I need some help.
I have been struggling with a way to mount my Pentax Pioneer II scope (42mm objective lens) to my trusty Remington 7600 with enough barrel clearance so that I can still use my iron sights if I have to.
I hunt in alaska on the Copper River Delta, and on Hawkins and Hinchinbrook Islands. I usually hunt with iron sights, so I can be ready for quick close action with aggressive brownies, but that means I miss out on longer shots, and plenty of meat.
I want it all!!! Which see through scope rings will allow me to clear the bell on my objective lens and see my iron sights? I've tried a couple and none have worked out.
Any ideas?
Expect incoming fire.
I'd take up golf given them odds.
I have tried real hard and can't see through any scope rings.
I think its a scam, kinda Like them x-ray glasses.
Ok, I'll stick my toe in the water.
86 the see-thru rings. Trade the big scope in for a low-power variable, say a 1.5x6 or 2x7. Affix the scope to Weaver or some other QD rings.
Then be sure to hunt with your scope on low power, in anticipation of a quick need. There is always time to crank up the power of a scope, but never time to crank one down....
Woo - You will not find much support here for the see through rings. Back in the day when I was young and inexperienced I too thought they were a good idea, mostly because my Dad was an open sight guy.
But after a year or two I came to realize they were pretty much a gimmick. I found that a low mounted scope in a low power such as a 1.5x5, 2x7 etc was FAR superior to the see through mount idea for close quick shots. And either of those scopes are good for 300+ yards which is farther than a lot of shooters have any business shooting at game anyway.
To confirm my point simply look at what most experienced hunters use for dangerous game here and across the pond. I would be highly surprised if you found any with the see through mount setup.
Eh. I've heard these arguments before. I've hunted with low power scopes and went to iron sights. I can actually shoot pretty well out to 300 yards. We get the drop on deer in high meadows where being able to reach out that far is useful. I'm aware see through rings are taboo, and maybe useless. I'd just like to give it a try. So if anyone has any suggestions on a set of rings that might work let me know.
Ok, I'll stick my toe in the water.
86 the see-thru rings. Trade the big scope in for a low-power variable, say a 1.5x6 or 2x7. Affix the scope to Weaver or some other QD rings.
Then be sure to hunt with your scope on low power, in anticipation of a quick need. There is always time to crank up the power of a scope, but never time to crank one down....
Yup, like he said, the 1.5-6 Signature has big amounts of FOV on 1.5x, actually shot a deer 10yds from my stand with a Redfield 1.75-5 set on 1.75X, gobs of FOV. Oh, I hate see thrus.
Might want to try some quick release form of rings and bases for your type of hunting. Just my opinion.
ddj
OK, first off, as others have said, please-please-please get rid of any concept of using those crap-azz O/U or see-thru rings! Back in the day, say the mid 70's-the 80's, ALL land in Abbeville and McCormick Counties in South Carolina that was not privately held was public hunting land. At that time, I helped run a small gunsmithing shop, only one around fro three counties of any repute. The BIG retailer was still K-mart, and Jap cars were still made in Japan. So all that meant that K-Mart would sell these things by the truckload, and they had two types, on aluminum, and one steel. We absolutely hated these darn things. They were money makers only n the many bubbas that would buy them and then bring the gun in or the scope in for work because they would not sight in proper, or something similar. But of course, digress, as I am apt to do.
In a nutshell. When you are trying to use the sights,you really cannot see enough of the sights to really be any faster on the target, and when on scope, your head is too far off the stock to make a quick or decent shot.
Try going with quick-detach rings/bases, or try to find the Pachmayr Low-Swing type scope mount
With a set of steel bases, I've found the Warne QR rings to mount/dismount with very good zero hold.
So if anyone has any suggestions on a set of rings that might work let me know.
Yep, talley bases, split rings and a VXII 1-4x20..
Forget the see-throughs.
Seriously, please read this.. You are on the right track, and follow your instincts.
I'm aware see through rings are taboo, and maybe useless.
You're probably right.. I've gotten hooked so many times my mouth hurts.
My vote would be it's not.
When I bought my 760 I got a $30 3x9 Bushnell Sportview scope because it's all I could afford. I used see through rings with it. I never used the iron sights so I ditched the rings when I "moved up" to a Tasco World Class 2x7. Either get a scope you trust or use the sights is my recommendation. You could get quick release rings if it makes you feel better.
BTW, tell Larry I said hi!
Holden Ironsighters > Talleys
I appreciate the advice I've received, but seriously, just looking for some see through rings that I can use with my scope. I am no greenhorn. I use a nice Burris shotgun scope for what is being suggested. I'm seriously not looking for alternatives. I know these types of rings aren't popular with most but I want to try this setup out for myself, so if anyone knows a set of rings that will work please let me know. It's very difficult for me to shop for this stuff, my home is remote. I get to town a couple times a year. I just tried some Simmons rings that said they were good to 50mm objective and they didn't work.
Thanks.
And thanks doe dumper. I'll give those a shot.
I've a 4Gal Sterilite container filled to the brim with scope mounts/rings. Perhaps I can come up with a tip off for you.
Like most of the others here,I think you are probably wasting your time with the see-thru's.But,you might look at the Midway USA or Brownells on line catalogs,between the two,they probably have most every ring/base combo made.Good Luck! Lightman
I've worked my gun club's sight-in days for over twenty years. I make a point of asking everyone that shows up with see through scope mounts if they have ever used them. So far, no one has.
For over half that time, the only place in 30 miles that sold scope mounts was K-Mart and all they sold was see through.
What I did notice was a lot of bad shooting and bruised jaws with flinching because you can't get a good stock weld with any rifle and see through mounts with more drop at the comb than your basic AR-15.
Good luck on your quest.
Thanks Horse1, and everyone.
I just want to reiterate, that I get it. See throughs aren't that great. That's probably why I've never used them!!!
I don't know if I'll ever take them out on a hunt, but I'd like to give them a try. I appreciate that you guys are probably right about how they'll work, but I'm one to try things out before ruling them out.
That said, my mission is to create an acceptable near/far shooting experience. The vast majority of shots are in the 50-75 yard range. The shots that deviate out of this range tend to be shorter, and not longer. But the nature of our deer hunts change quickly. If the weather is nice, you have a long hike up to the high meadows, and when that happens, deer are encountered along the forested edges as you approach the meadows (short shots) then sometimes 200-300 yards once you get to the meadow. When I have to hike, I don't take my bolt gun with the long scope, I take the pump gun with the short shotgun scope, but I am then reluctant to pull the trigger at longer ranges, which I can do with the bolt gun and long scope. I just can't bring it up and keep an angry bruin from getting at me in a pinch.
Don't put your hand on a hot stove.
Dude, you're roaming around Hinchinbrook Island with a 7600? Is it a 35 Whelan that's been ROBAR'ed? I've been to that place and seen them bears. Get yourself a SS Ruger Hawkeye 338 RCM or 338 Win and buy one of those Ruger Scout Rifle peeps that clamps the rear ring recess. Get yourself a Leupold 1-4x or a Trijicon 1-4x. See-through mounts are the mark of a rifle ignoramus.
When I was in AK, THE rifle was a pre-64 Model 70 with a Leupold 1-4x in a Pachmayer lo-swing mount. The setup I listed above is about the closest thing off-the shelf you can buy today.
Thanks Horse1, and everyone.
I just want to reiterate, that I get it. See throughs aren't that great. That's probably why I've never used them!!!
I don't know if I'll ever take them out on a hunt, but I'd like to give them a try. I appreciate that you guys are probably right about how they'll work, but I'm one to try things out before ruling them out.
That said, my mission is to create an acceptable near/far shooting experience. The vast majority of shots are in the 50-75 yard range. The shots that deviate out of this range tend to be shorter, and not longer. But the nature of our deer hunts change quickly. If the weather is nice, you have a long hike up to the high meadows, and when that happens, deer are encountered along the forested edges as you approach the meadows (short shots) then sometimes 200-300 yards once you get to the meadow. When I have to hike, I don't take my bolt gun with the long scope, I take the pump gun with the short shotgun scope, but I am then reluctant to pull the trigger at longer ranges, which I can do with the bolt gun and long scope. I just can't bring it up and keep an angry bruin from getting at me in a pinch.
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Woo:
I am wondering about your ability to hunt in the wild. If you are having some trouble and worrying about being taken
by a bear, why in the world are you hunting in this area. Enjoying the sport is important, think about that. You know
you can equip your rifle with your scope of choice, and carry a handgun. Either way, you should be able to protect
yourself.
Methinks the fishing is good these days!
I think I have a brand new, never used side mount Pachmayr Tip-Off mount for the 740/760 Rem, if interested.
Methinks the fishing is good these days!
You are right, my neighbor caught a 12+ lb. walleye in the tailrace,
a couple of weeks ago. He went after it, and was not afraid of
those large northerns lurking nearby !
I think you guys are too harsh on him, if he wants to use them, let him use them. That's the only way he will know if he likes them or not. I do know 2 guys that use them that really like them, but the rest of us are not big fans. Both of them have used many different combinations of ring's and still seem to prefer the See Thru's.
This said, I also felt the same way he did. I knew about the complaints, I knew about the downsides, but I still wanted to try them, so I did. The gun I have them on they work great. Would I want them on a long range rifle? Heck no, but on the muzzle loader they are on they work great, and the way the stock is, I don't have to lift my head way up off of the stock to get a good sight picture. I also would have had to run extra high rings most likely with the regular set up to clear the way the action opens. I really just don't think they are are as bad as the reputation they get, and on this gun they do work well.
This being said, this in no way mean's I'd put them on my long range rifle, or that I'd want them on my main hunting rifle, but they do work for some, and they work a lot better on some rifles, than on others. It's something that's a personal preference so if he wants to try them, I think it's a fine idea.
This said, the Weaver steel rings would probably be my choice.
I've got a pair that fits a Remington 700 that I would sell really cheap, in anyone wants them.