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Posted By: DMB Swarovski 7x42 SLC's, A Class Act - 08/22/07
The pair of Swarovski 7x42 SLC's I ordered from Cameraland arrived on Monday afternoon. It was raining then, so I didn't get out with them till yesterday.
I took two other pairs of binox along to compare, the 6.5x32 Minox and a pair of Zeiss 8x Classics.

I went to our rifle range and was fortunate to find no one else there. I sat at a bench looking at our 50 and 100 yard targets, as well as all of the surrounding trees. The range is totally surrounded by trees and brush. Alternating back and forth between the three sets on binox, I got a good feel for each one in comparison. I mostly looked at "things" at the 100 yard line and beyond. Our range only goes to 100. Since the leaves are still on the trees, I spent much time just observing leaves and tree branches, bending in the wind. The target backstop provided details too for comparing the three binox. The details provide the clues as to which binox delivers the best picture. All three will allow you see game animals; how well you see them is a different matter. While getting accustomed to each, I viewed all three out to the edges of their fields of view. Both the Minox and the Zeiss had some edge distortion , a slight band of waves circling the borders. The Swaro was perfectly clear all the way to the edge. And, the Swaro has a larger field of view which made them more user friendly. The one thing that stood out while doing the general viewing was the color rendition was better with the Zeiss and Swaro than the Minox, not to be unexpected with a $200 pair of binox compared to ones costing three to six times more money. There was target splatter on the backstop at the 100 line. This small target splatter showed up clearly, with detail, using the Swaro, and the Zeiss did well too. The Minox didn't show the detail like the other two did.

There were some dead pine limbs out about 75 yards, hanging high up in a tree along the edge of the range, with another dead pine limb behind about 25 yards further out. The needles were still on the dead limbs and they had died, turning to a pretty rust color. With the Swaro, the brilliant rust color jumped out, along with being able to clearly see the one 25 yards behind, with the depth perception not delivered by the Zeiss or the Minox. I could actually see into the space between the two dead limbs with the Swaro. The Zeiss showed a good picture, and I could see the dead limb behind, but I didn't get the depth perception I got with the Swaro. The Swaro has magnificent color rendition, better that the Zeiss, which isn't bad at all. With The Minox 6.5's, I could see both dead branches, but couldn't get into the space between the branches. It was a flat picture, with no depth of view, and the colors were subdued.

The Minox 6.5's are ok, but not in the same league with the other two. They don't deliver that crystal clear, brilliant image the others deliver.
The Zeiss was close to the Swaro, but no cigar. There is a depth of view, along with a magnificent, brilliant image that the Swaro's provide that the Zeiss came close to, but did not quite achieve. With the Swaro's there was the ability to view in three dimensions that differentiated them for the two. Again, the Zeiss was close, but not equal to the Swaro's, while the Minox delivered a flat picture, relatively speaking.

Weight of the Swaro, however, is higher than the other two, and those other two are better for long distance carrying. The Swaro weighs 33.5 oz and the others weigh 20 oz nominally. Knowing the weight of the Swaro's when placing the order, I ordered a wider carrying strap than the OEM strap that comes with the unit. That will distribute the weight over a larger area of the neck making them less tiring to carry.

Hands down, the Swaro delivers the image. The image jumps out at you, in full bloom, in three dimension.

Beyond the viewing clarity, the ease of use goes to the Swaro. They are just easy on the eyes; no eye strain at all, none, compared to the other two. I felt like I could look through them for hours without getting tired of the view. The other two were harder to hold steady too, given their lighter weight. And, the sweet spot of the Swaro was much larger than the Zeiss and Minox, adding to the Swaro's ease of use..

I did all viewing without glasses, using my newly installed eye lenses..
Diopter setting were close to zero on all three binox, just slightly negative on each, so my new eye lenses are close to each other. I do have slight astigmatism in my left eye, which no doubt caused the small diopter correction.

Don



I have swaros too, they built their reputation with the "birders" so you know their binos are good. they are the best I have used.
Don-I've been running the 7x42 SLC's since about the time they hit our market.

The only glass I've found close to them is the 7 or 8x42 Ultravids.

Dober
Really good glass makes things "JUMP" out. Only times I have witnessed that was with the big three and Nikon LX.
If a guy doesn't want to buy (pay) for big time good glass don't use them for a second. whistle cry
Dave
I can't tell you how many times I had clients with me and when they found out I was using 7's they were dismayed.

For about the first 30 minutes that is. Then they kept wanting to give a look see thru my glass....grins

Dober
I'd been kind of reluctant to get good binox because I knew I'd be hooked.. Now I'm hooked.. grin
Originally Posted by DMB
I'd been kind of reluctant to get good binox because I knew I'd be hooked.. Now I'm hooked.. grin


LOL.... me too! Hell of an affliction in our old age eh Don?

Best!

--Bob
I have to agree with everything you said, the swaro slc in 7x42 is unbelievable. The weight isnt bad for me and I like the ergonomics. I agree on the wide sweet spot, depth of field and lack of eye strain. Optically, all I could ask for....
These are hunting binoculars plain and simple
I give these the "worth it" stamp of approval
A quality 7x42 will give the most mind-blowing image of most any bin from a given mfg... were I to carry a full sized bin it would be a 7x42 and no other. Mine would be the 7x42 Ultravid. Not only does the 7x42 have a full 6mm exit pupil to bathe the human eye with as much light as it can physically deal with, but it also has fewer glass elements than the 8x42 and, especially, 10x40/42 bins which allows greater light transmission.

Absolutely agree on the 7 x 42. Mine is the Victory FL T* from Doug. You won't go back to 8x after owning a pair. My guide had the new 7 x 42 SLC's too and we could not seperate them but the Swaros are a bit heavier. This guide is selling his 8 x 56 SLC older pair after getting the 7 x 42's!

Regards
JohnT
Swarovski service is a class act too. I sent my nine year old SLC 7X42's in for a minor repair a year or two ago and they came back completely rebuilt with new casing at no charge under warranty.

Cheers,

Grim Jim
thats not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd time i have heard of that happening...typical "you get what you pay for" service from Swaro
Originally Posted by Bald1
Originally Posted by DMB
I'd been kind of reluctant to get good binox because I knew I'd be hooked.. Now I'm hooked.. grin


LOL.... me too! Hell of an affliction in our old age eh Don?

Best!

--Bob


grin grin grin

Old age sucks, but I'll take it... grin
Originally Posted by SAKO75
thats not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd time i have heard of that happening...typical "you get what you pay for" service from Swaro


In debating what 7x42's to buy, that was one of my considerations, what kind of Srevice does the maker provide? I've read the same kinds of posts about Swaro's good service, so that went into the buy decision. Honestly, I've read some not so nice stuff about Zeiss' service from their repair facility in Chester, VA. That went into the buy equation too, in a negative way. I could have gone the Leica route, but Bob and Ilya changed all of that... I'm glad they did. I've never looked thru binox as good as these... They are just so easy on the eyes, with a stellar picture.. They're good enough to sleep with... grin grin grin

Don
Originally Posted by DMB
[quote=SAKO75]....Honestly, I've read some not so nice stuff about Zeiss' service from their repair facility in Chester, VA.....

Don


I am going to test those comments Don (not yours I know). I just picked up a pair of the 8x40 Conquest ABK's on clearance at one of the local stores. Upon returning home I noticed a lack of tack sharp resolution in one of the barrels. They are packaged up and ready for shipment to the Virginia facility with a nice, detailed letter illustrating the issue. I will be sure to post further on the subject as things progress.

As for the 7x42 SLCs, I must admit their image is a revelation. The wide, flat image is exceptional. I owned a pair last year and was entirely enthused by their image quality. In truth you really cannot go wrong with any of the big three's 7x42 bins. They are all excellent both because of the specific configuration and also because each is slightly different from the other optically and mechanically. Throw in that Meopta 7x42 and you probably have some of the most relaxing views on the planet.

If I had another $900 to throw around I would be grabbing one off the samplelist too. wink
I had NOT good service from Zeiss on bino's. I think they handle the scopes better as there is only one barrel.
Frank I will be AMAZED if you get satisfaction. I truly hope you do but......
Dave
I will be sure to post about it Dave..here and elsewhere. wink
Frank,

To be quite honest I too factored in service when evaluating 7x42 choices among Leica, Zeiss, Swarovski, and Meostar. Granted what is posted online is usually the sour grapes and not so much the bravo zulus (navy-speak for well done). But there did seem to be a disproportionate number of less than laudatory service endorsements for Zeiss and Leica versus Swarovski. You seem to have had good experience with Meostar which was the only comment I'd found about it.

Coupling the service reputation with looking at performance comments like yours quoted here established the SLC as having the features I valued most:

"SLC - largest sweet spot of image in focus resulting in the most relaxed view.

Ultravid - Most vivid colors and most ergonomic. Feels tiny for its size if that makes any sense.

FL - Brightest and sharpest image with a noticeably wider true and apparent field of view."

"The Leica Trinovid, Swaro SLC and Meopta have very large sweet spots but tend to be a bit on the heavy side (30 ounces +). The Ultravid has almost as large of a sweet spot but is a bit lighter with very vibrant colors. The Zeiss is the sharpest to my eyes with a noticeably wider apparent field of view compared to the others but there is noticeable blurring (astigmatism) in the outer one third of the image.

All are great glass. I ended up with the FL because I prefer the total lack of color fringing for hawk watching plus it is the lightest of the bunch."


I have not been disappointed smile

BTW SONA has an optional rainguard en route to me gratis and I ordered a pair of winged eyeshields for my 7x42B SLC. Now to make a choice for a better protective case....

--Bob

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Originally Posted by Bald1


BTW SONA has an optional rainguard en route to me gratis and I ordered a pair of winged eyeshields for my 7x42B SLC. Now to make a choice for a better protective case....

--Bob

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i am getting the case gratis
Sako75,

What case are you getting gratis?

--Bob
I dont know...
I called SONA and spoke with a nice person who agreed that the bag isnt great and is sending me a nice swaro bag free...
Mmmmm.... well let me know what shows up. I'm half tempted to call her again and tease that the other fellow who recently got his 7x42B from S******* you're taking care of... why not me too? LOL
because i didnt talk to
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her
....i know someone else who i have spoke with in the past who is no longer in "customer service" but actually provides customer service!
Ah.... contacts. Nothing like 'em smile

Actually I think I'm more of the mind that having Swaro splattered all over the case is an ad to thieves that high value goods are inside. Granted I don't intend to leave mine unattended but those that have raised this issue hit a chord with me. Then again I certainly wouldn't turn down a nice case from SONA smile

I still haven't made a choice but I think the Snug Rug is leading my short list at this point which also includes the Red Oxx and Crooked Horn bino cases as well as a Lowepro pouch.


A guy from Mission TX on another forum has come across a local dealer willing to sell his two new-old-stock 2002 Swarobright treated 7x42 SLCs for .... get this!..... $788 each. Talk about a bargain!!!



No Swaros for me. They have a long term fogging problem that has been with them for many years. The others of the big names don't have that rep. If I'm spending the big bucks, I want it all. E
Wouldn't expect a different answer from you. SLC's have proven to be a tough bino and furthermore your input is unwarranted as it is just clearly a case of you trying to bash a product you know nothing about. And you wonder why the optics forum turns into a bunch of arguements, this my friend is a perfect case in point!
Originally Posted by Eremicus
No Swaros for me. They have a long term fogging problem that has been with them for many years. The others of the big names don't have that rep. If I'm spending the big bucks, I want it all. E


I am in a no BS mood today, so E I am call a big time bull ship on this!!!

You gotta be in desperate need of a C Store run for some munchies, as you gotta be smoking some really good stuff to say something like this!

Dober
Originally Posted by Eremicus
No Swaros for me. They have a long term fogging problem that has been with them for many years. The others of the big names don't have that rep. If I'm spending the big bucks, I want it all. E


I'm fairly new around here and have tried to stay away from the flame wars. But this post strikes me as a pure waste of bandwidth as it adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. Further not all that long ago this same comment of yours was debunked with input from Barsness. Why you continue to perpetuate this erroneous generalization is beyond me. Perhaps you have a PhD in s**t disturbing and simply enjoy stirring the pot. I don't know but one would think there are much more productive pursuits in life.

--Bob
I have to agree with the others, i`ve had my (old) 7`s for nearly 8 years now they get used nearly every day, hell in 04 my records tell me i used them for 163 days straight, they have been sat on, dropped from hands and high seats, bounced around the dash of a land rover and slept on by labs and cockers and the kids play with them! its no coincidence that i have 4 other pairs, all my own and all the other pairs that i know of have NEVER fogged and YES the cust service is tops.
Say what you want guys. I've got an old B&L Zephur that has never fogged either. I've been using hard it since 1958. It is not and never has been waterproof.
So, believe what you will. I see no point in buying something with that well documented rep when, for the same money, I can have either a Zeiss or a Leica in the same 7X42 size. E
I've had my 7x42mm SLC's for about 12, maybe 15 years now, and never had a problem with them..They are an extremely popular bino in the UK that has a very good reputation. So yet more bullshit from E. Remember this is the guy who thought Leupold used "real diamonds" in their lens coating...

Personally, I would'nt value his opinion on the glass that pickle jars are made of..
Keep it to yourself if your sole purpose is just to flame a thread, clearly the case here.

BTW, 7x42 SLC's can now be had for 800-900 bucks tell me where you can find an FL or Leica for that much money brand new? That's right you can't, and furthermore the SLC has a well documented history for being a tough bino, ask JB.

Gentlemen, this flap over wether or not the Swaro binos have a long term fogging issue is not nearly as big a deal as many make it. Nor is the solution to this potential problem "keeping it to yourself."
If your binocular has the potential to fog, it is pretty easy to diagnois. Simply dunk it in 140 degree, warm water for a few minutes. If it leaks, you have a potential problem. Simply box it up and ship it to Swarovski with a note saying the bino has fogging issues. Their service is excellent. They will make it as good as new. If it doesn't leak, then you have no potential problem. Frankly, I'm surprised that someone else didn't think of this. E
Originally Posted by Eremicus
Gentlemen, this flap over wether or not the Swaro binos have a long term fogging issue is not nearly as big a deal as many make it. Nor is the solution to this potential problem "keeping it to yourself."
If your binocular has the potential to fog, it is pretty easy to diagnois. Simply dunk it in 140 degree, warm water for a few minutes. If it leaks, you have a potential problem. Simply box it up and ship it to Swarovski with a note saying the bino has fogging issues. Their service is excellent. They will make it as good as new. If it doesn't leak, then you have no potential problem. Frankly, I'm surprised that someone else didn't think of this. E


Yeah, i'll get right on that and while i am at it, i'll hit them with a rubber mallet as per your old suggestions to see if they are "tough"......

YOUR SLANDEROUS POSTS ARE NOTHING MORE...
If it's "not that big of deal" than why all the rants about their poor track record of holding up, blah blah blah?? Seriously, do you have two personalities in that brain of yours?

Here's the problem, if there is a Swaro thread on binos or scopes you'll but your nose in it everytime just to spite the product. Doing all of this without ever using these products, it's a joke as are your comments on various other topics.
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