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I have participated in several swap hunts. Results have varied from great to miserable. It's important to ask very exact questions, such as:

Do you have any serious chronic illnesses?

Do you know the difference between a backpack and a daypack?

Are you committed to be in good cardio/pulmonary condition before coming to hunt in Colorado?

Can we count on you to do your part of the work and camp chores, pay your part of the cost?

Can we count on you keeping your word?

What are your goals in coming to hunt in Colorado?

I met two of my best hunting buddies on the Internet. One was a swap hunt, sixteen years ago. We still keep in touch and I just visited him again to take my grand-son on a Texas high-fence ram hunt. The other was for an Alaska hunt setup entirely among strangers. It was a great hunt and one of the guys is my best hunting buddy. I've hunted with him many times and will go on another Arizona Coues deer hunt in November .

KC

Do you hunt with a 270 ?

Thats a very important question....

Very Important indeed. To do otherwise should be a dis-qualifier.

Chances are that same guy will show up driving a Prius drinking a Starbucks latte.
A guy just can't be to careful nowa days.

I can offer a not quite wilderness hunt for antlions in trade for ? Be the first in your group to bring down one of these vicious predators. Bragging rights in eternity await... Call now!

Bring enough gun! No 270's!



The lair of an antlion. Approach with caution.

If anyone from Alaska offers to do a swap a hunt. Don't do it.. It's against state law.

Absolutely correct unless they are licensed as guides or transporters. I did quite a few trades while transporting.

I thought you only needed a guide for bears and sheep as a non-native. You could swap on a Moose or Caribou hunt, or hunt for fishing.

I know the 270 WCF is totally gay, but are the WBY and WSM just as gay?

The problem is not the need for a guide, but rather the concept of trading services that should be considered commercial guiding.

If you take money or other considerations to take someone hunting you are considered in the business...

I'm pretty sure that if I invite a guy from back east out here to go on an elk hunt with me, and he lets me hunt whitetails on his place back there, neither one of us is "in the business."

Appears it doesn't happen much -it'd be my luck someone would show up w/a 270 to shoot hawgs & ruin the entire hunt .

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You come hunt with me then I'll join you on a hunt. Nobody[game wardens] would ever question something like that around here .

OK. Black bear? Can we go fishing too?

But first, I have a bunch of questions I need to ask:

I have tried to get Ready to swap me a Dall sheep hunt in the Talkeetnas for a guided pack string squirrel hunt in Northern Indiana. So far, he hasn't bitten.

FC

Are you sure that Carl could cope with the rigors of squirrel hunting in the remote north of Indiana?

I'd hate to hear that you had to carry his carcass out on your back...

John

'd be tough...

How have you been, John?

Been kind of rough for the past 7 months or so, but things are looking better on the whole.

I'll give you a call sometime in the next couple of weeks!

John

After watching him schlep up the Tyrolean Alps this week, I think he just might be able to successfully negotiate the Wabash Valley.

Naturally, we'll have to take lots of rest breaks, and he'll have to make due with PBR in place of schnapps...

FC

Good lord!

Making a German drink Pabst Blue Ribbon is surely cruel punishment!

So that Carl truly appreciates this "golden nectar", make sure that he knows it contains both rice and corn. Germans have had laws against that sort of thing in beer for hundreds of years...

John

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that's funny !

I traded a WT hunt in South Texas for a private land Mule Deer hunt in SW Colorado in 1998. We had lots of very nice WT's to hunt but the mule deer were nowhere to be found. Never again

That depends entirely on how your state regulates such things. In AK it would ABSOLUTELY be considered guiding.

Damned near impossible for big game with our limited tag drawings here in Oregon.

Great questions KC, and unfortunately, I'd fail miserably at answering these. Would be great to do this with one of our members sometimes, but I am the poster child of what negative answers to your questions would be. Bad heart, don't handle long hikes and physical exertion very well. I still hunt, but I have to go very slowly and be very careful about not over exerting my self. I think your questions are spot on and very fair to be asked.

LMAO!

I'm betting Carl will be fine with it, as long as y'all field dress and quarter the squirrels prior to strappin' 'em to his packboard...

I'm sure it would, if either one of us was stupid enough to discuss such things with F&G.

Alaska is a bit jealous-possessive of the hunting opportunities here. They are unmatched. Sad you would consider breaking laws as a regular course of action...

And AK is one of only three states with F&G not enforcing the laws. AK State Troopers do it here. Oregon is the same way, and I believe CT is the third.

All I can picture is this tiny little game cart made out of a roller skate......

Bullsh**. Sad that you would inject Alaska into the discussion and then accuse people of wanting to break your state's law. Your state's definition of guiding is ridiculous anyway.

I have a friend coming from back east to hunt elk with me this year. I'll show him a few spots and he'll probably use some of my gear. Sad that a state government would want to horn its way in on that.

"I'm sure it would, if either one of us was stupid enough to discuss such things with F&G."

You said it, not I...

If I lived in Alaska, you'd have a point. Besides your head.

Done it once.

Not again.

(That's what she said)



Dave

Your arguments are weak, going into insults does not make them stronger and you just look foolish...

Carry on!

Boy some of you Alaskans are the most argumenitive know it all whiners in the [bleep] country!! If you ain't bitchin your yap ain't moving... Kudos!!

Is there a more concrete definition of "guiding" in Alaska's law books?

Say someone moves up there, from Texas...Several years later he invites an old friend up there to hunt caribou with him. The old friends also plan a deer hunt together back in Texas at a spot that the Texas resident has hunted, but the Alaskan transplant has not.

No money is exchanged...just two old friends going on two hunting trips together. Would that situation necissairly be considered guiding by Alaska laws?

No, that example would not be twisted to guiding. Advertising a swap hunt on an internet forum would clearly be guiding by their definitions though. It all comes down to whether one is reciprocating a nonresident's action by providing hunting/guiding services. Old friendships show you would likely be hunting together anyway.

This is the state that once wrote a law that as a transporter I was not allowed to tell people anything about the game they were hunting! I could not legally point out a buck on a beach or even allow someone to look through my binocular! Those laws did not last long...

OK, thanks. I figured there had to be more leeway for the example I gave.

People say the feds are screwed up...but even a conservative state like AK has some ridiculous state laws, and similar levels of corruption.

Funny, that's just about the same situation I described earlier. The situation you said would "ABSOLUTELY" be considered guiding in Alaska.

The first time I went to Alaska the pilot told us he could point out any animals he might see as we flew to where we were headed. He said it was against the law since he was not a guide.

You would think the next pilot was piloting a pleasure cruise. He turned the plane around every time he saw anything he thought we might like to see or if one of us saw something he didn't get to see.

This was during the same three week time period.

Cognitive skills are a gift! Your inability to see the difference is telling.

Many realized how twisted the law was... also, on the way out you are no longer hunting...

Sitka deer,



It was a different company on the second trip. The guy was like a tour guide going in and coming out. We flew with him three times.

Bullish**. You read into my post what you wanted to. I didn't give enough detail for anyone to know the relationship between myself and the other hunter.

I will now. He's a friend, and neither hunt is conditional upon the other. And yes, I know that you couldn't discern that from my post.

Which is my point, moron.

Sadly for you, these are the posts that say the most...

"Originally Posted By Sitka deer
Originally Posted By smokepole
I'm pretty sure that if I invite a guy from back east out here to go on an elk hunt with me, and he lets me hunt whitetails on his place back there, neither one of us is "in the business."


That depends entirely on how your state regulates such things. In AK it would ABSOLUTELY be considered guiding.


I'm sure it would, if either one of us was stupid enough to discuss such things with F&G."


What part of your post do you think does not suggest you are saying to ignore the law?

My last comment here, you are obviously unaware how stupid you look...

You're obviously unaware that I don't live in Alaska and nothing in my post had anything to do with Alaska. I don't believe the OP mentioned Alaska either. I could never break Alaska's game laws by hosting another hunter there because I don't live there and never will. So I will never find myself in that situation, and am not advocating that others break that law.

Do you see how that works? I can draw a picture if you'd like.

Alaska (and you) are not the center of the universe.

My comment was on how ridiculous the law is. And how unlikely it would be that someone would actually volunteer information to implicate himself in an act that may not have even taken place yet, in another jurisdiction thousands of miles away.

Do you understand that concept?

Now that's just a damn lie! Alaska is the center of the universe, its been scientifically proven.

Well, maybe for salmon and white rams. Speaking of which, did you get yours yet?

Leaving tomorrow...

Good luck!