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Posted By: PaulDaisy Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
I have thought about this for quite a while now and finally decided to ask for input here on the ever so impossible decision of choosing scopes.
Four rifles:
(1) 300 Wby Vanguard, 24". Until this year was my all-around gun for 100-300 yard elk hunting and has a 2-7x32 Weaver installed. After several years of no issues, last year gave me an unexplained 8" downward point of impact shift out of the blue; once re-sited, did not reoccur but made me leery. Recent Timney trigger. Now that I have (2), the 300 Wby is intended to become a 300-400 yard open country / glassing elk gun. Where I hunt, my longest shot at a bull so far was 350 yards uphill (a miss).
(2) 338 RCM Hawkeye 20" bbl. This one is new, will replace the 300 Wby as a carry-around 100-200 yard gun, as it is handier to tote around the hills and through aspens and dark timber. No glass on it now; irons are not very nice, stock buckhorns. I shoot a 3" group with them at 100 yards but not much better, partly due to the ball-in-divot sight picture and partly due to slight flinching (light 338 gun). So far the elk I took were at 25 to 90 yards. I know, a .44 Mag would have been sufficient but you never know if the next one will be at 300.
(3) 243 R-77 varminter, 24" bull barrel, great trigger, with a 6.5-20 Leupold Vari-X III. Intended as 300-400 yard coyote gun.
(4) 223 Bushy Varminter, 24", no scope on it yet. Intended for prairie dogs and coyotes out to 200 yards.

I was going to leave the (3) alone but a friend whom I chatted with said, why don't you throw that one in the optics upgrade mix. He didn't exactly help, did he? So I did throw it in the mix. Budget? Not totally sure; quality preferred, and I would like to stay at the VX-3 or at least Monarch quality level.

I am leaning towards something like a 2.5-8x36 VX-3 for the (2) and a Burris Eliminator for the (1) but kind of torn on the varminters since I reload and a BDC reticle may or may not be accurate for one or another handload.

Read a lot about SS and Sightrons but somehow don't feel very confident about those, although I have no first hand experience with those.

What scope options would you choose? Go ahead with "dream" sets and with "great" sets but I have no plans for BSA or Beeman class scopes. Thanks!
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
1) 3.5-10x40 VX-3
2) 3.5-10x40 VX-3
3) 3.5-10x40 VX-3
4) 3.5-10x40 VX-3

Set them up with M1 elevation turrets, CDS windage, and if you want a ranging reticle, "dober dots" would be plenty.
Good grief! smile
There is no way I will want to shoot at x10 from the (2). That will be quite a waste and extra weight and bulk to bang on the trees.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
So, you'd shoot 8x from that rifle, but not 10x? Think about that....

2.5-8x36 VX-3 weighs 11.4 oz, and is 11.4" long. 3.5-10x40 weighs 12.6 oz, and is 12.6" long. 1.2" and 1.2 oz difference.

The ability to have the same scope on all the rifles, set-up the same way, and have your eyes be used to seeing the same thing, and in the same position on the stock outweighs the barely more than 1 oz difference, IMHO.
Posted By: Oregon45 Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Leupold 4x33's for #1 and #2

Leupold 6x42 for #3

Leupold 4.5-14x50 for #4 or, to be retro-cool, a Leupold M4 10x.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Hell, personally, I'd just run an FX-3 6x42 with M1s on the whole line-up and be done with it.
Posted By: Oregon45 Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Not a bad choice. I'm a fan of identical scopes on multiple rifles, for the reasons you mentioned. For a time I ran nothing but Leupold 4x's with the exception of a Nightforce 5.5-22x on a Rem 700 varmint in 223. I figured the heavy barreled varmint gun was a specialized tool and required a specialized scope to match it. It was fun. It weighed 11lbs whistle
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Putting a 6x on the mini-mauser in 7.62x39; 6x already on the '06. Old 8x (close enough) on one .22LR; 6x going on the other.

I might stick with a 4x on the 9.3x62, but if the right 6x comes along, there'll be one there.

6x already set aside for the varmint rig.

6x on the in-line ML.

Makes life simple.
Posted By: Oregon45 Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
I had a 6x36 Leupold on my 9.3x62 for awhile. It worked. I went back to the 4x as I liked the slightly wider field of view.
Pretty unexpected replies, I appreciate them. Fixed 4 and 6 crossed my mind. I looked at both 3.5-10 and 2.5-8 and the latter is noticeably smaller. I'd go with a 1-4 on (2) but found parallax quite offensive at close range. Keep them coming!
Posted By: raybass Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
(1) 3.5-10 VX3 Boone & Crockett
(2) 2.5-8 VX3
(3) the one on it is fine
(4) 3.5-10 VX3
I am very surprised nobody threw in a Conquest, considering how much discussion there seems to be on VX-3 vs. Conquest performance. I would not mind a Conquest on (2), just don's seem to find a low power, light option. Hard core Leupold fans, here wink
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Actually, if they made a fixed 6x Conquest, I'd likely be all over it.

For me, the fixed 6 covers a lot of bases, and whether it's on something like a 9.3x62, or an '06, or a rodent-blaster, it just works. The 6x42 gives great FOV, great "non-critical" eye relief, and superb low-light performance.

Less to move, less to break, less to be on the wrong power at the wrong time, and since everything looks the same, easier to judge size/distance.
Posted By: harv3589 Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Actually, if they made a fixed 6x Conquest, I'd likely be all over it.

For me, the fixed 6 covers a lot of bases, and whether it's on something like a 9.3x62, or an '06, or a rodent-blaster, it just works. The 6x42 gives great FOV, great "non-critical" eye relief, and superb low-light performance.

Less to move, less to break, less to be on the wrong power at the wrong time, and since everything looks the same, easier to judge size/distance.


I agree and I love it on my '06. Wouldn't change it and I have tried others. Simple just works, 6x42 and a '06, match made for hunting hard.
Posted By: KDK Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
1. 3.5-10x40 VX3 w/ M1 elevation knob, or 3-9x40 Conquest
2. 2.5-8x VX3, with or without elev. knob, I just happen to have one with the M1 sitting around, so would use it
3. Keep it the same, unless you really wanted something new, then either a 30mm VX3 6.5-20x, or a Conquest 6.5-20x
4. 3.5-10x40 VX3 w/ M1 elev.
So, nobody thinks I can (or maybe should) re-use the Weaver on (2)?
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
No.

Retire the Weaver to something that kicks LESS than the rifle it was on, and won't cost you a big game critter if/when it pukes again.

Got a .22LR?
Posted By: KDK Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
My only experience with a modern Weaver was a fixed 4x that puked when mounted on a Remington 572 pump .22. Maybe the Amish Machine Gun action did it in, but I want nothing to do with them now.
I've got my own scope problems, but I'm leaning towards the 2.5-8x36 vx 3 and have already ordered the vx3 3.5-10x40 with CDS. I'd make those a suggestion to you too. No flies on the conquest either. I've even had good luck with the burris FFII with the balistic plex reticle. So here's my list to you:

1. Leupy 3.5-10x40 VX3 with CDS

2. Leupy 2.5-8x36 VX3

3. Keep what you have

4. 3-10x40 Weaver tactical grandslam. You can be my guinee pig grin
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Got a .22LR?

I hear you. My R-10/22 already has a 3-9x40 $60 Bushnell that will not last on anything else. Speaking of which, that is the rifle I would not mind having the new Nikon Rimfire scope on. The .22LR has enough drop to benefit from a quick BDC reticle, shooting iron ducks at 50-75-100-125 interchangeably. That is a lot of fun but I miss a lot on elevation doing that with a regular duplex.

Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter

4. 3-10x40 Weaver tactical grandslam. You can be my guinee pig grin

Nice, thanks! wink
The Weaver seemed to hold zero fine on the 300 for years, just whatever that one instance was, it spooked me. Could be the stock, too; it is wood. I actually picked the Weaver up after side-by-side comparison at the minimum magnification with VariX-II, FFII and Nikon at the time. It had the clearest image (for my eyes) among sub $300 scopes that I could get my hands on some 6 years ago.
Posted By: Eremicus Re: Choices for multiple guns - 08/20/11
If they were mine, I'd go with a 6X42, FX3 on #1. The Medium or Heavy duplex both have a 9 inch opening which comes in handy for quick ranging or hold off/holdover on deer or elk.
On No. 2, I'd do a 4X Leupold with a duplex as well. If you like the VX3's in the 3.5-10X40 for #1 and the 2.5-8X36 for No. 2, fine. This is just what I would do.
On No.4, I'd do a 2.5X or a 1-4X VXII. E
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