I'm thinking about lions. Well, one lion, actually.

I didn't used to think about lions, at all. Like anybody else, I'd seen lions in zoos and in circuses and on TV, but these seemed dull and shabby to me, even when I was a young boy. Where's the excitement, when the animal will sit on a stool for its trainer and roar on command for a scrap of old horsemeat? And what's the thrill of the sound of a grunting roar in a zoo that is barely audible over the sounds of the thousands of other pedestrians and the omnipresent drone of city traffic all around you? What would be the point in stalking a lion, who National Geographic TV explained was nothing more than a stud animal who lazed around all day while his wives gathered the groceries, and never lifted a finger himself? No, I didn't think about lions at all.

I thought about Cape buffalo, though, and the buff is what lured me to Africa. And it wasn't until I went to Africa to hunt and kill my buffalo bull that I met my first real lion. The lion who told me the truth: that those pathetic creatures in the zoo and on those lying National Geographic TV shows were not lions at all.

I met him in 2015, on my way to find Cape buffalo. We were out in the Land Cruiser on my first day in-country, just an afternoon's drive to look at the land and see what's what. Near the Nyati Dam, it was. A small pride consisting of a couple of adult lioness and three half-grown cubs were lounging in the shade of a smallish tree on the edge of a clearing about the size of a football field. Two of the cubs were worrying the remnants of what had been a warthog earlier in the day. The lionesses stood as we approached and watched us warily. The cubs watched, too, but with little interest. We drove to within 30 yards of the group and watched them through the windshield, and we took some photos.

Then my PH nudged me and pointed off to the right, and up the slope of the low hill, standing between a couple of mopane clumps, stood the lion. He was perhaps 30 yards away, and in the brilliant afternoon sunshine every detail stood out with crystal clarity. I could see the striations of the irises of his eyes as he looked at me. And he was looking at me; not at the hunting car, not at the trackers up on the back rack, but directly at me, as if he knew who the hunter in this group was, and I could almost hear his thoughts.

His attitude toward me was malignant. His eyes seemed to say, "I see you, and I know who you are. You are my enemy. You and your kind have been killers of me and my kind since time immemorial, and if I can, I will kill you and I will eat you." And in the depths of my soul, I felt a corresponding recognition of him as the enemy of me and my kind, and I wanted absolutely right then and there to kill him, and take his skin, and eat his meat, and then sleep the sleep of the righteous with a bellyful of lion.

Then he turned and slipped into the bush, and where he had stood was only bright yellow grass and white stones.

And ever since that day I have not been able to stop thinking about that lion, and his kind.

We saw quite a few lions on that safari, my PH and I. We also saw a lot of rhino (John counted 15, I only recall 11), a lot of elephant, and even a leopard. I was impressed by all of them, they're wonderful animals. But none of them stirred my blood, none of them made me want to kill him. Only the lion did that. When my wife came back to Africa with me in 2019, we only glimpsed a pair of lionesses one time, never an adult lion. But that didn't matter, I heard him grunting and roaring in the night, and I knew he was there, and I wanted him.

So now I'm wondering if I can make it happen. Can I get the money together to do this? Lions are hellish expensive, unless you shoot a tame one on a game ranch in SA. (I have no interest in shooting a tame lion.) The price tag isn't just for the lion himself, but for the way he is hunted. You have to shoot bait, which means buffalo (trophy and non-trophy, in most places), zebra, and maybe giraffe. Those all cost money, too. Not to mention the fact that lions live in country where all the other wonderful African plains game live, so there's chance you'll run across a sable, a kudu better than the one on your wall, an eland, or that elusive waterbuck you've not managed to collect on your previous safaris. And you need to invest time, because lions don't show up on a schedule... you need to book a minimum of 3 weeks in-country to have a reasonable chance of putting a bullet into simba's brisket.

Can I afford it? Probably not, but if I can move some dates and some other things around, and if I can line up some work I'm lining up that will pay as well as the proprietors say it will, I might be able to make a go of it. And if I do it, I have to do it soon. I'll be 70 before you know it, and even if you're a young 70, the grim reality is that a 7 followed by any other number is an age that should not be associated with a lion hunter. I'm looking online at various outfitters in Zimbabwe, Botswana, Tanzania, Mozambique. Wondering which of them can offer the best lion for a price I can afford, if any. I'm looking at the African outfitters who will be at the Dallas Safari Club convention in January, and thinking about who I want to talk to about this. I've reread Ruark, and Bell, and I just discovered and read Pease's The Book of the Lion (1914), and only slightly regretting the fact that chasing down lions on horseback is a sport that no longer exists, anywhere.

I have no plan to hunt lion. I have a dream, and I have a desire. Maybe you do, too.

Go for it! Scratch the itch.

My desire is for another buffalo and a leopard would would the icing on the cake. Did I mention Nyala, Eland, and a good impala.

47K trophy fee,,,

Are what you are looking for importable? Or does that not matter?

The last lions that I know of that were USFWS "importable" came out of the Kunene region in Namibia. Otherwise, you're paying for a hunt and will never see the trophy.

Lions remain importable, depending on where you hunt them. I know the lions from Bubye Valley Conservancy are importable.

Doc, just finished my third hunt with Johnlate July of this year. Did a double buffalo hunt and had a fantastic Safari. Saw lions multiple times. John just finished a 3 week hunt where they shot two lions, and also shot a leopard and multiple buffalo.

I too have the lion itch. If I could go right now, I would book with John. As I’m sure you know, he prefers to track them if conditions allow. It IS expensive and I’ve done the rough math in my head numerous times. High daily rates with minimum number of days, high trophy fees, and baits. My understanding is they are primarily using zebra and buffalo for baits. Fun to shoot a few extra buff for bait.

John will be at Dallas.

Regards

Well written Doc, I enjoyed it!

Doc, theres only two critters Ive seen in the wild that scare me.Deep primordial type scare.One is grizzlies, the other is lions. I was actually interested in a lioness because, like humans, the female is the dangerous one of the species. Almost-but not quite- got it done in Zim in 2000
Havent been back, and won't be going back...as you said, the 7+ anything is not conducive to that type hunting.
I wish you the best in your dream and quest Compadre.

+1, better budget 100K all in.

That's what I'm thinking, if I hunt in the Bubye with John. Best huntable wild lion population around, and fully importable. I'm looking at other options that may run a bit less. The price tag is daunting, I have to say...

I don't know if "scare me" applies, but I sure have a healthy respect for both those critters. I was terrified of grizzlies when I was a kid, but after a few close-ish encounters with them in Banff and Kootenay National Parks, the crap-my-pants scaredy-cat feeling went away. I've been up close with grizzlies (within 25 yards, roughly) perhaps a dozen times, and inside 5 yards twice... each time I was unarmed and very much aware of the danger level, and my heart was definitely racing, but I have never been charged or bluffed by griz, so that helps with the fear factor I suspect. I know I really, really really don't like being in griz country without a firearm any more, so that perhaps is more telling as to how I regard them than anything else.

I've debated whether I ever want to hunt Old Ephraim, and my gut tells me "nope" each time. Same as leopard. I respect them a very great deal, I love seeing them in the wild, but to date I've not wanted to hunt and kill one. I think I got bears out of my system a few years back in Alberta. I like bruins too much.

I dunno if I'll be able to get the lion deal done, but I can't stop thinking about it. I guess when I talk to John at DSC in January things will crystallize for me, or they won't. But if I don't do it by 2024, I don't think I'll ever do it.

DocRocket: first of all it is wonderful to see you posting again 😃

It is easy for me to spend other peoples money so please take my comments with a grain of salt.

If you can find a way to do the hunt without causing your future self significant financial harm I would encourage you to do it. I have had the joy and privilege of hunting in Africa four times (Namibia x 2 RSA x2) and I “dine out” on those experiences every day. I do not regret a dollar of the many I have spent in those trips.

From what I recall you are in my age bracket (60+), therefore the number of days we have that we can commit to a maximal effort project are becoming limited yet the days we have to “dine out” on those experiences are as long we are alive or at least out of the grasp of dementia.

Find the money, scratch the itch spend the three weeks in Africa hunting simba.

Final comment my opinion and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

Glad to hear you had a great hunt in the BVC! A double buff trip would be something!

Yes, part of the magic of going for lion is that a lot of bait-shooting is required. In the BVC, a 3-week lion hunter is allowed 6 non-trophy buff, one trophy buff, one each of eland and waterbuck and kudu, I think 6 zebra, 2 impala, assorted warthogs and bushpigs and hyenas, and I think 3 giraffes. The giraffes make excellent bait, I'm told (and the femurs make fantastic revolver grips and knife scales). Of course, you have to pay a trophy fee on each of those, so this adds to the cost of the deal considerably.

Of all the African species the Lion reigns supreme. Predator against predator on fair ground…..I think having a dark maned mature male would be the ultimate trophy. I hope you’re able to fulfill your dream.

I went to Africa 13 times before I even saw a lion. Most of those trips were in lion country. I've seen about a million tracks and a bunch of game camera snaps of lions eating my leopard baits though. Finally saw lions in Zambia a few years back, then saw a bunch this year and now I'm thinking I need one to crown and probably end my African hunting career.

Figure a little over $100 grand, a lot over after airfare and taxidermy, and the thing that keeps me from sending a deposit is how many leopard hunts that would pay for! And not knowing if the trophy will be importable in a couple years.

Good luck with your decision, I'm still worrying mine!

100 large is what my friend paid in Tanzania a couple of years back. He has his home now, gorgeous trophy

I had a opportunity to hunt Tanzania for plains game a couple of years ago. I hunted with KNS. I continue to communicate with them and see some hunting pics regularly. They hunt some great lions. Real brutes. In talking with them it appears they are probably the cheapest lion hunt in Tanzania. They show at DSC. You should at least stop by and chat with them. One of their newer concessions seems to have an abundance of cats. Good luck. Scratch your itch.
Bruce

Who is KNS?

Kilombero North Safaris. They have some great areas in Tanzania. Tom Dames hunts for them, great PH who is a hoot to spend time with. Ernest Dyason also hunts for them, another real good PH. I’d hunt with either.

Zambia has alot of lions, are importable, we used hippo for bait, same for leopard, plus has alot of unique plainsgame not found elsewhere, Johnny Duplooy is excellent PH - Muchinga Safaris, contact his wife Laura, first class all the way, hoping to go back with them next year for the third time, just waiting for the tender process to sort out

Gotta agree with you that the DuPlooys are first class, they’re wonderful people. Very organized. Looking forward to another hunt with them someday.

One of the most exciting hunts I’ve ever been on, attempting a stalk, but being stalked by a BIG male Lion.

Only thing that would get me back at this stage of life is a tracking lion hunt with John.

And there is no way I am going to spend that kind of money....so I will live vicariously through someone else!

One of you needs to get on this! See you at DSC!

Will be at DSC for first time.

Not sure I could ever spend their kind of money needed for trophy lion on BVC. Maybe one day a non-trophy hunt or maybe lioness.

Looking forward to meeting you at John's booth!

Will be flying in Thursday afternoon. Planning on being at the show Friday and Sat. See you there!

Very well written and well expressed in your OP DocRocket. I've always been a very voracious reader, even as a kid. While young my favorite readings were all of those books we all know about hunting Africa. Imagine my disappointment when I came to the realization that the cost, without sacrificing my future and that of my family, was beyond my means. It will never be for me. For those of you that are able, I will just have to settle for living vicariously through you. It's a good thing I enjoy reading so much.

Ive been six times to Africa and have yet to see a lion.A couple hunting saw one on the hunt just before mine and it was filmed by Ray Buchanan.Ray uses the footage in his intro on his "Rustic hunter Production" videos.I came close to seeing one on my hunt in Makuti.When I was retiring in my tent for the night, one started calling from about 50yds from me.I was impressed with the power of the call.I was once booked to hunt Lioness but the outfitter switched my hunt for a leopard hunt instead because there were no lioness permits being issued that year.I had no complaints I got a nice leopard.I would like to hunt Lion but it is too expensive besides at this point in my life I would be just as happy with a single buff hunt and a couple of plains game.Besides, there is no guarantee it will be an awesome or challenging lion hunt.

You’ve got to REALLY want a lion to spend 75+k for a good free range hunt with a high success(although [bleep] can still happen) rate.

Something like this huh Doc?
https://imgur.com/JZjGS4X

If you can afford it and it turns your crank why not?

I have bever seen a luggage rack on a Hearse, may as well spend it while you are vertical!

KillerBee
I think you mean vertical rather than horizontal.

Thank you for the correction RinB.

Happy New Year to you Sir!

I have had zero desire to kill a cat when while on a buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe I did take a little cerval. A little over gunned with the 416 but Jerry Huffaker did a wonderful job mounting it. While on a hunt/fish/play trip in Namibia with my wife, a cat person, we glassed a cheetah. The neighboring farm owner had reported four kills on his sheep just a couple of days before. My PH asked if I was interested. As they are non-importable and carried a $7k trophy fee I replied in the negative. He replied that it needed to be killed and was mine for the taking gratis. A couple of hours of spot and stalk resulted in a 35 yard shot.

Too cool....and beautiful!!

It is pretty much $100 all in, after all is said and done for a proper free range hunt. Remember, in Africa you get what you pay for. Did mine in '18. The importable free range hunts (Zim/Zambia/Tanzania) at the time ranged from $80-125. Those are reputable outfitters with quality lion areas. Yes it could have been/be done on the cheap(er) but reread the previous sentence.

The most magical hunt of my life. Having a lion so close that when he roars, the whole blind shakes is exciting enough, but multiply that by 3 lions surrounding your blind in the still of the night with all 3 roaring to each other is just as exciting as taking a buff with a bow or staring down a couple-three fake charges and then popping a frontal on an ele............ but for me, the magic of that lion hunt has never been surpassed.

Sango, Save Valley 2018.

Your lion Sir is the one of my dreams. A big, mature, dark maned lion like yours I’d trade every other African species for the stud of a lion like yours. Very nice job!

Tony-

Great write up and photo! Thank you.

Beautiful cat, Tony! Thanks for the reply.

Ingwe, do you remember those two orphan cubs of Jochen Heine that grew up to two large black maned males with the wild, piercing yellow eyes? They were in an enclosure, but they weren’t pets or tamed in any way. They would tune up about midnight and being only a hundred yards from the clients hut, the hair on your neck would stand up. They must have been 400+ lbs each.

I agree about grizzly’s and lions. When in their sphere of influence you can begin to feel skittish like you can imagine their game does, if game animals actually feel skittish.

Truly impressive beasts.

The USA is still importing lions from Zimbabwe.

Yeah, don't forget the tip. lol
I truly wish you all the best, on finding yourself a cat.

When I was in Cameroon I had a chance to go after lion. It would have been an add on trophy fee/permit of about $5K back then. I could not bring it back into the states and for that reason I passed on it. If I had it to do over again I'd probably go for it. But I was a lot younger then and costs were nowhere near what they are now for that sort of thing. Hind sight don't ya know.

Killed my lion in Zimbabwe in 2012 (Matetsi Unit 3). He weighed 440 lbs and was 10'6" nose to tail. Intense hunt, harrowing follow-up. Used a Dakota 76 African in .416 Rigby and a 400 grain Swift A-Frame (as loaded by Norma). Kreighoff .470 on the follow-up. No issues in importing him into the US. He now resides in my study and whenever I look at him, I relive the memories of that hunt.

I was in my early 60's then and in very good physical condition. Couldn't do it today, as my knees have become too arthritic to do much walking.

Exclusive of air fare, the hunt cost me around $70K, plus tips. Booked 28 days and shot him on the 4th or 5th day. One of life's great experiences and well worth it.

Outfitter was HHK Safaris and the PH was Anthony Crick. Both were first rate in all respects.

As time passes, you only get older and the hunts get more expensive. There's an old auto racing saying to the effect of "if you're ever gonna stand on it, stand on it now. The longer you wait, the slower you get".

My Zambia hunt this year (hippo/croc/buff with a bow) went pear shaped logistically here and abroad so I cancelled and just booked a SA lion/buff bow hunt in September. I have absolutely no interest in spending another $100k on a free range lion when I already have one stateside.

Don’t care that it’s not free range. Been there, done that. Spot & stalk DG with a bow is as good as it gets.

Now hunting leopard with a bow is gonna be a challenge. Ele not so much.

Here you go, Doc.

las... was he napping when ya blasted him?!?

Shot him with my camera in Ngorogoro Caldera. Lotsa lions in Tanzania if your guide knows where to look. It's frowned on to kill them in those places tho.

That's a helluva lion.

Sango is the best place I've ever hunted in Africa by a long-shot.

Never did lion but hunted buffalo, leopard, ele, sable and all plainsgame there multiple times.

Would love to go back some day but not sure it's in the cards.

Can anyone tell me whether you pay a lot less for a female lion? If the female does more of the hunting than the male, and if they are more ferocious (not clear on this point), then I'd rather shoot a female. A mane is neither here nor there for me, notwithstanding that they do look nice. Must be free-range, non-export is ok if it's less expensive. Thanks for any information.

I recommend you contact John Sharp. I don't know if he still offers, but in the past he did lioness hunts. Bait and then in morning look at tracks and then follow until you find them. More exciting than sitting over stinky bait.

Yes, I only want a tracking hunt (in lieu of spot and stalk). Zim. would suit me. I would just like to know the answers before I contact the outfitter (so that I don't sound too dumb), and leave the more specific questions to the outfitter. Thanks for that suggestion.

No idea if offered anymore, and if so likely non-exportable. Would definitely be cheaper. Seriously, touch base with John.

Nyalubwe

You got that right about Leo. Had lions scare the pants off of me a couple of times. One time, at dusk I was sighting on a cape buffao in Tanzania. As I was about to cut loose on the shot, 2 lions, not 25 yards away roared and sprung after the buff I was centered on and his mates. Obviously they all went di di mau to GTF out of there. Me included.

Another time, again in Tanzania, went to check the lion bait about 10:00 in the morning. Snuck through the riverine thicket along the sandy river bed, and slinked up into a clearing maybe 50 yards in diameter. The zebra haunch hanging from a big baobab tree had been fed on the previous night. Tracks, mane hair, craw marks on the trunk all showed some big cats had fed. As we causally admired the scene, 2 big maned lions awoke from their nap in the thicket not 30 yards from us. They were shocked to see us and roared to loud enough to shake your soul. Standing unarmed, our collective party went pale and damned near laid golden eggs as the pair ran across the clearing past us, away from the river!

Thrilling, but not cardiologist approved. Had that been near dusk, they very likely would have been much more aggressive.

Come talk with John Sharp at DSC Booth 4343 or SCI Booth 553.

If I make it back it will be for a tracking Lion hunt with John.

Me too, and an 80LB Elephant, would do both on the same Safari, good luck Doc ; ]

It is nice to hear the stories of people who shot their lion but you don't hear of the ones who did not shoot one and lost their money.
Hunting lion is a big gamble.Also I think it would be much less exciting now to hunt a lion than it was in the 90's and before because things are less wild.

Swiftshot, there is a lot of overselling done even by "well known" PHs. If you're a late season hunter, you might find yourself walking in circles as unbeknownst to you all the permits are taken. You then get the "sorry we didn't connect, I'll give you a discount next year so come back".

It's a game.

When I went to Vegas for vacation I passed by the casino during a poker tournament and saw all the players from all walks of life sitting at the tables gambling and I thought to myself "that was me during the years I was active in the African hunting scene".

Just curious. Why unarmed? A buddy of mine had the same issue with a brown bear this fall while out of the tent unarmed. I am almost never unarmed. In fact I can't recall being un armed. Heck having my pistol in the top of a clothes tote instead of out on the floor of the tent this fall as the bear tried to get into the tent was almost a big mistake.

Don't be silly, the cardiologists give drugs to increase patients' heart rates all the time when doing Cardiolyte-Persantine stress tests. This is just a more "natural" way to get the old pumper racing!!!

But I gotta echo Rost's query... why the heck were you unarmed while checking bait?!? When I was in the Bubye both times, any time we were out of camp we had our rifles with us, or within a few steps' reach. My PH told my wife strictly that if she had to go behind a bush to do her business out in the bush, she was to tell him beforehand so he or I (or both) would have rifle(s) in hand and be watching her backside... er, I mean, background.

Lioness is a lot less expensive, when/if available. In a lot of places they are not on license.

As for the relative ferocity and hunting ability, the Disney naturalists have sold Americans and the world a myth. Males participate in the hunt as much as females, moreso when the dominant game species are larger ones such as Cape buffalo and wildebeest.

Also: the risk of being attacked by a female vs a male is sometimes higher, depending on circumstances. Females with cubs of any species are touchy and quick to take offense, more likely to tear you up first and then ask your business after you're dead. Same as grizzlies, etc.

Go after one with a spear,like the Massai.Let us know how you make out.You won't be thinking of lion's anymore.

May have been unarmed while checking bait because his mother took Thalidomide during pregnancy.

6 weeks ago I was offered a lioness hunt in Zim by a friend, so I know they’re available.

It's in everyone's best interest to not believe anything this lying coward has to say.

I wondered how long it would take for my favorite internet stalker/troll to respond with another non contributing comment. Congratulations, you’re improving your response time. It’s fascinating living rent free in your empty skull.

A hunting site where posters give [bleep] to dollar for being who he is,is my kind of hunting site-lol.

Thanks for that, buffalo cow shooter. You do, of course, remember your PH telling you not to shoot, then shooting the cow instead of the bull you were supposed to shoot. It means a lot coming from you! The video you posted of the whole fiasco was quite entertaining….

You're lying, dumbass thoughts and quotes will live with you forever. You can't possibly believe the nonsense and lies you've posted. As far as living rent free, that phrase went out with the hoola hoop. I love to keep covtards thoughts and lies out in the public, and that's you.

Yeah, this covtard has been asked several times by myself and another guy to update his thoughts on the covid subject, and he ignores it. Tells you all you need to know about this lying loser. He gets away with it over on the muslim site he loves, with the rest of the covtard/libtard dolts. Not here, and he can't take it.

Are lioness exportable? I was under the impression they no longer were.

I think it depends on where they come from. For sure they can’t be imported from South Africa.

You gonna step up to the plate this time dollar, or take the cowardly way out yet again and dodge the question.....?

Nope, not going to debate medical science with one of the 3 stooges. BTW, since you repeatedly criticize the “Muslim hunting forum”, why did you post there from December 2011 to March 2020?? Slow learner??

Posted there until I figured out there were a bunch of cowards, covtards, and muslim asskissers like yourself. At least you admit on this board you're a fraud. You can't be this stupid and be a real doctor......no way.

You get kicked out on the other site if you are anti vax and lockdowns or if you have opposing political views with the moderator.I don't feel such a site should be encouraged or supported.

Yep. I found out over the years there that if you don't toe the libtard line, and agree with the forum full of POS lawyers and covtard doctors like dollar, you'll constantly have trouble. jdollar is a coward and fraud which is why he fits in so well over there, and doesn't have the balls to even make a statement over here. Says all you need to know about this wuss.

Took you 9 years there to figure this out?? You must ride the short bus….

They kept quite in the beginning to attract members.It is true what JGRaider says about libtards being liars.They are people you can't trust.

I give people the benefit of the doubt until they're proven cowards and liars like you. Didn't post there very often to begin with, but for a long time over there it was a good source of info on hunting Africa. That changed with and influx of losers like yourself, that Jines loser, and the plethora of libtard/covtard frauds that took over the place. Jines tried it over here for a while and got his asss kicked, licked his wounds, and left with his tail between his legs. So did that libtard loser from TN that you love over there. Same story. The muslim assskisssing over there is pathetic as well.

Right on swiftshot. This loser is easy to peg. Those that won't defend their weak positions are the easy ones.

So 50 pages and 987 posts isn’t much? George AKA the Montreal Moron changed his user name 3 times before he left after everyone called him out for his abject stupidity. In fact the last outfitter he hunted with in Africa stated publicly that he was an idiot and never wanted to see him again. You’re keeping good company on the short bus…..BTW,Jines and the loser from TN are still there posting but thankfully you’re not…..

Right on dollar. It's all here in print for all to see who the lying fraud and coward is, and that would be you. Yep, I should have figured out quicker who the rest of the frauds are over there that's for sure. You'd do yourself a favor if you commented on how wrong and misguided you are about Covid and the jab. Once again, it's all right here in print for everyone to see and that doesn't bode well for you. I told Jines a few years ago I was going to DSC to meet him in person, and that it would take me about 10 seconds to knock the taste out of his mouth. He wussed out and didn't show up at the meeting room. He's a pusssy just like you.

Well I guess I will jump in to this [bleep] show.

I post on AR and have battled with Saeed and called him everthing but a preacher and still on there.
Being a biologist in a previous life I thought Covid was hyped and that anything with such a low mortality rate could not be such a world ending disease! However, I have other friends that are in the medical field that originally thought the virus was going to be much worse and the vaccine was worth taking for certain groups of people. I believe they were sincere.
Well if you want to talk covid I can, but I can't argue more with Saeed and others on AR and they haven't kicked me off yet

Jeez, guys!

Take your squabble back over to the Hunters Campfire, where it's welcome. This forum is for people who want to discuss hunting in Africa.

Doc, you've never dodged this subject, ever. Jdollar is too much of a coward to handle it over there or I would.

You've got 12 posts on this board in 13 years? Why now?

Sorry if something ticked you off.

It’s just that their back and forth squabble has nothing to do with Africa and is on the wrong forum.

I usually just read the various posts here but became interested when it seemed it was believed people were kicked off AR for disagreeing with the liberal fools there

Sorry if my responding was not on the original subject of African Lions. I would much rather talk about African hunting than any other subject

I made several posts about lion hunting on this thread and every single time, Raider immediately went into personal attack mode, adding nothing to the discussion. Then George AKA shootaway AKA Ready Aim Shoot AKA swiftshot decided to add his 2 cents worth…..

Ok back to lion hunting.I would love to go lion hunting.

I consider it a PSA.......covtards suck, liars suck, can't be trusted, and you are one. You want some slack? Address the subject so we'll all know where you stand today. Pretty simple.

The subject is lion hunting but apparently your attention span is measured in seconds. FOCUS!

Now's your chance to grow a pair and set the record straight.

Obviously you are incapable of staying on topic. LIONS, LIONS, LIONS. Maybe your special Ed teacher can teach you some tools to help you focus your limited intellect. …..

Never-Trumping covtard/libtards like you are such an easy target though. You voting for Biden again?

Damn, you are really stupid. The topic here is LIONS! Read it slowly so maybe you can remember it better. LIONS.

Being your a supposedly "smart and educated" doctor, I wouldn't want to answer either if I were you, being on the wrong side of one of the worst fraud's ever perpetrated on the American public. I'd hide too come to think of it, so you're playing it just right. Your silence says it all.

and human rights violations-criminal act that is yet to be prosecuted

Here ya go dumbassssdollar....attempt to explain this since you're so smart. Doctors like you need your asswhipped.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/largest-multicountry-covid-study-links-002327626.html