Dober, I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, must be a long Winter....(grin)
Once it warms up there are a couple deer(currently frozen) that I wanna use for bullet test dummies. Gonna be a very simple test, shoot a 155 Scenar and 175 SMK into a shoulder at about 3000fps and see what happens. Poke the carcass with a stick and then feed the leaded up meat to some bald eagles......laughin'!
Sounds like a good test Sammers, wish I could be there to partake in it. We should be at Logan today, bout 20 below wind chill be about model perfecto for us...grin
Almost loaded up a couple of Pat's 155's for a 100 yard Bambi test last Fall. Still haven't shot steel in over 4 months. Can't get out to any good safe spots and it's been cold, halfway afraid to shoot the 300WSM's when its cold, weakass scope might break again.....grin
Chilly couple days/nights ahead. They must calving down that way now, gonna be some cold babies hitting the ground, not good.
I know scenarshooter has posted many good pics on here I'm sure you've seen. But those were with the 308 at reasonably longer ranges if I read correctly. Not sure they would perform the same at 300 WSM velocities especially at closer ranges. Then again maybe they would be fine...
Yeah Pats used them a lot, Stick mentions them a lot just looking to see more dead animal pics from the guys. Long winter, need pics to think of spring bruins and such.
As someone who missed the last hunting season being away I can appreciate that there is no subject too trivial to think about when waiting for the next hunting season. I'll settle for any dead animal pics.
Drum-dats exactly what I'm looking for is pics of dead animals via flight Scenar. Pats used it a ton I know, Big Stick talks about it a lot so I would guess he's used it a lot as well. Just bored and wanting to see more pics of dead critters..<g>
This is all I've been able to kill with them so far....
Scenarshooter's load out of my .308.
Considering the huge investment I had in that gun, I was kinda a little proud of this group until I read (according to Swampman700 on the 308 hater thread) the 308 is no good and groups much better than this can be routinely shot out of Marlin lever guns.
You might think about trading in those 155 Scenars on some 180 Corelocs...I hear that's where its at.
It has been a tolerably long winter so far, but it can't last forever....
It won't last for ever bud, we'll be watching greening slopes via some good glass not too long from now. The 155's shot very well in my 300 WSM, think you're gonna likey that rig and you're more than welcome to beat the heck out of it come spring while persuin a bruin.
Lets try to catch up this weekend.
Dober
(side note 180 CL's they are the deadiest shroom in the woods right...)
Dober, been thinking bout the Scenars also, got couple hundred coming for my new 6.5x284 currently being built,,, seems like Pat has great success, also lots people get excellent accuracy,,,
27 Below this morning here, coyotes didnt want to move to well, only got 1 with the 168 berger,,,673 yards,,,i think some 800 and 1000 yd steel ringing in the works tomorrow,,,, someday before july i hope we have spring up here.....
Father and son team with a pair of mule deer bucks shot with 155 scenars from their 30/06's. One shot each.
A good bud of mine with a nice 7X7 bull shot in the breaks with his .308 155 scenars. Both rib shots broadside at 700 meters. The bull never went 10 feet.
Another bud with a 360" 6X6 shot at 447 meters with my GAP .308 and two well placed 155's. He shot from the ridge in the upper left corner of the picture.
105gr scenar from a .240 Weatherby.
"Old Duffers" came out from Iowa and hunted with me. I told them to leave their rifles at home and I loaned them one of my .308's. This buck was shot at 600 meters with a 155gr scenar.
My bud from Whitehorse, YT, hunted with me last fall and killed this buck from the timbered ridge behind him with my .260 and one 139gr scenar. Probably the largest bodied buck I've ever seen.
A good bud's girlfriend with her first mule deer buck shot with my "Little .308" and a 155gr scenar..she killed a cow elk with the same rifle earlier that morning at 493 yards if I remember right.
Another old, heavy antlered buck we shot this fall with a .308 and same bullet.
Big scenar bullet used here.....shoot deer and elk with a .308 and antelope with a damn .338LM.....doesnt make much sense....grin!
Scenarshooter, what kind of rifle rest is that with the A-frame of metal with the cartridge storage up front? Looks nice. What kinda load are you using with the 155's? What kinda speed you getting with em? Thanks
That's a little deal I make from aluminum plate, brass hinges, leather and a nylon draw string.
In my .308's I use: Lapua brass Hodgdon's Varget Wolf LRM,CCI BR2,or Fed 210M primers. 5 thou. jump. Bearing surface will vary a bit from lot to lot, so dont forget to always check it. Learned this the hard way....grin!
I'm getting between 2925 and 2950fps in three different barrels. All three are 1-11". Bartlein 5R@ 26", Krieger MTU@ 26" and a Rock #3 @ 24". The Bartlein and the Rock are really fast barrel's and I've pushed a few test loads beyond 3000fps. My ES is lower at 2950 or so and brass holds up better as well.
Pat, Mind sharing what load the guys were using with the 155 Scenar and the 30-06?
Thanks in advance
We started out with 58.0grs H4350 and worked up and stopped at 3000fps(best ES and groups)At around 3050fps the bolt lift was getting stiff. Lapua brass Fed 210M
Antelope buck shot with an '06 and 155gr scenar with that load.
Thanks for the load data. That's great speed from the 24" tube. Hope I can get mine up there. Love the rifle rest looks like load data on one side and ammo loops on the other. I'm gonna build one this week. Piano hinge on either side??? Looks like it would fold up nice and carry well with the little seat I usually carry with me. Got any close up pics of it? Also are you running the moly coated bullets or straight copper bullets?? Thanks a bunch. Love your pics!!!
My pal and a buck he took with his Surgeon .308 at around 600 meters using the scenar. He made a great shot in a 20mph+ cross wind.
My uncle from Iowa with his first buck. The shot was 287 meters with my Surgeon .308 and 155. We recovered that bullet from the off side. the Core was intact and not seperated from the jacket. One of the few scenars I've ever recovered.
This buck was less than 200 meters...155 went right through on a broadside rib shot.
My youngest with his first double...shot from the ridge above his head with my Surgeon .308 and 155's....a day I'll never forget. We watched these coyotes come up the draw from more than a mile away. The first shot was 200 meters, the second was right at 300.
I've taken over 700 coyotes with that bullet and have never had one stay in. Even on lengthwise shots. They really penetrate.
Scenar, do you have any idea how many big game kills you have been part of. All your pics. made me order some scenars to try in my 308.LOL Awesome pics of the kids.
I've got a few left...last fall .308, 155 from 320 meters. It was getting dark and I wanted him anchored right there so I shot for the front shoulders. The bullet passed through and he dropped right there.
300gr scenar from a .338LM. I'm thinking it was under 200 meters.
Exit on same cow...
He used the same rifle and load for this mule deer buck with the same results.
Can you suggest a good source for scenar load data? I have a .300 WM Sako TRG. Light bullets? 180gr + bullets?
The newest VihtaVuori reloading manual(#4) has quite a bit of scenar bullets listed in their testing....course its all their powder only. And thats not a bad thing. VV powder is pretty damn good. I use it in my .338LM.
Pat, Mind sharing what load the guys were using with the 155 Scenar and the 30-06?
Thanks in advance
We started out with 58.0grs H4350 and worked up and stopped at 3000fps(best ES and groups)At around 3050fps the bolt lift was getting stiff. Lapua brass Fed 210M
Antelope buck shot with an '06 and 155gr scenar with that load.
Many thanks.
How far off the lands do you usually start your load work up?
My youngest with his first double...shot from the ridge above his head with my Surgeon .308 and 155's....a day I'll never forget. We watched these coyotes come up the draw from more than a mile away. The first shot was 200 meters, the second was right at 300.
I've taken over 700 coyotes with that bullet and have never had one stay in. Even on lengthwise shots. They really penetrate.
I should go ahead and tell him he sucks now, so i don't hafta do it later....
Since you did, I won't have too...Great pictures as always Pat, just goes to show how well good equipment and components can work. Notice you snuck a 260 kill in there. I've got a 243 with a tired barrel and have been trying to decide on a caliber for a rebarrel.
Steelhead, interesting picture. Did you do the sectioning or is that from someone else? It caught my eye because the 165 gr. BT jacket is MUCH different from the one that I sectioned a few weeks ago in my mid-winter boredom during a blizzard. Here is the pic. From the right: 6mm 60 gr. Sierr HP, 6mm 85 gr. Sierra BTHP, 6.5mm 120 gr. Ballistic tip, 6.5mm 130 gr. Accubond, 6.5mm 140 gr. Sierra GK, .308" 125 gr. Nosler BT, .308" 155 gr. Scenar, .308" 165 gr. Nosler BT. I wonder if the 165 in your pic is from older manufacture, because the one I filed off has a MUCH thicker jacket and is of very recent manufacture.
Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them.
Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them.
If I may ask, the long range performance of the heavier Scenars, not enough expansion? Too much expansion?
You did, I shot some yesterday with R25 (my 6/06 is a 10 twist), the combo didn't work out too well. This barrel is a bit wonky and really and I mean really hates the long heavies..
Thx 4 sending them though, I appreciate it.
Can't wait 4 spring bruins, nutha 6 weeks my friend!
Mark, I have shot those and they are extremely accurate. I was'nt impressed with the performance at long range compared to the 155's and I've never hunted with them.
If I may ask, the long range performance of the heavier Scenars, not enough expansion? Too much expansion?
Thank you, Expat
When I tested them it was only at the range(167 scenars). The 155's were the clear choice performance wise.
You did, I shot some yesterday with R25 (my 6/06 is a 10 twist), the combo didn't work out too well. This barrel is a bit wonky and really and I mean really hates the long heavies..
Thx 4 sending them though, I appreciate it.
Can't wait 4 spring bruins, nutha 6 weeks my friend!
Dober
100 grain BTSP hornady's is as big as my 10 twist 6/06 would handle, It needs a barrel now (along with 3 other guns). so I'll fix that soon..It sure was fun with 70 grain SMK's while it lasted!
The 100 Horns will shoot well for me also, think I used H4831 with them. If and when I rebarrel one day it'll be a quicker twist, though to date the 95 NBT's have done me very well out to 634 yds and the 70 NBT's have done very well to 505 or so (on small big game like deer/lopes).
Pat have yu tried any of the 77 grain Scenar in the 6MM? My Tikka .243 has a twist that measures closer to 11 than the listed 10. It shoots crazy good with the 70 grain Nosler BT and I was thinking the 77 Scenar might work well too.
Pat, one thing I noticed about the 155's and shooting them out to a 1000, their BC holds true.
Eric S. at Berger measured them to be less but I don't think he's ever shot any at that distance to really know for sure. He has paper figures.
(Eric is a great guy btw)
[quote]"Lapua'ed"
Agreed.....that bullet has had the tar tested out of it....maybe more than any other bullet out there.
One thing that I believe is bullet flight characteristics can and will vary from rifle to rifle, even if the muzzle velocity is the same...rate of spin, depth of lands and grooves, bore diameters, etc. can change the dynamics of the bullet. Its really important to test each range, real world, instead of relying on a computer generated range card...for me that represents a good starting point, but finalization ends in the field/range.
Fotis, you need to read the caption under each pictures. Many are close, more are far, seldom are bullets recovered.
Damn fine pics Pat. Love the rifles and the pics. I bought a thousand of the old style 175 grain Scenars in .30 caliber. I tried them in a couple of proven .30-06 rifles. I couldn't get them to shoot worth two short hoots and sold them. I figured for the money, they would be stellar performers. I have had such good results with the Amax's that I hate to change, but I do love experimenting. Flinch
Another antelope that was "Lapua'ed" with a 250gr scenar at 3100fps. That bullet has a G1 BC of .675. It shoots pretty good way out there.
scenarshooter, what has been your experience with the 338 cal 250 Scenar. I did some extensive testing with them in 2004-05 and found them to be quite an anomaly, they dont expand on anything at any distance or velocity. obviously your 155gr 30 cal's do expand, I wonder if Lapua uses different metalurgy on the jacket of this bullet
I wonder if the large hollow area of the bullet allows for the jacket to collapse on top of the core, holding in more intact than some other cup and core bullets??? Just wondering...
anyone run these in an autoloader ? with all this killin and accuracy goin on in this thread got me thinking of trying them in an lr-308, but didn't want to spend money if they get deformed in anyway or don't feed well.
I think I'll try a few myself. That big hollow nose cavity and Pat's success with various critters at long ranges has me intrigued. Thought I'd load up some Hornady 150 gr. Interlock BT's, some 150 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips and some 155 gr. Scenars and see how they fly in the wind way out there. Time to dust off the .308's and try something new in the custom '06 anyway. Heck, might give me an excuse to rebarrel my M70 Fwt. with a better, longer barrel for such things. E
Yep- worked up a 123g Scenar load w/ RL19 for the Swede this spring. They shoot lights out- way out there. I'll be pointing them at critters this fall.
It's supposed to be a 1/8" according to the seller and he says it did slightly less than MOA with Black Hills 139gr Scenar stuff. I guess I should just start with that bullet and I'm guessing H4350?
Now if my scope would just come in, been on order for well over a month...
A couple of posters mentioned the Bergers. I wonder if the nose profile delays expansion like the Berger, might help explain the deep penetration. Assuming that they do expand instead of tumble.
They shoot great in my 308 and scenarshooter has more than enough proof they work but I would like to see a recovered bullet too. Something about shooting a target bullet into game..
Bump to ask if anyone has on-game experience (or at least ballistic media testing experience compare to other bullets) with the 123 gr Scenar at .260/6.5x55 velocities.
I think this is a cool thread, but i don't see any greta magic in the scenar bullet, other than the fact that they shoot great.
I mentioned in another post recently about so many of us being obsessed with bonded bullets, partition bullets, high sectional density bullets, and etc. It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
The real gold in this thread is scenarshooter spending so much time hunting. And obviously getting a lot of guys out there who might otherwise be hung up on whether to use the bonded, the monometal, or the partition...
I'm sure you know this, but when one starts contemplating shots at somewhere around 300 yards and beyond, then wind deflection starts to be a very real issue. One great thing about Scenar bullets (like the Berger VLDs) is that they have great aerodynamics (as indicated by ballistic coefficient), which means they drift a lot less in the wind compared to conventional lead tipped bullets. The question is how the various Scenars (like the .264" 123 gr Scenar) behave when they contact deer and elk-sized creatures.
Shooting deer at under 200 yards doesn't pose any great questions regarding bullets, ballistics, etc., so one just needs to use conventional hunting bullets. Preparing to possibly shoot animals farther than 200 yards means that a person needs to maximize the odds to being dead on target EVERY time with an effective bullet. Reducing wind drift means reducing the potential error due to variable winds and other issues.
When all of my hunting was in the woods, I didn't care about things like wind drift and bullet BC and other such issues, but if I'm going after skittish pronghorns on the open plains in public hunting areas, I want to know that everything in the shooting system, including the bullet, is going to maximize my opportunity for success.
Bump to ask if anyone has on-game experience (or at least ballistic media testing experience compare to other bullets) with the 123 gr Scenar at .260/6.5x55 velocities.
yeah this^^
I will be ordering a box of the 123gr scenars to test out on the .260 Kimber Montana. Looking to let them fly at ranges after deer season is over.
I shot a 225 lb boar hog last monday with a 123 grn Scenar from my 260 rem.The shot was 225 yrds,bullet entered just in front of his left shoulder broke the top of his spine,smashed up the right shoulder and found some lead fragments in the shield.The pig dropped at the shot.DRT! RS
It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
LMAO, and around this place soooo true. Despite having killed well over 100 head of big game before I ever found this site, I never knew it took a super premium to kill a measly little deer or antelope until I learned it here. Man, have I been enlightened!
It seems to the point that if many couldn't shoot the premium bullet of their choice, they'd stay home for fear of projectile disfunction.
LMAO, and around this place soooo true. Despite having killed well over 100 head of big game before I ever found this site, I never knew it took a super premium to kill a measly little deer or antelope until I learned it here. Man, have I been enlightened!
Bill
Just out of curiousity, do you consider "measly little deer and antelope" to be Big Game?
I'm not sure sure what qualifies Big Game to be Big Game.
Well, they fall under the big game regs. I'm curious what he considers to be "big game". I can see killing a mature buck being big game, but killing a young doe is big game?
I will be running the 155's as well in my custom M70 308 for WY lopes and possibly some Michigan deer if I head up north a bit.
Looking forward to it actually, this thread definitely helped with my decision. Through the years I have used a variety of Innerloks, Partitions, Ballistic Tips and even one Accubond - but I am hoping for big things from the Scenar!
I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters....
Urban myths and conventional "wisdom" can become "gibberish" in light of evidence presented.
Me, I'll go with the evidence and I have the utmost respect for Pat's expertise and experience.
He's a modest man and doesn't toot his own horn. Those who really know him well, tell a much different story. This man's a legend and we're fortunate, or at least were fortunate, for his input here on the Fire...
I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters....
He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there.
I've seen bullets "designed to kill animals" do considerably worse than what we are looking at here on this thread.
Not sure where the "gibberish" is either, as all I'm seeing is a good collection of dead critters....
He's got a much nicer collection of heads than I do, that's for sure. Looks like most shot with the 155 grain/.308, maybe that has a tougher jacket, it doesn't look like it in one of the photos. Also noticed that he did not recommend a couple certain weight grains, why I don't know. I don't proclaim to be an expert, I just don't understand why anyone would use a target designed bullet over a hunting designed bullet when there are so many good ones out there.
I've got a bunch loaded up with R17 for my 300 wsm... Just gotta test them. If they shoot well, they will be getting the go ahead for coues deer and possibly blak bear.
Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year...
Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough...
Not Carl, but from what I've gathered from Pat and others, the 139 gr. Scenar will hold together better than a 140 gr. VLD which seems to hold together better than the 140 gr. A-Max.
So, seems to me the choice would be based on velocity, accuracy of the individual bullet and the animal being hunted. From my experience, all three are pretty accurate.
I would agree. the 139 is without question my 6.5-06's most favorite. Wapiti is on the list this fall. My confidence is with the 139 just wanting another push for it.
I know what his Goat results looked like. Curious on the bigger bodies Mulies though.
Speaking of the apparant thin jacket on the Scenar and the way it's made, some are questioning the how and why of how it does what it does. I saw the thin jacket and the air pocket at the nose.
Lapua obviously knows how to make bullets that work and are super precise. I don't know how they do it, I'm not a bullet mfg. engineer. Maybe the jackets are bonded, maybe the lead core is a harder alloy. I don't know how they work, just that they do.
I take the evidence (consistent performance on lots of game) at face value and will use these bullets.
Partner and I shot a buck and a doe each. The bucks were definitely on the big bodied side. Impact velocity was between 2650 and 2200. No drama associated with any of it, stuff died quickly. I don't recall exact exit sizes, but I know they weren't huge. It was elkhuntingguide's considerable experiences that led me to proceed with confidence.
Thanks Carl. Yep I read his stuff as well. I feel more better now. I knew in the back of my cranial cavity the 139's were GTG. Just needed 'nuther push. Venison and 139's are hand and hand. Wapiti hide and bone matter is where I'm at right now.
Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year...
Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough...
Pointer,
My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading?
Four mule deer and a mountain goat were taken with five 139 Scenar's from my 6.5x47 last year.
I'll be using the same this year...
Though not as 'cool' of critters, my 260 will hopefully send 3 139gr Scenars into Pronghorns next month. Finally got it fixed and shooting well enough...
Pointer,
My 260 will hopefully send the 130 VLD through 2 WY pronghorns in October. Where u heading?
A bit west of Laramie. Both my neighbor and I have a buck and two doe tags. Hoping to head back this way with loaded coolers...
Good luck on your trip! You plan on taking it to KY this year as well??
Sure did. Guy didn't want to listen to me when I told him "You don't need to dial elevation for this..." on a shot that was 250 yards and at a 45 degree downhill angle. What do I know?!
He was a very smart guy, just wanted to stick to his DOPE and in some ways I can't blame him... either way he ended up with a beautiful ram and a bunch of meat.
Sure did. Guy didn't want to listen to me when I told him "You don't need to dial elevation for this..." on a shot that was 250 yards and at a 45 degree downhill angle. What do I know?!
Tanner
Ah yes, in time you will learn the subtle art of whispering to the client something like, "STOP [bleep] WITH YOUR SCOPE AND SHOOT THE [bleep] THING".
Forcefully enough to get your point across, but without coming across as such an Ahole that you lose your tip.
Why was he dialing for 250 yards anyway? Was it one of those deals where he couldn't believe it was only 250 yards....must be 400?
Glad he got it killed without too much extra drama.
Here's a pic of where he died, Kurt.... "Sporty" would definitely describe getting him out of that hole and up onto the spire seen in the pic. I came close to ending up at the bottom of that chute more than once...
Heard a couple stories of rams dying and falling off cliffs, taking tumbles so bad that they ended up with no guts inside and both horns broken off.
Originally Posted by BobinNH
That's a beautiful ram! Nice work Tanner! You do look good there.
But why would anyone dial anything for a shot at 250 yards?
How many shots, or did miss that somehow...(?)
Bob, I believe the hunter fired 3 times.... one zipped through the ribs and pretty much ended it. One must've gone high... the shot through the head entered behind and exited right under the horn, basically missing any CNS stuff.
Great pictures Tanner! I have recently started shooting the 155's in two different .308's and the accuracy is great, they don't seem to be particularly sensitive to seating depth. Varget and Lapua brass, CCI BR primers. Hopefully get to add to the "dead critters via Scenar" thread later. For now I was surprised at the pass through on mild 1/2" steel at 200yds. Velocity around 2850fps.
Looks like some sporty country and not unlike stuff I hunt occasionally right across the way from my little shack in the hills.
Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts (hope it lasts a good long time too) as life has a funny way of redirecting our best laid plans.
Caution is your friend buddy. A bad sprain turns a tough hike into a sumbitch. I've spent the night on a steep azzed, slippery snow and ice covered scree field due to one wrong step when I was in my early 20s and solo hunting the Frank Church.
You are a smart dude. just some friendly food for contemplation when you turn the headlamp off.
Looks like some sporty country and not unlike stuff I hunt occasionally right across the way from my little shack in the hills.
Enjoy the opportunity while it lasts (hope it lasts a good long time too) as life has a funny way of redirecting our best laid plans.
Caution is your friend buddy. A bad sprain turns a tough hike into a sumbitch. I've spent the night on a steep azzed, slippery snow and ice covered scree field due to one wrong step when I was in my early 20s and solo hunting the Frank Church.
You are a smart dude. just some friendly food for contemplation when you turn the headlamp off.
Happy hunting Amigo.
You said it.... Caution in those mountains is the name of the game. I have pretty good balance and some okay hiking abilities, and it still seemed to be every day that we got into some spots that were borderline dangerous/uncomfortable. I can't imagine how it'd be for a Flatlander to head up North and try to hang tough in the big granite. Getting caught out with a messed up leg (or worse) is definitely up there on my list of things to avoid. We are on the same page when it comes to that!
Here's the only things I've killed with the 155gr Scenars. Pat has said they're a little harder than VLDs and dig deeper. My experience with them is minimal but that's my impression as well.
Fairly big sow was about 125 yards at the shot. Solid heart/lung hit. She ran about 100 yards or so. VLDs don't generally exit a pig of any size, but then again, VLD shot pigs have not traveled nearly as far, if at all, as the one that I shot with the Scenar did.
Coyote was about 165 yards IIRC. DRT.
Will be using the Scenars some more this fall. Anxious to see how they do for me...
Okay thanks, sounds about like my sample of one. I didn't dig around too much for fragments but judging by the wound, pieces of the bullet made it almost all the way through.
cwh2, Thanks for the compliment on the ram, but it pales in comparison to the rams you pull! Not to mention the respect I have for you guys that do it solo...
The rifle is a GA Precision NonTypical in 260. I did upgrade to the McMillan stock and used a Rock Creek barrel to shave some weight from the Bartlein barrel they spec. Scary accurate rifle...
Here's a couple that a 139 Scenar at 3400 fps put down.
These are the first animals I've shot besides a prairie dog with the Scenar. I'd use this combo for just about anything. First one folded like he was stuck by lightning at 125 yards. Second went down after a Scenar crushed his shoulder at 350
Gobs of info and evidence that these bullets do work, and work well on game.
So, the question becomes, "Why not".
Like you, I don't understand the "Why" question...
IMHO,
DF
As a die hard fan of Accubonds I bought a 1000 count box of .308 155's for my 300 WSM's based solely upon this thread info. About to start load development.
Yes, I realize this is an old thread. Like The Word of God, the truth is timeless.
Pat, what kind of terminal performance did you see at that close of range?
The bullet was lodged under the hide on the off side. It entered the base of the neck where it joins the right shoulder, passed through that, went through the heart/lung cavity, and broke the left shoulder before stopping. It was still in one piece, and wasn't separated. He went straight down, rolled twice, and never moved. The buck absorbed all 3000 foot pounds of energy. One of the quickest kills I've ever seen.
I don't believe Scenars are bonded, but they are thicker jacketed than Berger bullets, hence as Pat said, he found the bullet. On a Berger all you find is pieces of the bullet, usually with tremendous internal damage. My boy shot a big buck with 155 Scenars at 320 yds in a 308. It exited the off side shoulder with about a 2" hole.
I have been using Sierras 120/123 gr 6.5 mm for shooting hogs and have had great results with them. I bought some 123 gr. Scenars to try and wanted to know the relative differences.
I have some Bergers but haven't gotten them to shoot in this gun, 6.5 Rem Mag. I think the neck/leade ogive length relationship is such that I can't load them far enough out to keep the bullet from being off center when they engage the rifleing.
I have been using Sierras 120/123 gr 6.5 mm for shooting hogs and have had great results with them. I bought some 123 gr. Scenars to try and wanted to know the relative differences.
About 1/2" exit, I believe the pelt is at the tannery now. Not like this, also a 123 Scenar.... the one that soured me on shooting them at coyotes/vermin.
I must ask a question, please don't go all Big Stick on me, but what makes the 155 scenar in 308 better than a 168NBT? Trying to understand the love before buying a bunch, thanks.
I must ask a question, please don't go all Big Stick on me, but what makes the 155 scenar in 308 better than a 168NBT? Trying to understand the love before buying a bunch, thanks.
You can shoot it faster and it has a higher BC. Means less drop/drift. From accounts it seems to work well on critters too. I plan on trying some in my 30-06.
I must ask a question, please don't go all Big Stick on me, but what makes the 155 scenar in 308 better than a 168NBT? Trying to understand the love before buying a bunch, thanks.
You can shoot it faster and it has a higher BC. Means less drop/drift. From accounts it seems to work well on critters too. I plan on trying some in my 30-06.
Scenar is.460 at around 2850-2900, NBT 168 is .490 at 2750-2800 I guess I should have run the numbers before asking. Guess with all the .308's in my house I need to drink the kool aid.
@ 500 yards, 5500' elevation .460 @ 2900 Drop -50.34", Wind 19.73" , energy 1330 .490 @ 2750 Drop -55.80", Wind 19.80" , energy 1340
Maybe a few others can chime in here, but I have found the 155 scenar to be closer to .490 in BC. (?) I believe it was first marketed at .508 but field testing and (I think) Litz's write up knocked it down a bit.
I have shot the 155 in 4 different 308's and two '06's and over, say the 165/168 BT, I enjoy the BC, ease of accuracy and (slightly) lower recoil of the 155.
NICE BUCK!!!!!! Lots of good animals, neat thread, Would like to try some in my 6.5X47 lapua soon to get , Been shooting berger for some time now with good resuts but cannot argue with the success by the pic' on here of the Scenar bullet
My oldest daughter Kimber (13) popped her first elk.
An Absolutely Perfect 375 yard shot (lasered), right behind the shoulder (where she was told to put the bullet) with her .308. She is pointing to the entry.
My oldest daughter Kimber (13) popped her first elk.
An Absolutely Perfect 375 yard shot (lasered), right behind the shoulder (where she was told to put the bullet) with her .308. She is pointing to the entry.
Very cool Mackay!! Congrats to Kimber!!!! Two questions: 1.(Rhetorical i guess) What's it like to hunt elk where you don't have to be a mountain climber to get at the darn things? 2. Is that a Mora knife in the exit wound picture? I think I have one just like it.
My oldest daughter Kimber (13) popped her first elk.
An Absolutely Perfect 375 yard shot (lasered), right behind the shoulder (where she was told to put the bullet) with her .308. She is pointing to the entry.
Very cool Mackay!! Congrats to Kimber!!!! Two questions: 1.(Rhetorical i guess) What's it like to hunt elk where you don't have to be a mountain climber to get at the darn things? 2. Is that a Mora knife in the exit wound picture? I think I have one just like it.
Thanks for all the congrats and Kudos!
In regards to the questions, these were taken on the face of the Lost River range, and on the slopes leading up to some of the highest peaks in Idaho. Only the late season, and cold drives them down. Normally they are WAY high up. It is not bad, but you still do some serious climbing in a day.
Yep. Moras. I managed to not have to stop and sharpen the 2 Moras I used each time. We would quarter up the animals,then sharpen the knives at the cabin. They are actually better knives than their price might indicate. It is only an opinion, but I think they are probably the best value in knives on the market today. Kimber has one for her pack as well.
7mm 150grn Scenar L launched at ~2900fps from my rebarreled 8" twist 7-08AI Kimber Montana. Shot was 214yds, quartering away and uphill. Estimated impact velocity was 2575 - 2600 fps. Exit wound visible in this pic:
Bullet hit below centerline on rib cage behind right shoulder:
Took out both lungs and (I think) the top of the heart before exiting through the offside shoulder. Entire chest cavity was liquified, don't know how that buck ran like that but he did - for about 60 yds and literally fell over dead.
Bullet hit below centerline on rib cage behind right shoulder.....
Took out both lungs and (I think) the top of the heart before exiting through the offside shoulder. Entire chest cavity was liquified, don't know how that buck ran like that but he did - for about 60 yds and literally fell over dead.
David
Because they will with lung hits....no matter what you use. There is no such thing as reliable DRT's with lung hits. The more game you shoot,the more you will see it.
Bullet hit below centerline on rib cage behind right shoulder.....
Took out both lungs and (I think) the top of the heart before exiting through the offside shoulder. Entire chest cavity was liquified, don't know how that buck ran like that but he did - for about 60 yds and literally fell over dead.
David
Because they will with lung hits....no matter what you use. There is no such thing as reliable DRT's with lung hits. The more game you shoot,the more you will see it.
Nice shot.
Bob,
Certainly I've shot a slew of deer and untold numbers of feral pigs that ran with lungs popped. I understand they do that.
I have just never seen destruction in the chest cavity like this before. Gutting the animal, the entire chest cavity was liquified, rolled over and it poured out! The buck literally stopped receiving oxygenated blood the instant the bullet hit.
The 60yds wasn't a full bore sprint. At the shot he hunched and jumped, bounced a couple times (mule deer bunny hops), then dropped into a fast walk/slow run up the rocky hill side till he fell over. I got back on him pretty quick and almost put another round in him, but I could see the blood pouring out his mouth and nose even at 6x and about 250yds.
That sort of internal destruction is typical of thin-jacketed "target" bullets at what might be called conventional ranges. Have seen it many times with such bullets. Contrary to what some people say about the internal damage from TSX's and other monometal "petal" type bullets, the internal damage from Bergers, Scenars, MatchKings, etc. is normally far greater, so much more extensive you have to see it to believe it.
I once saw the heart of a big red stag, about the size of a mature cow elk, turned into a long flap of flesh no more than a half-inch thick by a 168-grain Berger Hunting VLD. The only reason it was even recognizable as the heart was the surface tissue--and the stag was shot at 250 yards with a .30-06, so bullet velocity at impact wasn't exceptionally fast.
That sort of internal destruction is typical of thin-jacketed "target" bullets at what might be called conventional ranges. Have seen it many times with such bullets. Contrary to what some people say about the internal damage from TSX's and other monometal "petal" type bullets, the internal damage from Bergers, Scenars, MatchKings, etc. is normally far greater, so much more extensive you have to see it to believe it.
I once saw the heart of a big red stag, about the size of a mature cow elk, turned into a long flap of flesh no more than a half-inch thick by a 168-grain Berger Hunting VLD. The only reason it was even recognizable as the heart was the surface tissue--and the stag was shot at 250 yards with a .30-06, so bullet velocity at impact wasn't exceptionally fast.
This was my first kill with a Scenar. I've been shooting them a while, they are very accurate in everything I shoot, just hadn't decided to use them for hunting till this year. I'm sure some folks will feel like they are excessively destructive, but I was very pleased with the performance and plan to use them next year as well.
Yep, I don't mind the destruction caused by such bullets either, because on average they kill quicker than harder bullets--though "on average" must be emphasized. But have seen a higher percentage of instant drops from lung shots with target-type hollow-points than with conventional hunting bullets.
The damage does take a while to get used to, since it's normally greater around the exit hole than the entrance hole, which is the opposite of "conventional" expanding bullets. But the massive damage also means you can put the bullet somewhat further behind the shoulder and still get quick kills.
Yep, I don't mind the destruction caused by such bullets either, because on average they kill quicker than harder bullets--though "on average" must be emphasized. But have seen a higher percentage of instant drops from lung shots with target-type hollow-points than with conventional hunting bullets.
The damage does take a while to get used to, since it's normally greater around the exit hole than the entrance hole, which is the opposite of "conventional" expanding bullets. But the massive damage also means you can put the bullet somewhat further behind the shoulder and still get quick kills.
The Scenars have replaced just about every other bullet on my reloading bench.....
Yep, I don't mind the destruction caused by such bullets either, because on average they kill quicker than harder bullets--though "on average" must be emphasized. But have seen a higher percentage of instant drops from lung shots with target-type hollow-points than with conventional hunting bullets.
The damage does take a while to get used to, since it's normally greater around the exit hole than the entrance hole, which is the opposite of "conventional" expanding bullets. But the massive damage also means you can put the bullet somewhat further behind the shoulder and still get quick kills.
The Scenars have replaced just about every other bullet on my reloading bench.....
I'm getting there! Absolutely easy to load. Shooting them in a handful of different guns now
These days the .308 is boring and pedestrian to the vast majority of shooters.
That said, it is by far the one I reach for, more often than not, for everything from coyotes to mule deer and elk. It continues to kill stuff with ease, and has to be the single easiest cartridge I have ever played with when it comes to producing accurate handloads.
I shot a nice 6 pt. bull, and my son (13) shot a 202 inch mule deer with the 308 and 155 grain scenar this year. Both were shot 1 time through the lungs, and both tipped over dead in less that 5 seconds. Very nice results.
Yesterday I zeroed my 20" .308 T3 Lite that I dropped into a laminate stock, after CDI did their magic.
5 shot groups were about as good as I can expect with a lightweight gun. I am holding a 230 grain .45 acp for scale, and the dot is a 3/4" garage sale dot.
I had brought along my Sako TRG to see how the 155 Scenar/Varget.
Carl, nice bucks. My 10year old shot a buck last week that grossed 172.Gotta love the really high country. We were still in the snow from the labor day storm. No scenars though, 105 hybrids. Killed him in his bed.
Tanner, That's a real good sheep, I remember back in the 1950s and 60s, I could run up and down those mountains like a jackrabbit,sadly those day's are over forever for me. Rio7
Here are a couple of mine. Both with the 123gr Scenar out of a 256 Newton. Neither one went far. It was fun having the little guy along for the antelope. Grandpa even got in the pic, at least part of his thumb did. 😎
I lost some of my pics on Photobucket? 123 grain Scenar at an impact velocity of about 2700. Entrance looked about like a berger, the first lung had about 1.5" hole through it, the second lung was about gone with this exit hole.
260 AI Borden Alpine. Exit hole was about fist size.
50 yards, 139 Scenar at 2750 via his mom's .260 CTR. Hot was mid-ship back of both lungs, she made a 50 yard death sprintvthen piled up. Lungs were toast and the liver was literally ripped in half.
50 yards, 139 Scenar at 2750 via his mom's .260 CTR. Hot was mid-ship back of both lungs, she made a 50 yard death sprintvthen piled up. Lungs were toast and the liver was literally ripped in half.
Thanks guys, had a lot of help. Thank God for a grassy strip down most of that mountain, and I had on tough rail rider pants.......I slid most of the way on my rump with the meat load.
Thanks guys, had a lot of help. Thank God for a grassy strip down most of that mountain, and I had on tough rail rider pants.......I slid most of the way on my rump with the meat load.
Very nice pictures in this thread! Scenar is supposed to be a target shooting bullet but it seems that it is also effective on game. I have not used Scenar bullets but I have started to use Lapua Naturalis which is their line of lead-free hunting bullets.
I created a thread in the reloading forum for it and asked for members to share their experience:
Here's my first Elk - in fact an Asian 'Maral' from Kazakhstan. Shot with a 139gr Scenar from my 6.5 Creedmoor at ~590 yards. The bullet went through the back of the heart and exited. The animal went 20 yards and collapsed.
As you can see he broke a top off falling about 150 yards down the hill (but I've got the pieces!).
Here's my first Elk - in fact an Asian 'Maral' from Kazakhstan. Shot with a 139gr Scenar from my 6.5 Creedmoor at ~590 yards. The bullet went through the back of the heart and exited. The animal went 20 yards and collapsed.
As you can see he broke a top off falling about 150 yards down the hill (but I've got the pieces!).
Great write up, awe inspiring pictures - thanks for the link!
Two Questions:
1) What did you do with the meat? Were you able to bring any home? That would seem to be the only downside to a trip like that, bringing meat home could be potentially very expensive if allowed.
2) What made you pursue a hunting trip there? Perhaps work related, oil & gas industry?
To answer your questions: 1) We butchered all the meat on-site, bagged it up and took it back to camp, where we ate quite a bit, and the rest went to the guides' families.
2) Kazakhstan has become quite a major hunting destination, as it has vast areas of wilderness and a pretty effective wildlife programme. There are a number of international outfitters operating there, with the main trophies being Asiatic Elk (Maral) and Ibex, but also some sheep and bear hunting. My personal reason for going was a hunting trip to the Altai back in 1990 (for Asiatic Roe), where I first saw the enormous Elk trophies. I swore then that if I ever returned it would be to try for an Elk.
That is a very neat hunt in an exotic place. There is a lot of adventure and a different cultural experience associated with hunting some place like that.
Here's my first Elk - in fact an Asian 'Maral' from Kazakhstan. Shot with a 139gr Scenar from my 6.5 Creedmoor at ~590 yards. The bullet went through the back of the heart and exited. The animal went 20 yards and collapsed.
As you can see he broke a top off falling about 150 yards down the hill (but I've got the pieces!).
My goal, and regret, whilst living in Kazakhstan for 2 1/2 years. I just needed to head home whenever I could get away.
To answer your questions: 1) We butchered all the meat on-site, bagged it up and took it back to camp, where we ate quite a bit, and the rest went to the guides' families.
2) Kazakhstan has become quite a major hunting destination, as it has vast areas of wilderness and a pretty effective wildlife programme. There are a number of international outfitters operating there, with the main trophies being Asiatic Elk (Maral) and Ibex, but also some sheep and bear hunting. My personal reason for going was a hunting trip to the Altai back in 1990 (for Asiatic Roe), where I first saw the enormous Elk trophies. I swore then that if I ever returned it would be to try for an Elk.
Kazakhstan is near the top of my list of elk hunts I'd like to go on.
Few years back I guided a trio of Germans/Austrian who were elk hunting loonies, they had pics and great stories of hunting there.
The pictures of her with her animals is very refreshing. Her smile is great in contrast to so many grown men I've seen that can't seem to muster even a smirk. I never have understood that. Too, her desire to hunt & shoot is also very inspiring for those of us who have no male offspring. It takes a bit more effort to entice the girls which are more apt to show disinterest in the shooting sports than boys.
This has been a fun thread to read through. Got my .308 coming, and some 155 scenars. IN allows 6 mm and .30 cal rifles for deer now, so the .308 will get used...
I am not opposed to a 308 by any stretch. But, it is just hard for me to wrap my head around its capability at range with no more speed than it produces.
CFE223 will get you close to 2950 in a 24" with a 155. Not so slow really. I expect PP2000MR would even do better as 2800 with 180 class bullets is pretty easy w PP2000
Shot this 100ish pound pig this weekend in Alabama with a 150grn ScenarL at 2900fps out of my 7mm-08Improved. Pig was about a 100yds, quartering slightly away. Made soup out of the lungs, broke the far shoulder and exited. Pig ran about 25yds through dense planted pines, left a trail of blood that looked like multiple spray paint cans had blown up in the woods! Continue to be impress with the 150 ScenarL's!
The other sow cut and ran before I got a shot off - the litter of piglets scattered like pool balls on a hard break!
I got this one at about 25yds as he foolishly charged the stand:
I'll play - very busy at work all through hunting season this year and barely got out to hunt. Day after Thanksgiving I had a very short hunt - had just parked the truck and was trying to decide where to go for a walk when this guy walked up before I had a chance to get my gear together. Tikka T3x Forest w/ Burris C4 Plus 3-9x40 / 30mm, 6.5 Swede and 139 Scenar - first game taken with a Swede and Scenar. 40 yard shot, tight behind shoulder and exited breaking offside shoulder. Exit hole was small - could just work a finger into it, lungs were completely liquefied and top of heart was gone. Did the typical run 30-40 yds and tipped over.
Just wrapped a 7 day labor intensive load development session. The result was quite a treat.
Remington 700 308 Winchester Sako Black 85 308 Winchester Both of these guns group the 155 Scenar exactly the same, 1 ragged hole, to the same point of impact at the same velocity, 2900 fps. The guns could be swapped and the target would look the same.
Borden 300 WSM 155 Scenar @ 3250 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Not as tight as I prefer but it doesn't do any worse. 150 Accubond @ 3285 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Both shoot same point of impact. Loads can be swapped with no change in point of impact.
I am actually pretty pleased all things considered. The Borden is wearing a Swarovski with turrets. It'll be my Antelope rig next time out.
DirtFarmer tells me that MOA is good enough. In fact, most of you discerning shooters tell me the same. I have had a hard time settling with MOA. I mush prefer 1/2 of that. ScenarShooter leaves us no doubt the bullet will perform. I am looking very forward to finding out first hand.
Just wrapped a 7 day labor intensive load development session. The result was quite a treat.
Remington 700 308 Winchester Sako Black 85 308 Winchester Both of these guns group the 155 Scenar exactly the same, 1 ragged hole, to the same point of impact at the same velocity, 2900 fps. The guns could be swapped and the target would look the same.
Borden 300 WSM 155 Scenar @ 3250 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Not as tight as I prefer but it doesn't do any worse. 150 Accubond @ 3285 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Both shoot same point of impact. Loads can be swapped with no change in point of impact.
I am actually pretty pleased all things considered. The Borden is wearing a Swarovski with turrets. It'll be my Antelope rig next time out.
DirtFarmer tells me that MOA is good enough. In fact, most of you discerning shooters tell me the same. I have had a hard time settling with MOA. I mush prefer 1/2 of that. ScenarShooter leaves us no doubt the bullet will perform. I am looking very forward to finding out first hand.
Just wrapped a 7 day labor intensive load development session. The result was quite a treat.
Remington 700 308 Winchester Sako Black 85 308 Winchester Both of these guns group the 155 Scenar exactly the same, 1 ragged hole, to the same point of impact at the same velocity, 2900 fps. The guns could be swapped and the target would look the same.
Borden 300 WSM 155 Scenar @ 3250 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Not as tight as I prefer but it doesn't do any worse. 150 Accubond @ 3285 fps, MOA @ 100 yards. Both shoot same point of impact. Loads can be swapped with no change in point of impact.
I am actually pretty pleased all things considered. The Borden is wearing a Swarovski with turrets. It'll be my Antelope rig next time out.
DirtFarmer tells me that MOA is good enough. In fact, most of you discerning shooters tell me the same. I have had a hard time settling with MOA. I mush prefer 1/2 of that. ScenarShooter leaves us no doubt the bullet will perform. I am looking very forward to finding out first hand.
Has another scope been tried on the Borden?
No sir. The scope is brand new. It's the Swarovski Sheep Hunter 3.5-18 Z5. It has roughly 80 shots on it. The powder charge is 64.5 VV 550. It shoots both bullets equally. What are you thinking?
300 mag, non heavy duty scope, maybe things move around inside a little shot to shot. Scopes don't always go all or nothing. One symptom is known good rifles shooting groups larger than they should.
300 mag, non heavy duty scope, maybe things move around inside a little shot to shot. Scopes don't always go all or nothing. One symptom is known good rifles shooting groups larger than they should.
I appreciate that input. Never really considered that. I always expect my junk to shoot 1 ragged hole in the end. Aggregate group from 3 powder charges, 2 bullets was 1.5". For now it'll just have to be acceptable. My shooting range is a 45 mile round trip. Been there for the last 7 or so days. Need a break.
As to the non heavy duty scope, I plan to move that optic to my 280 AI soon. It's running 140's at 3200 fps. Shouldn't be a tough load for that scope.
What's your recommendation for a worthy optic on the 300?
Mostly 139's, one 136, and a few 155's. Photobucket ate my pics from previous pages. This is probably most of them, other than some antelope and a few elk and deer that buddies shot with my rifles on loan.
Snowy Mountaineer, I can see you have a lot of experience killing game with Scenars... have you found any difference, performance-wise on game, between the regular one and the "Scenar L"?
SnowyMoutaineer those are some nice trophies you’ve gathered up. Looking like that Scenar must work on game once in awhile😁. Nice photos thanks for posting. Congrats
Pretty buck with nice mass. What kind of terminal performance did you see?
Hit him mid-way in the shoulder ( just above and to the left of the leaf on him ). Penciled in, shredded part of the heart and made a golf ball size exit out of the oft-side. He dropped like the proverbial sack of hammers.
Snowy Mountaineer, I can see you have a lot of experience killing game with Scenars... have you found any difference, performance-wise on game, between the regular one and the "Scenar L"?
Thank you!
The only L I have shot game with is the 136. I killed a mule deer buck at 590 yds with a 260ai. It seemed more explosive than the 139; first shot was in the boiler room but did very little vital damage. Second shot punched through to the heart/lungs and put him down but did not exit. Most of my 139 kills have exited. I quit using the 136 but I'd give the .284 150 L a whirl if I still had a small-medium 7. It shot well in the 7-08 I had but I never hunted it.
I have a little injury and have been in the house all day, I have wondered about these bullets and read the whole thread, ouch !! A few thoughts and observations: I had no doubt about the accuracy but I am surprised at what shows to be both good penetration up close and good expansion at distance with such consistency. This consistent part is what has peaked my interest because I have used bullets that would do quite well but the next time maybe not so good. But this thread is about 7 years running and yet the same people like them during that time span, that speaks volumes! Therefore I will be trying these in the 6.5 Creedmoor this year, maybe in my 264 and 308 as well. Thanks, great info !
. This consistent part is what has peaked my interest because I have used bullets that would do quite well but the next time maybe not so good. But this thread is about 7 years running and yet the same people like them during that time span, that speaks volumes! Therefore I will be trying these in the 6.5 Creedmoor this year, maybe in my 264 and 308 as well. Thanks, great info !
The 155 Scenars run 2900 fps in two of my 308’s @ 1/2 moa
The Lapua Scenars seem to be decent target / hunting bullet. Not the greatest ballistic coefficient projectile, but the scenars produce great accuracy and easy to load for. Myself I’m currently using the 6.5 mm 136’s and 7mm 180’s.
I sure hope the 155’s still work because I’ve got them shooting crazy tight groups in my 06. Will be used for all critters in Colorado this coming year. Only bummer is that the BC’s originally advertised for this bullet are actually quite a bit lower but with the accuracy I’m getting from them it’s hard to think twice.
Maybe not the highest BC but looks like a great combination of a HIGH BC and terminal performance !
They have really good BCs in light-for-caliber bullets like the .308 155 and .264 123. Which are just the ticket for mild cartridges like the .308 and .260.
I just finished working with 155 scenars in my 308 win 20" barrel. 46.5grs. Varget, Winchester case, .020" OTL / 2.804" . Only getting 2760 avg speed. They are shooting great so far. However, 155 Sierra Palma 2156 shoot same POI and speeds.
Their is another higher node at 47.8grs, but its full to the top of neck. Speed is around 2840 fps. The 46.5 shoots best for mid range stuff.
Color me confused. I've shot a bunch of these through my .308, 26" barrel, 46.5 gr of Varget. Forget speed right now, but great little groups. One deer had no lungs and guts blown out of a hole in the bottom. The next deer I shot fell instantly, about 30 seconds apart, almost same shot placement. An antelope this year was shot through the lungs, a little on the back end and blew her guts out all over the place. Both were recovered, but I hate seeing them run a little bit with guts hanging out, then lay down and not present a shot. Not sure what I'm doing wrong of if I just have some bad luck. I've got two boxes of 1000, tips look different, one is a wider aperture than the other.few I've reached out to Kevin at Nammo/Lapua and he originally said he'd send the pics to his guys in Sweden, but hasn't been heard from since, despite a few reminder emails. I may be selling quite a few here shortly, although they are fun to practice with as they are great target punchers.
I just finished working with 155 scenars in my 308 win 20" barrel. 46.5grs. Varget, Winchester case, .020" OTL / 2.804" . Only getting 2760 avg speed. They are shooting great so far. However, 155 Sierra Palma 2156 shoot same POI and speeds.
Their is another higher node at 47.8grs, but its full to the top of neck. Speed is around 2840 fps. The 46.5 shoots best for mid range stuff.
I am loading 155 Scenars over 48.5 gr Varget at 2900 fps using Lapua cases in my 308’s.
I have a 16" barreled 308 on the way, will be trying to get at least 2700 fps with Varget, Lapua cases and BR-2 primers, hope to see firsthand the job these Scenars do to deer and pigs later this year.
I shot him with my .260 at 220 yards, the bullet was a 123 and should have been travelling about 2,650 fps. The entrance was tiny and hard to find, and here is the exit, about 2 1/2". Lungs were jell-o:
Just out of curiosity, have any of you tried ELD-M to compare? I have a personal bias toward Hornady, likely because I can buy quality loaded ammo reasonably. I'd be curious how they compare. These Scenars are definitely getting my attention though. I'd be curious how penetration compares. I have to imagine a 147 ELD would be very similar to the 139. And a 155/168 ELD would compare similarly to the 155 Scenar?
139 scenar at 2850 mv...impact was 458 yard which should have been right at 2275 FPS and 1600 foot pounds of energy. Shot was middle of ribs. Bullet diameter entrance, baseball sized exit hole. Lungs were complete jello. Antelope ran about 100 yards and died.
6.5 Swede 123 gr Scenar factory loaded Lapua About 2700 fps MV. Shot was 125 yards. Behind the near shoulder exit the back of the off shoulder. Tiny entrance 2" exit. Everything in between was chopped up. Ran about 20 yards.
Between my wife, son, and I, we took 4 big game animals with a 139 scenar at 2860 FPS MV. The bullet absolutely hammered them - This bullet is my go to now in the 6.5.
My antelope was shot at 458 yards - hit in the lungs - bullet made a baseball sized exit hole - antelope ran 100 yards and died. My sons buck was 312 yards - shot cliped the top of the shoulder blade, broke back, exited and deer dropped right there. My wifes buck was about 40 yard shot - mid lungs, baseball sized exit hole - entire lungs was jello. Deer dropped instantly. My buck was shot at about 240 ish yards - bullet crushed through both shoulders and exited...as you can see from the pics, great penetration. Deer ran about 30-40 yards and died.
I have no doubt this bullet would hammer a big bull - I just never got a shot at one this fall.
I also knocked off two coyotes with the scenar - but I never went up to examine them - but they both died on the spot.
My cobbled up Tikka T3x .260Rem CTR likes the 136gr Scenars better. How is on game compared to the 139gr Scenars? I will be using it for antelope this fall in Wyoming.
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
The picture of the shooting sticks got me to thinking. I used them in S. Africa. Then, just this year I had two opportunities at Mulies in the 270-315 range that I simply could not create a stable platform to take a shot. Rocks and brush in front of me and trees in my line of sight made it a challenge. Being on a moderate downhill slope, shooting to an opposite slope, along with the bushes and grass ruled out prone. Probably could have made kneeling work but some branches were in the way. Anyway, some sticks would have really been handy if I’m being honest. (And a lot more field shooting...) Primarily because sticks are so fast to set up, and then quickly shift if necessary. I need to look into combining walking sticks as shooting sticks.
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
I just hate it when poor shot placement and inferior bullet performance lead to a wounded animal who has to be tracked a long way...
Seriously, thanks for the informative post and especially the picture of what the bullet did.
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
Good stuff. That seems pretty hot for a 140-class bullet. What powder are you using in that load?
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
Toldjaso...grin....
Good run man! Congrats again.
U sure did bud! Having Shaen throat the PRC for them as well.
So far 4 for 4 with the 139 Scenar and man I love this bullet! 6.5 creed pushing it at 2870fps. Did a short number on a Wyoming mulie, 2 Texas whitetails and a Texas hog. Excellent penetration and awesome expansion.
Good stuff. That seems pretty hot for a 140-class bullet. What powder are you using in that load?
Cool. I’ve got a crazy accurate load with these in my 6.5 PRC and based on the many testimonials here I am willing to give up the wee bit of BC advantages of the Hornadys for a bullet that will hold together better and exit.
Cool. I’ve got a crazy accurate load with these in my 6.5 PRC and based on the many testimonials here I am willing to give up the wee bit of BC advantages of the Hornadys for a bullet that will hold together better and exit.
I’ve long been a fan of that theory. Exact reason I use them as much as I do....
5 scenars 5 dead critters so far this year with a couple more tags left....Antelope with 139 scenar at 2800fps , others with a 150 scenar -L at 3150 FPS ranges from 75-455 yards...this makes 19 critters killed in the last 5 years with these bullets by me and my family...absolute bone crushers.
After 6 long days of looking for a decent buck to no avail I filled the freezer with a young buck. 139 Scenar out of a 6.5 PRC did the job just fine. 190 yards , shot high in the neck (didn’t want to damage any meat) but not quite an ear hole because I knew they had to check for CWD. The scenar severed the spine and kept on going. They shoot oh sooo good for me.
My next endeavor with the scenar will be of the 220 grain variety out of the 300 RUM...My son has a late trophy desert elk tag here in Idaho that opens Dec1...Time to put the smack down on a big bull.
My next endeavor with the scenar will be of the 220 grain variety out of the 300 RUM...My son has a late trophy desert elk tag here in Idaho that opens Dec1...Time to put the smack down on a big bull.
That’s one of my favorite combos for accuracy in my 300 RUM. That bullet at 3050 worked well on a few deer last year. Never got the chance to try it on an elk though.
Can anyone comment on the lowest impact velocity that the 155 grain bullet has worked well at?
I will try and find the specific pic of the exit wounds, but I put two 155s through this goat at 507 and 515 yards from a 308win. Expansion and penetration were as hoped for w/ significant internal damage. So... maybe 2050-2100 fps?
Goat was quartering away for both shots. After the first, he ran a few steps and turned the opposite way. These are the exits and bullet paths made a perfect cross through the vitals.
Goat was quartering away for both shots. After the first, he ran a few steps and turned the opposite way. These are the exits and bullet paths made a perfect cross through the vitals.
Does anyone have pictures of caught scenars in game? I am guessing they don't mushroom like a classic bullet based on their construction. It sounds like they are a pretty hard core bullet that doesn't fragment like a Berger. So, just trying to figure out the magic in these.
I have been loading the 155s in a new 308 and they shoot well. I am shooting into a cardboard box with very thick cardboard, with two layers about a foot apart. Nosler BTs, ABs, and PTs will almost always have some small lead shrapnel around the hole in the second layer as the bullet starts to open up after going through the first layer of cardboard. I noticed that the scenars do not do this. Maybe after the hollow front is blown off the flat front wadcutter ripping through creates enough trauma?
I can't comment on that bullet through personal experience, but seeing how the 155's in the same diameter work at reasonable velocity, I'd give it a go.
Another 139LS recovered from this 6X6 taken by my wife with one shot at 460 yards, a couple years ago. She used my 6.5 PRC. Muzzle velocity is 3080fps with that load.
I don't own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but I have two 6.5 PRC's, and they both really deliver. My latest PRC is a lightweight build that weighs 7.5lbs all up, including the suppressor. It has a 20" barrel, and produces 3000fps with the 139LS, using R26. I'll be using it this spring for black bear, and next fall for everything.
I can't comment on that bullet through personal experience, but seeing how the 155's in the same diameter work at reasonable velocity, I'd give it a go.
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
I can't comment on that bullet through personal experience, but seeing how the 155's in the same diameter work at reasonable velocity, I'd give it a go.
Thanks for the info. It looks like 155 Scenar were discontinued and replaced with 155 Scenar L. I’ve read they are the same bullet but held to higher tolerances. Is there any on game performance difference that you or anyone else knows of?
I found a good load the other day and when I checked my box of bullets they are the standard non L Scenar. Hoping the L will shoot just like the standard Scenar
I just ordered 300 qty 155 Scenars from Powder Valley... w/ shipping added up to $45 per 100.
I just did that same, that means I’ll have about 380 of the original Scenar that my rifle likes. Then I can look into the Scenar L a next season. Thanks for the info!
I just ordered 300 qty 155 Scenars from Powder Valley... w/ shipping added up to $45 per 100.
I just did that same, that means I’ll have about 380 of the original Scenar that my rifle likes. Then I can look into the Scenar L a next season. Thanks for the info!
You bet... like you, I’ve got approx another 80 on hand, not to mention 500qty 6.5 139’s that I don’t even have a rifle for!
I just ordered 300 qty 155 Scenars from Powder Valley... w/ shipping added up to $45 per 100.
I just did that same, that means I’ll have about 380 of the original Scenar that my rifle likes. Then I can look into the Scenar L a next season. Thanks for the info!
You bet... like you, I’ve got approx another 80 on hand, not to mention 500qty 6.5 139’s that I don’t even have a rifle for!
I might be interested in the 139’s if he’s not. PM ME
I just ordered 300 qty 155 Scenars from Powder Valley... w/ shipping added up to $45 per 100.
I just did that same, that means I’ll have about 380 of the original Scenar that my rifle likes. Then I can look into the Scenar L a next season. Thanks for the info!
You bet... like you, I’ve got approx another 80 on hand, not to mention 500qty 6.5 139’s that I don’t even have a rifle for!
I might be interested in the 139’s if he’s not. PM ME
I don't own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but I have two 6.5 PRC's, and they both really deliver. My latest PRC is a lightweight build that weighs 7.5lbs all up, including the suppressor. It has a 20" barrel, and produces 3000fps with the 139LS, using R26. I'll be using it this spring for black bear, and next fall for everything.
Will be watching for the thread on your new rifle!
How do les the scenar hold up if hitting bone? Just ordered a couple hundred 139’s to try out in my 6.5 tikka. I have a bunch of RL-16 and RL-26 to play with.
Does anyone have experience with 155 Scenar expansion between 1800-1950 FPS?
I’m going to try to test it out on ballistic gell but wanted to see if anyone has on game experience from 1800-1950 FPS
I shot a cow two seasons ago at 615 yards using my 20" Broadside shot. Entered the shoulder and was caught in the offside hide. Velocity was under 1900 according to my dope card. Worked perfectly fine as always.
Does anyone have experience with 155 Scenar expansion between 1800-1950 FPS?
I’m going to try to test it out on ballistic gell but wanted to see if anyone has on game experience from 1800-1950 FPS
I shot a cow two seasons ago at 615 yards using my 20" Broadside shot. Entered the shoulder and was caught in the offside hide. Velocity was under 1900 according to my dope card. Worked perfectly fine as always.
Thanks for the info! Once I have a few more post, this forum will allow me to PM you. Have a few additional questions about Scenars at long range
Mackay, I pmd you about your 20" velocities. Anyone else shoot these out of a ~20ish inch barrel? I'm planning on loading some up for my 18" (closer to 19") Gunsite Scout, and am hoping to get to 2800fps with decent accuracy.
My 18" 30-06 lobs the 155 scenar out at a rather pedestrian 2800 or slightly lower. Super accurate and killed a good bull at 400 yards. Bought 300 of the Lapua 155 L version for $39.99 per 100 recently. Expect same out of them. Sure I am leaving speed on the table but I just add clicks as needed.
Mackay, I pmd you about your 20" velocities. Anyone else shoot these out of a ~20ish inch barrel? I'm planning on loading some up for my 18" (closer to 19") Gunsite Scout, and am hoping to get to 2800fps with decent accuracy.
2825fps is what I’m seeing out of a 20” 308 with the 155...
It's incredible what those Scenar's will do. I ordered a bunch of em in 155 and 167. Can't wait to do some load development on my 308. Any thoughts on the 155 through 300wm?
It's incredible what those Scenar's will do. I ordered a bunch of em in 155 and 167. Can't wait to do some load development on my 308. Any thoughts on the 155 through 300wm?
For the .308, Varget is great, around 46-47 grains with the 155.
Forgive me if this is common knowledge but I have had some success with the 155 scenar, but see that it is discontinued. Can I expect the scenar-L to perform the same? As I understand it’s the same bullet with tighter tolerances. Can anyone confirm?
It's incredible what those Scenar's will do. I ordered a bunch of em in 155 and 167. Can't wait to do some load development on my 308. Any thoughts on the 155 through 300wm?
For the .308, Varget is great, around 46-47 grains with the 155.
The 105 scenar is a stout bullet. Too stout for me.
I used it all last year out of a 6mm creedmoor on 7 deer and antelope and a bunch of coyotes. Expect runners if you don't catch shoulder bone. I had several whitetail run over 100 yards with solid double lungs.
I imagine the 6br will be as bad or worse. Its a shame because my 6br shoots them amazingly well.
The 105 scenar is a stout bullet. Too stout for me.
I used it all last year out of a 6mm creedmoor on 7 deer and antelope and a bunch of coyotes. Expect runners if you don't catch shoulder bone. I had several whitetail run over 100 yards with solid double lungs.
I imagine the 6br will be as bad or worse. Its a shame because my 6br shoots them amazingly well.
You must have forgotten to add the Pixie Dust to your powder charges.
Dude270, We use the 105 Gr. Scenar with 41.6 Gr. H-4350 at about 3050 FPS, To cull White Tails, and have no problems with runners, unless we screw up the shot, I would bet you are gut shooting the deer you shoot, and blaming it on the bullet, PLUS 105 Gr. Scenar is not a fur friendly predator bullet. MY B.S. Meter is Running Over. Rio 7
It's incredible what those Scenar's will do. I ordered a bunch of em in 155 and 167. Can't wait to do some load development on my 308. Any thoughts on the 155 through 300wm?
For the .308, Varget is great, around 46-47 grains with the 155.
48.5 gr’s gets 2900 with Varget in my 22” 308
That's a stout load!
In around a dozen 308's I've never loaded beyond 47.0 Varget with a 150, but I'm pretty conservative as a handloader.
In around a dozen 308's I've never loaded beyond 47.0 Varget with a 150, but I'm pretty conservative as a handloader.
Yeah, it likely is. I plan to back it down during the off season soon. Though it is phenomenally accurate the speed is not necessary, especially since I have my 300 WSM’s for that. And, it will save me from the extended effort trying to stuff that much powder in it. I thunk I will keep it just above 2800.
Dude270, We use the 105 Gr. Scenar with 41.6 Gr. H-4350 at about 3050 FPS, To cull White Tails, and have no problems with runners, unless we screw up the shot, I would bet you are gut shooting the deer you shoot, and blaming it on the bullet, PLUS 105 Gr. Scenar is not a fur friendly predator bullet. MY B.S. Meter is Running Over. Rio 7
Rio7
I recovered every animal i shot and looked at their vitals when gutting them. Not one was gut shot.
On tight behind the shoulder shots it looked like you poked a knitting needle through the first lung, the 2nd would show some bullet expansion with an exit around the size of a quarter a 50 cent piece. Once they began to expand they did fine but they were halfway through the deer before they did.
Shoulder shots through bone started the expansion sooner, but we eat shoulders so I prefer behind the shoulder placement
I've used the 30 cal 155, 6.5 139 and 123 with wonderful results
The 6mm 105 was the first I saw this behavior. As I said, the shoulder shot stuff died very quickly. It was the double lung rib shot stuff that surprised me with the 100 yard death runs. They left decent blood from the exit side to follow. I was just shocked because I've never seen one that caught a 105 amax or 108 eld go more than 30 yards.
In around a dozen 308's I've never loaded beyond 47.0 Varget with a 150, but I'm pretty conservative as a handloader.
Yeah, it likely is. I plan to back it down during the off season soon. Though it is phenomenally accurate the speed is not necessary, especially since I have my 300 WSM’s for that. And, it will save me from the extended effort trying to stuff that much powder in it. I thunk I will keep it just above 2800.
I like the way you think.
Yes, I think the 308 is 2,820 +/- with a 150/155 on the upper end with a 22" bbl and Varget.
Rio, I live and hunt Texas too. Kill lots of stuff every year. Had luck with the 6.5 123’s so I bought 1K 6mm 105’s back in the fall from PV. Unfortunately I’ve had the same issues as Dude on 6 or 8 pigs running. Hit in the neck or shoulder they go down, heart/lung shot they run 100 yds or so. From your experience I’m guessing these Bullets are inconsistent in their performance on game
Rio, I live and hunt Texas too. Kill lots of stuff every year. Had luck with the 6.5 123’s so I bought 1K 6mm 105’s back in the fall from PV. Unfortunately I’ve had the same issues as Dude on 6 or 8 pigs running. Hit in the neck or shoulder they go down, heart/lung shot they run 100 yds or so. From your experience I’m guessing these Bullets are inconsistent in their performance on game
Interesting to hear PatB.
Don't worry though, Rio will be along to tell you are full of sheit too.
PatB, I have shot a lot of pigs with the 105 Scenar, and have no complaints, I will say i am not a big fan of trying to shoot heart and lungs on a pig, as the heart is covered by the fore leg and real low in the chest, and if you are back a couple a inch's you gut shoot them. I prefer head,neck, shoulder, if I have that shot, this is also true on Whitetails, I am not big fan of Blood trails and tracking, trying to track a poorly shot critter in the dark sucks. no matter what it is. Rio7
I agree 100% on shot placement on pigs and tracking... But sometimes an offhand shot doesn't go exactly where I anticipated and winds up behind the shoulder. Try not to shoot offhand if there's an alternative but sometimes it happens.. Anyway, good information on this thread.. .
Anybody ever recovered one of them (105’s) from game?
We caught one in a mule deer buck. It was in the far side rib. It looked like the nose sheered off and the rest looked kinda like a wadcutter. All the others exited and left nice sized exit holes
That one 6mm is the only one I've ever caught, other than some 90 grain scenars in my 10 twist 243. There was nothing to see there other than a fragged jacket. They killed fine but man, they came unglued.
I'll try to get a pic of that recovered 105. A friend of mine's father used my rifle to shoot a nice mulie in Wy last year and he has the bullet.
Interesting thing is, that's by far the biggest animal that I saw the 105 used on and he died quicker than any of them that weren't high shoulder/spine shots. I think having more body to expand in made it kill better than the same shot on pronghorn and our small VA deer.
New here but I've been following thread since the start. Last fall I started loading 6.5cr with 123sc, 264wm with 139sc and 7rm with 150g sc-l. Have taken multiple white tail through the spine. Complete clean pass through with little meat waste from mod 70 264 65g Imr 7828 139scenar. Spring black bears with 6.5 cm 44.5g 6.5 staball 123g scenar. One was at 250 yards right on front shoulder dropped stone dead no moan. Second was at 100 yards hit little far back of shoulder drug itself 10 yards and expired. Last big black bear was with sako a7 rtp 7rm loaded with 68g Imr 7828sc 150scenar-l at 75 yards. Pass through tipped over legs up finished. These scenar are so easy to develop loads for, not fussy for seating depth and are tough on game. Hopeing for chance on a moose this fall with a 284 long action mod 70 having built. It will be pushing 150 scenar-l forsure!
Assuming all Scenars are designed the same way, the 139 6.5 sure has a small hollow point. Any concern it getting battered closed from recoil in the magazine? Any observations of it "penciling through".
Might be an issue getting damaged in mag. At creed speeds it will expand forsure. I've only damaged hollowpoints trying to feed scenars from junk clip in ruger a/p. Stupid feed angle off clip. The hollow point was all mashed but still worked fine on a black bear. Top of shoulders through the spine 3" exit
What is the min impact velocity for the 155 Scenar? I found an accurate, safe lot in my 20” .308 with Lapaua brass, 41 grains of benchmark and 155 at 2.800. Multiple 5 shot groups on difference days at 1/2”-3/4” groups from the prone position. And I’m usually a 1” shooter from the prone position.
I shot some 155s into a dirt hill with an impact velocity of approx 1850 and there was little to no expansion when I dug up the bullets
Below is my ballistic chart for the 155 at 2680 FPS at 7000’ elevation (yards, FPS, impact lbs)
I have killed two cape buffalo, and I don`t think there are many critters as tough, with solid bullets, so I guess it is correct to say that a well placed shot will kill almost anything with anything,
And do it rather efficiently when the animal is completely unaware of the hunter's presence like I would normally think is the case when taking the long shots that have become so trendy these days.
With this said, and encouraged by other's success with Scenars I bought a box of 136gr Ls to test and they proved to be quite accurate at 2,830 fps in a 6,5x57R with almost no fiddling. Out of curiosity I sectioned one lengthwise to find that the jacket in the hollow section of the tip appeared to be much thicker than that in other bullets of similar design, which left me scratching my head over its expansion properties in certain conditions like not hitting bone when impacting at low speed on a small animal.
For curiosity's sake I shot a roe deer doe in the lungs at 300 yds and I could only recover it with the help of my Bavarian Mountain Bloodhound. Maybe it was just bad luck because the bullet slipped in and out the thorax barely grazing a rib, but the fact is that the doe run for 300-350 yds like unscathed. I knew the exact spot where it was standing and could only find a few hairs and a speck of blood a couple of yards behind and nothing else.
I never argue with success, but that was the only scenar I shot at an animal.
That a bummer to hear… that is one of my concerns with the 155 at sun 2000fps velocities on mule deer. But it’s pretty much the only bullet I can get my 308 to shoot well
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
Only about 12 or so critters last 2 years but always the exact same outcome. Whitetail, mule deer and 1 big hog. 6.5 creed 139 Scenar at 2870fps. All 1.5-2” clean exits. By clean I mean u could almost drop a golf ball into the hole. I have FULL confidence in this bullet. So much I’m now developing a load for the 180’s in the 7mag at 2950fps. I’m hoping it performs the same!
What the lowest estimated impact velocity you have seen on an animal? And how did the bullet perform? Thanks
Originally Posted by RTSJ
Originally Posted by atse
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
Only about 12 or so critters last 2 years but always the exact same outcome. Whitetail, mule deer and 1 big hog. 6.5 creed 139 Scenar at 2870fps. All 1.5-2” clean exits. By clean I mean u could almost drop a golf ball into the hole. I have FULL confidence in this bullet. So much I’m now developing a load for the 180’s in the 7mag at 2950fps. I’m hoping it performs the same!
Roy
Originally Posted by RTSJ
Originally Posted by atse
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
Only about 12 or so critters last 2 years but always the exact same outcome. Whitetail, mule deer and 1 big hog. 6.5 creed 139 Scenar at 2870fps. All 1.5-2” clean exits. By clean I mean u could almost drop a golf ball into the hole. I have FULL confidence in this bullet. So much I’m now developing a load for the 180’s in the 7mag at 2950fps. I’m hoping it performs the same!
I've killed two antelope with the 108's (6.5), 3 antelope with the 123, and one large mule deer with a 123. Going to try the 139's in my 264 this year.
My only complaint with the scenar is if you hit them in the shoulder, its like hitting them with an RPG. Shrapnel everywhere, but they sure die quick.
Ended up selling my my 308 so I have approx 290 155 scenars. Two unopened boxes and I had just opened my third box a week ago. I can get an exact count for anyone that is interested in buying them
Ended up selling my my 308 so I have approx 290 155 scenars. Two unopened boxes and I had just opened my third box a week ago. I can get an exact count for anyone that is interested in buying them
Hondo64, I've used the 123s going around 3050fps on deer. Very accurate, flat shooting and great penetration - just like the 139s. 100% one-shot kills so far, but I've not used them on anything bigger than Mule Deer/Red Deer sized animals.
Bumping this thread for this season. Anyone have experience w/ the 136gr Scenar L vs the 139 Scenar? My 6.5 CM loves the 136, and I'm thinking about using it for deer and antelope.
Bumping this thread for this season. Anyone have experience w/ the 136gr Scenar L vs the 139 Scenar? My 6.5 CM loves the 136, and I'm thinking about using it for deer and antelope.
Though not a huge sample size, but I've shot pronghorn with both. Nothing I observed would lead me to believe there was a difference.
Bumping this thread for this season. Anyone have experience w/ the 136gr Scenar L vs the 139 Scenar? My 6.5 CM loves the 136, and I'm thinking about using it for deer and antelope.
Though not a huge sample size, but I've shot pronghorn with both. Nothing I observed would lead me to believe there was a difference.
I had asked that same question, got the same answer. That’s what I’ve loaded in my Creed. It also likes the 123 Scenar.
Does anyone use the factory loaded Lapua ammunition or is everything hand loaded?
I bought two 50-round boxes of factory loaded 308 155s a couple of years ago. They had a great sale price and in my mind provided me with inexpensive Lapua brass. I loaded them into my Bergara Premier Mountain rifle and that particular combination of rifle and ammo is the most accurate I have ever used. I have attempted to duplicate those factory loads, as best I could, using my chronograph. I've come very close and am quite satisfied with my results.
This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT. I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA.
Kicking myself for not grabbing some loaded 155s for my .308. Now all I find are 168-175+ gr weight. Also don’t have loading gear anymore. Good friend had mountains if supplies from years of competing so I loaded at his place and dumped my gear. Moved many states away now. I didn’t mind paying for preloaded either but short supply and sky high prices at Midway or others showing stock.
Does anyone use the factory loaded Lapua ammunition or is everything hand loaded?
I bought two 50-round boxes of factory loaded 308 155s a couple of years ago. They had a great sale price and in my mind provided me with inexpensive Lapua brass. I loaded them into my Bergara Premier Mountain rifle and that particular combination of rifle and ammo is the most accurate I have ever used. I have attempted to duplicate those factory loads, as best I could, using my chronograph. I've come very close and am quite satisfied with my results.
I broke my old reliable & faithful 308 out of its decades long storage after reading Pat's Scenar threads and decided to get some Varget, 155 Scenar's & Lapua brass. As Bob in NH always said, "I've got a lifetime supply."
Took these components to the range and did something I've never tried. Arbitrarily I loaded charges into the cases without running them thru the sizing die first. Virgin cases, right out of the box, produced one hole groups right off the bat. I was only partially suprised. I bumped the powder charge up to 48.5 gr's & simply push the bullets down until they won't go any deeper. This creates an ever changing seating depth. With everything about this load being outside of normal loading rules it puts round after round into the same ragged hole. This load runs the 155's at 2885 fps.
Ultimatley, I think the velocity is unnnecessary for my hunting & will soon back that load down to just over 2800 fps average. Just enough to gain powder space for a repeatable bullet seating depth. I have yet to try any resized Lapua 1X fired in the gun. But, I will.
Bottom line for me, this combination defies the norm. But, it works and I don't argue with it until it don't.
This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT.
I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA.
Fantastic, guys! Congrats on this year's harvests. I actually found a load w/ Varget and 155 Scenars that my insanely-picky 30-06 loves, and they're cooking ~2900fps. I have high hopes for that to take something yet this year. To complicate things, I also found a load w/ h1000 and 180gr Scenars in my 7mm Rem at 2925 that I want to try, as well.
This thread inspired me to give Scenars a try on game this year. I'd never used them. I had Montana Antelope and Mule Deer B tags, used the .308 Win, 155 Scenar at 2808 MV for the deer and the 6.5 CM, 139 Scenar, 2818 MV for the pronghorn. No complaints. 350 yards for the Pronghorn, hit low in the chest, took a step or two and fell. 118 yards for the mulie doe. Facing almost directly at me with her lower chest covered by brush. Centered the spine at the base of the neck. Exit hole in the picture. DRT.
I think I will be using these more. Both rifles shoot them sub MOA.
Cheers, Rex
Seems way too simple, doesn't it?
Yes, but in fairness neither of my two shots presented any level of challenge to the bullet. I'm interested in keeping on using them to see what else I may learn.
Found this guy yesterday. 123gr Scenar from a 256 Newton. Shot was 347 yards and I was shooting from the top of the ridge down. Second pic shows the exit hole.
Thank you! The rifle is a first model Newton. The buck “plowed” forward for about 20 yards at the shot but both front shoulders were toast.
I usually use 270 win brass to form the cases. On some brands of brass it was necessary to ream the or turn the necks after necking them down. I’ve shot these 123gr bullets and 140gr partitions and both shoot pretty well. H4831 or IMR 4350 seems to work well.
Scenars are the only bullets we have used for the last 6-7 years - mainly 139s in the 6.5, and 150s out of the 7 rem mag. Looking at my notes - me, my family, and friends that have used my rifles, have harvested 26 animals with scenars. (Mule Deer, Elk, Antelope, Black Bear, and 1 cow moose) Only 1 animal needed a second shot and none had to track over 40 yards. Scenars are absolute bone crushers. We have never recovered a bullet cause they usually always exit - even thru bone...
Here are a couple more from this year - 150, out of the 7 rem mag at 3150 FPS...
Deer was shot at 298 directly going away. Bullet hit the upper 1/3 of the spine near the base of the neck and the deer was dead before his feet hit the ground - this bullet did not exit - drove thru the spine and grenaded.
Elk was shot by my son. Distance was 468 yards as she was bedded. Bullet hit the leg shoulder bone, drove tru and exited. Shrapnel pieces exploded the heart. At impact she made it half way up and fell over stone dead. I would not hesitate to use this 7mag/150 scenar combo on anything I will ever hunt.
Scenars are the only bullets we have used for the last 6-7 years - mainly 139s in the 6.5, and 150s out of the 7 rem mag. Looking at my notes - me, my family, and friends that have used my rifles, have harvested 26 animals with scenars. (Mule Deer, Elk, Antelope, Black Bear, and 1 cow moose) Only 1 animal needed a second shot and none had to track over 40 yards. Scenars are absolute bone crushers. We have never recovered a bullet cause they usually always exit - even thru bone...
elk, love to see those old Newtons.. The Weatherby of his time.. I would like to see the .30 with some more dead elk.. Hope you have an awesome fall..
Thank you! I’ve gotten pretty lucky during archery season that last few years and haven’t had to break out the 30. 😎 I did use it to fill my doe tag last year just to see if it still works.
I shot this buck at 237 yards with my Shaen built 6.5 PRC with a 139 scenar. Slight quartering shot. Went in high shoulder and out behind the opposite one. He went straight down at the shot. Minimal damage to the onside shoulder but the tops of his lungs were grenaded. Exit hole was a little bigger than a quarter.
My son shot this buck with a 6mm creedmoor and 105 gr scenar. About 175 yards through the shoulder. It exited pretty high behind the offside shoulder due to the uphill angle of the shot. The bullet smashed up the onside shoulder pretty bad and got both lungs but he made it about 70 yards before he went down. Good blood trail thankfully because he ran in some thick stuff to die.
My son shot this buck with a 6mm creedmoor and 105 gr scenar. About 175 yards through the shoulder. It exited pretty high behind the offside shoulder due to the uphill angle of the shot. The bullet smashed up the onside shoulder pretty bad and got both lungs but he made it about 70 yards before he went down. Good blood trail thankfully because he ran in some thick stuff to die.
Beretzs, thanks for the heads up. I never thought of ordering from green tops online. I'm near harrisonburg, if you get over to the Shenandoah valley sometime give me a shout.
fshaw & jc, thanks for the kind words. I got the skull mount cleaned up and on a board this weekend. The kiddo just needs to decide where he wants to put it
Beretzs, thanks for the heads up. I never thought of ordering from green tops online. I'm near harrisonburg, if you get over to the Shenandoah valley sometime give me a shout.
fshaw & jc, thanks for the kind words. I got the skull mount cleaned up and on a board this weekend. The kiddo just needs to decide where he wants to put it
Sometimes they have stuff no one else has. I tend always look or call for harder to find stuff. They've been good to me over the years.
Found this guy yesterday. 123gr Scenar from a 256 Newton. Shot was 347 yards and I was shooting from the top of the ridge down. Second pic shows the exit hole.
I have to admit, I was totally wrong about these bullets
My early post is truly embarrassing for me
Coop, With 34 pages now on the thread I'm not going to try to look up your earlier post, but I do have a question. Have you been doing some hunting with Scenars yourself that changed your mind or is it all the success posts here? I am mostly in the latter camp as the success folks had convinced me to give them a try. Neither kill in my sample size of two was particularly challenging to the bullet but I am still thinking I'll keep using them. Early on in the thread somebody asked the astute question "What would this thread look like if its title was 'Deceased by Partition'?" It'd be 1000 pages long is the answer. My take so far is the advantage of the Scenars is they are so very, very, accurate, have excellent BCs, and they kill pretty darn good when they get there. Since bullet placement is 90% (or more) of the problem, that's a real vote for the Scenar based on those first two attributes.
I have to admit, I was totally wrong about these bullets
My early post is truly embarrassing for me
Coop, With 34 pages now on the thread I'm not going to try to look up your earlier post, but I do have a question. Have you been doing some hunting with Scenars yourself that changed your mind or is it all the success posts here? I am mostly in the latter camp as the success folks had convinced me to give them a try. Neither kill in my sample size of two was particularly challenging to the bullet but I am still thinking I'll keep using them. Early on in the thread somebody asked the astute question "What would this thread look like if its title was 'Deceased by Partition'?" It'd be 1000 pages long is the answer. My take so far is the advantage of the Scenars is they are so very, very, accurate, have excellent BCs, and they kill pretty darn good when they get there. Since bullet placement is 90% (or more) of the problem, that's a real vote for the Scenar based on those first two attributes.
So, what were the factors in changing your mind?
Cheers, Rex
This thread has completely changed my mind. I have not used them myself. I have a hunt next year for Mule deer in Montana and I think Scenars will be my bullet.
Early on in this thread, I made a regrettable post comment saying it was "dumb to use a target bullet for game", and now I have not only bought some of those bullets but, I'm going to use them on an expensive out of state hunt next year. That is full circle thinking, LOL
139 Scenar, 260 Ackley at 2950 ...200 yards behind the shoulder...Tried to lunge forward but ended up nose diving.. I also took a blacktail doe that went down at the shot..I was a tad skeptical at first,but not any more.. I have since started stocking up and have lots now...Also have a Creedmoor to feed.
Just broke the rifle in with 155 gr Scenars and planning to use them this fall on mule deer and white tails. Was going to keep playing with seating and powder but think around 2825 I am calling it good.
I know it's been discussed before, and specifically mentioned by Pat, that the bearing surface changes from lot to lot. I also noticed that on my most recent purchase of them, the meplat is significantly smaller, and the transition from bullet shank to ogive is much more dramatic. It's a sleeker bullet in this batch for sure. Has anyone noticed this in their batches and/or noticed a difference in terminal performance? I'll be opening up the tip just a tad, but it's still not as open as my previous lots. If I could figure out why my pictures don't post on this site, I'd show you guys what I'm talking about.
Anyways, the new Ridgeline 300 Win Mag arrived this week, and I'm going to test some sedate Varget loads. If I can get away with 60-61gr of powder for 3100-3200fps in a light rifle, you best believe I'm going that route!
I know it's been discussed before, and specifically mentioned by Pat, that the bearing surface changes from lot to lot. I also noticed that on my most recent purchase of them, the meplat is significantly smaller, and the transition from bullet shank to ogive is much more dramatic. It's a sleeker bullet in this batch for sure. Has anyone noticed this in their batches and/or noticed a difference in terminal performance? I'll be opening up the tip just a tad, but it's still not as open as my previous lots. If I could figure out why my pictures don't post on this site, I'd show you guys what I'm talking about.
Anyways, the new Ridgeline 300 Win Mag arrived this week, and I'm going to test some sedate Varget loads. If I can get away with 60-61gr of powder for 3100-3200fps in a light rifle, you best believe I'm going that route!
I know it's been discussed before, and specifically mentioned by Pat, that the bearing surface changes from lot to lot. I also noticed that on my most recent purchase of them, the meplat is significantly smaller, and the transition from bullet shank to ogive is much more dramatic. It's a sleeker bullet in this batch for sure. Has anyone noticed this in their batches and/or noticed a difference in terminal performance? I'll be opening up the tip just a tad, but it's still not as open as my previous lots. If I could figure out why my pictures don't post on this site, I'd show you guys what I'm talking about.
Anyways, the new Ridgeline 300 Win Mag arrived this week, and I'm going to test some sedate Varget loads. If I can get away with 60-61gr of powder for 3100-3200fps in a light rifle, you best believe I'm going that route!
Add a Bull Shiras Moose to the scenar kill list - say it once, say it again - absolute bone crushers. Only bullets we use. Once again this was from the 7 mag 150grainers at 3150 (This combo has to be around 20-25 animals deep in the last 5-6 years)
265 yards - broadside thru the lungs...Pencil size entrance, busted two ribs, exited about the size of a 50 cent piece...Moose took 5-6 steps, shook his head and tipped over. Wouldn't hesitate to hunt much of anything within reason with this combo...
Apologies if this has been covered, but how do these do when moving slow? I picked up some of the 100gr 6.5mm to potentially use as a substitute for the BTs I can’t seem to find. Will these do ok on whitetail inside of 100 yards started at around 2300 or should I save the BTs I have left for that and use these for practice?
After reading through all of the responses, I wanna give these bullets a try in a prc. But first can someone explain to me the difference in bullets? I see scenar, scenar-L, OTM, and hpbt? I can not seem to locate any of the 139 but some sites have the 123s available, which would be best for deer/elk?
Every picture above on a Scenar killed deer appears to have no wounds, entrance or exit. I guess you just shoot close to the animal and it kills from sound wave shock, great bullets.
Has anyone used the 69 grain Lapua Scenar L .224” on deer sized game?
Too soft at normal hunting impact velocities?
If you’re going .223, I’d suggest the 77 TMK. Group over on Rockslide crush several elk every year with that set up pretty exclusively. Based on pics and their experience, I wouldn’t hesitate to put that into anything.
Took a cow elk this week with 155 scenar out of my 300 wsm at 363 yards. Took out the heart and punched through both sides.
That is what i like to hear. I’ve got my 300 WSM dialed in with 155’s at 3285 fps. Maybe I’ll get to whack an Elk before i am too old. I know that was a thrill for you.
Brother shot a big-bodied whitetail at 283yds on Saturday with a 136 Scenar L out of a 6.5cm. Lung shot, and ran for 100+yds but I don't know how...the offside had a baseball-sized exit wound.
Took a cow elk this week with 155 scenar out of my 300 wsm at 363 yards. Took out the heart and punched through both sides.
That is what i like to hear. I’ve got my 300 WSM dialed in with 155’s at 3285 fps. Maybe I’ll get to whack an Elk before i am too old. I know that was a thrill for you.
It hits like a hammer. Hope you get a chance to use yours.
Took a cow elk this week with 155 scenar out of my 300 wsm at 363 yards. Took out the heart and punched through both sides.
That is what i like to hear. I’ve got my 300 WSM dialed in with 155’s at 3285 fps. Maybe I’ll get to whack an Elk before i am too old. I know that was a thrill for you.
It hits like a hammer. Hope you get a chance to use yours.
I see your lady is a Southpaw. Mine too. Kind of makes things difficult at times.
Add another to the list with the 7 rem mag 150 scenar combo- one shot at 622 yards dropped him stone dead. Baseball sized exit hole right below the spine. (Scenars = Killing Bullets 🤷♂️)
Add another to the list with the 7 rem mag 150 scenar combo- one shot at 622 yards dropped him stone dead. Baseball sized exit hole right below the spine. (Scenars = Killing Bullets 🤷♂️)
That’s awesome! How fast are you sending them out at?
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
Here are 4 chosen to show different angles: He is an old ram, 11-12 years old. Score with the brooming is in the low 160s, nothing official yet. Bases were 14 6/8" Rex
Outstanding ram! Congrats TRexF16 for obviously great loads! What powder and charge?
155 Scenar, CCI 200, 59/H4350, 3.340" OAL (.010" off the lands), 2965 FPS, 3/4 MOA. He was zeroed for 250 yards. Range was dead on 400 yards. He dialed 3.5 MOA on the new Leupold VX3HD I had mounted for him (bedded the bases, then lapped and bedded the Talley rings), and the rest is history!
1950 vintage M70, and I had bedded the action and discreetly free floated the barrel, forend screw removed.
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
Outstanding ram! Congrats TRexF16 for obviously great loads! What powder and charge?
155 Scenar, CCI 200, 59/H4350, 3.340" OAL (.010" off the lands), 2965 FPS, 3/4 MOA. He was zeroed for 250 yards. Range was dead on 400 yards. He dialed 3.5 MOA on the new Leupold VX3HD I had mounted for him (bedded the bases, then lapped and bedded the Talley rings), and the rest is history!
1950 vintage M70, and I had bedded the action and discreetly free floated the barrel, forend screw removed.
I think I love the pic of the rifle most. Love seeing someone smoke a ram with ANYTHING other than a titanium/CF rifle chambered in something older than 10 years.
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
That's a fact Randy, and there are pictures with more guys in it (and a couple fine dogs) that would tell the tale of a great hunt and experience even more. We had six men (and two dogs) in camp for opening day. Two more fellas were to have rolled in for the weekend but got the wave-off due to the opening day success. We generally split up and glass from long range in groups of 2-3, with the shooter going with the outfitter or guide. Gather up late morning to compare notes. Once sheep bed up in the AM they don't seem to move much for a few hours. Only my second year of this, but typical hunt looks like Outfitter, Guide (who practically lives among the sheep), shooter, and a half dozen or more of "the usual suspects" who just love the experience and the sheep, and may or may not have drawn their tag yet. What made this year special, is the shooter is actually one of the usual suspects, who has been friends with the rest of the bunch for years, and finally drew. Now I don't think anybody is going to complain about success on opening day (well, except the two usual suspects who got the wave-off), but it's almost like we got a little bit cheated out of more of the experience.
Sorry for the off-topic re: Scenar performance - to clean it up - yeah, they still work. The hunter's loads were, BTW, the newer Scenar L. I have not killed with these, having a stash of the earlier version remaining. But I have shot them for accuracy and I can't tell they are any more accurate in my .308 than the original. Going to try them in the 30-06 with the new Reloader 15.5, which is showing great promise, and might be perfect in that combo. I found it too bulky for the .308.
Thanks for the good words. Greg, the hunter/shooter, has seen this thread and is very appreciative of all the compliments and well-wishes.
Re: Dogs and Pros Dogs: Danny is on the left. He's been at this awhile and was apprenticed to (the late) Dutch. This is Danny's 28th successful desert sheep kill. Danny has a new apprentice, Dominic, on the right. This is Dominic's third sheep kill. The Guide is their master. They don't have any part in the hunt itself, they just accompany their master. They stay with the jeep if he has to go in with the client, though typically it's the outfitter that goes on the final stalk. They have their own chairs around the campfire and are amazing dogs. The Pros: Outfitter is on the left closest to Danny. Guide on the right, with Dominic. It's a good outfit but this isn't a commercial, it's a celebration of the hunt of a lifetime.
Question: Has anyone used the 123 Scenar out of the 6.5 Grendel on game?
In my CZ-527 I can load to about 100 FPS more than traditional 52K PSI "gas gun" data if that makes a difference. I haven't hunted it yet and am considering trying those 123 Scenars, but am a bit concerned about not having enough velocity to make them do their thing. The rifle drives nails with the 129 ABLR, and that is a great low velocity bullet, but my supplies are limited and I have a good many Scenars. I can launch the ABLRs at 2500' and other 123 grain bullets at 2600'. Have not yet experimented with the Scenars.
Two whitetail deer, two 7mm 150 gr scenars out of a 7mm-08. No dramatics...just dead.
Used the water bottle to roust this buck out of his hidey hole by crushing it between my hands making noise like two small deer were sparing. I don't know if that's what he thought yet it was enough to give me a perfect broadside shot.
I posted this in a "pictures or it didn't happen thread"; but, I failed to post them where they belong. O.K., I'll play. 2022 antelope "death by Scenar". I had only one day to hunt these things this year so I wasn't picky. 201 yards, .308 shooting 155 Scenars. The lungs and half the heart were like pulling out red oatmeal.
Yesterday in AZ. Pre-64 M-70 30-06, 155 Scenar at ~3000 FPS. 400 yards. Sheep hopped over the edge and piled up in the bottom of a ravine 30 yards from where he was hit. Shooter is the guy in the middle. 34 years applying, finally drew. I was honored to be invited to help, and to do the handloading and rifle set up prior to the hunt. Rex
I know you worked your tail off for that animal. I’m so proud for you. After my few Sheep hunts & my subsequent introduction to the 7mm 150 & 308 155 Scenar, I will never go Sheep hunting with another bullet.
Not that this matters, I just found it interesting. Near the exit hole I found the tip of the scenar I shot this deer with. I've listened to a few on another venue complain that the scenar is a hollow point (which is it) but the whole front cone of the bullet is hollow. The "meat" of the bullet runs below the length of the bearing surface back to the boattail.
These 7mm scenars are advertised as 150 grs. That front piece weighed 12.2 grains. The bullet laying on the box weighed 153.5 grs. and I am sure if I weighed each bullet in the box there would be some variations in weight. So is the 7mm 150 gr scenar actually a 140 gr. bullet with a fancy nose job and an incredible ballistic coefficient?? All I know is dead deer tell no lies.
Killed a pile of whitetails, a big muley, big hog and an Aoudad with the 139 6.5. Really considering taking the PRC to africa and using it on plains game. List is kudu, gemsbuck, waterbuck, Nyala, sable and zebra. Would u guys trust the 139 or load something like the 127 LRX or 130 scirocco? Got both as well. I Havnt caught any of the 139 Scenars and all have left golf ball sized exits but still a part of me is nervous. Curious to hear thoughts!
When I was in Africa hunting plains game, I didn't find the animals any harder to kill than their US equivalents.
Others with more experience will chime in, but the Lapua 139 SCENAR is accurate and kills in my 6.5 Creed, and I'd have no problem taking same to African on a plains game hunt.
Probably millions of head of Africa game have been killed with the 6.5 x 55, the ballistic twin of the Creedmoor.
Great ram. I tend to agree that a sheep hunt should last a few days for the best experience. Not that you want to pass on a target ram though!
Did the bullet exit?
Did you know the age and score from the department check out?
Sorry I missed this question. Yes, the bullet exited and blew sheep parts out the exit hole. I did not get the G&F data but the sheep was 11-12 years-old and about 160".
Has anyone had success or not with 185 scenars in a 30 magnum? Looking for another option for my prc. I shoot s lot of animals up close as well and not sure if a 155 at warp speed is the best option.
Has anyone had success or not with 185 scenars in a 30 magnum? Looking for another option for my prc. I shoot s lot of animals up close as well and not sure if a 155 at warp speed is the best option.
I see they make a 175 L and a 185 regular
Don’t know which 30 Magnum you are referring to. I run the 155’s in my 300 WSM at about 3250 or so without issues. I have had them up to 3350 fps. I do not have any aversion to recoil with projectiles 165 gr’s or less. So, I just cannot get enough of the 300 WSM’s.
Have you hit any deer close up like under 100 yards? I’m not sure how a 155 will act in a prc chamber but may need to find out!
Yes, i have killed them from 60 to 400 yards. The Scenar 155’s are both very destructive & terminal. I can appreciate their results. The farthest I have had an animal go was 35 yards. Most of the time, they are down in less than 20 feet.
This "hunt" consisted of several firsts for me. First Fall bear I've killed, first animal with a .308, first 155 Scenar kill. It wasn't much of a hunt as we were driving around on the SxS looking for grouse. This 150# field dressed sow ran across the road in front of us and stopped at 100 or so yards. The shot was quartering away and exited between the front legs. Exit wound was about 2". I've been involved with a lot of spring bear kills the last few years and have never seen a blood trail so soon or as good as this one. I tracked the bear about 60 yards were I found her trying to climb a tree. I put another one in her broadside at about 30 yards, 1" exit wound. I will use this combo for the rest of the fall, hopefully with more success.
Since the original 155 .308 Scenars are no longer available, and only the newer Scenar L is, it would be good if folks would discern which version they used in any writeups this fall. I can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two, but I can see the hollowpoint hole is smaller in the L. Wondering if that effects performance on game?
Since the original 155 .308 Scenars are no longer available, and only the newer Scenar L is, it would be good if folks would discern which version they used in any writeups this fall. I can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two, but I can see the hollowpoint hole is smaller in the L. Wondering if that effects performance on game?
Thanks, Rex
After some research. I've read where the 155 and 155 L were the same except tolerances keep tighter for the 155 L.
Since the original 155 .308 Scenars are no longer available, and only the newer Scenar L is, it would be good if folks would discern which version they used in any writeups this fall. I can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two, but I can see the hollowpoint hole is smaller in the L. Wondering if that effects performance on game?
Thanks, Rex
After some research. I've read where the 155 and 155 L were the same except tolerances keep tighter for the 155 L.
Since the original 155 .308 Scenars are no longer available, and only the newer Scenar L is, it would be good if folks would discern which version they used in any writeups this fall. I can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two, but I can see the hollowpoint hole is smaller in the L. Wondering if that effects performance on game?
Thanks, Rex
After some research. I've read where the 155 and 155 L were the same except tolerances keep tighter for the 155 L.
Do you know if one is longer than the other?
It’s the same bullet. They just hold the tolerances higher on the L so it cost more.
Since the original 155 .308 Scenars are no longer available, and only the newer Scenar L is, it would be good if folks would discern which version they used in any writeups this fall. I can't tell any difference in accuracy between the two, but I can see the hollowpoint hole is smaller in the L. Wondering if that effects performance on game?
Thanks, Rex
After some research. I've read where the 155 and 155 L were the same except tolerances keep tighter for the 155 L.
Do you know if one is longer than the other?
It’s the same bullet. They just hold the tolerances higher on the L so it cost more.
Tarheelpwr (great name - UNC class of '82 myself!) What you wrote above is exactly what Lapua's website says, but what they say isn't exactly true. I went through this on another thread complete with pictures but it is definitely different. It is easy to tell an original 155 Scenar from an L just holding them in your hand. I'm trying to find the previous post. All the visible differences are at the tip, but length was measurably different too.
Interesting. That was from Lapua directly. I’d be curious to see several of each side by side.
Yeah, been trying to find the other post where I put up the pics and measurements - might have to redo it. The hollowpoint hole on the L being smaller is the one thing that worried me a little, though my buddy's bighorn a couple pages back was with the L and it worked fine.
Interesting. That was from Lapua directly. I’d be curious to see several of each side by side.
Yeah, been trying to find the other post where I put up the pics and measurements - might have to redo it. The hollowpoint hole on the L being smaller is the one thing that worried me a little, though my buddy's bighorn a couple pages back was with the L and it worked fine.
Interesting. That was from Lapua directly. I’d be curious to see several of each side by side.
Yeah, been trying to find the other post where I put up the pics and measurements - might have to redo it. The hollowpoint hole on the L being smaller is the one thing that worried me a little, though my buddy's bighorn a couple pages back was with the L and it worked fine.
I have heard of guys opening up the tip on the scenar. I know it has been discussed on a different thread. here is a trick that involves altering the base. Thought I would post it for some guys that like to tweak things a little.
I may have posted some of these in the past few years, but here are just a few of some of the animals me/family/close friends have killed with scenars...Most of them being 150 grain out of the 7 mag at 3150. Lots of 139grain kills out of various 6.5 creeds as well. Scenars are bone crushers, they break bone, exit, and kill animals dead...
This "hunt" consisted of several firsts for me. First Fall bear I've killed, first animal with a .308, first 155 Scenar kill. It wasn't much of a hunt as we were driving around on the SxS looking for grouse. This 150# field dressed sow ran across the road in front of us and stopped at 100 or so yards. The shot was quartering away and exited between the front legs. Exit wound was about 2". I've been involved with a lot of spring bear kills the last few years and have never seen a blood trail so soon or as good as this one. I tracked the bear about 60 yards were I found her trying to climb a tree. I put another one in her broadside at about 30 yards, 1" exit wound. I will use this combo for the rest of the fall, hopefully with more success.
Just grabbed a nice stash of 30 cal 155gr Lapua Scenars. After 40 pages of this thread I can't be happier I did. I had no idea it is such a great hunting bullet. This might call for a wet newsprint bullet expansion test
Just grabbed a nice stash of 30 cal 155gr Lapua Scenars. After 40 pages of this thread I can't be happier I did. I had no idea it is such a great hunting bullet. This might call for a wet newsprint bullet expansion test
Why a test? The work has already been done, proof tested & corroborated by so many.
Just grabbed a nice stash of 30 cal 155gr Lapua Scenars. After 40 pages of this thread I can't be happier I did. I had no idea it is such a great hunting bullet. This might call for a wet newsprint bullet expansion test
Why a test? The work has already been done, proof tested & corroborated by so many.
But..but.. I'm a test and development engineer by trade and I test everything. I will agree that it looks like we have a fabulous hunting bullet here. I did get out to the range for an initial accuracy test and these 30 cal 155 Scenar-L's (actual weight is 154.7grs) printed a 200 yd 5-shot group of 0.67" for 0.32 MOA precision from my target 308 Win single shot. I immediately bought out my friend's remaining supply and then I find this thread. Ode to the 24 hour Campfire. Testing all hunting bullets I use is always on my to-do list. I've tested everything from Barnes TTSX to Core-lokts to Win PP, and cast lead bullets. Most of these have well proven performance, but it's always interesting to see how they do with the exact load used in the field
If you want to shoot newspaper and it makes you happy, why not.
I test mine on elk each year and have been doing so for quite a number of years. I actually have forgotten to take pictures a number of times, or it was so cold my phone/camera was dead, which is typical on December hunts in sub zero temps. Since I just tend to shoot cows anyways and fill the freezer, I am usually more interested in getting them quartered up and back to the truck, more than anything else. Bottom line though, the Scenars have been extremely consistent for me.
A wet newsprint test will allow the bullet to be tested at three useful speeds: low impact velocity, ie 1500 - 1800 fps (long range speed), mid range 2200 - 2400 fps typical for nominal range impacts (308 Win speaking), and high speed at close range, that is, close to 3000 fps min for this segment.
No doubt this is a hunting bullet, and they work very well, but how well? Hard to say when they zip out the other side and get lost.
Just grabbed a nice stash of 30 cal 155gr Lapua Scenars. After 40 pages of this thread I can't be happier I did. I had no idea it is such a great hunting bullet. This might call for a wet newsprint bullet expansion test
Why a test? The work has already been done, proof tested & corroborated by so many.
But..but.. I'm a test and development engineer by trade and I test everything. I will agree that it looks like we have a fabulous hunting bullet here. I did get out to the range for an initial accuracy test and these 30 cal 155 Scenar-L's (actual weight is 154.7grs) printed a 200 yd 5-shot group of 0.67" for 0.32 MOA precision from my target 308 Win single shot. I immediately bought out my friend's remaining supply and then I find this thread. Ode to the 24 hour Campfire. Testing all hunting bullets I use is always on my to-do list. I've tested everything from Barnes TTSX to Core-lokts to Win PP, and cast lead bullets. Most of these have well proven performance, but it's always interesting to see how they do with the exact load used in the field
I should have been more "pacific" (as my Uncle would say). I thought you were questioning the terminal efficacy. Load development is a requirement.
If you want to shoot newspaper and it makes you happy, why not.
I test mine on elk each year and have been doing so for quite a number of years. I actually have forgotten to take pictures a number of times, or it was so cold my phone/camera was dead, which is typical on December hunts in sub zero temps. Since I just tend to shoot cows anyways and fill the freezer, I am usually more interested in getting them quartered up and back to the truck, more than anything else. Bottom line though, the Scenars have been extremely consistent for me.
Filled this year's Coues tag Monday evening with a 155 grain .308 loaded to 3085 fps MV in my Pre64 30-06 featherweight. The impact velocity at 407 yards should have been right around 2400 fps. The upward shot angle exit included the top of the off side shoulder blade and there was a lot of expansion prior to that. A sample of one, but very happy with the bullet performance.
Filled this year's Coues tag Monday evening with a 155 grain .308 loaded to 3085 fps MV in my Pre64 30-06 featherweight. The impact velocity at 407 yards should have been right around 2400 fps. The upward shot angle exit included the top of the off side shoulder blade and the was a lot of expansion prior to that. A sample of one, but very happy with the bullet performance.
Nice darned buck! I am going to have to try them in my 308.. Too many of you all have had such awesome results with them in 308's.
Congrats on the buck and great shooting and cool darned rifle!
I finally completed my bullet penetration/expansion testing on the 154.7gr 30cal Lapua Scenar-L's. First rounded up a box of old computer paper and soaked it with a garden hose. Turns out I only had it partially soaked as the paper was tightly packed. For a baseline I used a 45-70 loaded with Lyman 457193 cast lead bullets weighing 418grs moving 1700fps from the muzzle. This would be about the ultimate penetrator load, unless something ridiculous is used such as a black tip fmj. The box of paper was set on a stand 100 yds downrange from the bench. 45-70 load penetrated the box of wet/dry paper 9". Spent slug weighed 300grs and expanded to 0.63". Not bad for a plain base cast lead bullet.
The 30cal Scenar-L's exited the muzzle at a chronographed speed of 2926fps from my 26" barrel 308 win. Two were fired into the medium. They penetrated almost exactly the same depth as the 45-70 Gov't. 9". One weighed 78.7grs, the other 84.1grs for over 50% weight retention. One expanded to. 65", the other 0.71". This is a very accurate target bullet that happens to also make an excellent hunting bullet. I purchased my supply of these for target use, but am pleased to see excellent terminal performance in expansion medium. This was a rather severe test of this bullet.
Lots of great reports, and really surprises me! I would have though they were alot like the Bergers, or Sierra match. I am tempted, just for grins, to load the 250gr Scenar in my 338-06 as a Timber and medium range load. I bet it would thump like crazy! Anyone tried this?
Lots of great reports, and really surprises me! I would have though they were alot like the Bergers, or Sierra match. I am tempted, just for grins, to load the 250gr Scenar in my 338-06 as a Timber and medium range load. I bet it would thump like crazy! Anyone tried this?
Thanks! I shot him Monday at my camp in the MS delta. Nothing special about the shot (maybe 60 yds) tight behind the right shoulder and out through the left. He didn't go far but made it into a nasty swamp area and dead where he plowed in. The rifle is a Rem LTR in .308 win that I semi put together. This is the second of these in .308 I've owned-the first now living in Stevensville Montana with my nephew who believes (with good reason) that it's magic.
Huge body on this buck and it caused me to under estimate him even though he was close and I watched him for a bit. Not that it matters one iota but he doesn't have long tines but lots of mass. With a stingy tape he scores 144 1/8"
Anyone loading the 155 over CFE223 in a 308? How’s that working out?
I have a LOT of CFE223.
Would expect that to be a compatible powder, and shoot very accurately. It has been quite temperature sensitive in the applications I have used it in though. A lot of guys use Varget in the .308 with the 155 Scenar both for accuracy and temp resistance.
I have most recently tested in my 308’s with preferred velocity of 2800+:
Varget - accurate but too slow to suit me without running a compressed charge. No go. However, with a compressed charge of 48.5 gr, it shoots one ragged hole at 2885 fps.
CFE223 - 1 moa, which is tolerable but not optimum for my liking.
TAC - 1/2 moa with acceptable velocity @ 2820 fps. Go to hunting load.
All with original 155 Scenar in Lapua brass, 22” barrel. All of theses powders are reliably temp stable.
I have most recently tested in my 308’s with preferred velocity of 2800+:
Varget - accurate but too slow to suit me without running a compressed charge. No go. However, with a compressed charge of 48.5 gr, it shoots one ragged hole at 2885 fps.
CFE223 - 1 moa, which is tolerable but not optimum for my liking.
TAC - 1/2 moa with acceptable velocity @ 2820 fps. Go to hunting load.
All with original 155 Scenar in Lapua brass, 22” barrel. All of theses powders are reliably temp stable.
So what's your objection to using a compressed load? There are many powder/bullet companies that list compressed loads. Just curious.
I have most recently tested in my 308’s with preferred velocity of 2800+:
Varget - accurate but too slow to suit me without running a compressed charge. No go. However, with a compressed charge of 48.5 gr, it shoots one ragged hole at 2885 fps.
CFE223 - 1 moa, which is tolerable but not optimum for my liking.
TAC - 1/2 moa with acceptable velocity @ 2820 fps. Go to hunting load.
All with original 155 Scenar in Lapua brass, 22” barrel. All of theses powders are reliably temp stable.
CFE 223 isn't temp stable. 48.5 grains of Varget is A LOT of powder in a 308 with 155s. Most guys run more like 46.
So what's your objection to using a compressed load? There are many powder/bullet companies that list compressed loads. Just curious.
I ran that Varget load for 3 seasons. Carried a cleaning rod to knock the bullet out of the barrel when it stuck in the rifling, more often than not, & case ejection dumped the powder in the magazine/action. I could not seat the bullet any deeper and it would push out during storage just enough to stick in the rifling. I finally could/would not tolerate it any longer.
Originally Posted by prairie_goat
48.5 grains of Varget is A LOT of powder in a 308 with 155s. Most guys run more like 46.
Sure do not disagree with you at all. My gun did not like any of the Varget powder charges save the 48.5. It was SO accurate with that load too. I hated to cease my consideration of it, but it was necessary. One too many stuck bullets shut one of my most promising hunts down before it got started.
I ran 10 charge weight combinations up to 48.5. It shot about 1.25" up to the 48.5 where it shot one ragged hole. I tolerated it until I couldn't.
I have most recently tested in my 308’s with preferred velocity of 2800+:
Varget - accurate but too slow to suit me without running a compressed charge. No go. However, with a compressed charge of 48.5 gr, it shoots one ragged hole at 2885 fps.
CFE223 - 1 moa, which is tolerable but not optimum for my liking.
TAC - 1/2 moa with acceptable velocity @ 2820 fps. Go to hunting load.
All with original 155 Scenar in Lapua brass, 22” barrel. All of theses powders are reliably temp stable.
CFE 223 isn't temp stable. 48.5 grains of Varget is A LOT of powder in a 308 with 155s. Most guys run more like 46.
In retrospect, I cannot aver that CFE223 is temp stable. I did not use enough of it to confirm anything except it would not shoot under an inch for me. While to some that may be acceptable, it is not for me, especially in a 308. So, I did not mean to misrepresent.
Anyone using the 7mm 180 scenar on elk? Wondering about loading this bullet for in my new 7 PRC. Most of the reports on game seem to be in the 30 cal 155, 139 6.5, and a few for the 7mm 150.
They've all gone down quick - either dropped at the shot, or walked a few feet, laid down, and died within sight. Haven't had to go look for any...
Small entry/exit holes and lots of internal damage. One neck shot on a doe was rather spectacular - appeared to do a back-flip and landed where she stood.
They've all gone down quick - either dropped at the shot, or walked a few feet, laid down, and died within sight. Haven't had to go look for any...
Small entry/exit holes and lots of internal damage. One neck shot on a doe was rather spectacular - appeared to do a back-flip and landed where she stood.
Nice buck....I'm curious of the exit hole. I'm new to scenars ....
Reviewing your post above, it was pretty much the same. Each of the animals I have taken with the 155 Scenar have all been pretty much the same. Of the 15 shots on game I've yet to track a single one.
I'm wondering how the .338 250gr would do at moderate velocity? Say 2500-ishI'm contemplating a .338 RCM build on a Tikka, so it could be seated out plenty long.
I'm wondering how the .338 250gr would do at moderate velocity? Say 2500-ishI'm contemplating a .338 RCM build on a Tikka, so it could be seated out plenty long.
The seating issue was the Achille’s heal on the 155 in the 308. It would have been NO issue in a 30-06. The boat tail encroached the powder space to the extent of compressed charges. I could have used a flat based bullet to solve the problem but I just can’t deny my liking for the Scenar & short actions overall.
I'm wondering how the .338 250gr would do at moderate velocity? Say 2500-ishI'm contemplating a .338 RCM build on a Tikka, so it could be seated out plenty long.
The seating issue was the Achille’s heal on the 155 in the 308. It would have been NO issue in a 30-06. The boat tail encroached the powder space to the extent of compressed charges. I could have used a flat based bullet to solve the problem but I just can’t deny my liking for the Scenar & short actions overall.
When I'm loading I like a powder that fills close to the junction of the base of the neck. Then I like bullet's seated to the base of the neck at most. I don't like the bullet encroaching on the powder space at all. If I have a long enough magazine and chamber, I do like heavier bullet's but in a lot of rifle's the magazine calls that idea. I had a 7mm Rem Mag in an L61 Sako years ago and found the chamber limited the ability to seat the bullet out far enough. Took it and a MTY round to a gun smith and had him re chamber so that round would work in it. The magazine was long enough to handle it. Increased max powder charge quite a bit and gun was more accurate than ever!
Had a 6mm rem in a 700 Rem that wouldn't let me seat the bullet's out that way because the magazine was to short. Never did like how that 700 shot! Up in Alaska I had a Rem 660 in 308 I loaded up with 200gr bullet's to carry fishing. magazine wouldn't let me seat the bullet's out but that load was only needed for very short range. Bullet's were into powder chamber but fit the magazine. Only did about 2" groups at 100 yds but I had no intention of using it that far so I as good to go!
I'm wondering how the .338 250gr would do at moderate velocity? Say 2500-ishI'm contemplating a .338 RCM build on a Tikka, so it could be seated out plenty long.
The seating issue was the Achille’s heal on the 155 in the 308. It would have been NO issue in a 30-06. The boat tail encroached the powder space to the extent of compressed charges. I could have used a flat based bullet to solve the problem but I just can’t deny my liking for the Scenar & short actions overall.
When I'm loading I like a powder that fills close to the junction of the base of the neck. Then I like bullet's seated to the base of the neck at most. I don't like the bullet encroaching on the powder space at all.
My best load was 48.5 gr Varget which filled the case to the top. Not much room left to seat the bullet. So, I had to find an alternative. Fortunately, TAC saved the day with no loss of velocity.
Having gone through this looong string of posts, not seeing an answer: Anyone with experience with the 6.5x55 Lapua factory loaded 139 G Scenar? I scored several boxes of 50 a few years ago about the same time I laid hands on a bunch of 156g Norma Oryx loads, a bunch of 156g Lapua Mega loads, a bunch of Nosler 120G Partition loads and a bunch of Sako 140g Super Hammerheads. I had a good few weeks on finding deals on 6.5x55, I figure folks were dumping it in the 6.5 Creedmore craze.
Been using the Oryx and Mega loadings hunting swamp whitetails, they drop bucks pretty fast. Never really thought of using the open tip Scenars until working through this chain. I mostly bought b/c it was about the same price as buying Lapua brass.
Seems like lots of good experience with 308 Scenars, just curious if the Scenar bullet line is consistent in terms of cup hardness/thickness as reported here for lots of other calibers or if there may be a reason to not hunt with the 139s as opposed to some of the other Scenar bullets in 6.5 - seems like they make more different weights 100, 108, 120, 123, 136, & 139 though some of those loadings are described as "Scenar-L".
I can't speak for the 6.5x55. But the open tip 139gr Scenars work great in my 260. Should be pretty close to the 6.5x55.
I use them for WT Deer and pigs. Most shots are between 75-200 yds. A high shoulder shot will drop them where they stand. A double lung shot just behind the shoulder makes a nice exit wound with a good blood trail. Most don't go much past 20-30 yds with that shot placement.
Having gone through this looong string of posts, not seeing an answer: Anyone with experience with the 6.5x55 Lapua factory loaded 139 G Scenar? .
Thanx RAS
Maybe not much 6.5x55, but there's plenty of 6.5 CM, .260 Rem, 256 Newton, etc. kills with the 139 Scenar on this epic thread.
In the immortal words of Miss Lee, Kunsan Air Base, ROK Officer's Club waitress, "Chicken, beef, same-same. You eat!" (Guy complained when she brought chicken fried rice instead of the beef fried rice he'd ordered - became a legendary phrase)
I bought some 6.5x55 Laupa Scenar 139 and 123 grs loaded ammo here off the Fire several years ago from someone getting out of the Swede's. They both shoot lights out in my Rem 700 and Tikka T3. Texas whitetails hate 'em. Haven't had one deer go over 10 yds. For what it's worth I shoot high shoulder if possible and want DRT. Don't want them getting into the mesquite thickets! Hope this helps. Use with confidence!
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