Cameraland has just released a camerland exclusive fixed 6x scope. The email I saw says this is a camerland only model. Doug got lots of feedback here from everyone saying they wanted a fixed 6x scope. I personally think the fixed 6x deal is way way let me say way over represented. So here is your chance to buy a fixed 6x scope!!!! HERE IS YOUR SCOPE!!!! its your fault if it doesn't sell. Doug is doing exactly what you said you wanted. now go buy the damn thing!!!!! here is the link I expect them to sell out today. http://campaign.r20.constantcontact...;ca=0873bcdd-d71b-47b9-8f4b-f4e6da2d44b7

About exactly what I"d expect.

It says capped turrets but in the picture it looks exposed. Which is it?

Mil-dot reticle? Yuck - I don't think that's what we've been asking for . . .

I'm sure it's a fabulous scope but $2,000 isn't exactly what "everybody" has asked for.

Cowboy isn't exactly known for bright posts.

Yawn...

Why even start a post like this?

A $2,000 boat anchor. No thanks, find me a m8 6x42.

Hardly a boat anchor. Pretty silly to compare a S&B to a old leupold. It's out of my budget too but I'm not going to put it down.

self explanatory really.

I am awaiting confirmation from Germany, however, they sent the image to me this morning. The scope is built on the platform of the PMII 10x42 which is exposed Turrets so I believe their original note of capped is incorrect.

why even comment if you don't like it. buy the friggen scope everyone said they wanted a fixed 6x scope. here it is. a mil dot reticle is surprisingly useful. its decent at low light, and its easy to use for hold over on shots to 500 yards at least. there are a lot worse reticles out there than mil dot. as time has went by and all the fancy whizbang this or that. I have found myself liking the plain ole mil dot. more and more. I will expect this scope to sell out today.

Why worry about what others post with your record.

I've no doubt that it will be the most rugged 6x, but that price is way out of line for the features compared to other offerings.

I just spoke with S&B. The Windage will be capped and the Elevation will be exposed. This is a Made in Germany scope, not Hungary.

Our web builder has added this Schmidt & Bender 6x42 PM II FFP - P3 #832-811-862-73-94 to our site

Why don't you go put some more RealTree stickers on your truck...

Our web builder has added this Schmidt & Bender 6x42 PM II FFP - P3 #832-811-862-73-94 to our site

Glad to see this scope is listed as a first focal plane.

I wouldn't be interested if it wasn't

Because that is quite important with a fixed power scope...

Does that matter on a fixed power?

Joke fellas.

I think the Leupold 6x’s are good enough. I rather the 4x but sometimes folk opt for the longer tube of the 6x on long actions to get it closer to the eye. Many of these same folk rather the 4x too.

Honest to God, the 2-7 could be about perfect for most of us.

exactly why are you posting here? GFY rost, your the one that shoots deer all day long with a 223 at over 650 yards. BTW what is my record? pointing out all the BS you spread? What you don't know is all the PM's I have gotten regarding you in particular from those agreeing with me.

I think my post is frankly hilarious. EVERYTIME, and I mean EVERYTIME its asked about what a hunting scope should be, we have like 3 people who rant and rave about not being able to buy a fixed 6x scope and how no one makes them. The fact is first focal plane is even funnier, I do make this post as a joke and to point out that some of this stuff is just BS. However I do not want to hurt doug's sales efforts and I hope he sells the hell out of these. They look like a great scope, one I would never buy, The reticle should work great. Seriously I expect all those that complained about not being able to buy a fixed 6x scope should be buying this scope. I should go back and find all the people that complained about this. probably the same people making a stink about me posting this and pointing out their hypocrisy.

m8 6x42 is going to be ~12-13oz's?

This one at 16.8....so 3-4 oz's more makes it a boat anchor?

More of his "style"...

It's no longer possible to tell who is serious and who isn't.

The winner is Doug. He does his best to fill whatever need emerges. If you want a 6X42 hunting scope with good eye relief, a great image with a No. 4 reticle to see clearly at dusk and dawn and in the shadows in the forest and reliable enough that it tracks well enough to sight in and then doesn't lose the zero on its own once sighted in, he will go to the Czech Republic and bring over some demonstrator Meopta MeoPro 6x42's. If you want a 6x42 with all the features a turret twister delights in, he will go to Germany and bring over the Schmidt & Bender PM II.

I have bought 10 Meopta MeoPro 6x42s so I have no complaints even if they are discontinued, which is why I have so many. If they are discontinued, as Zeiss, Kahles and Swarovski before them, I don't see a replacement coming out. One of the reasons is that when someone floats the idea of a new simple 6x42 with a No. 4 reticle at a reasonable price, someone else jumps in and says they would sell only about 20 scopes (by that reasoning I represent 50% of the market, which gives me some authority) and a 6x42 needs turret twister turrets, adjustable parallax and a Mil-Dot reticle in order for anyone to buy one, turning a scope that I would buy into one that I would not. Same people recommend the Leopold MK. 4 6x40 for hunting-a 20 year old marketing exercise by Leupold that failed-primarily because the market for twisty turrets, adjustable parallax and long range reticles moved to higher power than 6x a long time ago.

If the PMII 6x42 meets your needs, buy it while Doug's special run makes it available.

zackly

It helps un-knot his panties. That and Midol.

Exactly what I've been asking for. YMMV.

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The Mark 4 6x40mm wasn’t a “failed marketing exercise”. It was built for an international military customer, and was never intended to be sold or available in the US.

If I were involved in long range hunting or target shooting, I would be well advised to take heed of Formidilosus's experience and knowledge. I am not involved in either.

I remember the MK 4 6x40. I had two of them and I am not an international user. They were listed on at least one website in the US. If I remember correctly it was SWFA. There was a choice of reticles including a duplex, which I find it hard to believe an international customer would select over a Mil-Dot. I know a duplex was offered because I owned one. I was told at the time that they were marketed to police as SWAT teams engage at shorter ranges than snipers. Leupold also addressed them in their FAQ's on their website, advising that the optics were essentially the same as the Leupold 6x42 and the MK. 4 10x40 about the same as their 12x40. This is a lot of presence for a product not intended to be sold or available in the US.

If it wasn't available in the US, that would make its recommendation even less useful. However, a quick web search showed a listing from Cheaper Than Dirt for a 6x Leupold Mark 4 M3 Riflescope Target Dot Reticle with a note that it is no longer available (no kidding). It is very difficult to reconcile "never intended to be sold or available in the US" with an offering at one time from Cheaper Than Dirt.

I wouldn't give 3.00 for a fixed 6x if I had to put it on my rifle.

Well, then, don't buy one.

I second that.

Well then, don't buy one either.

Form come on now you of all people aught think this thread is hilarious, show a brother a bone😁

I can live with a straight 4x.

Im sure its a fine scope but way out of this poor mans reach! Ill have to go with the Leuplod 6X

That's what I have on most of my rifles. Makes a lot more sense at the ranges I usually hunt/shoot. Got nothing against a good 6x, I'm not a twister though.

I didn’t think much of a 6X until trying it. There is a beauty in functional simplicity.

Deer at 20-30 yds are easy.

I guess these high-dollar scopes are great, if you have lots of disposable income. I will stay with the Super Chickens for my needs.

They are great no matter what ones disposable income is.

Don't doubt it'd be an awesome scope. Wouldn't mind the Mil Dot reticle. But at 6.5 times the price of an SWFA 6X, I suppose that I too will stick with my Super Chicken (though my next one will likely be a variable Super Chicken).
I will say, my favorite brand to look through and dream is S&B..........

The only whiners on this thread are the OP and others who feel the need to denigrate a product they're not interested in and will never buy.

Must be a slow day in a lot of podunks around the country.

Watch what you say about Podunk!

That is an interesting scope. I imagine if a guy wants the best 6x produced, that is it. It is considerably lighter than I would have guessed S&B would turn out.

How far out would the elevation adjustment take you, say on a 308, 165g?

If I had the $$$ I would buy one of these in a NEW YORK minute!
ALL I use now in my twlight years are fixed 6x scopes
Leupold FX-III Heavy Duplex
Leupold FX-3 German # 4 (Their version)
Meopta Meopro German # 4
No muss no fuss just point and shoot
AMRA

Past the effective range in the game fields.

+1 spot on . Doug makes an effort to have a group buy on a product and all he gets is this BS. Totally unwarranted, if it is too expensive or not what you want why insult?

I am on the lookout for a used S&B 6x42 and it does not have to be the PMII .

I love Podunk, it's the Podunkleheads that get to me.

$2,000 - a deal???

Different income, I guess.

Well said. I'm sure it's a great scope and bet the guys that buy them will be very happy.

Has nothing to do with income. It is a deal for a brand new PMII, special order scope.

I’m gonna start a go fund me page to buy one. Y’all pm me for the link.

Smoke, I believe the urban areas have even more...eventually someone will discover the relationship to inbreeding...

Thanks for the info, JWP

Interesting option for those of us who like a straight 6. And they will even work at less than 10yards. .

However, one of the complaints against Leupold is they are too light, and this being the reason the internals are not robust enough for consistent repeatability. So, 3-4 ounces is enough to make a significant difference?

No doubt, but the urbanites are just straight-up knuckleheads.

Both you guys are incorrect. Did you read what I said? I said the mil dot is a great reticle. I said I hope Doug sells a ton of them. No denegration of product just making fun of all the fixed 6x scope guys who complain no one makes a scope for them. Then they still complain about price, reticle etc.if they are that picky why is price such an issue?

Impossible. That only happened once, when I was four years old. I actually thought Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Can you believe it?

Did lee Harvey Oswald use a fixed 6x?

Yes. It was a Leupold. He had sent it in three times for repairs and classified FBI records indicate that customer service was second to none. But ballistics tests done by the Secret Service proved that tracking wasn't "for schidt."

lol