking about them still receiving brand new manufacture Mark IV's. He was around back at a time when he was issued a new Mark IV. He purchased a Nightforce fwiw, which might be something to consider rather than what the bean counters and politicians order.
I have no active USMC acquaintances in a position to know, but if you say the USMC is handing out brand new manufacture Mark IV's to 0317's, I'll just have to take your word for it. Last I heard, they had S&B 3-12's, but that the Mk 13 Mod 7 was supposed to be issued with a Nightforce, not a Mark IV. As I do not know anyone currently in that MOS, I'll not opine otherwise. If you do and say they are now issuing new manufacture Mark IV's rather than Nightforce, S&B, or the newer Leupolds, they all I can do is hang my head that we are sending some fine young men in harm's way with less than best equipment, which is what this whole thread is about which again seems to go over your head.
Ross was the most influential Gun Writer in the mid to late 80s.
Guns and Ammo drove the industry and Ross drove G&A.
Back to Leupold and the Military.
Tim Kennedy (Special Forces Sniper) is on Joe Rogan's podcast and he is wearing a Leupold tee shirt.
Them that know.
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Burns,
I have no idea why you love to quarrel like a junior high girl.
Stick was absolutely right on the reticles for the time frame referenced. Sorry that frosts you that he was right. If you were using one back at that point, doubtless it'd be in your memory for the mess it was. The reticle issue was then, not now.
Next, I picked up the phone and called the one friend still in SF and in a position to answer a question about the small arms equipment. He was puzzled and said he is not seeing brand new manufacture Mark IV's, but does remember the last new one being quite some years ago. The last infantry side person I knew deployed as a sniper, which as you of course know is not a MOS, but an ASI of B4 for an 11B, was in charge of the snipers for his battalion on his last deployment. He too did not know what you were talking about them still receiving brand new manufacture Mark IV's. He was around back at a time when he was issued a new Mark IV. He purchased a Nightforce fwiw, which might be something to consider rather than what the bean counters and politicians order.
I have no active USMC acquaintances in a position to know, but if you say the USMC is handing out brand new manufacture Mark IV's to 0317's, I'll just have to take your word for it. Last I heard, they had S&B 3-12's, but that the Mk 13 Mod 7 was supposed to be issued with a Nightforce, not a Mark IV. As I do not know anyone currently in that MOS, I'll not opine otherwise. If you do and say they are now issuing new manufacture Mark IV's rather than Nightforce, S&B, or the newer Leupolds, they all I can do is hang my head that we are sending some fine young men in harm's way with an obsolete piece of equipment, which is what this whole thread is about which again seems to go over your head.
Kiddo,
I simply pointed out you were wrong and MK IV sales to civilians are done and Leupold is only filling previous Mil contracts that lock in MK IV optics.
You called out Judman and you were wrong. It's not a "quarrel" you're just wrong.
Ross was the most influential Gun Writer in the mid to late 80s.
Guns and Ammo drove the industry and Ross drove G&A.
Back to Leupold and the Military.
Tim Kennedy (Special Forces Sniper) is on Joe Rogan's podcast and he is wearing a Leupold tee shirt.
Them that know.
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Burns,
I have no idea why you love to quarrel like a junior high girl.
Stick was absolutely right on the reticles for the time frame referenced. Sorry that frosts you that he was right. If you were using one back at that point, doubtless it'd be in your memory for the mess it was. The reticle issue was then, not now.
Next, I picked up the phone and called the one friend still in SF and in a position to answer a question about the small arms equipment. He was puzzled and said he is not seeing brand new manufacture Mark IV's, but does remember the last new one being quite some years ago. The last infantry side person I knew deployed as a sniper, which as you of course know is not a MOS, but an ASI of B4 for an 11B, was in charge of the snipers for his battalion on his last deployment. He too did not know what you were talking about them still receiving brand new manufacture Mark IV's. He was around back at a time when he was issued a new Mark IV. He purchased a Nightforce fwiw, which might be something to consider rather than what the bean counters and politicians order.
I have no active USMC acquaintances in a position to know, but if you say the USMC is handing out brand new manufacture Mark IV's to 0317's, I'll just have to take your word for it. Last I heard, they had S&B 3-12's, but that the Mk 13 Mod 7 was supposed to be issued with a Nightforce, not a Mark IV. As I do not know anyone currently in that MOS, I'll not opine otherwise. If you do and say they are now issuing new manufacture Mark IV's rather than Nightforce, S&B, or the newer Leupolds, they all I can do is hang my head that we are sending some fine young men in harm's way with an obsolete piece of equipment, which is what this whole thread is about which again seems to go over your head.
Kiddo,
I simply pointed out you were wrong and MK IV sales to civilians are done and Leupold is only filling previous Mil contracts that lock in MK IV optics.
You called out Judman and you were wrong. It's not a "quarrel" you're just wrong.
Get over it and move on.
Really?
Who again specifically is receiving and being issued these new Mark IV's??
Please be specific because I intend to make a few calls and see if that can be put an end and have them given better equipment.
Yeah, I could stand to be less judgmental. My liberal brother in law probably would appreciate that, haha
Yeah have girl #2 coming any day now, thought it was going to be today! My 18 month old knows what sound a deer makes and an elk makes, she loves doing outdoor adventures, I’m glad.
Yeah, I could stand to be less judgmental. My liberal brother in law probably would appreciate that, haha
Yeah have girl #2 coming any day now, thought it was going to be today! My 18 month old knows what sound a deer makes and an elk makes, she loves doing outdoor adventures, I’m glad.
Congrats on the kid coming and keep the lib BIL in line.
Yeah, I could stand to be less judgmental. My liberal brother in law probably would appreciate that, haha
Yeah have girl #2 coming any day now, thought it was going to be today! My 18 month old knows what sound a deer makes and an elk makes, she loves doing outdoor adventures, I’m glad.
Midway is still selling the one in your link to civilians. See link below.
So back to Jud's question, they were for sale to civilians back in the day and the one in the link provided by Burns is still for sale to civilians at Midway if someone wants one.
They are not restricted sale items now and were not back then.
Didn’t read through all of this, but can tell burns is still the same [bleep] he’s always been. Maybe post some pics of the 1780 target “ group”that maybe, “some” of the hits might have been out of your 264. clown, as always! You go girl! Get some!
Dupe some cool dudes into posing for a pic, or take a rear shot to boost your [bleep] cred, then blast it on the internet, Ffs burns get a grip
The critters you post shot off your buddy’s hay field are also pretty special, you plucking rube!
Can’t do it yourself so you buy it. Sit down you clown.
I’m not anyone, but it happens that I’ve enjoyed a few shooting sessions with the most decorated marine sniper of our times., not hard to figure out who that is, the dude shot 70 in a weekend and took Sunday off. He did it with a leupold, guy is easy to get along with, However he don’t drive a leupold on his personal rig,wonder why?
like most legit guys, he’s honest and chooses the best. Not what’s going to make him a buck.
He ain’t in burns pics, “hint”
Sonofabitch why didn’t I get a photo of him from the backside to promote my [bleep] on the internet!?
Right on rosco1, the dude's a clownshow, and everyone but himself knows it. As mentioned before, can you possibly imagine buying a product this dolt endorses?
I’m willing to bet that the dudes in the pic would not be happy if they knew about this thread. It’s like a Democrat taking a pic and using it without consent for their campaign(until they get caught).
His recent return has been in-valuable to the 'Fire. Nothing but, I'm better, you suck, I'm big time, you don't know chit, I'm the top demo, conceded horsechit.. Never even a hint of pay it forward, ever... Very telling. Never a bit, even a hint, of community to any of it. See where he likened his dickheaded posts to Trump's tweets? Likens himself to Trump! More like Death of a Salesman.
Didn’t read through all of this, but can tell burns is still the same [bleep] he’s always been. Maybe post some pics of the 1780 target “ group”that maybe, “some” of the hits might have been out of your 264. clown, as always! You go girl! Get some!
Dupe some cool dudes into posing for a pic, or take a rear shot to boost your [bleep] cred, then blast it on the internet, Ffs burns get a grip
The critters you post shot off your buddy’s hay field are also pretty special, you plucking rube!
Can’t do it yourself so you buy it. Sit down you clown.
The butt hurt runs strong with this one.
Here are a few public ground critters I managed "do it" myself but feel free to post your best, I'll wait.
Cool Guy Pics? Have more than a few.
Enjoy?
Governor of Wyoming in the shop, that's pretty cool.
This Dude is pretty kewl and he's had me on his podcast a few times.
Here's a pretty kewl dude for a SEAL and if you have seen the blockbuster movie "Act of Valor" you might recognize him.
Here is a kewl dude but it's a hay field so "Trigger Warning" for your sensitive feelers.
Ripping all the lips tends to spook the hole but at some point you gotta set hooks and reel in the catch.
My stringer is pretty full (it's not hard to imagine those that are flappin on the stringer) but I still got room on the total catch and a few more kewl guy pictures.
The thread started as commentary concerning the experience of military personnel regarding their issued Leopold scopes. It seems that the thread has somehow become about you. As an active reader of optics posts I come here to learn. You appear to be an avid Leopold user. I’m interested to hear your thoughts concerning the reported issues that our military experiences in the field.
The thread started as commentary concerning the experience of military personnel regarding their issued Leopold scopes. It seems that the thread has somehow become about you. As an active reader of optics posts I come here to learn. You appear to be an avid Leopold user. I’m interested to hear your thoughts concerning the reported issues that our military experiences in the field.
The "reported issues" are mostly simply low level kids wanting to spend Uncle Sammies credit card bucks on different scopes because they ain't cleaning and don't know how to develop solid drop data.
John Burns, 2 questions, in which branch of the military did you serve and if so what was your MOS? Do you represent Leupold or have any financial interest in the sale of their products?
John Burns, 2 questions, in which branch of the military did you serve and if so what was your MOS? Do you represent Leupold or have any financial interest in the sale of their products?
mike r
Are you kidding? The only field of competition he's ever been on was when he ran onto the field waving his pink pom poms. Biggest competitive decision he's ever had to make was whether to do a perky pyramid or a peppy line dance.
His insulting the soldiers above is sure to endure more interest in the brand. Negative interest.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by lvmiker
John Burns, 2 questions, in which branch of the military did you serve and if so what was your MOS? Do you represent Leupold or have any financial interest in the sale of their products?
mike r
Are you kidding? The only field of competition he's ever been on was when he ran onto the field waving his pink pom poms. Biggest competitive decision he's ever had to make was whether to do a perky pyramid or a peppy line dance.
Ripping all the lips tends to spook the hole but at some point you gotta set hooks and reel in the catch.
My stringer is pretty full (it's not hard to imagine those that are flappin on the stringer) but I still got room on the total catch and a few more kewl guy pictures.
Any takers?
Do keep talking! You’re doing great.
Good pictures, thanks for sharing.
But If you think everyone is in awe you’d be mistaken, I routinely let bigger walk on by. 😁
The thread started as commentary concerning the experience of military personnel regarding their issued Leopold scopes. It seems that the thread has somehow become about you. As an active reader of optics posts I come here to learn. You appear to be an avid Leopold user. I’m interested to hear your thoughts concerning the reported issues that our military experiences in the field.
The "reported issues" are mostly simply low level kids wanting to spend Uncle Sammies credit card bucks on different scopes because they ain't cleaning and don't know how to develop solid drop data.
Same assessment for general users with issues or is it just the military guys that are dumbasses?
John Burns, 2 questions, in which branch of the military did you serve and if so what was your MOS? Do you represent Leupold or have any financial interest in the sale of their products? mike r
I pumped a [bleep] load of jet 4 in the Air Force.
You might want to learn to use the Google machine as I have sold Leupold optics for a long time.
Originally Posted by rosco1
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Ripping all the lips tends to spook the hole but at some point you gotta set hooks and reel in the catch.
My stringer is pretty full (it's not hard to imagine those that are flappin on the stringer) but I still got room on the total catch and a few more kewl guy pictures.
Any takers?
Do keep talking! You’re doing great.
Good pictures, thanks for sharing.
But If you think everyone is in awe you’d be mistaken, I routinely let bigger walk on by. 😁
I just wanted you to post pictures of the one you didn't let "walk".
I have no doubt you're one of those guys who always sees much bigger but always fails to bring anything home.
Just Sayin.
Originally Posted by GregW
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
The "reported issues" are mostly simply low level kids wanting to spend Uncle Sammies credit card bucks on different scopes because they ain't cleaning and don't know how to develop solid drop data.
Same assessment for general users with issues or is it just the military guys that are dumbasses?
Please quote where I called anyone a "dumbass".
I am going to prime the pump and specifically say you are one big dumbass but I get a smile when you try and pimp Berger bullets. It's funny.
Originally Posted by NEBHUNTER
My son is a Sniper. He teaches in Arkansas. All he uses is Leupold.
That happens pretty often.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
They willingly gave them with no strings attached, no problema senora'. Strike 2 Mrs Burns.
I can guarantee whom ever was gifted the A Squadron coin was not supposed to post a photo on the net as any kind of brand endorsement or brand bash fest and absolutely guarantee it was not you who was gifted that coin.
No dog in this fight since I’m a equal opportunity scope owner who runs Leupold, S&B, Zeiss, SWFA, Sightron, NF and Sig Sauer scopes.
Only question I have is, are the SF guys pictured with Leupold scoped rigs using their own toys they brought or were the firearms provided to them to use during the hunt or shooting event?
No dog in this fight since I’m a equal opportunity scope owner who runs Leupold, S&B, Zeiss, SWFA, Sightron, NF and Sig Sauer scopes.
Only question I have is, are the SF guys pictured with Leupold scoped rigs using their own toys they brought or were the firearms provided to them to use during the hunt or shooting event?
😎
Mix of both but mostly personally owned.
First time I was invited to hunt with Kyle and Chilli these were the rifles they brought.
Kyle bought a Wyo Arms 6MM Creedmoor and had Leupold send out a MK 5 for it.
This is Rorke's personal rifle that he paid full retail.
Cody is the guy kneeling and that's his personal Leupold MK8
PRS and NRL (the league you referenced), where are the Leups? Are these guys missing out? Maybe there's an opportunity for you there. You can show them all these pictures. The one with the dudes standing on rocks holding weapons in the air is pretty convincing.
PRS and NRL (the league you referenced), where are the Leups? Are these guys missing out? Maybe there's an opportunity for you there. You can show them all these pictures. The one with the dudes standing on rocks holding weapons in the air is pretty convincing.
Thread didn't really go the way you planned, did it OP?
PRS and NRL (the league you referenced), where are the Leups? Are these guys missing out? Maybe there's an opportunity for you there. You can show them all these pictures. The one with the dudes standing on rocks holding weapons in the air is pretty convincing.
Leupolds hold zero, and track so well, they are to top choice for competition, oh wait.
To be 100% honest, most of the guys complaining about tracking are most likely referencing experiences with VX-III, VX-3 and FX-3 scopes as well as what most would call dismal warranty repair service requiring trip after trip back to Leupold to fix an issue that Leupold claimed to have fixed on paper, but in their livestream to answer questions from the now skeptical 24hcf blamed it on user error. On their own livestream they admitted that their scopes require three trips to the repair shop before they actually believed a customer knew wtf he was talking about and started actually shooting them to see wtf rather than check them on an expensive machine.
This seems to be the crux of it in reality, but it is ENTIRELY too much fun to watch Burns go full retard on it, but most of us don't wanna let him in on that fact.
One of these days some hater like myself will get the nerve up to try one of the VX-6 leupolds, but they've burnt a whole bunch of bridges and most have already bailed. And it isn't like Leupold hasn't earned it with their schidt ass attitude.
That’s good. Was just curious. Never had it and after Rinellas description I never want it... Sorry to get off topic.
It's all good as this thread is sorta wandering after I dropped some bombs on some bitches.
Steve had a bit of a funny take as his muscles now carry Tric and if you eat him raw you are going to get the Tric.
Pro Tip:
If things get bad and for some crazy reason you have to eat Steve Rinella I would recommend cooking his azz to done or well done just to kill the Tric he knows is in his body.
Burns sells Leupolds with his logo monogrammed on them and has Leupold make him custom turrets (kinda like cds dials, if I remember right).
As I have lots of Laser Power the logo is added once mechanics are verified and we burn all the turrets in house, but to be clear Leupold delvers close enough to perfect to be called perfect but we while we trust we do verify.
The collimater proves the build and we laser engrave in house the magic on the turrets.
Dialng 600 and whacking at 600yds is pretty Kewl but it does not happen without a lot of planning and knowledge..
PRS and NRL (the league you referenced), where are the Leups? Are these guys missing out? Maybe there's an opportunity for you there. You can show them all these pictures. The one with the dudes standing on rocks holding weapons in the air is pretty convincing.
Thread didn't really go the way you planned, did it OP?
Irony at its finest.
I'd say the thread went exactly the way the OP had planned...
All three I have shot with sucked. Got rid of them all after sending them in. Vx2cds vx3i vx5hd. Wouldn’t track or hold zero at all and the vx5 had a canted reticle. Sent it in for that, they fixed it but said nothing was wrong with it. Mounted it and it wouldn’t track or hold poi at all. Same with the others.
I saw a few, but they were carried by guys who may or may not have been in the Corps, and carried whatever it was they pleased. They could have been Spooks or Delta, for all I know. I do know they needed to get from point A to point B, and asked to tag along on some patrols to get to point B, so we obliged.
I will say that some (most all?) of the SF guys I crossed paths with didn't know dick about their weapons. They knew tactics but couldn't tell you a damn thing about their weapons: gas vs recoil operated, twist rate, powder burn rate or scoping tracking. That was my experience with them at least. That, and they sure liked to drink cheap beer. We got along well.
Funny that there aren't any vx-3's on your website.
Got any pics of the TMR reticle?
Subtensions?
What's the current company? Wasn't there some change several years ago? Something to do with something... It was a few years after that really funny video.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Give me a fuggin break. This forum is full of conceited ass holes. Funny as hell to see them fight over who's the Boss Hawg of conceited azzholedom.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Give me a fuggin break. This forum is full of conceited ass holes. Funny as hell to see them fight over who's the Boss Hawg of conceited azzholedom.
Not arguing your point, but, don't see what it has to do with mine. Your break is granted. Cumbaya.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Give me a fuggin break. This forum is full of conceited ass holes. Funny as hell to see them fight over who's the Boss Hawg of conceited azzholedom.
Not arguing your point, but, don't see what it has to do with mine. Your break is granted. Cumbaya.
Focusing on one conceited ass hole in a target rich environment.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Give me a fuggin break. This forum is full of conceited ass holes. Funny as hell to see them fight over who's the Boss Hawg of conceited azzholedom.
Not arguing your point, but, don't see what it has to do with mine. Your break is granted. Cumbaya.
Focusing on one conceited ass hole in a target rich environment.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Yep and get folks suck Larry's cock constantly... Least burns has killed a little more than kelp drunk beach bears and rut dumb spotlighted bucks....😂
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Yep and get folks suck Larry's cock constantly... Least burns has killed a little more than kelp drunk beach bears and rut dumb spotlighted bucks....😂
He's apparently on your mind, just saying. Have a good one. Kidding!
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Yep and get folks suck Larry's cock constantly... Least burns has killed a little more than kelp drunk beach bears and rut dumb spotlighted bucks....😂
He's apparently on your mind, just saying. Have a good one. Kidding!
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
I think it would be safe to say, burns could probably get sponsored by about anyone... even swfa... haha
Maybe so Jud, he's still a conceded assshole no matter what. Some folks are ok with that, some aren't. Just comes down to we don't all agree nor have to. Cumbaya Cumbaya Cumbaya.
Been hit'n the bottle tonight Burns? You're usually not this big, nor obvious of an ass.
It's of no concern to me, but it is noticeable.....carry on.
Low sales
Actually record sales so we had a bit of a celebration.
Suppressors and solvent traps were a good move and rifles sales are way up just like everybody.
Originally Posted by ctsmith
When we see Leupolds on the podium, or even being used by the players, I may take another look.
You do seem eager for someone to give you your opinion.
Originally Posted by Will16
All three I have shot with sucked. Got rid of them all after sending them in. Vx2cds vx3i vx5hd. Wouldn’t track or hold zero at all and the vx5 had a canted reticle. Sent it in for that, they fixed it but said nothing was wrong with it. Mounted it and it wouldn’t track or hold poi at all. Same with the others.
When we see Leupolds on the podium, or even being used by the players, I may take another look.
You do seem eager for someone to give you your opinion.
Once upon a time every rifle I owned wore a Leup. After numerous failures I threw in the towel, and not willing to try again until there is evidence of a change.
Hopefully Mrs Burns collected all that money owed to him by Gunwerks, in spite of him never really billing it.........another epic Burns failure.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by huntsman22
I don't see how you can get that far behind, unless you're crooked as bleep.....
LOL.
They owe us money.
It's not been fun.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Arron and I had been getting along pretty well and we were planning to expand the Wyoming Governor Match to include a Precision Rifle Match in addition to the 3 Gun Match.
Originally Posted by 4th_point
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
They owe us money.
It's not been fun.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but am wondering if this has been resolved. Aaron Davidson posted in another thread, "Delinquent vendor payments: fake news"
He does show me the good stuff. He shows you and the public that Leupold pays him lots of money. But you knew that, considering your MBA in accounting and marketing.
He does show me the good stuff. He shows you and the public that Leupold pays him lots of money. But you knew that, considering your MBA in accounting and marketing.
So you're telling us your "bud" Tubb does not like Leupold but he just says so and also sells Leupold because Leupold is paying him?
If ,as you claim, Tubb is for sale what was the price?
You really don't think out these wacky posts, do you?
Your words, not mine, but I don't feel the need to explain anything to your dumb ass. I bet Wyoming Halfassed Arms is proud of you as their spokesman. Now get busy collecting those mystery invoices from Gunwerks.
Your words, not mine, but I don't feel the need to explain anything to your dumb ass. I bet Wyoming Halfassed Arms is proud of you as their spokesman. Now get busy collecting those mystery invoices from Gunwerks.
Hmm.
Your words.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
He shows you and the public that Leupold pays him lots of money.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
They're not on any rifle I've seen him shoot at his place, that's for sure.
I wonder if you want to clarify why your "bud" sells Leupold but you claim he does not use them on any rifle?
Originally Posted by JCMCUBIC
Just when we thought we had a really nice Leupold Derangement Syndrome thread going that idiot Burns shows up.
My OP on this particular subject is there for all to see, without your attempts to reinvent them. I'm sure most here can read them and clearly understand. You obviously cannot. You've got to admit......Wyoming Halfassed Arms was pretty funny, huh?
I’m not friends with anyone who sells scopes. I love Leupold scopes but after getting some NF and SWFA scopes I realized that the Leupold scopes didn’t track correctly. That is a fact period end of story. I would buy vx6’s rather than NF if I could get positive feedback. I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
I have gave Burns a hard time too but it’s not his fault. The majority can’t shoot can’t hunt can’t get into places where they need to be. The majority also save up and will spend $6-12,000 on a hunt. They can’t shoot can’t hike can’t take care of the kill but they can cut a check. Those guys need a flat field good scope turned to number whatever great rest then bang. After that someone else with a knife probably sharpened by someone else cuts up the kill. Sound about right? If I’m wrong I apologize to everyone who has had to see this post.
My OP on this particular subject is there for all to see, without your attempts to reinvent them. I'm sure most here can read them and clearly understand. You obviously cannot. You've got to admit......Wyoming Halfassed Arms was pretty funny, huh?
I trying to understand.
What did you mean when you said Leupold pays Tubb a lot of money?
What did you mean when you said Tubb does not use Leupold on any of his rifles.
Just looking for clarity and really dumb it down like you're talking to a slow 5 year old.
Thanks.
Originally Posted by Kaleb
I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
VX6/VX5 is awesome but then again I manged to do some decent stuff with VX 3.
If you are happy with what you got then why change?
Most here note I don't attack others choices, I just tend to explain to the few vocal Leupold Derangement Syndrome suffers among us that others have great success running Gold Ring.
I’m not friends with anyone who sells scopes. I love Leupold scopes but after getting some NF and SWFA scopes I realized that the Leupold scopes didn’t track correctly. That is a fact period end of story. I would buy vx6’s rather than NF if I could get positive feedback. I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
They are not admitting any problem so what are they gonna fix?
My OP on this particular subject is there for all to see, without your attempts to reinvent them. I'm sure most here can read them and clearly understand. You obviously cannot. You've got to admit......Wyoming Halfassed Arms was pretty funny, huh?
I trying to understand.
What did you mean when you said Leupold pays Tubb a lot of money?
What did you mean when you said Tubb does not use Leupold on any of his rifles.
Just looking for clarity and really dumb it down like you're talking to a slow 5 year old.
Thanks.
Read slowly and try harder......make special note I made no mention of what he shoots at public events, etc because I don't know, and don't care.
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Modified ones maybe. They're not on any rifle I've seen him shoot at his place, that's for sure.
I’m not friends with anyone who sells scopes. I love Leupold scopes but after getting some NF and SWFA scopes I realized that the Leupold scopes didn’t track correctly. That is a fact period end of story. I would buy vx6’s rather than NF if I could get positive feedback. I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
They are not admitting any problem so what are they gonna fix?
I am beginning to think to think your claim Tubb is your "bud" might not be totally accurate.
Why would you claim Leupold pays him lots of money if you had absolutely ZERO info that was factual?
Why would you say Tubb never uses Leupold when the internet is chock full of videos showing him using Leupold and the only brand of scope he sells is Leupold?
As I said before, my posts are here for everyone to read, and they're easy to comprehend if you want to. You're doing a good job of making up your own story, like you do everything else so I'm not surprised at the position you've taken. It'll take you far in life.......well, on second thought it really hasn't has it?
I’m not friends with anyone who sells scopes. I love Leupold scopes but after getting some NF and SWFA scopes I realized that the Leupold scopes didn’t track correctly. That is a fact period end of story. I would buy vx6’s rather than NF if I could get positive feedback. I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
They are not admitting any problem so what are they gonna fix?
As I said before, my posts are here for everyone to read, and they're easy to comprehend if you want to. You're doing a good job of making up your own story, like you do everything else so I'm not surprised at the position you've taken. It'll take you far in life.......well, on second thought it really hasn't has it?
So you totally stick by your claim Leupold pays Tubb lots of money?
Originally Posted by JGRaider
He does show me the good stuff. He shows you and the public that Leupold pays him lots of money.
Wonder why or maybe even if Leupold would pay Tubb "lots of money"?
And also your claim Tubb does not use Leupold on any rifles?
Originally Posted by JGRaider
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Well at least you learned that your "bud" Tubb is a Leupold fan.
Modified ones maybe. They're not on any rifle I've seen him shoot at his place, that's for sure.
At some point you're going to have to quit lying but it's pretty funny to watch the you flounder.
We all know you're way out over your skies, groping at straws, and looking for any lifeline but I suspect I ain't going to ease off the pedal until you come clean.
Sooner will hurt less than later, Just Sayin.
To be honest I am not much of a Tubb fanboi but your bullschit really is very unfair to him.
Burns, when Leup is even in the game, get back with me. And aren't you the one who made all the threats to have Rick ban folks for disparaging remarks about Leupold?
Burns, when Leup is even in the game, get back with me. And aren't you the one who made all the threats to have Rick ban folks for disparaging remarks about Leupold?
I’m not friends with anyone who sells scopes. I love Leupold scopes but after getting some NF and SWFA scopes I realized that the Leupold scopes didn’t track correctly. That is a fact period end of story. I would buy vx6’s rather than NF if I could get positive feedback. I have reached out to several people on this forum asking about that vx6’s and no positive feedback yet. I would love to go back to Leupold but until they fix what the minority are saying isn’t broke I just can’t.
They are not admitting any problem so what are they gonna fix?
16000 views yet you can't get even one vote. I thought at least Blackheart was in your corner. Here's your sign!
If we are voting for the most Karen like respondent to the thread, put me in his corner. For the love of haysoos he has a sandy vajayjay.
Seriously, who gets wound up over the fact that some shooters don't like Leupold. Big deal. Who gets worked up over the fact that Leupold is rarely found in certain shooting competition disciplines?
I have no dog in this fight but trying to get someone band from a website because of differing opinions or you don’t like them is juvenile.
That being said I appreciate the knowledge some of you possess. I am trying to learn more about long range shooting and scope options. Thanks for all the positive info.
I have no dog in this fight but trying to get someone band from a website because of differing opinions or you don’t like them is juvenile.
Its in jest my friend. But what is not in jest is defending a member JG Raider that we all want around (he has also been a mighty Leupold advocate in the past). Also, Burns rant several years ago about forcing Rick to ban some members or lose Burn's sponsorship was not in jest. He was dead serious. The digital voice video someone posted earlier is a direct quote from Burns.
I have no dog in this fight but trying to get someone band from a website because of differing opinions or you don’t like them is juvenile.
Its in jest my friend. But what is not in jest is defending a member JG Raider that we all want around (he has also been a mighty Leupold advocate in the past). Also, Burns rant several years ago about forcing Rick to ban some members or lose Burn's sponsorship was not in jest. He was dead serious. The digital voice video someone posted earlier is a direct quote from Burns.
Originally Posted by ctsmith
Originally Posted by Springcove
I have no dog in this fight but trying to get someone band from a website because of differing opinions or you don’t like them is juvenile.
Its in jest my friend. But what is not in jest is defending a member JG Raider that we all want around (he has also been a mighty Leupold advocate in the past). Also, Burns rant several years ago about forcing Rick to ban some members or lose Burn's sponsorship was not in jest. He was dead serious. The digital voice video someone posted earlier is a direct quote from Burns.
CT I meant no one in particular and hope you didn’t take it personally if so I apologize that was not my intent. Guys try that crap on the campfire forum and it just irritates me. I’m just trying to learn more about long range shooting as I have no experience with it.
If John did something like that then that’s pretty bush league. As I said trying to get someone banned for differing opinions or personal dislike is juvenile...
Seems to me that the only thing Burns stomped on is his own reputation.
The strength of his argument seems to consist of name dropping, passive aggression, and an old picture of him shooting at, and missing, a target at 1 mile.
A handful of pictures of Leups and dead critters are nothing but a straw man argument. Most of us have killed game with Leups, but that doesn’t change the fact that they seem to fail more often than some other scopes on the market. Most of us that have experienced Leup failures probably didn’t stop to take a picture of the ‘failure experience’ (not often possible), but I can assure you that my experiences really happened. Do I hate Leupold? No, but until they acknowledge and make changes to rectify the cause of the failures/mechanical unreliability that I’ve experienced, I certainly can’t recommend them. Especially when I’ve experienced a night-and-day difference between Leup and a handful of other scope models that have proven to be totally mechanically reliable.
Seems to me that the only thing Burns stomped on is his own reputation.
The strength of his argument seems to consist of name dropping, passive aggression, and an old picture of him shooting at, and missing, a target at 1 mile.
A handful of pictures of Leups and dead critters are nothing but a straw man argument. Most of us have killed game with Leups, but that doesn’t change the fact that they seem to fail more often than some other scopes on the market. Most of us that have experienced Leup failures probably didn’t stop to take a picture of the ‘failure experience’ (not often possible), but I can assure you that my experiences really happened. Do I hate Leupold? No, but until they acknowledge and make changes to rectify the cause of the failures/mechanical unreliability that I’ve experienced, I certainly can’t recommend them. Especially when I’ve experienced a night-and-day difference between Leup and a handful of other scope models that have proven to be totally mechanically reliable.
Leupold is probably built by a bunch of antifas at their day jobs. LOL!
Not at all likely to be the case. Bunch of good decent folks. One of the things about Leupold succeeding would be the hundreds (700+) of good folks they'd bring with them. Maybe a handful of closet heathens. Cumbaya.
Right now I have two M8 6x42 scopes needing de-rattling. My favorite basic hunting scope too damnit.
I still use a few of the 6x36's with dotz. For some reason, I can't kill them, but I may shed a tear when they croak.
Have a couple old M-8 long tube 4 X's like that, don't twist em, but damn they're solid.
As to the rest of this thread...............we know the pig is going to shlt, we don't care, just wish he'd quit shltting in the trail, very bothersome to have to walk around it ; ]
Right now I have two M8 6x42 scopes needing de-rattling. My favorite basic hunting scope too damnit.
I still use a few of the 6x36's with dotz. For some reason, I can't kill them, but I may shed a tear when they croak.
My old 6x36 is still going.
For some reason, those suckers actually move the way they're supposed to and stay put. Only Leupold I have ever seen work like that and they're the older coin clicker turrets.
Seems to me that the only thing Burns stomped on is his own reputation.
The strength of his argument seems to consist of name dropping, passive aggression, and an old picture of him shooting at, and missing, a target at 1 mile.
A handful of pictures of Leups and dead critters are nothing but a straw man argument. Most of us have killed game with Leups, but that doesn’t change the fact that they seem to fail more often than some other scopes on the market. Most of us that have experienced Leup failures probably didn’t stop to take a picture of the ‘failure experience’ (not often possible), but I can assure you that my experiences really happened. Do I hate Leupold? No, but until they acknowledge and make changes to rectify the cause of the failures/mechanical unreliability that I’ve experienced, I certainly can’t recommend them. Especially when I’ve experienced a night-and-day difference between Leup and a handful of other scope models that have proven to be totally mechanically reliable.
Don't forget I also posted some dope memes.
I am old enough to remember when Jordan begged me for a job.
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
I’ve not had very much luck with the 6x42’s myself. I wanted to like em, but the x36’s have replaced all but one of them.
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
That’s funny Clint, by far my last choice of any leupold, had/has a cult like following. Boy the 6x42 was the campfire darling for alotta years...
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
That’s funny Clint, by far my last choice of any leupold, had/has a cult like following. Boy the 6x42 was the campfire darling for alotta years...
Seems to me that the only thing Burns stomped on is his own reputation.
The strength of his argument seems to consist of name dropping, passive aggression, and an old picture of him shooting at, and missing, a target at 1 mile.
A handful of pictures of Leups and dead critters are nothing but a straw man argument. Most of us have killed game with Leups, but that doesn’t change the fact that they seem to fail more often than some other scopes on the market. Most of us that have experienced Leup failures probably didn’t stop to take a picture of the ‘failure experience’ (not often possible), but I can assure you that my experiences really happened. Do I hate Leupold? No, but until they acknowledge and make changes to rectify the cause of the failures/mechanical unreliability that I’ve experienced, I certainly can’t recommend them. Especially when I’ve experienced a night-and-day difference between Leup and a handful of other scope models that have proven to be totally mechanically reliable.
Don't forget I also posted some dope memes.
Hah, fair enough!
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I am old enough to remember when Jordan begged me for a job.
LOL, "begged" might be a mischaracterization. Just slightly. Multiple companies, and a pile of passive aggression and narcissism ago, back when Burns conducted himself on here with a bit of dignity, I thought it might be fun to work with him. But as mathman pointed out, I've observed and learned a few things since then.
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
That’s funny Clint, by far my last choice of any leupold, had/has a cult like following. Boy the 6x42 was the campfire darling for alotta years...
They worked great for me for many years.
So what happened? They just mysteriously quit working all the sudden? We’re folks lying then or they lying now? Just curious
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
That’s funny Clint, by far my last choice of any leupold, had/has a cult like following. Boy the 6x42 was the campfire darling for alotta years...
They worked great for me for many years.
So what happened? They just mysteriously quit working all the sudden? We’re folks lying then or they lying now? Just curious
I think probably what happened was a few bought and used them, had good results and spread the word so more piled on. Then once M1 dials and such started getting added they started giving up a bit sooner. I had a M1 and plain jane with dotz that started acting weird and wouldn’t group. Replaced them with the X36 variant and the weird shooting guns went back to normal. Leupold rebuilt them, back in the day, quickly and I’ve sold them. I still have an older FX3 that seems fine, but I’m just gun shy with them now.
They both developed a rattle like I mentioned earlier. Something is loose inside. One was on an accurate 243 that rather quickly quit shooting well. I noticed the rattle in that one at home when I had no earplugs in.
Ohhhhhh the angst of them trying to ride coat tails,as they lament being unable to critique ANYTHING and how others connect dots soooooooo very fhuqking easily. Hint. LAUGHING!
I personally never had any 6x36 Reupold luck,nor has anyone that I know who's flogged upon same(we all have). The 6x42's of course,were THE benchmark for many moons,until Reupold cut corners and turned 'em into Dog Schit. Funnier yet,is they never had the savvy to offer a MK4 M1 6x,though I of course have the M3 versions of same,but largely retired 'em for Retrostalgia. Hint.
Hit the range the other day and bumped into an Old Boy cussing up a storm,as he was trying to get a 50yd zero on a 22LR,with a Reupold 3-9x. It was hotter than fhuqk and he was traipsin' to/from the bench and backer and I mentioned that I had a Spotting Scope in my crummy,which cheered him up. He shot,I called corrections in Reupold "clicks" and he was Re-MAD. I asked him if I could look at things and he said "please". Gave 'er a shake and said "your scope puked",then he was Re-Re-MAD. I told him,"well...at least you KNOW it ain't you" and I mighta' mentioned a wagonload of similar Reupold Pukes. Hint.
I had him gawk my Spotter (Reupold MK4 Gen2 FFP),so he could savvy WTF with a reticle that'd tell you sumptin' useful. Dots connected,the light went on and he asked "WHY aren't ALL fhuqking scopes like that?!?",the MAD waning,as there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. I then grabbed a certain Vudoo that ain't little,removed mag and bolt,removed turrets from splines,indexed them wayyyyyyyy off their correct index and then asked him to whirl/twirl elevation and windage up/down ALL around,until I got back from hanging fresh 50yd paper. His heart was in it,which is of course how dots connect. Hint.
Once back at the bench,I skinned zoom to 5x,for greatest FOV and let him boresight on the center of 50yd paper. I crammed bolt back in receiver,so he could taste the 2-Ounce Shilen,prior to live fire. After a few of them,he said he was ready for the real thing,so I inserted the magazine and went to the Spotter. He shot the center dot at 12x,with parallax confirmed by him doing a Stevie Wonder,through said splendor. He shot and from there,I said "now simply measure the height and windage required to zero,where you aimed". 3.7 Mil's left and 2.3 Mil's up,which correlated to what I saw in the Spotter. Next shot was correlated to POA/POI and he blew his own [bleep] mind,with only (2) [bleep] shots,aboard a rifle he'd never even fhuqking heard of,let alone seen and same went the optic. Hint.
Later that day,with said platform,if only so Boobscan say they've "seen" one. Hint. LAUGHING!
I had him shoot from 20yds,to 200yds,gunning both erector and subtension,as that was the limits of this particular bench. "[bleep] Leupold he said" and I mentioned,that I've felt that similar pain and farrrrrrr too fhuqking many times. Also mighta' stated how many of the non-Reupolds I had and have as of yet to suffer a single Puke,despite obscene roundcounts and what is nearing 100 of said Brand's optics. Hint.
From there,I let him gun some other wares of the ilk,all of which shared like erector/reticle language. Then he was WAY pissed,that there's no 6x MQ's to procure,which I couldn't help him with cutting a check IMMEDIATELY.(grin) Hint.
Coming full circle,my MK4 Spotter has "only" PUKED it's guts once and the Bushie Baby Bitches DESTROY it optically and mechanically(better reticle),for 25% the jingle. Hint. LAUGHING!
Not that I don't enjoy a GREAT Reupold Ruse,as THE Most Clueless Of Fhuqks do their Melting Snowflake Routine(s),which are assuredly NO fhuqking "Act"...the "lucky" kchunts. Though in fairness,I've never seen more than (3) NIB Reupolds PUKE,on any single day. Hint. LAUGHING!
Right now I have two M8 6x42 scopes needing de-rattling. My favorite basic hunting scope too damnit.
I still use a few of the 6x36's with dotz. For some reason, I can't kill them, but I may shed a tear when they croak.
My old 6x36 is still going.
For some reason, those suckers actually move the way they're supposed to and stay put. Only Leupold I have ever seen work like that and they're the older coin clicker turrets.
I’ve never had a 6x36 shift zero. Ever. I’ve used them for years. Some of them have ridden 100’s of miles in a saddle scabbard as well. I do try not to throw them around though.
Oh my,Crying Karen is ALL about waxing eloquent via Vagina Monologue,upon her Countless yet very WELL founded Insecurities...the "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",in that which is blasse' for me mid fhuqking morning,is IMPOSSIBLE for Window Lickers and that never ain't not fhuqking funnier than fhuqk. Hint. LAUGHING!
Some purty High Zoot wares there! Pardon my having more GOOD Riggin' in my crummy on a slooowwwwwww day,than you've seen in your "Life". Hint. LAUGHING!
1000 Words. Hint.
Pardon my being a fan of colors and of course,now you can say you've "seen" an OEM S/S spouted 'Schutz wearing a Custom Bob 75MO/MO rail from a run I requested and what just might be a 6x MQ? The sticker affixed the MacaMillion Sillywet handle,just might be a misnomer. Google it. Hint. LAUGHING!
Pardon even more colors,as you type with your mask on,while madly trying to Google it all. Now you can say you've seen a Mike Garrow Hummer wearing a S/S spout,with an Optika6 aboard. The scope Puked and is at their repair facility. Hint. LAUGHING!.
Pardon even more colors,as you nod your head like you "understand". Babiest 270 and Illuminatti. Google it. Hint. LAUGHING!
Swapped scopes the other day,after the Old Boy left the range. Illuminatti has never boobled(I've a "few" of 'em),but the '6x HD's reticle and illumination are better. Post Sport Limit this mornin'. Contemplatin' a Personal Use Limit,here in a bit,which is only 20 Silvers a day...but I regress. Google it. hint. LAUGHING!
1000 words on an erector and reticle talkin' the same language. Google it. Hint. LAUGHING!
Bless her heart for trying though.
Hint.
LAUGHING!................
Now as the Reupold 6x36 goes,I've only Puked 'em on a RWS Springer,10/22 and a Wylde Krunchenticker,offa' the top of my head. All stagnant set and forget bitches. Hint.
Just sayin'.
Pardon actual USE.
LAUGHING!....................
I reckon I should bolt NorthernLite up,just so you Google gals,can flaunt your masks. Hint.
Now as the Reupold 6x36 goes,I've only Puked 'em on a RWS Springer,10/22 and a Wylde Krunchenticker,offa' the top of my head. All stagnant set and forget bitches. Hint.
Just sayin'.
Pardon actual USE.
LAUGHING!....................
I reckon I should bolt NorthernLite up,just so you Google gals,can flaunt your masks. Hint.
Typical Reupold bullschit. Wouldn't track(the adjustment "values" are suggestions at fhuqking BEST) and never anything resembling zero retention. Hint.................
I am guessing that is legal in the area you were hunting but I would be embarrassed by shooting turkey's with a rifle. No sport in that. The fact you posted those pictures says a lot.
Now as the Reupold 6x36 goes,I've only Puked 'em on a RWS Springer,10/22 and a Wylde Krunchenticker,offa' the top of my head. All stagnant set and forget bitches. Hint.
Just sayin'.
Pardon actual USE.
LAUGHING!....................
I reckon I should bolt NorthernLite up,just so you Google gals,can flaunt your masks. Hint.
LAUGHING!.................
What took a dump on em? Wouldn’t retain zero?
It’s hard to keep up with the lies, back when Barnes were cool and she’d bitch about Hornady, leupold tracked with laser precision... haha
Oh my,Crying Karen melts down yet again,as she feverishly reads my every word and gawks every Splendid Pixel...the "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Pardon my simply shooting it all and then some,as you GoogleFu. Hint. LAUGHING!
Ain't it a right proper Dichotomy,that my musing a simplistic critique drives Consumers in sucha' manner?!? Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Laughing!
Now even as great as I am,not even I can gun wares prior to their being Invented,if only to the chagrin of Window Lickers everywhere. At least you "get" to read about it. Hint. LAUGHING!
Ohhhhhh the angst of them trying to ride coat tails,as they lament being unable to critique ANYTHING and how others connect dots soooooooo very fhuqking easily. Hint. LAUGHING!
I personally never had any 6x36 Reupold luck,nor has anyone that I know who's flogged upon same(we all have). The 6x42's of course,were THE benchmark for many moons,until Reupold cut corners and turned 'em into Dog Schit. Funnier yet,is they never had the savvy to offer a MK4 M1 6x,though I of course have the M3 versions of same,but largely retired 'em for Retrostalgia. Hint.
Hit the range the other day and bumped into an Old Boy cussing up a storm,as he was trying to get a 50yd zero on a 22LR,with a Reupold 3-9x. It was hotter than fhuqk and he was traipsin' to/from the bench and backer and I mentioned that I had a Spotting Scope in my crummy,which cheered him up. He shot,I called corrections in Reupold "clicks" and he was Re-MAD. I asked him if I could look at things and he said "please". Gave 'er a shake and said "your scope puked",then he was Re-Re-MAD. I told him,"well...at least you KNOW it ain't you" and I mighta' mentioned a wagonload of similar Reupold Pukes. Hint.
I had him gawk my Spotter (Reupold MK4 Gen2 FFP),so he could savvy WTF with a reticle that'd tell you sumptin' useful. Dots connected,the light went on and he asked "WHY aren't ALL fhuqking scopes like that?!?",the MAD waning,as there was a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. I then grabbed a certain Vudoo that ain't little,removed mag and bolt,removed turrets from splines,indexed them wayyyyyyyy off their correct index and then asked him to whirl/twirl elevation and windage up/down ALL around,until I got back from hanging fresh 50yd paper. His heart was in it,which is of course how dots connect. Hint.
Once back at the bench,I skinned zoom to 5x,for greatest FOV and let him boresight on the center of 50yd paper. I crammed bolt back in receiver,so he could taste the 2-Ounce Shilen,prior to live fire. After a few of them,he said he was ready for the real thing,so I inserted the magazine and went to the Spotter. He shot the center dot at 12x,with parallax confirmed by him doing a Stevie Wonder,through said splendor. He shot and from there,I said "now simply measure the height and windage required to zero,where you aimed". 3.7 Mil's left and 2.3 Mil's up,which correlated to what I saw in the Spotter. Next shot was correlated to POA/POI and he blew his own [bleep] mind,with only (2) [bleep] shots,aboard a rifle he'd never even fhuqking heard of,let alone seen and same went the optic. Hint.
Later that day,with said platform,if only so Boobscan say they've "seen" one. Hint. LAUGHING!
I had him shoot from 20yds,to 200yds,gunning both erector and subtension,as that was the limits of this particular bench. "[bleep] Leupold he said" and I mentioned,that I've felt that similar pain and farrrrrrr too fhuqking many times. Also mighta' stated how many of the non-Reupolds I had and have as of yet to suffer a single Puke,despite obscene roundcounts and what is nearing 100 of said Brand's optics. Hint.
From there,I let him gun some other wares of the ilk,all of which shared like erector/reticle language. Then he was WAY pissed,that there's no 6x MQ's to procure,which I couldn't help him with cutting a check IMMEDIATELY.(grin) Hint.
Coming full circle,my MK4 Spotter has "only" PUKED it's guts once and the Bushie Baby Bitches DESTROY it optically and mechanically(better reticle),for 25% the jingle. Hint. LAUGHING!
Not that I don't enjoy a GREAT Reupold Ruse,as THE Most Clueless Of Fhuqks do their Melting Snowflake Routine(s),which are assuredly NO fhuqking "Act"...the "lucky" kchunts. Though in fairness,I've never seen more than (3) NIB Reupolds PUKE,on any single day. Hint. LAUGHING!
Pardon the round count.
Hint.
LAUGHING!..................
I do find it rather soothing, and well, rather fuucking funny, someone as rich as you living on “paradise “, has to go to “the range”!!!!!!...... your stupidity never ceases to impress!! Haha
Some of us “lucky cuunts “ simply step out the back door.... hint
What’s the “Like Button” for a AR platform vs. a bolt gun at least for LR hunting situations past 650 yards?
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I still think Bolt guns are the answer if your going to shoot past 650. Cartridges are limited to 308 and Creedmoor size if the AR is going to be small enough to actually pack.
Originally Posted by CWT
I am guessing that is legal in the area you were hunting but I would be embarrassed by shooting turkey's with a rifle. No sport in that. The fact you posted those pictures says a lot.
Poor liar Larry, I notice after the Ol lady and kids have rolled, the biitching moaning has escalated... poor poor literally, Larry.... haha saw mill close to me
Crying Karen,it might be a "fluke" that I used the term "Range",to summons a Window Licker to yet another pane...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Sadly,there are VERY few places to shoot here and only 17,000,000 acres of choice. Hint. LAUGHING!
Pardon my uncanny abilities with the MASTERY of both Vernacular and Punctuation,if only to set the stage for the Oblivious Humor,of CLUELESS Fhuqktards givin' same a whirl with their Imitation. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. LAUGHING!
I like Wheelguns too. Hint. LAUGHING!
Brass Clacker,tied 7/7 ala 15lb and McFoam'd. Be sure to Google it all and nod your head,like you "understand". Hint. LAUGHING!
My bad for planting seeds as per whim and driving Consumers towards wares that actually fhuqking works,as you perpetually melt on the sidewalk. Hint. Laughing!
Bless your heart,for riding the Pine and rattlin' them Pom-Pom's with your mask on,as you drive "The Cause".
Fifteenish years ago when I knew there was a problem a 6x42 went on a light weight 30-06. The word on the street was these fixed powers were more robust. The scope broke on the first shot, literally. That was not the straw that broke the camels back, but it came not long after.
That’s funny Clint, by far my last choice of any leupold, had/has a cult like following. Boy the 6x42 was the campfire darling for alotta years...
They worked great for me for many years.
+1, M8 versions without dials. A Remington with a 6x42 HD worked for years without fiddle phucqking around. Also had great service from the old Vari-X 1.5-5x20.
No one is crying cept you, which again is escalating. Do dig the “range” you have to load up the “crummy” to utilize!!! You got er good little man!!! Again, there are those of us, that simply have steel hung to 500 right out the back fuucking door... hint
I am guessing that is legal in the area you were hunting but I would be embarrassed by shooting turkey's with a rifle. No sport in that. The fact you posted those pictures says a lot.
Crying Karen,I am SHOCKED that despite your feverishly following my every word and Splendid Pixels,then frosting same with borrowed punctuation,that you'd wish to extoll your inability to afford a camera and propensity to steal pixels...you "lucky" kchunt. Them that cain't simply do for themselves,must STEAL,as you quantify. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Kudos on your finding enough fences to borrow,in order to furrow your crossed-eyes and gaping maw,on a "hunt". That is some HARD Core Stuff there! Hint. LAUGHING!
I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that the "500yd Range" went away,as did any/all platform "particulars",being germane(that ain't Linguistics). Hint. LAUGHING!
Pardon the hat,being a misnomer(Google it yet AGAIN). Hint. LAUGHING!
Oooopsie!
Bless your heart,for doing your BEST,as per your "abilities".
Easy on the meltdown sugar tits, it’s very easy to see through your lying bullshiit... I love redassing you, as it’s always been easy.. when you’ve been there and done that, it’s extremely easy to sniff the bullshiit... do love the imaginary and pretend “$$ grows on trees” though, funny thing is, the boy and I were just talkin about that a couple days ago, went something like, ever notice loggers/cutters ain’t got shiit, unless you own a company?? Well guess what sugar tits, you resemble that remark... hint
Washed up broke cutter that ain’t got shiit, now your scrambling on the slope to try to get a retirement... congratulations?? 😂😂😘💋
Regarding pics, I never said a Leupold can't kill a critter. I've killed plenty with a Leupold. In Bama, more deer have likely been killed with a sub $100 Tasco. That doesn't mean they are worth a crap.
When real shooters start using them, get back with me. Dead critters don't prove [bleep], and neither does a dude holding your rifle, nor a governor (WTH?).
Typical Reupold bullschit. Wouldn't track(the adjustment "values" are suggestions at fhuqking BEST) and never anything resembling zero retention. Hint.................
Oooooopsie!
Laughing!.................
Rgr, same stuff. I’ll keep pounding these I’ve got. Doesn’t matter anyhow cause they don’t make em anymore anyhow... another fabulous decision I guess.
A true southerner would pass up a 200" mule deer to get to gobbler, and rifles are heresy. Cut CWT a little slack.
I got your point but don't go for folk's judging other's legal hunting actions, even the one in question. Cumbaya.
Just cause it is legal doesn't mean I consider it sporting nor fun. But I would not pass up a 200" mule deer or a 150 " whitetail ( in my neck or the woods ) for a 4 year old gobbler at 20 yards. The fun of turkey hunting is calling them in close. I'd prolly feel different if I was from your neck of the woods but I ain't so I don't. I don't understand why folks that have killed a hundred or more deer still shoot 1 1/2 year old bucks but some do. It is legal but I don't get it. Cumbaya.
I got your point but don't go for folk's judging other's legal hunting actions, even the one in question. Cumbaya. Just cause it is legal doesn't mean I consider it sporting nor fun. But I would not pass up a 200" mule deer or a 150 " whitetail ( in my neck or the woods ) for a 4 year old gobbler at 20 yards. The fun of turkey hunting is calling them in close. I'd prolly feel different if I was from your neck of the woods but I ain't so I don't. I don't understand why folks that have killed a hundred or more deer still shoot 1 1/2 year old bucks but some do. It is legal but I don't get it. Cumbaya.
So you have never done spot and stalk in the open country of the west.
I got your point but don't go for folk's judging other's legal hunting actions, even the one in question. Cumbaya. Just cause it is legal doesn't mean I consider it sporting nor fun. But I would not pass up a 200" mule deer or a 150 " whitetail ( in my neck or the woods ) for a 4 year old gobbler at 20 yards. The fun of turkey hunting is calling them in close. I'd prolly feel different if I was from your neck of the woods but I ain't so I don't. I don't understand why folks that have killed a hundred or more deer still shoot 1 1/2 year old bucks but some do. It is legal but I don't get it. Cumbaya.
So you have never done spot and stalk in the open country of the west.
Got it.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
You'd think someone blessed enough to have the opportunities you have would be happy. That is some cool schidt.
Super Happy and yup that's some kewl schit.
This ain't bad.
That is living my dream right there. Of course from our angle, we don't see the work it took to get you there. I am sure it ain't all unicorns and rainbows.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
I have put enough meat in the freezer with an Iron Sighted Handgun to figure my sneaky skillz are better than average.
That is living my dream right there. Of course from our angle, we don't see the work it took to get you there. I am sure it ain't all unicorns and rainbows.
Did you connect on the first shot?
First shot was ribs but all the way back. He was a dead bull walkin but I should have gave him another MOA of leade.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
I have put enough meat in the freezer with an Iron Sighted Handgun to figure my sneaky skillz are better than average.
Must be you get bored hunting up close and personal ? I'm just the opposite. Hunting quickly bores me when it turns into long distance shooting of live targets.
Now Peckerpole Princessess "want" their "dues". Hint. LAUGHING!!!
As they "work" Minimum Wage "jobs" and "extoll" "500yd Ranges". LAUGHING!!
A Retarded Knot Bumper and and a Window Licker join "forces",to "justify" their Dog Dicktitude! LAUGHING!
Bless your hearts.
LAUGHING!...............
Mother of meatneck, look back there in that alder berry, gong and paper at 500, is plumb handy, hellava lot better than having to “go” to the “range”.... hint
Must be you get bored hunting up close and personal ? I'm just the opposite. Hunting quickly bores me when it turns into long distance shooting of live targets.
I don't judge, do your thing.
Can't say I have ever been "bored" lining up iron sights on a critter at spit ball distance nor dialing dope on the scope with many football fields in between.
That is living my dream right there. Of course from our angle, we don't see the work it took to get you there. I am sure it ain't all unicorns and rainbows.
Did you connect on the first shot?
First shot was ribs but all the way back. He was a dead bull walkin but I should have gave him another MOA of leade.
He was all charged up and ready to fight.
What did the head shot do? Glancing blow?
The only open country hunting I have ever done was in Kodiak when I was stationed there. That was before range finding equipment was readily available. I sucked at estimating yardage. I missed a few. Add in the element of movement, and it's not a layperson's game.
The only open country hunting I have ever done was in Kodiak when I was stationed there. That was before range finding equipment was readily available. I sucked at estimating yardage. I missed a few. Add in the element of movement, and it's not a layperson's game.
No head shot.
You can see the trace track right into his shoulder where the mane meets the tan hide but some of the brush he was raking fell off his horns.
Scotty was running the camera and he still catches a bit of schit for that shot call.
A true southerner would pass up a 200" mule deer to get to gobbler, and rifles are heresy. Cut CWT a little slack.
I got your point but don't go for folk's judging other's legal hunting actions, even the one in question. Cumbaya.
Just cause it is legal doesn't mean I consider it sporting nor fun. But I would not pass up a 200" mule deer or a 150 " whitetail ( in my neck or the woods ) for a 4 year old gobbler at 20 yards. The fun of turkey hunting is calling them in close. I'd prolly feel different if I was from your neck of the woods but I ain't so I don't. I don't understand why folks that have killed a hundred or more deer still shoot 1 1/2 year old bucks but some do. It is legal but I don't get it. Cumbaya.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops, but there are lots of places in the West that require you to shoot long or you won't be shooting at all.
Rangefinders & good optics makes 500-700 yard shots on elk (big animal) almost gimme's.......................just sayin'.
I have built specific rifles for that very exact purpose, especially for hunting big mule deer in certain locations.
So you really need to understand those situations before you criticize too severely.
I think some folks in the east and south don't grasp the concepts of so much land and so much game of so many species. Not just WT, turkey and bear. Cumbaya
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops MM
Are you lost? This is the optics forum.
Yeah, I forgot; I'll fu^ck him up real good with no mercy next time.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops MM
Are you lost? This is the optics forum.
Yeah, I forgot; I'll fu^ck him up real good with no mercy next time.
I think some folks in the east and south don't grasp the concepts of so much land and so much game of so many species. Not just WT, turkey and bear. Cumbaya
Some would come out West and ask “Don’t you have Sherpas to go get the meat”?
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops, but there are lots of places in the West that require you to shoot long or you won't be shooting at all.
Rangefinders & good optics makes 500-700 yard shots on elk (big animal) almost gimme's.......................just sayin'.
I have built specific rifles for that very exact purpose, especially for hunting big mule deer in certain locations.
So you really need to understand those situations before you criticize too severely.
MM
I've been all over Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Washington and the Dakota's. Saw all kinds of game on the prarie, in the mountains, in the timber and the badlands. Don't think there's anywhere you can't get closer than 500 yards. Otherwise bow, muzzleloader, handgun and even rifle hunters before the advent of rangefinders would never kill anything there and they certainly have and do.
I think some folks in the east and south don't grasp the concepts of so much land and so much game of so many species. Not just WT, turkey and bear. Cumbaya
Some would come out West and ask “Don’t you have Sherpas to go get the meat”?
LOL
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Some in the East are used to bringing game out from miles back in. It ain't all as populated as some Westerners might think.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops, but there are lots of places in the West that require you to shoot long or you won't be shooting at all.
Rangefinders & good optics makes 500-700 yard shots on elk (big animal) almost gimme's.......................just sayin'.
I have built specific rifles for that very exact purpose, especially for hunting big mule deer in certain locations.
So you really need to understand those situations before you criticize too severely.
MM
I've been all over Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Washington and the Dakota's. Saw all kinds of game on the prarie, in the mountains, in the timber and the badlands. Don't think there's anywhere you can't get closer than 500 yards. Otherwise bow, muzzleloader, handgun and even rifle hunters before the advent of rangefinders would never kill anything there and they certainly have and do.
Then you really haven't actually hunted much there..................there are LOTS of specific spots / places / area that circumstances will dictate that you will not get to within 500 yards of an animal.
Yes, there are many other areas where you will be up close & personal; just don't confuse those with where you cannot, & generalize as it only shows you really haven't hunted much there.................it just don't work that way.
From here it don't look like you do too much stalking, just spot and shoot. Killing critters at 700 - 1000 yards is an impressive demonstration of long range shooting I guess but not much hunting or "stalking" skill involved IMO.
Not to bust your chops, but there are lots of places in the West that require you to shoot long or you won't be shooting at all.
Rangefinders & good optics makes 500-700 yard shots on elk (big animal) almost gimme's.......................just sayin'.
I have built specific rifles for that very exact purpose, especially for hunting big mule deer in certain locations.
So you really need to understand those situations before you criticize too severely.
MM
I've been all over Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Washington and the Dakota's. Saw all kinds of game on the prarie, in the mountains, in the timber and the badlands. Don't think there's anywhere you can't get closer than 500 yards. Otherwise bow, muzzleloader, handgun and even rifle hunters before the advent of rangefinders would never kill anything there and they certainly have and do.
Then you really haven't actually hunted much there..................there are LOTS of specific spots / places / area that circumstances will dictate that you will not get to within 500 yards of an animal.
MM
Then hunt where you can. We have some big ag fields here where you can shoot several hundred yards. We also have places where you can see across the valley from one mountainside to the other several hundred yards distant. Funny thing is, I hunted some of those open areas for years with bow. muzzleloader and slug gun and killed deer every single year. No I couldn't shoot every deer I saw. That's hunting. Do you mean to tell me those areas you speak of were never hunted successfully before the advent of rangefinders and turret twisting ? That would be rather hard to believe. And if you are telling me there is no way to get closer, then how the hell do you get your game after you've shot it ?
I do love the fact, as the 24 hr “sharpshooters” are “shooting” shiit that doesn’t matter, as they’re worthy of winning any $$$ , or anything for that matter, I’m gallivanting around, ghostin shiit, and having the time of my life!!! Keep busting primers and spinning turrets.... for nothing!!! Haha
You fuuckers whine enough, you guys might get liar Larry a decent house and a dirty Ol slut to call her “wife”..... 🖕🏿😂😘🥰
One thing the suckass crew needs to know, I’m not here for pm’s, follows, friends or hunts, might be a poster on this thread that can elaborate... grin
Burns ain’t too bad, always liked him, wish he wouldn’t talk [bleep] to uncle Johnny, but unk has thick skin....
One thing the suckass crew needs to know, I’m not here for pm’s, follows, friends or hunts, might be a poster on this thread that can elaborate... grin
One thing the suckass crew needs to know, I’m not here for pm’s, follows, friends or hunts, might be a poster on this thread that can elaborate... grin
And if you are telling me there is no way to get closer, then how the hell do you get your game after you've shot it ?
Well they stop that running schit when you kill them where they stand.
This seems basic hunting knowledge but maybe not everyone knows it?
Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
Well yeah, you shoot them dead and then get a lot closer.
It ain't rocket surgery if you have decent equipment and a smidgen of skillz.
There is a point where it becomes target shooting at live targets. I live on top of a mountain here. There is a field on the mountain across the valley from me. The near edge of that field is over 700 yards distant. There are deer out in that field nearly every evening. you could set up a bench on my front porch and shoot them from here. The thing is, I can go out and mow the lawn, cut firewood, or ride my ATV around the yard and they don't pay any attention. I would not consider shooting one of them "hunting" when they are so far away that they don't even perceive a threat. Nor would I be proud of the accomplishment
And if you are telling me there is no way to get closer, then how the hell do you get your game after you've shot it ?
Well they stop that running schit when you kill them where they stand.
This seems basic hunting knowledge but maybe not everyone knows it?
Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting/stalking skill then. Fifty years from now If there were some sort of lazer gun that shot perfectly flat for miles and allowed sure kills in the next zip code, would you still consider it hunting or sporting to do so ? Would an animal shot from 2 miles away still be a trophy to be proud of ? Where do you draw the line or isn't there one ?
One thing the suckass crew needs to know, I’m not here for pm’s, follows, friends or hunts, might be a poster on this thread that can elaborate... grin
Which only leaves the "Likes" just like Burns.
We got it bro.....
Jeff, if that’s how it is, I’m not bro.... but you can suck lotsa ass via araig, but don’t fuuckin call me bro.... matter of fact, you’ve got my phone number and addy.... I’ll be killin bulls first week of October, killin everything in November, “whole month off” and Arizona first week of December.... you wanna see me, say it, as with your homey liar Larry, and the truck driver... hint
Well yeah, you shoot them dead and then get a lot closer.
It ain't rocket surgery if you have decent equipment and a smidgen of skillz.
There is a point where it becomes target shooting at live targets. I live on top of a mountain here. There is a field on the mountain across the valley from me. The near edge of that field is over 700 yards distant. There are deer out in that field nearly every evening. you could set up a bench on my front porch and shoot them from here. The thing is, I can go out and mow the lawn, cut firewood, or ride my ATV around the yard and they don't pay any attention. I would not consider shooting one of them "hunting" when they are so far away that they don't even perceive a threat. Nor would I be proud of the accomplishment
LOL.
Try riding a ATV around 700yds from a 6 year old bull elk on public ground.
The hunting world is much more than private ground 1 1/2 year old whitetails that don't get hunted much.
I would not consider shooting one of them "hunting" when they are so far away that they don't even perceive a threat. Nor would I be proud of the accomplishment
That's telling.................
In many cases, they are aware of a threat & they know exactly where you are & that is exactly part of why you will not get closer, in addition to whatever the terrain limitations are.
Do your deer hunts in NY require stalking a few hundred yards? Or what's it like, jump shooting? Sneaking around "still" hunting? Elevated blinds? These aren't the guys lobbing bullets at 550 that have no idea what happens past 200.
I will say, per one of my best pards, Larry is a very nice suckass in person, but that’s why I like “me”, I’m who I am, I’m not gonna be someone else via www, or in person...
And if you are telling me there is no way to get closer, then how the hell do you get your game after you've shot it ?
Well they stop that running schit when you kill them where they stand.
This seems basic hunting knowledge but maybe not everyone knows it?
Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation. 100% do it yourself hunt. Packed in a camp. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
[quote=Blackheart]Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation.100% do it yourself hunt. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
If that's your ram in your avatar well done.
It ain't easy to pull those horns from the wilderness.
[quote=Blackheart]Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation.100% do it yourself hunt. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
If that's your ram in your avatar well done.
It ain't easy to pull those horns from the wilderness.
Well yeah, you shoot them dead and then get a lot closer.
It ain't rocket surgery if you have decent equipment and a smidgen of skillz.
There is a point where it becomes target shooting at live targets. I live on top of a mountain here. There is a field on the mountain across the valley from me. The near edge of that field is over 700 yards distant. There are deer out in that field nearly every evening. you could set up a bench on my front porch and shoot them from here. The thing is, I can go out and mow the lawn, cut firewood, or ride my ATV around the yard and they don't pay any attention. I would not consider shooting one of them "hunting" when they are so far away that they don't even perceive a threat. Nor would I be proud of the accomplishment
LOL.
Try riding a ATV around 700yds from a 6 year old bull elk on public ground.
The hunting world is much more than private ground 1 1/2 year old whitetails that don't get hunted much.
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years. Despite that I have managed to take several 3.5 years and older. Oh, and everybody gets a buck tag here, we don't draw for them. Tell me some more about pressured game.
[quote=Blackheart]Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation.100% do it yourself hunt. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
If that's your ram in your avatar well done.
It ain't easy to pull those horns from the wilderness.
Yup that's him. Got him on the 4th trip in. 570 yard shot. If that bothers anybody, tough schit.
[quote=Blackheart]Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation.100% do it yourself hunt. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
If that's your ram in your avatar well done.
It ain't easy to pull those horns from the wilderness.
Yup that's him. Got him on the 4th trip in. 570 yard shot. If that bothers anybody, tough schit.
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years old. Despite that I have managed to take several 3,5 years and older. Tell me some more about hunting pressured game.
You're the goofy feller yip yapin about driving your ATV around while mowing the lawn and the game does not take notice.
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years old. Despite that I have managed to take several 3,5 years and older. Tell me some more about hunting pressured game.
You're the goofy feller yip yapin about driving your ATV around while mowing the lawn and the game does not take notice.
It's your story.
From a half mile away they don't perceive a threat.
[quote=Blackheart]Obviously there is a way to get closer then. Seems pretty basic but obviously not everybody gets it.
If you draw a sheep tag around Cody WY there are good places to try your sneaking skills.
Why not just fly over the area and shoot them from a chopper ? You could remove all the hard work and hunting skill then.
Frowned upon by the WG&F. I rode 10 miles on horseback to that area. 5000 ft gain in elevation.100% do it yourself hunt. Big time grizzly country that complicates things. No hard work was removed.
If that's your ram in your avatar well done.
It ain't easy to pull those horns from the wilderness.
Yup that's him. Got him on the 4th trip in. 570 yard shot. If that bothers anybody, tough schit.
I live on top of a mountain here. There is a field on the mountain across the valley from me. The near edge of that field is over 700 yards distant.
I'm having a difficult time imagining a field on a mountain and a "valley" that is less than 700 yards wide.
Yes, I know you said the field is "over 700 yards distant", but the notion is there.
You get to the bottom of one and almost immediately start up the next. There is a road between and thats it. You go downhill to the road from here, cross the road and you are going back up.
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years old. Despite that I have managed to take several 3,5 years and older. Tell me some more about hunting pressured game.
You're the goofy feller yip yapin about driving your ATV around while mowing the lawn and the game does not take notice.
It's your story.
From a half mile away they don't perceive a threat.
And that is Low Pressure.
A 6 year old Ram or bull or buck will spook at a mile plus from some chuckle head zipping around on an ATV or mowing a lawn.
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years old. Despite that I have managed to take several 3,5 years and older. Tell me some more about hunting pressured game.
You're the goofy feller yip yapin about driving your ATV around while mowing the lawn and the game does not take notice.
It's your story.
How bout a “yip yappin” kelpbed booger hawg??? All ya gotta do is over tighten your rings, throw your rifles in the water and biitch!!! Haha
I have rarely hunted private ground in my whole life and have taken over 200 whitetails. With 1.4 million licensed hunters in this State back when I started hunting and 750,000 now, the hunting pressure is probably about as great as it gets anywhere. So great in fact that only 10-15% of our bucks ever made it past 1.5 years of age back then and today even with the big push for QDM and antler restrictions only 20% make it past 2.5 years old. Despite that I have managed to take several 3,5 years and older. Tell me some more about hunting pressured game.
You're the goofy feller yip yapin about driving your ATV around while mowing the lawn and the game does not take notice.
It's your story.
From a half mile away they don't perceive a threat.
And that is Low Pressure.
A 6 year old Ram or bull or buck will spook at a mile plus from some chuckle head zipping around on an ATV or mowing a lawn.
We've got more fuggin licensed hunters than you've got people. The more popular hunting spots close to the road you are not getting out of sight of another hunter all day and that's in the woods where you can't see over 100 yards. Tell me more about pressure dick head.
You fuuckers think this “out west” stuff is tough, head to pow, cruise beaches in a boat, shoot kelp drunk beach bears fresh outta hibernation, then, shoot diminutive deer, from July to December 31st!!! That’s tough shiit!!! Serious shiit!! I mean tough boolits for 70lb deer, limited time, this stuff is tough!!! Then having to drive to a range??? Really??? This stuff is “hunting”.. 😂😂
We've got more fuggin licensed hunters than you've got people. The more popular hunting spots close to the road you are not getting out of sight of another hunter all day and that's in the woods where you can't see over 100 yards. Tell me more about pressure dick head.
I did.
If you are zipping around in an ATV at 1/2 mile with game not giving you a second glance your living the Low Pressure Life.
It's kewl but you probably should understand it's super easy hunting.
Rifles would be unsportsmanlike and slingshots are really the only thing a good hunter would use.
We've got more fuggin licensed hunters than you've got people. The more popular hunting spots close to the road you are not getting out of sight of another hunter all day and that's in the woods where you can't see over 100 yards. Tell me more about pressure dick head. [/quote
I did.
If you are zipping around in an ATV at 1/2 mile with game not giving you a second glance your living the Low Pressure Life.
It's kewl but you probably should understand it's super easy hunting.
Rifles would be unsportsmanlike and slingshots are really the only thing a good hunter would use.
I live on top of a mountain here. There is a field on the mountain across the valley from me. The near edge of that field is over 700 yards distant.
I'm having a difficult time imagining a field on a mountain and a "valley" that is less than 700 yards wide.
Yes, I know you said the field is "over 700 yards distant", but the notion is there.
Ted, were talkin Adirondacks here! 😂😂
Vermont would blow your fuggin minds. Up, down, up ,down up, down.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
Originally Posted by Blackheart
We've got more fuggin licensed hunters than you've got people. The more popular hunting spots close to the road you are not getting out of sight of another hunter all day and that's in the woods where you can't see over 100 yards. Tell me more about pressure dick head. [/quote
I did.
If you are zipping around in an ATV at 1/2 mile with game not giving you a second glance your living the Low Pressure Life.
It's kewl but you probably should understand it's super easy hunting.
Rifles would be unsportsmanlike and slingshots are really the only thing a good hunter would use.
But I don't judge, you do you.
That mountain across from me gets hunted hard during seer season. I know because I've hunted it plenty and taken several bucks off of it. That field is surrounded by thick woods. In fact the whole rest of the mountain is woods other than that one field. That's where most of the hunters are and most of the deer are killed. Despite that, deer will still come out in that field sometimes close to dark. If somebody isn't watching it from the edge of the woods and shooting at them immediately I can ride my ATV around the yard or drive my Jeep down the driveway and they won't even look this way. Folks around here don't shoot at deer a half mile away across valleys.
Your not a Alaskan!!! Thank God you don't behave that way!! Hope the move went well!!
Without a hitch. I've covered a shït ton of the road system in the last month, goofing around, from Valdez to Deadhorse. It's a different experience than all the years I spent flying around up here to the really good areas....but just as fun.
Folks around here don't shoot at deer a half mile away.
Sounds like a good place where a feller who knows how to run a rifle might do well.
Got GPS Coordinates?
Asking for a friend who shoots well.
I think you're a slob for doing it there. Sure as hell ain't nobody gonna want you doing it around here.
My Friend won't be whacking your 2 1/2 year old basket bucks whom love to watch you mow the lawn.
The bucks he snipes from afar you won't even notice are gone.
Look up the success rate of deer hunters in Wyoming vs New York ya fuggin buck toothed orange goober. I just did. Talk about easy huntin. Over twice the hunter success rate in Wyo. I doubt you'd be killin' diddly shyt here.
Look up the success rate of deer hunters in Wyoming vs New York ya fuggin buck toothed orange goober. I just did. Talk about easy huntin. Over twice the hunter success rate in Wyo. I doubt you'd be killin' diddly shyt here.
Well Wyoming Hunters do shoot well so it's not shocking we have twice the success.
My Friend is still interested in your honey hole where the deer don't run from ATVs or lawn mowers.
Tame bucks and Wyoming shooting skillz might be a match made in heaven.
Just Sayin and you won't miss the bucks he whacks.
Look up the success rate of deer hunters in Wyoming vs New York ya fuggin buck toothed orange goober. I just did. Talk about easy huntin. Over twice the hunter success rate in Wyo. I doubt you'd be killin' diddly shyt here.
Well Wyoming Hunters do shoot well so it's not shocking we have twice the success.
My Friend is still interested in your honey hole where the deer don't run from ATVs or lawn mowers.
Tame bucks and Wyoming shooting skillz might be a match made in heaven.
Just Sayin and you won't miss the bucks he whacks.
Your shooting skills wouldn't do you much good in much of New York. In the hard hunted areas very few good bucks will expose themselves jn the open during daylight hours unless it's on strictly controlled private land. Most public land is densely forested and you'd actually have to hunt and get close to have a shot. Being able to shoot offhand quickly and accurately is of much more use and you won't need a rangefinder or any turret twisting.
Oh really, what's my assessment of all Northeast hunters ? I don't recall giving one.
It’s pretty easy to see BH, you think if folks don’t see things the way you see it they’re doing something wrong and it’s somehow not hunting in your narrow scope of the world. Many folks learn to hunt multiple different ways and adapt to the situation. You assume that since many folks that take longer shots than what you do in your little corner of the world they don’t know what they’re doing or know how to hunt.
You asked what the cut off for LR was and it was probably boring or somehow unsporting to shoot at an animal further than what you typically do. That’s a pretty broad brush of nonsense. Just because you choose to hunt deer in the woods and like to still hunt around doesn’t mean most of the folks that know how to track, stalk and shoot couldn’t do it in the Adirondacks or any other hunting ground anywhere.
Oh really, what's my assessment of all Northeast hunters ? I don't recall giving one.
It’s pretty easy to see BH, you think if folks don’t see things the way you see it they’re doing something wrong and it’s somehow not hunting in your narrow scope of the world. Many folks learn to hunt multiple different ways and adapt to the situation. You assume that since many folks that take longer shots than what you do in your little corner of the world they don’t know what they’re doing or know how to hunt.
You asked what the cut off for LR was and it was probably boring or somehow unsporting to shoot at an animal further than what you typically do. That’s a pretty broad brush of nonsense. Just because you choose to hunt deer in the woods and like to still hunt around doesn’t mean most of the folks that know how to track, stalk and shoot couldn’t do it in the Adirondacks or any other hunting ground anywhere.
I have taken game in the open at several hundred yards distance in the past. I don't find it terribly exciting. The further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Oh really, what's my assessment of all Northeast hunters ? I don't recall giving one.
It’s pretty easy to see BH, you think if folks don’t see things the way you see it they’re doing something wrong and it’s somehow not hunting in your narrow scope of the world. Many folks learn to hunt multiple different ways and adapt to the situation. You assume that since many folks that take longer shots than what you do in your little corner of the world they don’t know what they’re doing or know how to hunt.
You asked what the cut off for LR was and it was probably boring or somehow unsporting to shoot at an animal further than what you typically do. That’s a pretty broad brush of nonsense. Just because you choose to hunt deer in the woods and like to still hunt around doesn’t mean most of the folks that know how to track, stalk and shoot couldn’t do it in the Adirondacks or any other hunting ground anywhere.
I have taken game in the open at several hundred yards distance in the past. I don't find it terribly exciting. The further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Id agree with that and typically I don’t care what others say about my gear. If it works for me, I run it. The only way I know what they do is to shoot em and test them. If they crap out I fix and sell em, if they work, I run em.
And I totally understand if shooting at longer range of a couple hundred yards at animals doesn’t excite you, the cool thing is we all get to pick when and how we wanna take the shot. I just don’t prescribe to putting what’s cool for me on the next person and saying it’s isn’t exciting or they could do it better my way.
Oh really, what's my assessment of all Northeast hunters ? I don't recall giving one.
It’s pretty easy to see BH, you think if folks don’t see things the way you see it they’re doing something wrong and it’s somehow not hunting in your narrow scope of the world. Many folks learn to hunt multiple different ways and adapt to the situation. You assume that since many folks that take longer shots than what you do in your little corner of the world they don’t know what they’re doing or know how to hunt.
You asked what the cut off for LR was and it was probably boring or somehow unsporting to shoot at an animal further than what you typically do. That’s a pretty broad brush of nonsense. Just because you choose to hunt deer in the woods and like to still hunt around doesn’t mean most of the folks that know how to track, stalk and shoot couldn’t do it in the Adirondacks or any other hunting ground anywhere.
I have taken game in the open at several hundred yards distance in the past. I don't find it terribly exciting. The further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Id agree with that and typically I don’t care what others say about my gear. If it works for me, I run it. The only way I know what they do is to shoot em and test them. If they crap out I fix and sell em, if they work, I run em.
And I totally understand if shooting at longer range of a couple hundred yards at animals doesn’t excite you, the cool thing is we all get to pick when and how we wanna take the shot. I just don’t prescribe to putting what’s cool for me on the next person and saying it’s isn’t exciting or they could do it better my way.
Point of fact I have killed deer in excess of 400 yards with a scoped rifle and in excess of 300 yards with iron sights. A feat requiring more in shooting than hunting skill. I am not particularly proud of those kills. Certainly much less than the ones taken from their beds unaware at close range.
IThe further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
That's simply not correct, & no one has said anything close to that, but you.
In densely covered areas, yes, it's easier for a good hunter to get closer to game in the east or in the west.
What you just don't seem to get is that in the west, in more open or fully open areas, game spots you at much, much longer distances.
It's not a matter of being a better hunter in either scenario, it's a matter of circumstances dictating how you hunt & at what distances shots may need to be made..................or no shot at all, maybe on a book head or a once in a lifetime ram or.............................
Especially if you are hunting for a trophy, & fully mature animal, not an immature 1 1/2 year old.
The more you yap the more you simply discredit yourself.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
IThe further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
That's simply not correct, & no one has said anything close to that, but you.
In densely covered areas, yes, it's easier for a good hunter to get closer to game in the east or in the west.
What you just don't seem to get is that in the west, in more open or fully open areas, game spots you at much, much longer distances.
It's not a matter of being a better hunter in either scenario, it's a matter of circumstances dictating how you hunt & at what distances shots may need to be made..................or no shot at all, maybe on a book head or a once in a lifetime ram or.............................
Especially if you are hunting for a trophy, & fully mature animal, not an immature 1 1/2 year old.
The more you yap the more you simply discredit yourself.
MM
Bullshyt, you're either lying or stupid. Which is it ?
Blackie, your one sided opinion is well documented ad nauseum and everyone else's idea of hunting is less superior to yours. And your chosen place to hunt is the most challenging area on planet earth.
We get it already. Throttle back. I know it's hard for you.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
And she continues to whine as the sand scrubs her mangina..............................another k-unty window licker playing out her only move left.
The only bull-schitter here is you; I won't call you a liar, just narrow minded as in being able to look through a keyhole with both eyes.
Laughin' here.
MM
My last post to you was in reference to your first statement in that post. You are either full of shyt or stupid/unobservant if you think that is true.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
IThe further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
That's simply not correct, & no one has said anything close to that, but you.
In densely covered areas, yes, it's easier for a good hunter to get closer to game in the east or in the west.
What you just don't seem to get is that in the west, in more open or fully open areas, game spots you at much, much longer distances.
It's not a matter of being a better hunter in either scenario, it's a matter of circumstances dictating how you hunt & at what distances shots may need to be made..................or no shot at all, maybe on a book head or a once in a lifetime ram or.............................
Especially if you are hunting for a trophy, & fully mature animal, not an immature 1 1/2 year old.
The more you yap the more you simply discredit yourself.
MM
Bullshyt, you're either lying or stupid. Which is it ?
Blackheart you are just wrong on this. I grew hunting black tail deer and my longest shot for years was just over 100 yards. When I started hunting Idaho and Nevada in many places there was no cover no way to get close. I have let a lot a deer walk because I couldn’t get within comfortable range at the time There are many different ways to hunt and take game. Your myopia is telling.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
Every video in this thread that I have watched has shown substantial obstacles between the shooter and the target. If you had ever hunted open mountain terrain, you'd know that you have to take the shots the terrain and the time gives you. Walking closer to the animal isn't always an option. It's not like he's seeing animals at 200 yards and walking further away just to try to notch a long distance kill. I'll let him tell you this, but I suspect that he'll tell you that before he takes any long distance shots he evaluates whether or not the terrain will let him get closer in a timely manner. It's a matter of either not taking the shots at all or taking them shots at distances your skill level won't allow you to. There may be no feasible in between.
IThe further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
That's simply not correct, & no one has said anything close to that, but you.
In densely covered areas, yes, it's easier for a good hunter to get closer to game in the east or in the west.
What you just don't seem to get is that in the west, in more open or fully open areas, game spots you at much, much longer distances.
It's not a matter of being a better hunter in either scenario, it's a matter of circumstances dictating how you hunt & at what distances shots may need to be made..................or no shot at all, maybe on a book head or a once in a lifetime ram or.............................
Especially if you are hunting for a trophy, & fully mature animal, not an immature 1 1/2 year old.
The more you yap the more you simply discredit yourself.
MM
Bullshyt, you're either lying or stupid. Which is it ?
Blackheart you are just wrong on this. I grew hunting black tail deer and my longest shot for years was just over 100 yards. When I started hunting Idaho and Nevada in many places there was no cover no way to get close. I have let a lot a deer walk because I couldn’t get within comfortable range at the time There are many different ways to hunt and take game. Your myopia is telling.
That's hunting. You ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. The quarry is supposed to have a sporting chance of detecting danger and making an escape. How did they ever manage to get it done before the advent of rangefinders ? Folks today want to make everything as easy as possible, replacing skill and work with gadgetry.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
Every video in this thread that I have watched has shown substantial obstacles between the shooter and the target. If you had ever hunted open mountain terrain, you'd know that you have to take the shots the terrain and the time gives you. Walking closer to the animal isn't always an option. It's not like he's seeing animals at 200 yards and walking further away just to try to notch a long distance kill. I'll let him tell you this, but I suspect that he'll tell you that before he takes any long distance shots he evaluates whether or not the terrain will let him get closer in a timely manner. It's a matter of either not taking the shots at all or taking them shots at distances your skill level won't allow you to. There may be no feasible in between.
Again, you ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. See my post above for more on that. Do you people have any limits on sportsmanship or ethics at all ? If shooting animals from 5 miles away were possible, would that still be sporting or ethical or fair chase ? I swear I don't know why some of you don't just hunt at night with a spot light or night vision optics or just shoot your "trophies" inside a high fence. At some point in the future, the technology to kill from as far as you can see may be possible. Are you still going to consider that sporting and ethical and fair chase ?
BH, my last word on the matter to you is simply GFY.
You have no clue.
MM
I have every fuggin clue buckwheat. We have open country and opportunities for long shooting here if that's what you want to do. I simply choose not to hunt that way.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
Every video in this thread that I have watched has shown substantial obstacles between the shooter and the target. If you had ever hunted open mountain terrain, you'd know that you have to take the shots the terrain and the time gives you. Walking closer to the animal isn't always an option. It's not like he's seeing animals at 200 yards and walking further away just to try to notch a long distance kill. I'll let him tell you this, but I suspect that he'll tell you that before he takes any long distance shots he evaluates whether or not the terrain will let him get closer in a timely manner. It's a matter of either not taking the shots at all or taking them shots at distances your skill level won't allow you to. There may be no feasible in between.
Again, you ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. See my post above. Do you people have any limits on sportsmanship at all ? If shooting animals from 5 miles away were possible, would that still be sporting or ethical or fair chase ? I swear I don't know why some of you don't just hunt at night with a spot light or night vision optics or just shoot your "trophies" inside a high fence.
Much of the challenge of mountain hunting is the physical challenge. Just getting to where the animals are will have most people sucking wind. When you kill an animal, you don't go back, get the 4 wheeler and load it up. When I lived in Kodiak, I pretty much knew when I set out to hunt the mountains that I was going to bag a nice blacktail. All I had to do was put in the work to get to where they were. Then I got to enjoy the work of packing the animal out. Should I have passed on the opportunity because I pretty well knew I was going to kill one?
Hell, if you have killed 200+ animals, doing what you do can't be that much of a challenge. What's that, four deer per year for each year of your adult life? Sounds really difficult.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
Every video in this thread that I have watched has shown substantial obstacles between the shooter and the target. If you had ever hunted open mountain terrain, you'd know that you have to take the shots the terrain and the time gives you. Walking closer to the animal isn't always an option. It's not like he's seeing animals at 200 yards and walking further away just to try to notch a long distance kill. I'll let him tell you this, but I suspect that he'll tell you that before he takes any long distance shots he evaluates whether or not the terrain will let him get closer in a timely manner. It's a matter of either not taking the shots at all or taking them shots at distances your skill level won't allow you to. There may be no feasible in between.
Again, you ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. See my post above. Do you people have any limits on sportsmanship at all ? If shooting animals from 5 miles away were possible, would that still be sporting or ethical or fair chase ? I swear I don't know why some of you don't just hunt at night with a spot light or night vision optics or just shoot your "trophies" inside a high fence.
Much of the challenge of mountain hunting is the physical challenge. Just getting to where the animals are will have most people sucking wind. When you kill an animal, you don't go back, get the 4 wheeler and load it up. When I lived in Kodiak, I pretty much knew when I set out to hunt the mountains that I was going to bag a nice blacktail. All I had to do was put in the work to get to where they were. Then I got to enjoy the work of packing the animal out. Should I have passed on the opportunity because I pretty well knew I was going to kill one?
Hell, if you have killed 200+ animals, doing what you do can't be that much of a challenge. What's that, four deer per year for each year of your adult life? Sounds really difficult.
Well, considering our hunter success rate on bucks runs roughly 15% statewide, which is far less than many states, I doubt it's that easy comparatively. Of course that success rate includes public and private land and areas of widely differing deer density and hunting pressure. Since I've filled my buck tags every year except for two when I didn't get to hunt, and mostly on public land, I'd say I've done alright. Oh yeah and ATV's aren't legal on public land here. You kill it, you're bringing it out on shanks mare. I might have brought out 5 or 6 via ATV in my whole life.
For sure. No point in shooting them unless you’ll have some excitement or point of the hunt. I get that.
My point is I don’t wanna crap on someone else’s hunt. We should back each other’s play as long as it’s legal take.
Watch Burns's video of the buck he killed at 760 yards. Three people talking in a normal voice and the buck doesn't even look their way. Yeah, required much stealth and hunting skill. That buck was super alert and was gonna bust those sneaky bastards any second. LMAO
Long range target practice at a live target.
Do you have a link? I have noticed in these long distance shots that there is often a gorge with steep walls between the shooter and the animal. The instant you take a few steps from the would be shooting position, you lose sight of the animal. Picking steps carefully in rocky terrain is time consuming. Climbing up through chest high vegetation, you can't see anything 20 yards in front of you. You may in fact have to hike around and past where the animal was last seen in order to get it into your field of view. You know what I am talking about if you have ever hunted wide open mountain country.
Geesus he posted a link to that video in this thread. Pay attention.
Every video in this thread that I have watched has shown substantial obstacles between the shooter and the target. If you had ever hunted open mountain terrain, you'd know that you have to take the shots the terrain and the time gives you. Walking closer to the animal isn't always an option. It's not like he's seeing animals at 200 yards and walking further away just to try to notch a long distance kill. I'll let him tell you this, but I suspect that he'll tell you that before he takes any long distance shots he evaluates whether or not the terrain will let him get closer in a timely manner. It's a matter of either not taking the shots at all or taking them shots at distances your skill level won't allow you to. There may be no feasible in between.
Again, you ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. See my post above. Do you people have any limits on sportsmanship at all ? If shooting animals from 5 miles away were possible, would that still be sporting or ethical or fair chase ? I swear I don't know why some of you don't just hunt at night with a spot light or night vision optics or just shoot your "trophies" inside a high fence.
Much of the challenge of mountain hunting is the physical challenge. Just getting to where the animals are will have most people sucking wind. When you kill an animal, you don't go back, get the 4 wheeler and load it up. When I lived in Kodiak, I pretty much knew when I set out to hunt the mountains that I was going to bag a nice blacktail. All I had to do was put in the work to get to where they were. Then I got to enjoy the work of packing the animal out. Should I have passed on the opportunity because I pretty well knew I was going to kill one?
Hell, if you have killed 200+ animals, doing what you do can't be that much of a challenge. What's that, four deer per year for each year of your adult life? Sounds really difficult.
Well, considering our hunter success rate on bucks runs roughly 15% statewide, which is far less than many states, I doubt it's that easy comparatively. Of course that success rate includes public and private land and areas of widely differing deer density and hunting pressure. Since I've filled my buck tags every year except for two when I didn't get to hunt, and mostly on public land, I'd say I've done alright. Oh yeah and ATV's aren't legal on public land here. You kill it, you're bringing it out on shanks mare. I might have brought out 5 or 6 via ATV in my whole life.
Now you have really made it sound like you need to add a new layer of difficulty to your hunts to make them more sporting. Maybe you could cover yourself in cougar piss and wear bells on your boots. If you are filling every tag every year, what you are doing isn't difficult. If I had the money, I'd pay to send you out west to hunt with Burns. I'd get a kick out of watching you suck wind and quit climbing.
Hell, if you have killed 200+ animals, doing what you do can't be that much of a challenge. What's that, four deer per year for each year of your adult life? Sounds really difficult.
He's a legend in his own mind...................just sayin'.
Maybe even a narcissist too, to boot. Maybe rivals Daniel Boone.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Northern Maine, Northern New York, Vermont and New Hampshire are known for being some of the most challenging whitetail hunting in the Country, yet there are people who fill their tags year after year.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
Let's get back on track.
Marines getting it done with Leupold.
Great picture.. Heard those Marines were probably ok with a long gun...
Kinda surprised they didn't break them though... Nothing to do with Leupold per se, but we've tended to break ball bearings.
Originally Posted by Judman
Btw my new batch of layin hens are doin stellar!! 😂😂
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
I guess when you start killing some elk, bear, deer, lions, at your predetermined ranges that you deem sporting than we can concede your point, but I am pretty sure we're completely safe.
The dummy part was pretty good, that really drove the point home..
It's all relative I guess. I've crossed paths with some folks (even in the open west) who adamantly believe that all rifle hunting should be banned, because even a 100 yard shot is unsporting. Blackheart would not be a true hunter to those people.
You know what people say about opinions and all...
Call it shooting instead of hunting if you'd like, Blackheart. That's fine. In 2017 I took an elk at 558 yards and a deer at less than 20. I learned something from each experience and enjoyed both of the "hunts".
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Rifles, muzzle loaders, slug guns, scopes, archery, chasing them down with dogs..... you boys are wimps, and wasting good $$ on unnecessary equipment!
Oatmeal cookie in one hand, and a ball-peen hammer in the other. Look 'em square in the eye before bashing its brains in..... now that's "hunting" up close and personal.
It's all relative I guess. I've crossed paths with some folks (even in the open west) who adamantly believe that all rifle hunting should be banned, because even a 100 yard shot is unsporting. Blackheart would not be a true hunter to those people.
You know what people say about opinions and all...
Call it shooting instead of hunting if you'd like, Blackheart. That's fine. In 2017 I took an elk at 558 yards and a deer at less than 20. I learned something from each experience and enjoyed both of the "hunts".
The vast majority of my deer have been taken at less than 50 yards and many under 20 with rifle, muzzleloader, bow, shotgun and handgun.
Rifles, muzzle loaders, slug guns, scopes, archery, chasing them down with dogs..... you boys are wimps, and wasting good $$ on unnecessary equipment!
Oatmeal cookie in one hand, and a ball-peen hammer in the other. Look 'em square in the eye before bashing its brains in..... now that's "hunting" up close and personal.
Dogs are illegal here. Another example of hunters placing restrictions on other hunters and themselves as to what constitutes fair chase.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I meant at what distance is it sporting to kill animals while giving them the chance to escape?
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I meant at what distance is it sporting to kill animals while giving them the chance to escape?
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
drover
No, but thats how I expect Burns to answer, if he will even touch it.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Doing away with rangefinders would go a long way toward giving game a sporting chance. Folks filled tags without them for a long time but probably not many at distances where the animal had little to no chance of detecting danger and making an escape.
I think doing away with rangefinders would cause a LOT more wounded critters, even more than there already are from folks shooting at distances they shouldn't shoot from, with or without rangefinders. These are the same people that shouldn't be shooting deer at 50 yards, let alone 500.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer. drover
No, but thats how I expect Burns to answer, if he will even touch it.
I think Nightforce work fine.
I choose Leupolds for the most part because they offer the best features in a weight class.
IThe further away you are from game, the less likelihood of detection, that's pretty simple and universal. Many here assume if we use the wrong scope or choose not to shoot at long distance that we are not good marksmen. In fact , over and over we've seen the optics geeks say anybody who doesn't use XYZ scope simply isn't a good enough shot to know if their scope holds zero or not. Nothing could be further from the truth.
That's simply not correct, & no one has said anything close to that, but you.
In densely covered areas, yes, it's easier for a good hunter to get closer to game in the east or in the west.
What you just don't seem to get is that in the west, in more open or fully open areas, game spots you at much, much longer distances.
It's not a matter of being a better hunter in either scenario, it's a matter of circumstances dictating how you hunt & at what distances shots may need to be made..................or no shot at all, maybe on a book head or a once in a lifetime ram or.............................
Especially if you are hunting for a trophy, & fully mature animal, not an immature 1 1/2 year old.
The more you yap the more you simply discredit yourself.
MM
Bullshyt, you're either lying or stupid. Which is it ?
Blackheart you are just wrong on this. I grew hunting black tail deer and my longest shot for years was just over 100 yards. When I started hunting Idaho and Nevada in many places there was no cover no way to get close. I have let a lot a deer walk because I couldn’t get within comfortable range at the time There are many different ways to hunt and take game. Your myopia is telling.
That's hunting. You ain't supposed to be able to kill every animal you see. The quarry is supposed to have a sporting chance of detecting danger and making an escape. How did they ever manage to get it done before the advent of rangefinders ? Folks today want to make everything as easy as possible, replacing skill and work with gadgetry.
I agree to an extent. I’m not talking about shooting 700-1000 yards. I’m talking about taking a shot at max 600 for someone like me. That’s with the a good rifle, scope and range finder. I pride myself on getting close to deer. Longest shot I have ever taken was just over 300 yards on a buck in Idaho.
If someone is proficient at shooting game from longer distances then to each there own. The dumbasses that just sling lead at any distance because they see an animal are worthless. We are all hunters and hopefully sportsman. We should support each other. Fair chase is the only way...
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer. drover
No, but thats how I expect Burns to answer, if he will even touch it.
I think Nightforce work fine.
I choose Leupolds for the most part because they offer the best features in a weight class.
Shooting long distance doesn't bother me much, but that suppressor just ain't fair at all , hell at least you could fire a warning shot to give the animal a heads up, or maybe just pop some smoke , so at least they knew what way to look and which way to run !
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Nice shooting. I'm enjoying the pics you're putting up.
Burns, which is better on average at tracking and zero retention, Leupold or Nightforce?
I don't have a dog in this fight but in order to answer that question wouldn't one have to know the total number of scopes built by Leupold and Nightforce? That is a number that I doubt that either company would give out as public info. Then of course you would have to weed out the ones that where the failure was caused by accidental damage rather than a scope design or manufacture fault. It seems to me that you are asking a question that is impossible to answer.
drover
That could be tested with enough (at least 30) scope samples of each brand with a series of ladder tests.
It would at least define how the scopes work in new condition, no info about long term durability & function.
It would take a fair amount of time & shooting.
I'd like to see it as I haven't bought any new Leupolds for a very long time.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show yours to be, I wouldn't use a scope at all. I want to hunt, not just kill things. Oh yeah, and the 10 point I have hanging on the wall behind me is considerably larger than the one you posted a pic of earlier. He was taken at 25 yards with iron sights. .
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Alas I am not so good a hunter so optics that dial help me fill the freezer.
Some of my buddies also struggle and don't have your hunting skillz but do have optics that dial.
We all have to play the hand we were dealt and not everyone has your awesome hunting abilities.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Alas I am not so good a hunter so optics that dial help me fill the freezer.
Some of my buddies also struggle and don't have your hunting skillz but do have optics that dial.
We all have to play the hand we were dealt and not everyone has your awesome hunting abilities.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Obviously.
Deer that ignore a lawn mower and ATV might also help, Just Sayin.
That said those of us that lack your "obvious" skillz must supplement with gadgets.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
Obviously.
Deer that ignore a lawn mower and ATV might also help, Just Sayin.
That said those of us that lack your "obvious" skillz must supplement with gadgets.
A hunters gotta eat.
Your deer are no wilder or wary than they are here. Your hunter success rate actually shows the opposite in fact.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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No kidding Beav. This is too hard to look away from, but painful to watch.
Its amazing to me there is this much BS over the topic. I just realized how much I suck at killin stuff till I hit this thread. I guess till you can see the hairs on the bulls cack before I line up the sights I’m not really giving him a chance to get away
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Any distance is sporting. The laser rangefinders are the gamechangers.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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No kidding Beav. This is too hard to look away from, but painful to watch.
Its amazing to me there is this much BS over the topic. I just realized how much I suck at killin stuff till I hit this thread. I guess till you can see the hairs on the bulls cack before I line up the sights I’m not really giving him a chance to get away
When you set out to kill an animal I don't think getting away is part of the plan
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
😂😎
No kidding Beav. This is too hard to look away from, but painful to watch.
Its amazing to me there is this much BS over the topic. I just realized how much I suck at killin stuff till I hit this thread. I guess till you can see the hairs on the bulls cack before I line up the sights I’m not really giving him a chance to get away
When you set out to kill an animal I don't think getting away is part of the plan
Just hunt inside a high fence then. No chance to get away and obviously some still consider it sport.
Good gawd another perfectly good thread shot to chit. LOL
Relatively par for the course on this optics forum... I mean Leupold tactical in the military has a pile to do with hunting in the Adirondacks and how boring it is to hunt animals
Right????
It's about what constitutes sporting, ethical and fair chase, what if anything doesn't and where you draw the line dummy.
You don't get to draw another persons line. Draw your own.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
Just for grins, what is the distance it becomes sporting?
Any distance is sporting. The laser rangefinders are the gamechangers.
Yes they are and you've got to wonder just how successful many would be without them.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft, full auto belt feed and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
Sorry bud, but if there is legal force to it, the government is responsible for it. People cannot make up laws independent of the government.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters here generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable hasrvest quouta's and license sales are met. If hunters didn't want such rules,Boone and Crocket wouldn't have rules like no high fences for inclusion into the books. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
For your viewing pleasure.
This is not your tame setting where you mow the lawn and putter about on your ATV.
If you want elk meat it pays to be a bit handy in things rifle and a gadget or 2 might be helpful if you're willing to put in the work.
Looks easy if you did the prior preparations and topped your rifle with a Leupold.
Lionheart would have walked up to it and cut its throat.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
😂😎
No kidding Beav. This is too hard to look away from, but painful to watch.
Its amazing to me there is this much BS over the topic. I just realized how much I suck at killin stuff till I hit this thread. I guess till you can see the hairs on the bulls cack before I line up the sights I’m not really giving him a chance to get away
Scotty, I wouldn’t know a good scope from a bad one...I always close my eyes before I squeeze the trigger. Amazing that I kill anything.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
Sorry bud, but if there is legal force to it, the government is responsible for it. People cannot make up laws independent of the government.
The hunting regulations are crafted cooperatively by DEC and the conservation council. Sorry to burst your bubble.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
No but I don't live in denial of reality. Obviously many can't handle the truth. I don't use spray tan and have beaver teeth either.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
No but I don't live in denial of reality.
Fair enough, just having a bit of fun bustin ballz.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
No but I don't live in denial of reality.
Fair enough, just having a bit of fun bustin ballz.
It is the Optic Forum.
I will agree you are good at that and have a good sense of humor to boot.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft, full auto belt feed and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
Isn’t the idea to harvest the animal you’re after? Out of state tags are spendy and personally I like eating elk, venison, antelope, etc. I hunt to feel my freezer. I really enjoy the experiences but I’m there to harvest an animal. If that’s not the case I might as well become a vegetarian...
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
😂😎
No kidding Beav. This is too hard to look away from, but painful to watch.
Its amazing to me there is this much BS over the topic. I just realized how much I suck at killin stuff till I hit this thread. I guess till you can see the hairs on the bulls cack before I line up the sights I’m not really giving him a chance to get away
Scotty, I wouldn’t know a good scope from a bad one...I always close my eyes before I squeeze the trigger. Amazing that I kill anything.
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No kidding Beav. I like to accessorize my stuff nice for the pictures though.
Most of my rifles wear Leupolds. I don't need them to track, just hold zero cuz I know how to hunt. If I had stupid deer like the high Wyoming success rates show, I wouldn't use a scope at all.
Alas I am not so good a hunter so optics that dial help me fill the freezer.
Some of my buddies also struggle and don't have your hunting skillz but do have optics that dial.
We all have to play the hand we were dealt and not everyone has your awesome hunting abilities.
Considering my success rate, it's obvious not many have my skills. They say 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer here. Obviously that puts me somewhere in the top 10%.
With that logic, the hunters in Wyoming are better than those in New York. That explains their higher success rate.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
Sorry bud, but if there is legal force to it, the government is responsible for it. People cannot make up laws independent of the government.
The hunting regulations are crafted cooperatively by DEC and the conservation council. Sorry to burst your bubble.
\ Enacted by government. Don't be embarrassed. There are several other government centrist types here.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft, full auto belt feed and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
Isn’t the idea to harvest the animal you’re after? Out of state tags are spendy and personally I like eating elk, venison, antelope, etc. I hunt to feel my freezer. I really enjoy the experiences but I’m there to harvest an animal. If that’s not the case I might as well become a vegetarian...
I used to really need to fill the freezer to eat. That'll happen when you have six kids with big appetites for meat. Now that they're grown and gone and nobody's going to go hungry it's important to me HOW I hunt and kill, not just that I do.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
No but I don't live in denial of reality.
Fair enough, just having a bit of fun bustin ballz.
It is the Optic Forum.
I will agree you are good at that and have a good sense of humor to boot.
Funny, hunters draw the line for other hunters all the time, hence the reason things like spot lights, baiting and aircraft are illegal in many if not most areas. When you can sit there having a conversation with your buddies in a normal voice, have to yell for the deer to even hear you and even then it isn't sure what it heard or where it came from and doesn't spook, you are too far away for that animal to have a sporting chance of identifying danger and making an escape for it to constitute sporting and fair chase. Just watch Burns video. It's all there.
That's what I'm asking all of you. As for me, as I said before, if you can stand there having a conversation with your buddies in full voice and have to yell just for the deer to even hear you, and even then it can't identify what it heard or where it came from, it's too far for it to have a reasonable chance at detecting danger and making an escape.
Maybe it should be a mano e mano game. That would be fair and sporting. By the way, government drew those lines, not other hunters. You are advocating for more government without even realizing it.
No gov't didn't draw those lines, at least not here. NYDEC works with the conservation council, which is made up of hunters, landowners, farmers and insurance companies, on most hunting regulations. Hunters generally don't support what they consider to be to "unsportsmanlike" hunting methods/practices here, which is exactly the reason baiting, dogs and shooting from a motor vehicle are illegal. Farmers, insurance companies and DEC generally don't give a fuuck as long as sustainable harvest quota's and license sales are met. You should stick to things you know something about bicycle boy, like cute little spandex outfits perhaps.
Sorry bud, but if there is legal force to it, the government is responsible for it. People cannot make up laws independent of the government.
The hunting regulations are crafted cooperatively by DEC and the conservation council. Sorry to burst your bubble.
\ Enacted by government. Don't be embarrassed. There are several other government centrist types here.
Somebody needs to manage the game or there won't be any. Best to make the rules cooperatively.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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They are to busy perusing the Leupold website planning their purchases.
My next one is going to be a VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS
Since you brought up this scope I have question for you guys that are more knowledgeable about long range shooting than I am.
I have a Kimber 280AI that currently carries a Leupold VX3 that I have zero issues with. I would however like to put a dialed scope on it to increase my range. The two scopes I have looked at are the NF SHV 3-10x42 and the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 CDS. I do not reload and would be shooting Nosler 140grain Accubonds. Is it worth it or am I spinning my wheels? Any advice would be much appreciated.
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft, full auto belt feed and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
Isn’t the idea to harvest the animal you’re after? Out of state tags are spendy and personally I like eating elk, venison, antelope, etc. I hunt to feel my freezer. I really enjoy the experiences but I’m there to harvest an animal. If that’s not the case I might as well become a vegetarian...
I used to really need to fill the freezer to eat. That'll happen when you have six kids with big appetites for meat. Now that they're grown and gone and nobody's going to go hungry it's important to me HOW I hunt and kill, not just that I do.
Ryan Cleckner is on Fox News Tucker Carlson again.
There it is. Proof that Leupolds can hang with the big dogs. Forget that no one who competes will risk using one.
Aren't most all of the guys in your pics close combat specialist?
Nope.
Did you ever hunt with Markus Lutrell ? I saw him on a lot of hunting shows years back and then he disappeared all of the sudden. As I remember he was a sniper but I never saw anybody miss so many easy chip shots at game in my life. That really surprised me and made me wonder WTF is going on ?
It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something.
You are a chick, right?
Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational.
No but I don't live in denial of reality.
Fair enough, just having a bit of fun bustin ballz.
It is the Optic Forum.
I will agree you are good at that and have a good sense of humor to boot.
These biches is about to hug it out up in here.
I think JB and the dude with his pants down are past the hugging stage.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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They are to busy perusing the Leupold website planning their purchases.
My next one is going to be a VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS
Since you brought up this scope I have question for you guys that are more knowledgeable about long range shooting than I am.
I have a Kimber 280AI that currently carries a Leupold VX3 that I have zero issues with. I would however like to put a dialed scope on it to increase my range. The two scopes I have looked at are the NF SHV 3-10x42 and the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 CDS. I do not reload and would be shooting Nosler 140grain Accubonds. Is it worth it or am I spinning my wheels? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Personally, the NF 3-10 is a smidge on the low side for magnification, imo, where the VX5 @ 3-15 you might appreciate the extra power if you want to stretch your AI out farther.
Look at the NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 If you find yourself questioning Leupold tracking.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
😂😎
They are to busy perusing the Leupold website planning their purchases.
My next one is going to be a VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS
Since you brought up this scope I have question for you guys that are more knowledgeable about long range shooting than I am.
I have a Kimber 280AI that currently carries a Leupold VX3 that I have zero issues with. I would however like to put a dialed scope on it to increase my range. The two scopes I have looked at are the NF SHV 3-10x42 and the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 CDS. I do not reload and would be shooting Nosler 140grain Accubonds. Is it worth it or am I spinning my wheels? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Personally, the NF 3-10 is a smidge on the low side for magnification, imo, where the VX5 @ 3-15 you might appreciate the extra power if you want to stretch your AI out farther.
Look at the NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 If you find yourself questioning Leupold tracking.
Appreciate the feed back. I looked at the 4-14x50 as well and did notice it was 30 ounces compared to the Leupold 19 ounces. Can the weight really make that big of a difference on a gun like mine?
I have zero issues with Leupold tracking. I’ve killed everything I have [bleep] at with it and my only miss was user error...
Just hunt inside a high fence then. No chance to get away and obviously some still consider it sport.
One of the most difficult (from a mentally challenging standpoint) hunts I've done was in a relatively small high fence area for fallow deer in Argentina. I didn't see a deer for 4 days, with a guide. Finally on day 5 I got an opportunity on a smallish buck, roughly equivalent to a 2x2 whitetail. The easiest hunt? Ever been dumped out of a supercub a day in front of a migrating herd of caribou a hundred miles from any road, even on a DIY hunt? What about Alaskan moose (once you actually find one, that is)?
Just hunt inside a high fence then. No chance to get away and obviously some still consider it sport.
One of the most difficult (from a mentally challenging standpoint) hunts I've done was in a relatively small high fence area for fallow deer in Argentina. I didn't see a deer for 4 days, with a guide. Finally on day 5 I got an opportunity on a smallish buck, roughly equivalent to a 2x2 whitetail. The easiest hunt? Ever been dumped out of a supercub a day in front of a migrating herd of caribou a hundred miles from any road, even on a DIY hunt? What about Alaskan moose (once you actually find one, that is)?
"Fair chase" isn't always what it seems.
Obviously the fenced area was too big. We've got one here in NY I went and visited one time. Had about 30 acres fenced with a half dozen big bull elk inside and almost no cover. Could have shot any one of them from just about any point around the perimeter of the fence. Guy told me most of his clients were high rollers from NYC who pay a kings ransom just to shoot a big bull to hang on the wall and don't care how or where they do it. He called them over to the edge of the fence so my old lady could pet them.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
You know, when I was younger I thought I might like to go out west for elk and to Alaska for moose and brown bear. Later I realized I don't have the room for the mounts and I'm just addicted to hunting whitetails anyway. We've got black bears here too and the season is open concurrently with deer. I shot a medium sized one incidentally while deer hunting 30 years ago. Didn't care for the meat and regretted wasting deer hunting time getting it out of the woods and processing it. I've seen several others over the years, including one real bruiser and never shot another. I don't want anything taking time away from deer hunting.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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Hey Beave, What happened to Fred?
Freddy went out in a hail of bullets that he shot at Rick Bin and a few other sacred cows here. Within 3 days he unsuccessfully wore out 2 sock puppets.
He’s doing good. Working and getting ready for hunting.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
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Never been on a guided moose hunt, so can't give much of an opinion there boss. I've killed two shiras bulls on DIY hunts. Been along for a few others, including some of the Alaskan type. They're not at all hard to outsmart IME, once you find the darn things.
Just say no to Leupolds though...they don't mix with moose hunts.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
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Never been on a guided moose hunt, so can't give much of an opinion there boss. I've killed two shiras bulls on DIY hunts. Been along for a few others, including some of the Alaskan type. They're not at all hard to outsmart IME, once you find the darn things.
Just say no to Leupolds though...they don't mix with moose hunts.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
😎
Never been on a guided moose hunt, so can't give much of an opinion there boss. I've killed two shiras bulls on DIY hunts. Been along for a few others, including some of the Alaskan type. They're not at all hard to outsmart IME, once you find the darn things.
Just say no to Leupolds though...they don't mix with moose hunts.
That Shiras would do just fine. Marlin 45-70 or 444 Marlin? Sweet scope. Grins!
Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
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Hey Beave, What happened to Fred?
Freddy went out in a hail of bullets that he shot at Rick Bin and a few other sacred cows here. Within 3 days he unsuccessfully wore out 2 sock puppets.
He’s doing good. Working and getting ready for hunting.
High fences (small)? Hunting? Most partakers want to get fat, drunk, and leave with a nice office decoration and be back to work on Monday. They don't give a damn what you call it. Just my observation. Different strokes for different folks.
High fences (small)? Hunting? Most partakers want to get fat, drunk, and leave with a nice office decoration and be back to work on Monday. They don't give a damn what you call it. Just my observation. Different strokes for different folks.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
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Only time I’ve ever been skunked beave, a good outfitter will make it right as mine is, offering me a return trip for a song, which is rare in itself. Ever open the border up I’ll be goin to BC for a return trip and Alberta. Hopefully I’ll be buying a new freezer!! 😂😂
Ryan Cleckner is on Fox News Tucker Carlson again.
There it is. Proof that Leupolds can hang with the big dogs. Forget that no one who competes will risk using one.
Aren't most all of the guys in your pics close combat specialist?
Nope.
Did you ever hunt with Markus Lutrell ? I saw him on a lot of hunting shows years back and then he disappeared all of the sudden. As I remember he was a sniper but I never saw anybody miss so many easy chip shots at game in my life. That really surprised me and made me wonder WTF is going on ?
I saw Lutrell on two hunting shows. First show he was shooting a deer from a raised box. He connected on his first shot.
Next show he was on he missed his shot and then threw a temper tantrum.
Dang that’s pretty cool John, all those guys in your pictures have such similar taste in pistol grips, hand guards, risers, and other AR parts, It’s no wonder they have such similar taste in leupolds! And it’s no wonder you guys are all such good friends, with all that similar taste.
Dang that’s pretty cool John, all those guys in your pictures have such similar taste in pistol grips, hand guards, risers, and other AR parts, It’s no wonder they have such similar taste in leupolds! And it’s no wonder you guys are all such good friends, with all that similar taste.
Kyle and Ryan break it down a bit in this NSSF video.
You can fast forward to the 10:30 or so if you don't want to here about Leupold.
High fences (small)? Hunting? Most partakers want to get fat, drunk, and leave with a nice office decoration and be back to work on Monday. They don't give a damn what you call it. Just my observation. Different strokes for different folks.
Exactly right.
I've been told Tejas is crammed with these canned operations, and I have no doubt that's true. I also have no doubt the type of people who partake are just as described.
Some countries require a fence to make a hunt legal and those fenced areas can be bigger than a lot of SE Alaska islands that plenty of people hunt. Even if they're not that big, pressure can make the critters in them stupidly shy, just like public land whitetails that live within the same few hundres acres, hiding instead of running. I'll get off my soapbox now.
Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here.
What’s the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat.
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Only time I’ve ever been skunked beave, a good outfitter will make it right as mine is, offering me a return trip for a song, which is rare in itself. Ever open the border up I’ll be goin to BC for a return trip and Alberta. Hopefully I’ll be buying a new freezer!! 😂😂
I remember you telling me that. Good outfitters are worth twice the price of shady ones, just for the piece of mind. My Yukon griz hunt is being rolled to next year due to COVID and I thank the lord daily for booking with who I did, instead of wondering if I'd be crammed in the same camp with next year's hunters, or I'd have to pay next year's prices, etc. There's none of that.
Ya picked a shiit year he’s usually 100%, year I went only 1 bullwinkle was killed, other outfitters were same boat. Who ya book grizz with Ted? Mountain grizz horn me up, the beach bears don’t interest me
Ya picked a shiit year he’s usually 100%, year I went only 1 bullwinkle was killed, other outfitters were same boat. Who ya book grizz with Ted? Mountain grizz horn me up, the beach bears don’t interest me
I am in the same boat.
Inland Grizzlies just seem neater and Toklat coloring is added bonus.
Ya picked a shiit year he’s usually 100%, year I went only 1 bullwinkle was killed, other outfitters were same boat. Who ya book grizz with Ted? Mountain grizz horn me up, the beach bears don’t interest me
Widrig Outfitters out of Whitehorse.
I'll kill a coastal brownie some day, but while we're young enough going after the mountain and interior bears just seems "better".
The STA was a switch barrel gun I put together. Started with a first Gen Sendero in 7 STW, then added the STA barrel with the intent on going on a bear hunt at some time, and a third in a 375 H&H Ackley.
All are long gone now, with the last "big" gun in the house being a 338-06 Ackley, put together with the idea of doing an inland grizz hunt some day.
Sadly, I doubt that's going to happen, so have been contemplating on moving it too.
Probably have to take off the Leupold to move it though.....ha..ha.....
Ya picked a shiit year he’s usually 100%, year I went only 1 bullwinkle was killed, other outfitters were same boat. Who ya book grizz with Ted? Mountain grizz horn me up, the beach bears don’t interest me
I am in the same boat.
Inland Grizzlies just seem neater and Toklat coloring is added bonus.
Ya picked a shiit year he’s usually 100%, year I went only 1 bullwinkle was killed, other outfitters were same boat. Who ya book grizz with Ted? Mountain grizz horn me up, the beach bears don’t interest me
I am in the same boat.
Inland Grizzlies just seem neater and Toklat coloring is added bonus.
Just make sure Leupold is steering the bullets.
That’s a perty grizz John, what outfitter did you use? Thanks
Copy that, lookin at teds outfit, I’m thinkin mtn bou griz combo would be badass, grizz being #1 as I got a double shovel mtn bou already, plus Canadians are waaaaY cooler than Alaskans... 😂😂😂
Copy that, lookin at teds outfit, I’m thinkin mtn bou griz combo would be badass, grizz being #1 as I got a double shovel mtn bou already, plus Canadians are waaaaY cooler than Alaskans... 😂😂😂
That’s a helluva cool sounding hunt J-man, I believe that’s on my 5 meter target list as well.
Copy that, lookin at teds outfit, I’m thinkin mtn bou griz combo would be badass, grizz being #1 as I got a double shovel mtn bou already, plus Canadians are waaaaY cooler than Alaskans... 😂😂😂
That's exactly the booking I had for 2020, and Pointer's and I's mutual friend that we share has it booked for 2025 (I believe). I'm for sure concentrating on the bear, and will take the caribou secondary. He only offers that hunt to one person a year and it is usually booked 3-4 years in advance.
I was soooooo looking forward to it this year, but that's OK. That just means the bear I shoot will be one year older.
Outfitter I used for mtn caribou and moose in bc finally got allotted a grizz tag for his area, offered me a deal I couldn’t refuse so I said yes. That year they outlawed all grizzly hunts, damn the luck..
Ballpark average, what does a good Brown bear, Moose, and Interior Grizz hunt typically cost?
I know it's been going up exponentially, and I should have probably looked at doing them years ago instead of Africa. No doubt would have been easier on my wallet, not to mention physically easier at a younger age!
The outfit Teds booked with, $18,000 but ya get mtn caribou as well. Haven’t looked at brown bear hunts. Should be some great deals on Africa coming up, if a guys interested
I scratched my Africa itch already! Not much interest in returning. Moose or big ass Brownie piques my interest... the idea of cost gives me pause as I start to think what else I could do with the $$.
Copy that, bout the only thing that’s ever horned me up in Africa is a cape buff and leopard,if I’m gonna lay that kinda scratch down I’ll go Dall sheep, goat, grizz etc. guess I’m pretty happy killin bucks, always have been. My ol man still shakes his head, “ boy you always Loved that buck huntin”.
The outfit Teds booked with, $18,000 but ya get mtn caribou as well. Haven’t looked at brown bear hunts. Should be some great deals on Africa coming up, if a guys interested
He just raised his prices. I booked in Jan of 2018 at a $16,000 price tag. I knew I had to jump on it.
His price includes the plane ride to and from his main camp, which most other outfitters don't factor in. That's at least $1000 that you'd have to pay with other outfitters. Widrig is good shyt.
Mr Smith, because of DirtFarmers thread on his rebore pre 64 feather weight, I got mine in 243 out at first light this morning, been chasing my tail for damn near 6 hours, 2-7 leupold went bat chit crazy, grabbed a 900 year old 15lb steel tubed Weaver 4-12 AO, zeroed at 100, then fired an inch group with it's same old favorite load with 100gr partitions at 3K over H-1000 powder.
Leupold tactical? I couldn't even hang on to practical! I may just leave that beast of an old scope on that rifle, if leupold cant or wont fix this gloss 2-7 they can keep the damn thing, wont run a matte finish scope on an old pre-64 Winchester.
Gunner’s Leupold facing a firing squad by Glock for it’s failures, shortcomings, an insubordination to its owner.
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That's right Beav, look on black tape at 9:30 on the large diamond, first of three shots that scope threw into over 4 inches. the second target I had stapled on that morning clusterfu-k, that scope had me thinking I was going blind, fuzzy reticle after firing and working the power zoom knob, went to the house, grabbed another shipping box and that old Weaver, had my shooting box on the table that day, did all the work right there, yanked the bolt, got bore sighted at 25 yards on the new box, fired low shot at 100 on bottom right, let cool, fired three on bottom right, taped em up, let cool, fired last three on upper right diamond, Done!
LOL Vic, no 1911, but it is a 45 ACP, and hand loaded with 200gr Lehigh Penetrators, that load would kill a dozen with one shot if you had em tied together tight enough ; ]
Sure is Jud. I'll let him tell the tale and show the pics if he chooses. It ain't no dink that's for sure. Thanks Jud for keeping Burns off my ass. I've got a lung problem, two fake knees, and am almost 60 yrs old. It still wouldn't take me 15 seconds to knock the taste out of his mouth though. Good luck on your hunts Jud, looking forward to your pics as well.
Sure is Jud. I'll let him tell the tale and show the pics if he chooses. It ain't no dink that's for sure. Thanks Jud for keeping Burns off my ass. I've got a lung problem, two fake knees, and am almost 60 yrs old. It still wouldn't take me 15 seconds to knock the taste out of his mouth though. Good luck on your hunts Jud, looking forward to your pics as well.
Now wait a minute John, you have repeatedly ignored Clints question about why leupold isn’t used much by competitors on PRS style ranges. And your answer is always big dead critters. So Greg is out in the hills killing big critters and now it’s all about shooting ranges....I get that you are having a good time yanking chains, but why alienate some of the best shooters and hunters that hang out here? Whatever opportunity you have to share your long range shooting and hunting skills is being wasted with these games, and you can’t even keep your own rules straight.
Chill out, hang out, share your knowledge, and don’t try to bullshit the players. There’s some that don’t trust leupold anymore, and there’s some that do.
According to Burns, GregW is a dumbass. Rumor has it that Greg has been dumbassing his way around Utah with a muzzleloader...........TBC.
He is most probably a dumbazz but most assured is an EHG kizzazz.
Judman wants me to lay off you a bit but you sure make it hard.
Just Sayin.
Old Burnsie - still playing on the Internet when he should be out hunting.
Funny thing Burns is upon your return to 24HC after Big Stick ran you off, the first thing you shared with us mere mortals was the potential of Gunwerk's demise. Even funnier is when that didn't happen you got real quiet about that subject. It was cute.
I'd keep starting businesses and maybe one day if you make them stick you can be just like Gunwerks selling BS systems to folks who shouldn't be shooting anyways. Wait, isn't that what GreyBull did? Just keep working hard and you may get there one day.
PS - EHG is a cool cat. Sold a gun to him 15 or so years ago and haven't talked to him since.
PPS - you type more smiley faces than any woman I've ever known. It's chickish.
PPS - absolutely no Leupold scopes were used in this application.
Back to glassing, with of course nothing Leupold.....
Greg, very nice buck. I love those high country bucks. My boy (14) got a nice one in the Bob last week too. It fell about 500 ft though, and broke a fork off. He was about 50 yd s from a big Billy goat when we shot it. John is just an ankle biter. He has some good knkwledge, but is such an arrogant ass, that nobody really listens to him. Some people are just that way. Any way, nice buck. Congrats.
Greg, very nice buck. I love those high country bucks. My boy (14) got a nice one in the Bob last week too. It fell about 500 ft though, and broke a fork off. He was about 50 yd s from a big Billy goat when we shot it. John is just an ankle biter. He has some good knkwledge, but is such an arrogant ass, that nobody really listens to him. Some people are just that way. Any way, nice buck. Congrats.
Oh I know - grin....
Almost happened with this guy. One log stopped him or he would have slid a looong ways.
This is really getting side tracked but a lot don't realize what goes into a buck like that. First, its an easy tag and no other hunter has even been glassed up, a testimony to the difficulty and logistics behind hunting in that area. Many extended night trips from home to the hills for scouting. Several overnight trips beforehand stashing water, as there is none at these elevations. Thousands of feet elevation gain daily. No good rest unless you enjoy sleeping on a 45 on rocks. And when you do kill a buck, you are screwed LOL.
I'll save my money and go to Mexico, thank you very much.
According to Burns, GregW is a dumbass. Rumor has it that Greg has been dumbassing his way around Utah with a muzzleloader...........TBC.
He is most probably a dumbazz but most assured is an EHG kizzazz.
Judman wants me to lay off you a bit but you sure make it hard.
Just Sayin.
Old Burnsie - still playing on the Internet when he should be out hunting.
Funny thing Burns is upon your return to 24HC after Big Stick ran you off, the first thing you shared with us mere mortals was the potential of Gunwerk's demise. Even funnier is when that didn't happen you got real quiet about that subject. It was cute.
I'd keep starting businesses and maybe one day if you make them stick you can be just like Gunwerks selling BS systems to folks who shouldn't be shooting anyways. Wait, isn't that what GreyBull did? Just keep working hard and you may get there one day.
PS - EHG is a cool cat. Sold a gun to him 15 or so years ago and haven't talked to him since.
PPS - you type more smiley faces than any woman I've ever known. It's chickish.
PPS - absolutely no Leupold scopes were used in this application.
Back to glassing, with of course nothing Leupold.....
According to Burns, GregW is a dumbass. Rumor has it that Greg has been dumbassing his way around Utah with a muzzleloader...........TBC.
He is most probably a dumbazz but most assured is an EHG kizzazz.
Judman wants me to lay off you a bit but you sure make it hard.
Just Sayin.
Old Burnsie - still playing on the Internet when he should be out hunting.
Funny thing Burns is upon your return to 24HC after Big Stick ran you off, the first thing you shared with us mere mortals was the potential of Gunwerk's demise. Even funnier is when that didn't happen you got real quiet about that subject. It was cute.
I'd keep starting businesses and maybe one day if you make them stick you can be just like Gunwerks selling BS systems to folks who shouldn't be shooting anyways. Wait, isn't that what GreyBull did? Just keep working hard and you may get there one day.
PS - EHG is a cool cat. Sold a gun to him 15 or so years ago and haven't talked to him since.
PPS - you type more smiley faces than any woman I've ever known. It's chickish.
PPS - absolutely no Leupold scopes were used in this application.
Back to glassing, with of course nothing Leupold.....
Good lord almighty that’s a buck of a lifetime wow!!!
Now wait a minute John, you have repeatedly ignored Clints question about why leupold isn’t used much by competitors on PRS style ranges. And your answer is always big dead critters. So Greg is out in the hills killing big critters and now it’s all about shooting ranges....I get that you are having a good time yanking chains, but why alienate some of the best shooters and hunters that hang out here? Whatever opportunity you have to share your long range shooting and hunting skills is being wasted with these games, and you can’t even keep your own rules straight.
He can't help himself.
Regarding Leupos in PRS, some of the Mark 5 shooters have been doing really well with that scope. I don't follow PRS that closely, but over the past year, it seems like the Mark 5 has made a mark, pun intended.
Just a few of the shooters using the Mark 5 in PRS:
-Koenig won the 2019 Production division -Jon Pynch is currently ranked 7th -Morgun King is currently ranked 1st place
I quit buying Leupolds awhile ago, but all the feedback that I've gotten from people is that the Mark 5 is proving to be very reliable, durable, and repeatable. I've heard this from recreational shooters, a reputable vendor, and guys in the military. And none are Leupold fan boys, at all.
I heard one of the product development leaders state that they are turning things around at Leupo. He didn't outright state that the Mark 5 was the product of that transformation, but said change is slow there.
I think all of this is good news for those of us who might have stopped buying their scopes, but are looking to support them again.
That’s good to hear! I’m not completely opposed to buying leupold again, but it’ll be very cautiously if I do. I’ll go take a look at that mark 5 , thanks for the info.
That’s good to hear! I’m not completely opposed to buying leupold again, but it’ll be very cautiously if I do. I’ll go take a look at that mark 5 , thanks for the info.
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