Hi all. I'm new to this site and really enjoy it so far. I've received this M70 Featherweight that I need to scope. I'll probably go small and light. Should I use a one-piece or two-piece base? Steel or aluminum base and rings? I'm thinking about installing a 2-7X or 2.5-8X or compact leupold. All suggestions are greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance!

-Jeff in MN

A classic rifle like that deserves a classic scope setup in my opinion.

I'd go with a Leupold 2.5-8x36 VX3 in Leupold dual dovetail mounts(2-piece base, medium rings).

That would look really sharp on that rifle, be more than enough magnification for any big game hunting and wouldn't detract from the balance and handling of such a fine firearm.

Good luck, Leftybolt

Thanks Leftybolt! Is the VX3 the Vari-X III? I don't have much experience with scopes and mounting. Does it need to be professionally installed? Would the base screws need to be Loc-Tited? Thanks again for any help. I need it. lol

Yeh 2.5-8 leupold would be excellent,rings and bases there are alot off good ones out there, I prefer warne. I have never had to lock tight base screws even with big magnums,but some guys do.The most important thing to do is make sure your rings are in perfect alignment,have somebody show you in person that has experience.A poorly mounted scope can be a very frustrating situation.A lapping bar and alignment rods are very helpful.

As far as bases, you stated you wanted small and light. You might want to look at Talley lightweights. They now make super lows so it might fit the application you are looking for.
Rick

No, it's two generations later.

Vari-X III, then VX-III, then (current) VX-3.

As mathman said the VX-3 is the current version of Leupold's Vari-X III.

Scope mount preference is a personal thing.

Others have mentioned Talley lightweights(aluminum), Warne(steel, but heavy); and there's lots of other decent quality and functional mounts out there.

Personally, I like steel mounts and Leupold's Dual Dovetail rings and bases offer a very strong but clean, nice looking mount(doesn't look bulky on the rifle ) that's fairly light in weight.

If you aren't familiar with the do's and don'ts of mounting scopes then have a reputable professional do it, it will save you alot of money in the long run over having a damaged scope or mounts.

I degrease the bases and rings and use blue lock-tite on both(bases and rings)and have never had a scope move when doing so. Many don't think it is necessary. IMO it's cheap insurance. To each his own.

Good luck, Leftybolt

Jeff, glad to welcome another Minnesotan to the camprife. I would also suggest the talley 1 pcs lwt lows and either a 2x7x33 or 2.5x8, both great scopes for such a rig.I have this set up on several of my model 70's and it works well.

If I went with the VX-3 2.5-8X 36mm Leupold and the dual-dovetail bases, would I want low or medium Leupold rings? The rifle weighs 6 lbs. 13 oz., and I'd like to keep it under eight lbs. scoped and loaded. Would this setup achieve that?

Welcome, nice rifle.

Since you've never mounted a scope before I agree with leftybolt on having a reputable professional mount it for you.

In my experience Model 70 long actions often need some type of extended bases for shorter scopes. Try to make sure you're getting the eye relief you need from whatever scope & mounting system you decide on before it's paid for and mounted.

I may buy some scope mounting tools since I'll definitely be doing this more in the future. Any recommendations there? Thanks for the tips so far, I will heed your advice.

I have several winchester featherweights with leupold dual dovetail mounts and rings, they're definately the way to go on that rifle, they look great and are about as strong as you can get. Unfortunately a 2.5x8x36 will not fit on a long action in dual dovetails, the tube length is too short. I actually did get one to fit on a friend's M70 30-06 by beveling one edge of the scope ring but you probably don't want to do that, and there was absolute zero fore/aft adjustment to be had. Leupold's website shows the 2x7x33 to have a 5.2" tube length vs. the 2.5x8x36's 5.1", so I'd imagine it would fit but you'd still have very little fore/aft adjustment for eye relief.

If it were me I'd get the 3.5x10x40 instead of either of the two scopes you mentioned. I've got two of the 2.5x8x36's and like them, but the 3.5x10x40 is a better, more versatile scope and it has more tube length for adjustment. The 3.5x10x40's definately are brighter, the 2.5x8x36's lack noticably in that department to me. The 3.5x10x40 weighs a whopping 1 oz. more than the 2.5x8x36, a difference not even worth talking about it's so minor. I also think the 3.5x10x40 looks better on a long action, it's still a pretty compact scope. My two 2.5x8x36's are mounted on short action featherweights. If you don't want the 3.5x10x40 then the VX-II 3x9x40 is also a great scope, it's only about a half oz. heavier than the 2.5x8x36 and has enough tube length for your rifle. It's slightly more compact than the 3.5x10x40.

Any of these scopes, including the 3.5x10x40 and 3x9x40 will fit fine in LOW dual dovetail rings, there's no need for mediums on a winchester featherweight.

The Talley light weight are nice (see #1 below) but even nicer are the SK mounts (see #2 below) are even slicker and have the advantage of windage adjustments in both front & rear bases.
The 2.5-8x36 Leupold is a great scope that mounts low.
If you got the bucks the 2.5-10x32 Nightforce is wonderful.

Thanks Crow hunter! Does anyone here have a 2.5-8 X36 on a featherweight? Maybe a different base configuration would work? I doubt that I'll ever need to use more than 4-7X and my shots would all be 200 yards or less. I would probably have it set to 2.5-4X for Minnesota woods huntin'. How about an offset or extended base? Whatever those are. lol

Thanks oldman1942! I can't enlarge your pics and I don't see too well, so can't tell much from your setups. They do look clean though. The VX-3s are selling for $400 and I'd like to keep the budget under $500 with bases, rings and gunsmith pro mounting. Maybe I'm already over-budget? lol I'm a real newbie here.

In my experience Crow hunter is right on with his recommendations for the 3.5-10&3-9 Leupolds on a long action Model 70. It's gonna be close with your budget for those scopes. You might want to check out the new Redfield or something in that price range.

For the distances you say you'll be shooting I'd get a Weaver or any good quality fixed 4x or 6x. Most of them will be easy to mount, save you some bucks and do the job. The Leupold 6x36 FXII will fit a long action Model 70 but I believe their newer 4x is too short. Their older Model 8 4x will be easy to mount and do the job for around $125 on ebay. Look at the used scopes for sale here too.

M70 dual dovetails wont fit with a VXII 2-7 unless you get the extended front. This is a nice set-up though.

Another good one is the VXIII 1.75-6. You could use regular Dual dovetails, as this scope is longer, and a bit more eye relief.

S/K rings and bases here is a supergrade with them, another rifle and another. Needless to say I really like them

safari317,

With Leupold's RVF base(reverse front base) setup the 2.5-8X36MM VX-3 will fit just fine.

Google leupold dual dovetail bases for a reference picture. The RVF base will set the front ring back about .5"- .75" compared to the standard DD front base.

# 54241, this is Leupold's Product code for the M70 RVF DD Bases. I believe they only come in matte black(RVF Bases) so matte rings and scope finish would probably be the way to go here, it will look really nice(I prefer matte to gloss myself when it comes to scopes; your tastes may differ).

Another member here mentioned going with the larger 3.5-10x40mm VX-3 to accomodate the standard DD bases. That is not a bad option either. If you do this you will have the option of using gloss rings and bases and a gloss finished scope if you prefer as Leupold makes the standard DD bases in gloss finish.

S&K mounts are also really nice as mentioned but are expensive.

Word of caution: Leupold low rings are really low, I prefer mediums but as mentioned low will work with a 2.5-8x or 2-7x Leupold on a standard caliber featherweight(if it is a magnum caliber or WSM and you go with a bigger scope, I'm not so sure). Somebody else here can advise you further regarding this.

You have lots of options; just depends on how deep your pockets are.

IMO you would have a well put together and nicely balanced rifle with the Leupold DD RVF bases/rings setup and matte black 2.5-8x36mm VX-3.

Good luck, Leftybolt

43 is correct; to mount a 2.5-8 Leup with DD bases and rings on a 30/06 length action M70 will require a front or rear extension base,which is no big deal,but neccessary nonetheless.

I'm thinking of trying out the Redfield 2-7X28mm with the Leupold matte DD bases and rings...the mounting length of the scope is 5.2" and I'd really rather not use the reversible front base unless absolutely required. The scope is only $150 with a lifetime warranty and coated lenses. I'm much more interested in field of view rather than overall magnification...your thoughts? This would be a pretty cheap route for just getting started. I could probably order a scope installation toolkit as well. I will have plenty of rifles and funds to upgrade in the future. I really want to do the installs myself...I'm an engineer, so I'm pretty stupid with common sense! LMAO

Good companies to order from on-line? Good toolkit for scope mounting? Thanks again.

Safari317,

I sent you a PM,

Leftybolt

Okay, leftybolt talked me out of the Redfield. I'm thinking VX-3 1.75-6X 32mm. It's small, light and supposedly good quality. It should give me a nice large field of view. If I don't like it, I can always put it on my Boddington Safari 375 Ruger. I'm goin' with matte everything, DD bases and low rings, Leupy. I might need a 1" bar of somethin' or another for installation.

Who's a good company to order from? I haven't gotten any feedback on that one yet...Opticsplanet? I can't do Cabelas without paying tax. Need some help here. Thanks to you all!

-Jeff in MN

safari: Everything you need for scope mounting can be ordered from Brownell's,mostly on line. It is not complex but must be done correctly of course.

Suspect you will like the Leupold Lefty suggested.

Who's a good company to order Leupys from? I'm gonna get my son a 2-7X rimfire with the nice ringmounts and the VX-3 1.75-6X plus mounts and rings for myself. Need an out of state company so's I don't pay tax up front, or ever. LOL
-Jeff in MN

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/catalog/

The height of the DD lows will work fine w/ your rifle in terms of height; heed the caution on the fore/aft measurements. I have the low DDs on a Model 70 Supergrade w/ Leupold VX-III 4.5x14x40 and they easily clear.

Another worth considering is the Talley fixed steel models; these are classics for sure.

I mounted a 2.5-8x on a 70 FWT 300WM using Talley Lightweight Lows (Extended). Works great. If you do a search, Timberline posted a while back about a deer hunt using a 280 FWT and had good pics of those rings and scope.

Them prices are higher than I'm seeing elsewhere. They don't reflect the current sales that are goin' on.

Example: VX-3 1.75-6X32mm $429, everywhere else $399.

GF1,

I use Talley steel mounts when Leupold's won't work for my application and I agree they are classics. My only gripe with them is that their low steel rings and bases are still pretty high. and they are a bit heavy. There's enough extra steel there that they could make their lows even lower, IMO, if enough people encouraged them to do so. Price is another hurdle, they aren't exactly inexpensive but they are very strong, well made, and look great, especially on a Win. Model 70.

Beautiful rifles there phoenixdawg!!! I like the S/K mounts and rings as well. I'm gonna look into them.

-Jeff in MN

The SK bases and vertical split rings are growing on me. How would I figure out the tube mounting distance between the front of the forward ring and the back of the rearward ring? I'm not seein' any specs anywhere that would allow me to know or calculate this distance, and it would totally affect which scope is possible to mount. Anyone have this setup on an M70 '.06 length action with a smaller scope? All replies appreciated.

-Jeff in MN

Jeff

Once the scope is set in the rings, you just adjust for the eye relief that you want. On the previous picture, with the Model 70 is .270 it has a .30-06 length action, the scope is a 3x9x40, not an overly big scope by any stretch.

Hi phoenixdawg, could I mount a leupy VariX-II 2-7X with those sk mounts? Tube length is 5.2 ".

Leftybolt, agree w/ you on height of the Talleys - have been meaning to bring that up w/ Gary Turner and Dave Talley (they are tremendous folks) on our next visit. In spite of the height issue, I really like them and they are hell-for-stout.

you would have no problem, keep in mind the bases have more to due with scope position than the rings. Bases will be drilled at a standard length on the Model 70 standard action.

[/quote]you would have no problem, keep in mind the bases have more to due with scope position than the rings. Bases will be drilled at a standard length on the Model 70 standard action. [/quote]

I've been told that the 2.5-8X Leupy won't fit in Leupy DD bases without using a front reversible. It's tube length is 5.1". The Vari-X II 2-7X is 5.2". What is the spacing between the front of the forward ring and back of the rearward ring on your M70 SK setup? Thanks in advance.

I've been told that the 2.5-8X Leupy won't fit in Leupy DD bases without using a front reversible. It's tube length is 5.1". The Vari-X II 2-7X is 5.2". What is the spacing between the front of the forward ring and back of the rearward ring on your M70 SK setup? Thanks in advance. [/quote]

I just measured 4.6"

Thanks phoenixdawg!!! I think I could mount anything with that setup. Thanks again.

I am a fan of the steel Talley mounts. Have them on most of my rifles and I can switch scopes by adjusting only one ring between some of them. I like that the fixed rings can be converted to quick detachable with just the addition of levers.

I think too much is made over light weight rings especially going to aluminum bases. My two wish list items would be for some extra low steel Talley's and to have a steel thread insert added to the light weights to prevent stripping or galling.

The VX-II 2-7x and the VX-3 1.5-6x are under rated scopes and very useful for a wide range of conditions, as are the FX4&6s.

Many of these questions could be answered by a call to Talley's the couple of times I have called I have been extremely impressed with the helpfulness and customer service. Just another reason I have them on most of my rifles.

[/quote] I just measured 4.6" [/quote]

I'm making some guesstimations looking at the pic of your scoped M70, and I don't see any way that the outside-to-outside ring distance could be 4.6"?

Safari317,

Just looking at phoenixdog's pics of the supergrade, it looks like both of those S&K bases could be reversed from the position they are in and you would lose a bit of length on each side in the mounting distance between the rings. Based on my experience with model 70 long actions I'm betting you would be somewhere around 5.0" or less which would open up all options as far as the scope choices you've mentioned.

I would contact S&K directly and confirm.

Leftybolt

S&K mounts are the best, period, end of story. They have windage adjustments in both bases and all the other advantages of Control EXCEPT the rings are one piece. Expensive? yes, but when you can put a 4-16x50 Schmidt PH on an 8 pound 375 and zero it for windage with the erector dead center, shoot 100s of rounds through it and NOTHING moves ..... well you get what you pay for.

My latest S&K :http://www.scopemounts.com/index.html?main.html
project. A Benelli R-1 in 270 WSM w/a 2.5-10 NF on it. (R-1 uses same bases as a BAR).



Shoots quite well:

Thanks oldman1942! Those conetrols are so expensive that I don't see why anyone would buy them. I like your scope and mount setup, but that is one freaky lookin' rifle fer sure.

Rings and bases are cheap...scopes are expensive!

I'm making some guesstimations looking at the pic of your scoped M70, and I don't see any way that the outside-to-outside ring distance could be 4.6"? [/quote]

It isn't it is inside to inside, outside to outside is 5.7", if you reverse the mounts you would get plenty of clearance for 5.1".

I'm still not sure of which scope I'm gonna get, but I'm definitely thinking S&K mounts and rings or the Talley lightweights that have the lower half of the ring integral with the base. The Talleys would be cheaper and maybe lighter...can they be reversed as well? Thanks all, you're really helping me to learn here. I did get the Wheeler install kit and the Tipton Best gun vise. Any more input or pics of your setups would be great! I'm still leaning toward a lower power scope with plenty of FOV...and possibly a fixed power.

Anyone?

Ziess Conquest 4x32.