Are they compatable with Picatinny rails? I know they ought to be, but have any of you tried them? Don't have a set here right now to check.
I know I could go with the XTR's, but would like something lighter and sleeker.
The cross-slot of the rings is sized "Weaver."
Which, as you probably know will fit a Picatinny rail - but with a little slop.
I called Burris and asked the exact same question. I wanted to use the Zee Rings in conjuction with Burris Two Piece Extreme Bases. The bases are cut Picatinny. The Burris tech said yes. No problem with the combination.
I currently have 30mm Zee Rings mated with Burris Two Piece Extreme Bases on two rifles; a Heavy Barrel 223 and a sporter weight 30-06. Both work fine. I torque both rings and bases to factory specs. No slippage - no ring bite - no lapping.
I have used this combination on several set ups - mounting 30mm scopes that weight up to 26 ozs. No issues.
The last two sets of 30mm Zee Rings I purcashed came from SWFA at a substantial savings @ 49.99 each. That was $20 cheaper (per set) than any other source I could find online.
Hope this helps,
GB
Thank you GB, that is what I thought, but confirmation is good.
Actually, the Burris Zee rings are cut for picatinny.
They might be too tight to go on a Weaver.
You can carefully open them a bit w a screwdriver as a lever in the slot that allows for flex.
Note: Weaver bases can vary a bit too.
So once fitted a Burris Zee may still need tweaked open if used on a diff Weaver base.
I have run reg and sig Burris Zee on pic rails and Weaver bases. Decades. Dozens of sets.
Actually, the Burris Zee rings are cut for picatinny.
They might be too tight to go on a Weaver.
You can carefully open them a bit w a screwdriver as a lever in the slot that allows for flex.
Note: Weaver bases can vary a bit too.
So once fitted a Burris Zee may still need tweaked open if used on a diff Weaver base.
Incorrect. Standard Burris Zee rings as well as the Signature Zee rings are in fact cut for weaver.
Burris does make Signature Rings that are cut Picatinny - but - the standard Zee and Signature Zee rings are Weaver.
You may call Burris to confirm if you wish.
IIRC my zee ring packaging says they are for a Pic rail and there is no distinction between rings for Weaver or Pic on their site.
Picatinny is actually " weaver style " which is a common name for crossbolt ring.
Doesn't mean its cut for specific weaver dim.
They are made for pic dim, and usage on a Weaver often means prying them open a bit.
Hell i did two new sets of Signature Zees on Weaver bases this past month. Had to pry em open some.
IIRC my zee ring packaging says they are for a Pic rail and there is no distinction between rings for Weaver or Pic on their site.
Website specifically says "Weaver-style." For the Zee Rings and Signature Zee Rings.
The XTR Signature are cut Picatinny.
https://www.burrisoptics.com/mounting-systems/rings/xtr-signature-rings.Not trying to start a war. But the above links are straight from the manufacturer's website. Follow the links - they make a clear distinction which are Picatinny and which are Weaver-Style.
As I stated in my first reply - I called Burris and got the conformation straight from their tech.
No big deal
The Zees will work on either Pic or Weaver base.
Kinda common knowledge, if used on a Weaver youll have to open em a bit.
Had to tell more than one customer that ( when they came in wondering wtf was wrong ).
Yeah the XTR is for pic.
So are reg Zees.
But for Weaver usage you might have to pry em open.
The XTR ring has an adjustable separate piece clamp.
The Zee ring clamps are integral.
My guess is the XTR ring also has a big tab as a recoil stop and may not work w Weaver bases.
The smaller round crossbolt of the Zee ring works well w the non Pic dim slots of a Weaver base. Not all Weaver bases have a bearing surface in middle of slot. Some are edge only.
Picatinny is actually " weaver style " which is a common name for crossbolt ring.
Doesn't mean its cut for specific weaver dim.
They are made for pic dim, and usage on a Weaver often means prying them open a bit.
Hell i did two new sets of Signature Zees on Weaver bases this past month. Had to pry em open some.
Incorrect. Picatinny and Weaver-Style are not synonymous.
The Picatinny cut was standardized by the military in the 1990s. The cut is more square than the weaver-cut and deeper than the weaver-cut. The spacing between the slots of a Picatinny base is also different from the weaver-style spacing.
Because of this, the general rule of thumb is weaver-style cross slot rings will work with Picatinny bases....but not vise versa. Picatanny cross slot rings are too wide for weaver-style bases.
The reason you had to pry your zee rings open some is because of the way they are designed. They are designed to be held on by the friction of the
sides of the ring. That is why there is a cut on one side - the screw head side - of the ring. As you tighten the ring, that side of the ring squzees against the base and is held by friction.
The lug is used to prevent foward movment during recoil. That is why you push the ring foward before tightening them down.
You do not have to "pry them open a bit" if you align the base and ring together during installation. They are machined to a close tolerance for a reason.
No chit weaver and pic arent the same.
Thrre isnt much grip on either, hence the need for rhe recoil stop.
A zee ring will work on pic or weaver style.
Since pic rings specific have the square tab for the square slot, they proly wont fit most Weaver style bases.
I have run Burris sig and standard Zee rings on Weaver brand bases for 30 yrs and have had to open damn near all of them ( maybe all ) Read: no fuggin way theyd slide on otherwise.
And IIRC the literature w the rings explains that on non Pic rails thats what you might have to do.
Memory hazy but on my Recknagle pic rail I think my Zees slid right on.
Two new sets on 2 new Weaver rails for Contender ( 1 pc base ) and they had to be opened slightly. No go otherwis
Had to open my first set for a 700, 2 pc bases, back in the 90s.
Crossbolt slop is no big deal, since whatever one runs it needs crowded to bear against fwd edge of slot.
The clamping power alone is not enough to maintain position.
What Im talking about is the clamp width of the Burris zee rings.
They are sized for a Pic rail and need opened for a Weaver.
As dozens have proven to me over the years
And IIRC the literature w the Zee rings says ( used to say ) they are sized for Pic rail and may need opened for Weaver.
Hell they used to come w ring paper too ( if one actually opened the blister pack and the cardboard insert to read the instructions. LOL
I have been running Zee Rings for almost as long as you...20+ years. For all but 5 of those years, I ran them on Leupold "Weaver" bases. They were/are a perfect fit.
I've had dozens of that combination - and I have never had to pry them open. And, when I use the Zee Ring - which is a Weaver cut ring - I did not have to spread them open when I paired them with the Burris Extreme two-piece base - which by the way, is a Picatinny cut.
I also remember when friction paper was shipped with the standard Zee Rings. And, I don't have to depend on my memory.
I have two empty packages from the last two sest of Signature Zee rings I used. I have them in my hand.
I am reading the installation instructions as I type:
Step 4. Slide the rings onto the base and align the screw holes to the Weaver-style or Picatinny cross slots which you feel will position the scope best for support and eye relief. Adjust to different slots if needed.
No where in the installation instructions does it say "pry the ring to fit."
The installation instructions I am reading are for Burris 30mm SIGNATURE ZEE RINGS. Burris Part # 420588.
I can only offer you the respect to agree to disagree. I answered the original post correctly. A simple call to Burris will confirm...if needed.
You and I have reached the point where we agree with what each of us are saying for the most part. The rest...are moot points. I would wager that if the two of us were to sit together over a glass of Coke and each of us mount a scope side by side - we would probably come very close to doing it the exact same way.
Respectfully
GB
Are they compatable with Picatinny rails? I know they ought to be, but have any of you tried them? Don't have a set here right now to check.
I know I could go with the XTR's, but would like something lighter and sleeker.
While GeorgiaBoy and hookeye are having a pissing contest let me just say that I have used them on both picatinny rails and weaver bases, my favorite rings..........love the offset inserts although they take a bit longer to install properly
Are they compatable with Picatinny rails? I know they ought to be, but have any of you tried them? Don't have a set here right now to check.
I know I could go with the XTR's, but would like something lighter and sleeker.
While GeorgiaBoy and hookeye are having a pissing contest let me just say that I have used them on both picatinny rails and weaver bases, my favorite rings..........love the offset inserts although they take a bit longer to install properly
Dispite your banal comment, the OP has another conformation. I am a big fan of the Signature ZEE Rings as well.
The only difference between Weaver and a Picatinny rail is the slot size. Weaver is smaller, so a ring with a picatinny sized crossbolt won't fit. Weaver fits both.
Just scoot the weaver ring to the front of the slot before tightening. I have several "zee" and "xtr" . The zee is available lower than the xtr.
I had a bitch of a time getting Burris Zee rings on to my EGW Picatinny rail. I ordered a set of Vortex rings and solved the problem.
RR,
Interesting, these will go on an EGW rail, I guess I'll find out.
Thanks again to all.
I have had to wedge Zee rings open a bit to get them on the rail many times. Easily accomplished with a screw driver.
It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either.
The fact that I had to do that simple act does not diminish my desire to take advantage of the features these rings offer one bit.
I have had to wedge Zee rings open a bit to get them on the rail many times. Easily accomplished with a screw driver.
It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either.
The fact that I had to do that simple act does not diminish my desire to take advantage of the features these rings offer one bit.
One does not call the manufacturer for help because he/she in not a "rocket surgeon".
"Rocket Surgeon"?? What is that anyway? Are you a "rocket surgeon"? Do you preform surgery on rockets? Is that why you are so smart?? Or does being a rocket surgeon just make you a smart azz?
Back on topic. One calls tech support to make sure a combination is going to work "before" you order your components and break open the packaging. Having to return components is frustrating and return shiping is costly in both time and wasted money.
I called to confirm two things:
1. The combination would work together.
2. I wanted to make sure that my ring/base combination would give me the scope/barrel clearance I desired.
I chose Med. Height rings because I like my scope mounted low - as close to the barell as possible - with just enough clearance to allow me to install Butter Creek Flip-up Covers with a small gap between.
It took the tech all of 3 miniutes to comfirm that I had the right base and the correct ring height for my scope. I ordered the scope, the rings, the bases, and the flip-up covers all at the same time. When they arrived,
everthing fit perfitly....
exactly as I hoped for.I'm sure that even a "rocket surgeon" would admit that getting it right the first time is better than trial and error. Now.....
blast off azz hole.
burris signature zee rings are my goto and yes i've had to "pry" most sets installed on weaver rails just a bit or they were a nogo. just my experience.
Big Ed
I have had to wedge Zee rings open a bit to get them on the rail many times. Easily accomplished with a screw driver.
It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either.
The fact that I had to do that simple act does not diminish my desire to take advantage of the features these rings offer one bit.
One does not call the manufacturer for help because he/she in not a "rocket surgeon".
"Rocket Surgeon"?? What is that anyway? Are you a "rocket surgeon"? Do you preform surgery on rockets? Is that why you are so smart?? Or does being a rocket surgeon just make you a smart azz?
Back on topic. One calls tech support to make sure a combination is going to work "before" you order your components and break open the packaging. Having to return components is frustrating and return shiping is costly in both time and wasted money.
I called to confirm two things:
1. The combination would work together.
2. I wanted to make sure that my ring/base combination would give me the scope/barrel clearance I desired.
I chose Med. Height rings because I like my scope mounted low - as close to the barell as possible - with just enough clearance to allow me to install Butter Creek Flip-up Covers with a small gap between.
It took the tech all of 3 miniutes to comfirm that I had the right base and the correct ring height for my scope. I ordered the scope, the rings, the bases, and the flip-up covers all at the same time. When they arrived,
everthing fit perfitly....
exactly as I hoped for.I'm sure that even a "rocket surgeon" would admit that getting it right the first time is better than trial and error. Now.....
blast off azz hole.
Hopefully they preform (sic) as expected.
I have had to wedge Zee rings open a bit to get them on the rail many times. Easily accomplished with a screw driver.
It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either.
The fact that I had to do that simple act does not diminish my desire to take advantage of the features these rings offer one bit.
One does not call the manufacturer for help because he/she in not a "rocket surgeon".
"Rocket Surgeon"?? What is that anyway? Are you a "rocket surgeon"? Do you preform surgery on rockets? Is that why you are so smart?? Or does being a rocket surgeon just make you a smart azz?
Back on topic. One calls tech support to make sure a combination is going to work "before" you order your components and break open the packaging. Having to return components is frustrating and return shiping is costly in both time and wasted money.
I called to confirm two things:
1. The combination would work together.
2. I wanted to make sure that my ring/base combination would give me the scope/barrel clearance I desired.
I chose Med. Height rings because I like my scope mounted low - as close to the barell as possible - with just enough clearance to allow me to install Butter Creek Flip-up Covers with a small gap between.
It took the tech all of 3 miniutes to comfirm that I had the right base and the correct ring height for my scope. I ordered the scope, the rings, the bases, and the flip-up covers all at the same time. When they arrived,
everthing fit perfitly....
exactly as I hoped for.I'm sure that even a "rocket surgeon" would admit that getting it right the first time is better than trial and error. Now.....
blast off azz hole.
Hopefully they preform (sic) as expected.
I hope so too.
I can see that you and I have been on the fire about the same length of time.
In the past, it usually took about 25 replies before egos set in and the original topic got siderailed.
In the past several years, topics go South pretty quick. That's what happened with this thread...and for my part...I offer my appoligies to the OP.
I hope Son of the Gael got the information he needed.
Love Burris rings. What I learned is that I'm going to stick with dual dovetails. All this pic/weaver stuff is too complicated.
I have had to wedge Zee rings open a bit to get them on the rail many times. Easily accomplished with a screw driver.
It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either.
The fact that I had to do that simple act does not diminish my desire to take advantage of the features these rings offer one bit.
One does not call the manufacturer for help because he/she in not a "rocket surgeon".
"Rocket Surgeon"?? What is that anyway? Are you a "rocket surgeon"? Do you preform surgery on rockets? Is that why you are so smart?? Or does being a rocket surgeon just make you a smart azz?
Back on topic. One calls tech support to make sure a combination is going to work "before" you order your components and break open the packaging. Having to return components is frustrating and return shiping is costly in both time and wasted money.
I called to confirm two things:
1. The combination would work together.
2. I wanted to make sure that my ring/base combination would give me the scope/barrel clearance I desired.
I chose Med. Height rings because I like my scope mounted low - as close to the barell as possible - with just enough clearance to allow me to install Butter Creek Flip-up Covers with a small gap between.
It took the tech all of 3 miniutes to comfirm that I had the right base and the correct ring height for my scope. I ordered the scope, the rings, the bases, and the flip-up covers all at the same time. When they arrived,
everthing fit perfitly....
exactly as I hoped for.I'm sure that even a "rocket surgeon" would admit that getting it right the first time is better than trial and error. Now.....
blast off azz hole.
You never once mentioned having a problem with sliding the rings on the base. Not sure why you got sideways as this didn't even pertain to you.
But many in the RC links did and lit the wires up with emails and calls to Burris about burrs and tolerances and whatnot.
I described my experiences and how to address the issue of the ring that may slide (or may not?) on a Picatinny rail but not a Weaver style for the OP.
And it doesn't sound like I'm the only one that figured this out, as several other posters have had the same problem, and solved it the same way.
Doing this may save in time, frustration, and returns, etc.
Blast off azzhole? And you wonder how threads get derailed. Wow.
Just installed a set on an EGW rail. Lightly opened the clamp with flathead, slid rings on, and cranked them down. Not a big deal 🙄
Had many a customer complain about Zee rings not fitting Weaver bases out of the package.
Some were cool w the explanation of possibly needing a tweak. Some were not.
Good rings, no big deal.
Only real b*tch from me is they aint made in USA no mo.
Only seen one bad machined Zee ring and it was an old USA made one. Also saw a mismachined Ruger ring
and a Weaver base.
Out of a LOT of scope installs
I check everything w a rod before ever placing a scope.
The bad rings were found out after people brought rigs in with issues ( installed themselves ).
Scopes worked for a while, before taking a chit. That was pretty amazing considering the misalignment
Since Pic rails are machined and Weaver are from extrusions.....maybe pic rails observe tighter tolerances and make for less tweak of Zee rings.
Those EGW rails are all too long in my opinion, so if someone is stumped by installing a Zee ring, they are going to really be stumped cutting the EGW rail to fit, haha
Leupold makes a one-piece rail that does not extend foward of the face of the receiver. It is their "Back Country Line". The issue is, and I think the OP may have alluded to this, is how high will the dottom of the ring be from the top of the receiver with the rings mounted.
When I was pairing my rings and bases together, the EGW Heavy Duty Rail was the lowest...lower than their standard duty base.
Ok "rocket surgeon."
If you followed the whole thread, you would have seen where reference was made to info being in the literature (instructions) that was not there. And links to information striaght from the manucturer were provided to make design features clear. This was all done to help the OP follow the leads to help him make an intelligent decision about his planned purchase.
It was this condesending comment: "It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either." That earned you the title of azz hole.
But, you do like the rings as do I and all that replied. That is the take away. The Signature ZEE Ring is my go to ring as well.
Since Pic rails are machined and Weaver are from extrusions.....maybe pic rails observe tighter tolerances and make for less tweak of Zee rings.
Here is the probem hookeye. You give your opinion without detail...and you expect it to be taken as fact.
Do a search for the following product...the Leupold Quick Release Weaver Style Two Piece Base. Optics Planet has a pretty clear description/spec sheet.
Leupold Quick Release Weaver Style Two Piece Base, Remington 700, Matte Black 49841
I provided you the model # for Remington 700 actions - but the action does not matter - the construction of the base is the same.
The bases are steel - and they are machined to close tolerances.
Weaver Bases manufactured by Weaver may be extruded alu. But not all bases manufactured with a Weaver-Style Cross Slot are manufactured by Weaver.
The Leupold bases I referenced have the Weaver Cross-Slot cut AND everyone that I have used matted with the ZEE Ring perfectly. If some have had to tweek them to fit, so be it, not a problem, I have not, no big deal.
We all have opinions and we all have diverise experiances. But not all opinions are correct. Including yours!
You come off as the oracal of exact information. I have provided you links, product instructions/descriptions/specifications, etcetera to show that you are not.
I doubt you will admitt that do not hold the total sum of all knowledge of all things related to scope mounting products and proceedures.
But when you give your opinion - at least acknowledge - an opinion is ALL it is.
GB
Love Burris rings. What I learned is that I'm going to stick with dual dovetails. All this pic/weaver stuff is too complicated.
It really is not complicated at all, I also have the signature dual dovetail on several rifles but prefer the signature Zee rings when possible. ignore the ongoing pissing contest and try some.........you don't like them PM me and I'LL buy them from you
Love Burris rings. What I learned is that I'm going to stick with dual dovetails. All this pic/weaver stuff is too complicated.
It really is not complicated at all, I also have the signature dual dovetail on several rifles but prefer the signature Zee rings when possible. ignore the ongoing pissing contest and try some.........you don't like them PM me and I'LL buy them from you
Lighten up Francis, I was joking.
Ok "rocket surgeon."
If you followed the whole thread, you would have seen where reference was made to info being in the literature (instructions) that was not there. And links to information striaght from the manucturer were provided to make design features clear. This was all done to help the OP follow the leads to help him make an intelligent decision about his planned purchase.
It was this condesending comment: "It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either." That earned you the title of azz hole.
But, you do like the rings as do I and all that replied. That is the take away. The Signature ZEE Ring is my go to ring as well.
If YOU followed the whole thread, dipshidt, and actually read the links that hookeye provided, on Rimfire Central, (that is the RC in my post) you might have a clue as to what i was talking about. Instead you think everything is about YOU!
The only person that is condesending and confrontational in this thread is YOU both to hookeye and myself.
Did you miss your nappy time and pissed at the world today?
You sound exactly like that Elkslayer character, spewing a load of crap and having to get the last word in every time to justify your waste of oxygen.
So much so I am sure you guys are one and the same, sock puppets!
Take a Valium, do a couple shots, chill out and GFY you POS name calling low life.
OK last word guy, have at it. It's all about you.
My apologies OP, hope you can get some helpful info out of your post, in spite of this guy.
The lowest Signature Zee ring is medium.
It is slightly higher than regular Zee medium.
Weaver bases can be of lower profile, compared to Pic rails.
Ran a set of Sig Med on my Steyr w pic rail and it was too high ( usable but not what I wanted ).
Regular Zee lows made it mo betta.
Checked everything before dropping a VX3I in em.
Mounted it all up, torqued to spec, then took apart
No ring marks.
Prefer rhe signature system, but too tall for this app.
Depends on your goal. Most of my rifles wear a 20 moa rail, and often I'll run the Signature inserts to add even more minutes. Hate to leave free minutes of elevation sitting on the table. Obviously if not shooting at extended ranges you don't need it.
Ok "rocket surgeon."
If you followed the whole thread, you would have seen where reference was made to info being in the literature (instructions) that was not there. And links to information striaght from the manucturer were provided to make design features clear. This was all done to help the OP follow the leads to help him make an intelligent decision about his planned purchase.
It was this condesending comment: "It didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out and I didn't have to call Burris for help and instructions either." That earned you the title of azz hole.
But, you do like the rings as do I and all that replied. That is the take away. The Signature ZEE Ring is my go to ring as well.
The only person that is condesending and confrontational in this thread is YOU both to hookeye and myself.
Did you miss your nappy time and pissed at the world today?
You sound exactly like that Elkslayer character, spewing a load of crap and having to get the last word in every time to justify your waste of oxygen.
So much so I am sure you guys are one and the same, sock puppets!
Take a Valium, do a couple shots, chill out and GFY you POS name calling low life.
OK last word guy, have at it. It's all about you.
My apologies OP, hope you can get some helpful info out of your post, in spite of this guy.
I did read the links provided by all "rocket surgeon". And now you know who is going by what name...Elkslayer?
Take a Valium, do a couple shots, chill out and GFY you POS name calling low life.
Right back at you.
The Signature ZEE rings are a great way to go, whither you have to tweek them or not.
Disclaimer: Just an opinion.
RR,
Interesting, these will go on an EGW rail, I guess I'll find out.
Thanks again to all.
I measured the width of my Burris EXTREME Picatinny 2-Piece Bases. They measure .8230 and .8225 at the widest point. The ZEE Rings fit perfect with this width. Don't know the width of your EGW rail - but I'm sure it is very close.
Hope the measurement helps. I'd be interested to know how the rings worked with the EGW base. I will be rescoping my 223 in the near furture. Would be nice to have confirmed options.
GB
Did you miss your nappy time and pissed at the world today?
To answer your question, No. I did not miss my nappy time and I am not pissed at the world.
It's this site. I stepped away from the site for a couple of years because of all the drama...and in 2019 I had three brain surgeries followed by seven weeks of radiation.
I thought my shooting days were over and the site only reminded me of that possibility.
I always tried my best to
not get caught up in the drama. I never felt the need to be right. I was always able to sift through all the nonesense and find something of value. And, I NEVER resorted to name calling.
I've been back now for just a few weeks...and I find myself engaged in the very thing that drove me away...I am now a part of the drama.
To the OP, to all envolved in this thread...and especially to you WYcoyote...I am ashamed of my conduct.
Please accept my sincere apology.GB
RR,
Interesting, these will go on an EGW rail, I guess I'll find out.
Thanks again to all.
I measured the width of my Burris EXTREME Picatinny 2-Piece Bases. They measure .8230 and .8225 at the widest point. The ZEE Rings fit perfect with this width. Don't know the width of your EGW rail - but I'm sure it is very close.
Hope the measurement helps. I'd be interested to know how the rings worked with the EGW base. I will be rescoping my 223 in the near furture. Would be nice to have confirmed options.
GB
The spec for picatinny rail width is 0.830"-0.835". I'm sure many mounts sold as "picatinny" do not measure as needed to meet the spec.
RR,
Interesting, these will go on an EGW rail, I guess I'll find out.
Thanks again to all.
I measured the width of my Burris EXTREME Picatinny 2-Piece Bases. They measure .8230 and .8225 at the widest point. The ZEE Rings fit perfect with this width. Don't know the width of your EGW rail - but I'm sure it is very close.
Hope the measurement helps. I'd be interested to know how the rings worked with the EGW base. I will be rescoping my 223 in the near furture. Would be nice to have confirmed options.
GB
The spec for picatinny rail width is 0.830"-0.835". I'm sure many mounts sold as "picatinny" do not measure as needed to meet the spec.
Thanks for the clarification. I was trying to take my measurements around a mounted scope. It is possible that they are off by that much.
Did you miss your nappy time and pissed at the world today?
To answer your question, No. I did not miss my nappy time and I am not pissed at the world.
It's this site. I stepped away from the site for a couple of years because of all the drama...and in 2019 I had three brain surgeries followed by seven weeks of radiation.
I thought my shooting days were over and the site only reminded me of that possibility.
I always tried my best to
not get caught up in the drama. I never felt the need to be right. I was always able to sift through all the nonesense and find something of value. And, I NEVER resorted to name calling.
I've been back now for just a few weeks...and I find myself engaged in the very thing that drove me away...I am now a part of the drama.
To the OP, to all envolved in this thread...and especially to you WYcoyote...I am ashamed of my conduct.
Please accept my sincere apology.GB
GB, I also apologize for letting emotion get the best of me. I should have never let that happen.
And very sorry to hear about your health problems. Best of luck getting them put behind you and getting to do the things that you enjoy.
I, like you, am a fan of these rings, and these are the reasons why I am,
They have never left a ring mark on any scope I have mounted with them.
You can use different sizes of inserts to gain elevation travel for your scope, very much like using an offset rail, do this in the amount desired, and adjust as needed.
A good feature for the longer range shooters.
Also one can use the offset inserts to solve left or right alignment problems such as running out of adjustment on your scope from incorrectly drilled base holes on the receiver, or a barrel not squared with the action.
Even if you are not completely out of adjustment you can center things up so the turret has close to the same amount of windage travel for both left and right wind calls. Always a good thing to be close to the scope's optical center.
This is a trick I use on heavy recoiling rifles to help your scope from slipping in the inserts. When installing the rings, rough up the slick part of the nylon insert that contacts the scope with emery cloth. Take the shine off of it. I also dust this up with a bit of rosin powder. I did have a scope slide a little on my 300 WM, and doing this eliminated the problem. I now do it to all my rifles using the rings, just because I can. YMMV.
WYcoyote,
Thank you for your gracious reply.
I like these rings for the same reasons you stated.
Your last paragraph was something I had not thought of. Good info.
GB
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This is a trick I use on heavy recoiling rifles to help your scope from slipping in the inserts. When installing the rings, rough up the slick part of the nylon insert that contacts the scope with emery cloth. Take the shine off of it. I also dust this up with a bit of rosin powder. I did have a scope slide a little on my 300 WM, and doing this eliminated the problem. I now do it to all my rifles using the rings, just because I can. YMMV.
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That is a great trick been using it for a few minutes myself LOL
I also mark the edge of the rings on a newly mounted scope with a pencil I can check that the scope doesn't move really easily,,, after I used them on a Weatherby 30-378 I figured they would hold on just about anything
i have seen that on new manufacture sig zee rings i've not had to "open em up" near as often and sometimes slipping right on the weaver base.
Big Ed
I love the term "rocket surgeon" or "rocket surgery." I use the latter as an aphorism quite frequently. I think the concept of mixing metaphors in aphorisms denotes an uncommon level of sophistication in humor. Of course, not everyone gets it and then confusion reigns. Another one of my favorite mixed-methaphor aphorisms is "we'll burn that bridge when we get to it."
I love the Burris Zee Signature rings , and I have been using them for decades. More recently I have had a marked preference for the XTR versions of these rings; the XTR Signature Rings. The 34mm version, which I most frequently use, are made in the USA. On my match F-TR rifle, I use the 34mm XTR Signature Rings 1.5inch high in combination with a 20MOA ramp to have my riflescope very close to optical dead center at 1000 yards, the distance at which I compete most frequently. The finish on my expensive scope is safe and since I send thousands of bullets downrange every year, I like to have no movement of my scope.
I use these on my 99’s with the Weaver bases. They are tight on some bases, not as tight on others. I’ve had to use the offset inserts on two 99’s. I use Talley bases and rings on my bolt guns, but wouldn’t be afraid to use the signature Zee rings on them.
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As a follow-up, the rings arrived today and I mounted them without any drama. Removed the cross screws and slid them on from the ends, didn't have to open the clamps up.
Didn't try them on Weaver bases, have used them before and worked perfectly.
Thanks again to you all.