Looks like it held together well.
To bad that 4th on the rt was broken,nice buck either way
Hell yeah.
What shooting stix are those?
Thanks guys. Those are some cheapo Primos sticks. I think they are called polecat or something. Nice and light.
Wow that’s a pretty dense body to have stopped that bullet.
Beautiful mushroom and buck!
I caught a 168 TTSX out of a 30-06 with a similar 200-yard shot on my bull elk this year. The bull was slightly quartering away and the bullet went through the front side shoulder and was found under the hide in the neck. The bullet lost 2 petals which were recovered in the neck roast while butchering. The bull dropped in his tracks.
This is the first animal I have personally taken with a Barnes, but have seen others use them successfully for years. I don't think the bull would have been any more "dead" had the bullet exited. 😁
Dats a nice mule deer nowadays....
Very happily seeing more nice bucks taken than Ive seen in years...
Great buck, congrats, I haven’t recovered one yet.
Great buck, congrats, I haven’t recovered one yet.
Ditto. I've been using Barnes nearly exclusively for about 30 years and couldn't count the number of game taken and have yet to recover a single bullet except for the ones dug out of the berm behind my target stand.
Nice buck!
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Dats a nice mule deer nowadays....
Very happily seeing more nice bucks taken than Ive seen in years...
This!
Pretty much did what it was supposed to do, nice work!
Great buck! Lots of character.
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates.
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates.
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Great buck and great recovery on that bullet. Looks good
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates.
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But he clearly witnessed it on the sheep he lost.
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Were those all from the same box of bullets? Sounds like you got a bad batch.
Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
Yes they were all from the same box of bullets, so I have already decided they were a bad batch.
And before some post smart a** comments about things like the sheep he didn't recover, bother to read the antelope aspect. ain't making this s*** up. When I say I've followed wound channels in 50 years worth of big game you can bank it.
So there's that.
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^
But he clearly witnessed it on the sheep he lost.
Given the animal wasn't recovered he doesn't know for certain where it was hit.
Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure.
Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure.
Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result.
My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience.
Barnes does make a bullet designed to disintegrate for use by LEO’s and others to avoid ricochets.
So perhaps Murky’s disintegrating bullets were put in the wrong box by mistake?
https://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/tac-rrlp/https://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/mpg/
Were those all from the same box of bullets? Sounds like you got a bad batch.
That’s my thought as well
Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure.
Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result.
My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience.
No way would the shank become that brittle. The trouble barnes had sourcing good copper was over a decade ago and even back then bullets were not disintegrating.
To each his own. I think we can all agree we tend to keep using what has worked for us in the past until it doesn't. We then search for something else based on our experiences and data parameters. If you weren't there don't try in interject your experiences into a situation you have no knowledge of. We all have had strange things happen to equipment while hunting. Not to mention the game doing strange things. Just keep using what works for you until it doesn't. Good hunting and shooting.
To each his own. I think we can all agree we tend to keep using what has worked for us in the past until it doesn't. We then search for something else based on our experiences and data parameters. If you weren't there don't try in interject your experiences into a situation you have no knowledge of. We all have had strange things happen to equipment while hunting. Not to mention the game doing strange things. Just keep using what works for you until it doesn't. Good hunting and shooting.
You must not be a very good rifle looney. Most of us are constantly trying new cartridges, bullets, rifles, etc.
There are TTSXs (or clones), then there are the rest...
There are TTSXs (or clones), then there are the rest...
Although I'm a Partition guy through and through, a new 308 just appeared in my life, and I think my son will be carrying that rifle armed with 150g TTSXs for elk next year.
Very nice buck, congrats.
I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion.
Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail.
I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion.
Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail.
Whitley County?
I recovered a 120 grain TTSX this year as well. The bullet weighed 101.2 grains after. It lost one petal but still excellent expansion.
Shot was about 75 yards from the Ruger #1 .275 Rigby. The 8 pt was facing me and I hit him in the neck. Bullet traversed about 2' of whitetail.
Whitley County?
Yep - on the farm
The #1 Rigby - sounds like that nice sporter they mfg. - nice rifle. I hit a buck like that in CO with a 150 PT, went to the very back of the ham. 2850 mv, about 275 yds...from a 270.
I've recovered 4-5 168 TTSX, out of 3006 @ 2682 fps, from several mule deer and elk both close up (30 yards) to almost 300 yards. Lost petals etc. but killed the animals.
Internet experiences notwithstanding, I also had total failure of 4 different 120 TTSX out of 280 @ 3269 fps on bighorn (1 shot) and pronghorn (took 3 shots) in 2012. Total disintegration, little penetration, bits & pieces of bullet recovered on the pronghorn (of all animals), and lost the bighorn.
Have not shot one at an animal since.
Before the guru's take me to task, I routinely examine wound channels on animals I have shot, have a pretty good idea of how (numerous different) bullets have performed on my game shot over the last 50 years, and the TTSX failures were bona fide, not imagined or based on crappy shooting, excessive distances, iron plated animals, full moon, COVID, or Democrats.
Its essentially impossible that a monometal bullet completely disintegrates.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Well guys, I clearly saw that (fragments) on the antelope hit 3 times and RECOVERED. And apparently not impossible for a mono to disintegrate, because they did on the antelope, and none passed through as there were 3 entrance holes, ZERO exits.
How many and how large fragments? I find it very hard to believe the entire bullet would fragment into pieces. The petals shearing off and leaving only the stump, sure.
Yes that has always been my experience but as I suspected it probably was a problem with the copper being way overworked and thus very frangible basically turning them into varmint bullets. I have heard that at one point Barnes had trouble sourcing good copper and this was probably the result.
My experience with Barnes has been very different but I sure can't fault Murky for not using them based on his experience.
No way would the shank become that brittle. The trouble barnes had sourcing good copper was over a decade ago and even back then bullets were not disintegrating.
I have shot everything from coyotes to elephants with copper and brass monolithic bullets. While the may be criticized for under expansion at times...they DO NOT disintegrate.
Below are pictures of the various Barnes XLC, MRX, TTSX, and LRX bullets I've recovered from game in the last 19 years:
Yup, not a one. Ranges have been as close as about 20 feet with a .300WM to several hundred yards. I put two completely through mule deer lengthwise at about 300 yards. I did recover one from water jugs - .300WM, 180g TTSX. Lost a petal. Antelope, mule deer and elk all hate them. I like them.
Below are pictures of the various Barnes XLC, MRX, TTSX, and LRX bullets I've recovered from game in the last 19 years:
Yup, not a one. Ranges have been as close as about 20 feet with a .300WM to several hundred yards. I put two completely through mule deer lengthwise at about 300 yards. I did recover one from water jugs - .300WM, 180g TTSX. Lost a petal. Antelope, mule deer and elk all hate them. I like them.
No kidding! Tales of disintegrating TTSX are in the category of “ It’s your story; tell it however you like”. I don’t buy it myself. LOL!
I've sheared petals off before - usually finding petals caught in the offside hide and an exit hole - but haven't seen on disintegrate. Not to say that it won't happen, fling enough bullets at enough stuff and you will see some weird [bleep].
I HAVE had TSX/TTSX failure to opens before, and I have seen some absolutely spectacular penetration on stuff like bull elk at close-ish range, ie bust the on side shoulder on a quartering in bull and finding a perfectly expanded bullet under the hide on the opposite side hip. AND I had one that didn't open much at all, that only went 14" in the backstrap of an elk that was headed down a steep hill for the river at the bottom of a canyon. I fully expected to drive that one in front of the hips and have it come out the brisket, but nope. Nothing but hide and meat and stopped less than 14" in. And that was a 180 from a 300 Ultra.
In fact, every elk that I have shot with a TTSX/TSX has caught a bullet somewhere in it except one bull that I punched a 150 TTSX through broadside in my back yard from a 280AI. Only Barnes product I haven't caught in an elk is the original 140 X from a 264 Win Mag, but I caught one of those in a smallish whitetail buck at 200+ yards that was sneaking head down straight towards the rattles. And that bullet went in a tear duct at the corner of his eye and traveled the FULL length of his body an inch over from the spinal cord and was in the tail, but it was bent over in a half moon shape with one open petal. That one sat straight back and had his legs curled under him when we walked up to him. Not a single drop of blood anywhere, no blood or bloodshot in the cavity. Buddy of mine and his dad were there, and his dad figured I must've scared that buck to death when the bullet went past. Wasn't until we cut his head off after he was skinned that we found the bullet path in the spinal column.
Enough bullets into animals, and you will see weird [bleep] happen.
Now, after the initial shot, if I can slip another bullet into vitals on a stationary animal that is standing there, he gets one. Or two. If that animal is making headway trying to get away and the reaction doesn't feel right, ANY patch of hair on that one gets a bullet. Regardless of what bullet is coming out of the tube.
There are TTSXs (or clones), then there are the rest...
Although I'm a Partition guy through and through, a new 308 just appeared in my life, and I think my son will be carrying that rifle armed with 150g TTSXs for elk next year.
I've had some good experiences with one of those clones, will stick with em for now.