China has been known for throwing head fakes. Before making such announcements they’ll short the market and when prices do drop they buy at lower prices using money made on the short sales.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
You guys don't want soy near your place and certainly not GMO corn.
You'll get Roundup, also known as liquid cancer blowing downwind and maybe in your ground water.
If you grow either, be ready in case Monsanto tries to steal your land. Just a friendly warning from someone who has taken their classes many moons ago, only to despise that evil company.
Can't tell here by looking, we rotate crops - keeps disease and pests down. Have to wait for ag reports.
But I don't get it. There's X demand in the world and Y supply. Beans are fungible.If the Chinese buy from somebody else where do the people who normally buy from somebody else go? Yes, somebody else may put more acres in beans but given demand for other crops that's on the margin, no?
Back in the days of co mmodity support for dairy government would buy cheese and give it away. My big fear is the government will mandate everybody gets free toe-foo. The great toe foo epidemic.Maybe it would substitute for ballistic gelatin in expansion tests.
You guys don't want soy near your place and certainly not GMO corn.
You'll get Roundup, also known as liquid cancer blowing downwind and maybe in your ground water.
If you grow either, be ready in case Monsanto tries to steal your land. Just a friendly warning from someone who has taken their classes many moons ago, only to despise that evil company.
Virtually all fields around these parts, except for the organic farms, plant GMO's, use roundup religiously and many have their fields cut in with human manure. Think about that next time you dump some soy sauce on your chow mein or load up your aunt jemimas with maple flavored corn syrup!
Well I guess they could buy our corn and weat if they go all in on beans. I don't know but as I understand it you can put only so much land into production at a time and there is a need to diversify crops. From an economic planner's point of view you also have to consider what will happen when the political BS stops influencing the marketas it always does. I'm not an economist much less an ag economist but I'm skeptical after hearing worst case and then some predictions since I was a kid.
And as far as Roundup I've heard that all before too with atrazine, 24D and the old favorites. still after banvel I see. So what do you do to keep yield up and the people fed? Dump more NPK into the watershed? Pick your poison I guess.
I don't think anyone uses manure around here, not economical. Except for the few dairy herds that need to get rid of the pile next to the barn every spring.
Thought I read a year or two ago where South America has increased soybean production by a fair amount.
Isn't that why they are/were burning and clearing a bunch of forest land?
There is an increased supply if I'm not mistaken.
Belize and Brazil have always been big producers, getting bigger annually. Their yields typically don’t match ours particularly in the Mississippi Delta regions east and west of the river.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
Beans are good for the soil.
How sure are you about that?
They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
Beans are good for the soil.
How sure are you about that?
They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen.
They tend to lessen the need for more nitrogen when double cropping beans followed by winter wheat.
I doubt you do little double cropping up in Pa. But I could be wrong.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
Beans are good for the soil.
How sure are you about that?
They do add nitrogen. They also need a lot of other nutrients to do well. Not just P and K either. But a list of macro and micro nutrients. People think of nitrogen as the thing plants need. It just one of many, and some others are required for the plants to be able to use the available nitrogen.
They tend to lessen the need for more nitrogen when double cropping beans followed by winter wheat.
I doubt you do little double cropping up in Pa. But I could be wrong.
There's a fair amount of double crop beans planted after wheat and barley harvest in the southeastern part of the state. Say south and east of State College. But the beans come off late enough in the fall that it's often hard to get seeded back to wheat in time. So they wait until the following spring and plant corn. The N from the beans is still there for the corn. The big problem is that soybean residue breaks down easily and doesn't provide any residue cover over winter. Soil erosion can be pretty bad in bean stubble.
China has NEVER been known to go back on their word, or manipulate the markets. Have they? ... <sarcasm> <eye roll>
They started in earnest back in the 1990s.
Some would even call them Ruthless Capitalist.
Ruthless for sure and capitalists because they make being ruthless a science. It's their way of manipulating the markets. Old Toot has already talked about manipulating the markets (selling short and cashing in so they can buy more beans with someone else's money).
Grain farmers here have a corn-wheat-soybean rotation that they use. Corn planted in the spring, harvested in the fall, followed by wheat planted as soon as the corn is shelled, then after the wheat is cut in June, soybeans are planted. Three crops in two years. Even when grain prices are down, they still stick by that rotation. The only exception is on land that is too wet for wheat, then it's a corn-soybean rotation.
Grain farmers here have a corn-wheat-soybean rotation that they use. Corn planted in the spring, harvested in the fall, followed by wheat planted as soon as the corn is shelled, then after the wheat is cut in June, soybeans are planted. Three crops in two years. Even when grain prices are down, they still stick by that rotation. The only exception is on land that is too wet for wheat, then it's a corn-soybean rotation.
Around here they do the same thing, except they bail the wheat stubble and sell straw to contracted highway departments and commercial landscapers. Kinda like having four crops in two seasons. For the longest time they let the combine spreaders scatter the straw, now it is worth almost what the wheat is when small square bailed. Straw goes for $5 a bail retail around here. About what alfalfa did a few years ago. Second crop soybeans generally have a lot less yield than early crop beans, but works out with the extra crops associated with it. Just a hell of a lot of diesel fuel planting, spraying , combining, bailing, picking up straw used with that much crop rotation.
my boys are working part time on a buddies farm to make some side cash. they all went in together and bought an old tractor and found an old rake and bailer for free that they were able to fix. they did 600+ bales of hay the other day and will get $3/bail for it. going to take a couple harvests to pay for the tractor but they are already talking about something else. corn, etc. i love seeing them do that kind of stuff. work 10 hours at construction and then bail and stack hay until midnight. pretty rare thing for young men around here to do.
The linked article says that China is buying beans from South America.
Who did South America sell their soybeans too before China started buying them? It seems to me that that market would still be available to someone.
China is the reason that South America cleared and planted beans in the first place. Caused by Carters embargo's. I don't figure that if they could find all that they wanted without us, we would never sell them any. During Carters embargo, all of the grain was sold, just the prices were lower. We sold to Canada and others, and they in return sold to the ones Carter would not sell to. They still got our product at the same price, just middlemen made the profit that the American farmer lost out on. miles
Could someone show me actually figures on the high rate of cancer deaths from roundup. Over a 20 year period I sprayed thousands of gallons. Please give me an idea on how soon I’m gonna die from it. Also please advise on how they are gonna steal my land so I can head it off. Ed k
my boys are working part time on a buddies farm to make some side cash. they all went in together and bought an old tractor and found an old rake and bailer for free that they were able to fix. they did 600+ bales of hay the other day and will get $3/bail for it. going to take a couple harvests to pay for the tractor but they are already talking about something else. corn, etc. i love seeing them do that kind of stuff. work 10 hours at construction and then bail and stack hay until midnight. pretty rare thing for young men around here to do.
Warm's my heart young men thinking that way. Learn how to thread that bailer and don't ever let it run out of string. Threading and working on knotters ain't fun to learn in a hayfield with rain coming and 95 degrees.
Could someone show me actually figures on the high rate of cancer deaths from roundup. Over a 20 year period I sprayed thousands of gallons. Please give me an idea on how soon I’m gonna die from it. Also please advise on how they are gonna steal my land so I can head it off. Ed k
Just a new Troll that has showed up Ed. As Travis would say, just move along. Sprayed bunch of it myself.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
I ran a four row cultivator, corn plow, on beans in 62. That fall the case PTO pull combine with canvas, kept plugging on goosenecks beans. My father put me on the combine with a broom to push the slugs in. I looked blacker than Al Jolson by night. no smilie icon.
my boys are working part time on a buddies farm to make some side cash. they all went in together and bought an old tractor and found an old rake and bailer for free that they were able to fix. they did 600+ bales of hay the other day and will get $3/bail for it. going to take a couple harvests to pay for the tractor but they are already talking about something else. corn, etc. i love seeing them do that kind of stuff. work 10 hours at construction and then bail and stack hay until midnight. pretty rare thing for young men around here to do.
Warm's my heart young men thinking that way. Learn how to thread that bailer and don't ever let it run out of string. Threading and working on knotters ain't fun to learn in a hayfield with rain coming and 95 degrees.
Yep. Enjoy reading things like Chuck posted.
You described the joys of making hay pretty good, too.
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
Ask him how much bail out money he got.
Typically, big farmers around here move crops from one bin to another to defraud the government out of bail out money. Some of them have raked in over a million over the years. They can get more by putting the crops in kids' names, etc. So you can't really tell if you just look the farmer himself up. It's public information as to how much people get.
Ed here not Jim. A classmate of mine has struggled raising organic beef and crops for years here in North Dakota. H e was a hippie with a dream that never really planned out. His wife had to drive thousands of miles a year trying to get rid of it at a profit. If you were near a huge city population it might work but it’s hard to fool country folks into believing the lies associated with organic stuff. Ed k
Gotta keep the fat city dwellers fed cheap. That’s why they give farmers just enough so most can stay in business. I know you don’t want to hear that but facts are facts. Ed k
The guy who owns the farm that adjoins my place has been alternating between soybeans and corn every year since I've been here. Corn was last year. He's planted beans this year.
Ask him how much bail out money he got.
Typically, big farmers around here move crops from one bin to another to defraud the government out of bail out money. Some of them have raked in over a million over the years. They can get more by putting the crops in kids' names, etc. So you can't really tell if you just look the farmer himself up. It's public information as to how much people get.
Ed here not Jim. A classmate of mine has struggled raising organic beef and crops for years here in North Dakota. H e was a hippie with a dream that never really planned out. His wife had to drive thousands of miles a year trying to get rid of it at a profit. If you were near a huge city population it might work but it’s hard to fool country folks into believing the lies associated with organic stuff. Ed k
For the most part, organic farming is a joke. Some of the local Amish and Mennonites here claim to be organic farmers, but ask their neighbors about them, and you'll get a different story. I raise and sell some produce for the local produce auction, one the largest in this part of the country. Buyers come from as far away as Chicago and Atlanta. They want quality produce, and I've never seen organic grown stuff that was equal in quality to that which was grown normally.
Ed here not Jim. A classmate of mine has struggled raising organic beef and crops for years here in North Dakota. H e was a hippie with a dream that never really planned out. His wife had to drive thousands of miles a year trying to get rid of it at a profit. If you were near a huge city population it might work but it’s hard to fool country folks into believing the lies associated with organic stuff. Ed k
For the most part, organic farming is a joke. Some of the local Amish and Mennonites here claim to be organic farmers, but ask their neighbors about them, and you'll get a different story. I raise and sell some produce for the local produce auction, one the largest in this part of the country. Buyers come from as far away as Chicago and Atlanta. They want quality produce, and I've never seen organic grown stuff that was equal in quality to that which was grown normally.
The linked article says that China is buying beans from South America.
Who did South America sell their soybeans too before China started buying them? It seems to me that that market would still be available to someone.
Would not be surprised to learn that a certain amount of U.S. soybeans are being shipped to SA, and then off loaded / reloaded onto ships with a Gold Star...
I know lots of guys that grow soybeans. It’s a rotation crop for wheat and barley and corn. Canola is another rotation crop up here. The only problem with (all ) these guys people say move grain around is that your insurance numbers must match your gov reported bushels or you end up in a world of Schitt as a few up here have. Mostly non farmers claim that happens all the time. Ed k
A bank up here has about 6400 acres for sale. I guess the guy wasn’t to big to fail. How can you go broke with all that free gov money? Gus should ponder that for us. Ed k
A bank up here has about 6400 acres for sale. I guess the guy wasn’t to big to fail. How can you go broke with all that free gov money? Gus should ponder that for us. Ed k
The fact that grain prices have been the same for forty years while all the expenses have gone up five times what they were sure doesn’t help. Ed k
Grain prices have seen their ups and downs over the years, driven mostly by the weather and the market scares. I've sold beans from around $4 a bushel, all the way to $12, back when I was growing them. If I'm not mistaken, the highest price for soybeans has been close to $18. So, while we have seen some good prices, the fact is that they don't stay that way, nor does the price of grain go up accordingly to the price of the input required to put out a crop. Add to this the fact that most people who aren't farmers have absolutely no idea what all is involved in the production of any farm commodity.
Farming is the biggest gamble in the world, one that makes the Las Vegas crowd look like amateurs.
Could someone show me actually figures on the high rate of cancer deaths from roundup. Over a 20 year period I sprayed thousands of gallons. Please give me an idea on how soon I’m gonna die from it. Also please advise on how they are gonna steal my land so I can head it off. Ed k
I am just not a fan of roundup. I have lived on a farm for the past 15 years. I do foundation repairs and concrete for mostly farmers. Roundup is prevalent and paramount to many making money in the business. My folks used roundup religiously for years. Pa died of CLL last year. Brother in Law next door is confined to a wheelchair with MS and lost his dairy farm , fields and woods. I do not have any figures on the high rate of cancer due to this and many other ag chemicals. I just wish we did not have to use it, but I understand it's need. I do know that similar chemicals are now and have been taking the lives of many that came in contact with agent orange in Nam. A sad deal! That being said , I do not know many healthy farmers in this area anymore!YMMV!
Just so you know agent orange is still being sold and used in the US. It’s used as a burn down for certain crops so they can be straight cut. Do I like that idea? NO! Proper usage is the key to most things in this world. Cigarettes are still legal and they have killed way more people than any chemical. Ed k
Just so you know agent orange is still being sold and used in the US. It’s used as a burn down for certain crops so they can be straight cut. Do I like that idea? NO! Proper usage is the key to most things in this world. Cigarettes are still legal and they have killed way more people than any chemical. Ed k
And alcohol, a legal product, is responsible for as many deaths as is tobacco.
Just so you know agent orange is still being sold and used in the US. It’s used as a burn down for certain crops so they can be straight cut. Do I like that idea? NO! Proper usage is the key to most things in this world. Cigarettes are still legal and they have killed way more people than any chemical. Ed k
And alcohol, a legal product, is responsible for as many deaths as is tobacco.
Are we now talking drunk farmers with lung cancer ?
Just so you know agent orange is still being sold and used in the US. It’s used as a burn down for certain crops so they can be straight cut. Do I like that idea? NO! Proper usage is the key to most things in this world. Cigarettes are still legal and they have killed way more people than any chemical. Ed k
And alcohol, a legal product, is responsible for as many deaths as is tobacco.
Are we now talking drunk farmers with lung cancer ?
Just so you know agent orange is still being sold and used in the US. It’s used as a burn down for certain crops so they can be straight cut. Do I like that idea? NO! Proper usage is the key to most things in this world. Cigarettes are still legal and they have killed way more people than any chemical. Ed k
And alcohol, a legal product, is responsible for as many deaths as is tobacco.
Are we now talking drunk farmers with lung cancer ?
Just remembering when we were kids on the farm. Dad had one of the first homemade sprayers in the area. He would put one of us boys at each end of the field so he could aim at us to know where to drive. When he got right up close you would take x number of steps for the next pass. We were often very wet with the spray when a field was done. It was just 2-4d so no big deal. Lol I’m still kicking so. Ed k
Just remembering when we were kids on the farm. Dad had one of the first homemade sprayers in the area. He would put one of us boys at each end of the field so he could aim at us to know where to drive. When he got right up close you would take x number of steps for the next pass. We were often very wet with the spray when a field was done. It was just 2-4d so no big deal. Lol I’m still kicking so. Ed k
I had a hose break while I was spraying beans with Dynap, basically 2-4-D, and it soaked my head and back. Went over to a nearby pond, took my shirt off, and washed off best I could, mended hose, and finished spraying the field. Used to have to mix the powered Lorox chemical in water to dissolve it, and have used my hand to do so. That was back before we knew better.
But at the same time I think it's fair to say that production has out-paced demand.
We are selling wheat for about the same price as my grandpa and father got 40 years ago.
Beef production is also much more 'efficient' than it was 20 years ago.
You might have similar acreage in crop or similar numbers of cattle but the yield has greatly increased.
Producing ourselves right out of a job....grin
We bought calves for our high country from the same folks for 25 years - had to quit buying from them when their calves got too large - we couldn't use them. Those calves weaned 10 pounds higher, every year for 25 years!
= just teasing
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