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Posted By: rrogers First focal plane scopes? - 11/19/10
Are there any good scopes with first focal reticles in the $600-$700 range. I am looking for something in the 3-9x to 4-14 range of power for targets and would like to see if I can find some to look through. They have my curiosity up and just wanted to check them out. Thanks in advance.
I wouldn't recommend an ffp scope for target shooting but think they are wonderful for hunting. I've got a swarovski for sale in the classifieds if you are interested. It is priced a little higher than what you indicate you want to spend though
Posted By: rrogers Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/19/10
Thanks, I did see your scope. I would be interested if I didn't want to get divorced. grin
Posted By: Phasmid Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/20/10
http://www.rapidreticle.com/600lr.htm

These scopes have the reticule in the first plane.
Posted By: rrogers Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/20/10
Does anyone have any experience with these scopes? Is the quality/reliability good on these? Looks about like what I am looking for.
Posted By: kcTbear Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/20/10
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx

No experience with this scope, but there's good things said about it on other forums. If I were looking for what you've described, I'd check it out.
You may want to look at the Cabelas Alaskan Guide 30mm with the rangefinding reticle (circles). It's less than your budget.
Posted By: Phasmid Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/21/10
rrogers

No personal experience. Just an interest in trying one myself. You could buy one and if you don't like it sell it to me dirt cheap so I can try it also grin
Posted By: rrogers Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/21/10
Phasmid. Sure no problem and while I am at it I might as well take a road trip to wyoming to personally put it on your rifle to huh. grin
Originally Posted by kcTbear
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P41044.aspx

No experience with this scope, but there's good things said about it on other forums. If I were looking for what you've described, I'd check it out.


+1 on the super sniper, just put it on my Tikka and love it. I thought the 30mm tube would be to bulky on a light rifle but love it. Very good glass and tracking is right on the money. I would buy another one and Im pretty much in the process of swapping all my scopes to FFP reticles along with mil/mil adjustments. To get the most out of the scope make sure the reticle and adjustments are in the same measurement, ie mil/mil or moa/moa. Either way makes for a very fast way of doing things. I have found counting in .1 for the mil has worked better and faster than counting in .25 for moas.
Posted By: Tophet1 Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/21/10
I don't know why FFP scopes aren't more popular for the reasons varmintsinc listed. There must have been a marketing/advertiseing glitch decades ago.
Posted By: SAKO75 Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/21/10
Or use a VX-3 with CDS in conjunction with a rangefinder and its pretty easy
Originally Posted by oklahunter
You may want to look at the Cabelas Alaskan Guide 30mm with the rangefinding reticle (circles). It's less than your budget.


Those are no longer FFP, even with the rangefinding reticle. You'd have to find an older one.
Originally Posted by SAKO75
Or use a VX-3 with CDS in conjunction with a rangefinder and its pretty easy


I am just not a fan of any reticle for holdovers unless its a FFP or fixed power scope. I like being able to use the reticle for the holdover regardless of what the magnification is set at.
Posted By: SAKO75 Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/21/10
Cds isn't holdover reticle
My bad sako, got my abbreviations/manufactures messed up.
Posted By: SAKO75 Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/22/10
its just a duplex and u range the animal then dial the distance... it doesnt have windage like a "mil-dot" type reticle gives you though
CDNN has some great buys on the excellent German Docter Optics scopes right now.

These are first focal plane scopes:

3-10X40 1" tube for $399.99...their order number is DOC565243

3-12X56 30MM tube...$699.99...number DOC562242

I have used the 3-12X56 quite a bit on a 12,12,9.3X74R drilling, and it was a fantastic scope. These are made at the former Zeiss-Jena factory and are the same scopes but with better and more modern coatings, etc.

I also use a Hensoldt 2-7.5 first focal plane on a 9,3X62. They take getting used to after using our system for years, but they are parallax free. The reticule size is always in proportion to the target, too, at whatever power setting. It gets bigger and smaller with magnification changes.
Posted By: slm9s Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/22/10
Bushnell now has 3-12x44 and 6-24x50 FFP scopes out. Lots of comments from users on snipershide show they seem to be a good value.
Posted By: rrogers Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/22/10
slm9s, What model are those scopes in? The only thing on their website I found in 3-12x44 was in the elite 4200 series. There was no mention of ffp on it that I found though.
Posted By: rrogers Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/22/10
WOW!!!!!!!!! Almost $1200 for the 3-12x from bushnells website. Havent been able to find a dealer with these listed, and what they sell them for. If it is anywhere close to that I am gonna have to pass on these.
Posted By: Shadow Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/22/10
Originally Posted by rrogers
WOW!!!!!!!!! Almost $1200 for the 3-12x from bushnells website. Havent been able to find a dealer with these listed, and what they sell them for. If it is anywhere close to that I am gonna have to pass on these.


SWFA has them for $849.

Link: SWFA Bushnell 3-12x44mm FFP MIl/MIL

Bear Basin lists them for $749.95

They are out there and they are FFP Mil/MIL with illuminated reticle.

Bob
Posted By: MILES58 Re: First focal plane scopes? - 11/23/10
I have five FFP scopes. Four are 1.5-6x42s which are about as perfect as is possible for Minnesota deer hunting. One is a Nikon Monarch Gold 2.5-10 That I think I bought from a member here. For Target work and varmints I prefer the Zeiss 4.5-14x44. I am still undecided about the Nikon. It's very bright and clear. It seems more "contrasty" than the Zeiss and the color resolution is not as good IMO. The depth of field seems less but it might be a combination of the color resolution and the contrast differences, I can't be sure.
Miles,
When did nikon make a foray into FFP reticles? I did not think they offered anything. How do you like a FFP on the 1.5x6? What type of reticle are you running? Seem like any kind of mildot would be to small to be used at the lower magnifications. I know on my SS 3x9 the mils are still useable but it becomes more user friendly at about 5-6x.
Some of the Nikon's have very little verticle adjustment. One I looked at only had 20MOA of adjustment.

Carefully check the specs on each one...................DJ
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