This older man I know, about 77 now, has been deer hunting his whole life. He always goes to W. Virginia and Kentucky. He stopped going to PA. because according to him there are too many stupid people and azzholes now.

Anyway, this guy has been using the same Marlin 336 35 Rem all this time. Since the early 70's I'd say. He put a very low power scope on it some years ago, many years ago, because he has the same old eyes we all tend to get. The thing looks like it was dragged behind a truck, but it will still put 5 inside 2" at 100yrds.

He always shot Remington 200 grain. He says it's getting hard to find and expensive. He wants me to load for him. I figure a 200 grain Hornady RN, not sure what powder. Another thing is moving the adjustments on that scope that have been setting on that same spot for a decade and a half or more. Will they move, will they break, I don't know. I think it's an old Leupold, not sure.

He has been a still hunter all this time, and very successful at it. He says, "If you're sitting you are watching, not hunting." and, "If you can't kill it with a 30-30 or a 35 because it's too far, you're shooting not hunting."

Like I said, old, stubborn, set in his ways and opinions. No point of doing anything except just nod in agreement with him.

Remington has used IMR powders in their ammo nearly exclusively, if my understanding is correct. I'd pick an IMR powder and load some up for him using the Hornady or Sierra 200gr RN bullets. 3031 at 37.5 grains produces about 2100 according to Hodgdon's data, and the same data includes 38.5 grains of H4895 for the same roughly 2100fps. If I was in your shoes, that's where I'd start.

If the scope is a Leupold and pukes send it back. Better to find out now no?

I would agree with this statement. Get some loaded and tested well before rifle season.

That way, if you get good groups but have to adjust the scope and it takes a $hit...there's time for leupold to help out in the warranty department.

The reason old people become stubborn IMO is because they see the world changing drastically and not for the better! It creates some pause concerning change and for good reason.

If I was loading for this old man I'd simply find a load to duplicate what he has been shooting and don't touch the damn scope unless you want to ruin it. Easy enough to find a load that will shoot to the same point of impact.

Trystan

I like him.

38.5grs H4895 200gr roundnose.

I've been loading a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington with 200 grain Hornady RN and 3031 for over 30 years. For an east Tennessee hog hunt I moved up to a 250 grain RN at about 1700 FPS that penetrated a big sow almost 2 feet diagonally from the neck to just ahead of the right ham and dropped her DRT. Nothing fancy- - - -just slow and deadly like Thor's hammer!

He would be MOST welcome in my deer camp, yes.

Regulate the load to the gun and scope settings. It's what we do with combination guns and isn't rocket science. Start with loads that closely duplicate the Remington factory loads. Chronograph the Remington loads. Their posted data isn't always close to what a given gun spits out. You can change both powder loads and bullet weight to get there.

You're a good friend.

+1 on IMR 3031, I shoot a 200gr. Hornady RN in my .35 Whelen with that powder, great accuracy and bullet performance on game.

Damn! I just looked, and 35 Remington is out of stock everywhere. Who'd a thunk it?

Sounds like a wise old man.....and successful

Remember Curly's "Secret of Life" its so true

I've got much more respect for a guy like this that the "shooter" that kills animals a 500-600 yds, to me that really not fair chase

It's such a poor seller that almost nobody stocks it, and the ammo makers just make a yearly small run. Try shooting a 22 Savage Hi-Power.

I'm guessing this old fart is probably good with hitting a pie plate at 25 yds, so probably no need to adjust the scope . . .

. . . . he's huntin', not shootin' in his own words.

Save your snark, little man. What an azzhole remark.

GFY !!!

He would be MOST welcome in my deer camp, yes.

Regulate the load to the gun and scope settings. It's what we do with combination guns and isn't rocket science. Start with loads that closely duplicate the Remington factory loads. Chronograph the Remington loads. Their posted data isn't always close to what a given gun spits out. You can change both powder loads abd bullet weight to get there.
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Pretty much my suggestion. The factory load showed just under 2000fps in my Marlin. Should ne easy to duplicate.

I have several guns chambered for uncommon rounds. I count the 35 Remington a VERY popular chambering. Maybe I need to catch up with the times.

Maybe he should try bowhunting

And learning to reload his own ammo, I mean what’s he been doing all this time?

Old guys who, based on deep experience, very well know what they are doing - - - who are highly successful in what they have been doing - - - who have learned to not mess with success in chemical and mechanical processes - - - - who are amused, rather than infatuated, by the talk and fuss about the "latest and greatest" new stuff that might give a smidge better outcome than the good stuff they already can do - - - etc., etc, - - tend to be stubborn about what they know and what they like/want.

For some wise folks, it's a good tendency. If the desire is to be helpful for a stubborn old guy, do as he requests and try to not meddle.

I don't see anything snarky about that. The old guy could probably pick up any gun with any random load and kill deer with it as far out as he wants to shoot. And probably not that he needs even that. He can probably get close enough to deer to smell their farts.

To me that's skill.

Hell yeah

I bet the hardass doesnt even need a scope.

Most all of us are set in our ways. I like what I likes!!!

I find the Sierra reloading manual and the "best recommended load" they suggest for both hunting and Target to be a completely acceptable recommendation every time I have tried.

Many of my best loads are exactly what Sierra recommends plus/minus 0.2 grain etc.

YMMV

You’ve gotten some good recommendations here. IMR 3031 and the 35 go together like peas & carrots. 4895 isn’t bad either. Don’t be surprised if the handloads outshoot factory. The 35 is pretty forgiving for the reloader. My guns usually preferred the Sierra 200 over the Hornady, but either is good for how he hunts.

Old70

Do you have his rifle to test these loads?

I’d make sure his bore didn’t look like a copper mine before handing some reloads off to him, (based off of the way you described his scope).

He and I think much alike. I am not one that never shoots past 100 yards, but I like to shoot close. I like hunting!
I am a good long range shooter and I fire out to 1000 and even farther fairly often. I don't shoot game out there however. Could I hit them? Yes. (most times) But to me, it defeats the reason I hunt in the 1st place.
I can shoot to 500 yards and not leave my own land. I can shoot to 750 by going on my neighbors land, and I have his permission to do that. I can drive only 20 minutes and fire out to any range I wanted to (2400 yards, but I own nothing that could be useful that far out)

I can and I have made some very long shots to kill game when I was a younger man, but I grew a brain and decided to stop pressing my luck for NO reason at all. In 50+ years of hunting, in many states and in several countries I have NEVER ONCE felt a true need to fire a shot at ANY game animal past 500 yards. Honestly, in the last 20 years I have not even had a passing feeling that I should shoot past 600 but one time (which was last year at a bull elk, WHICH I MISSED because I have never done ANY practice with that rifle past 450,) and I had just finished it 2 months before the season. I knew better and I should have let the elk go. Thankfully I missed it clean and didn't wound it or the task of getting it out of there would have been bad. It was bad enough considering my wife had just killed her bull from the same heard and the dead elk was in one of those places you have nightmare about the pack-out.

But in the last 26 years of so I can recall killing about 8 head of big game out past 500. In that same time I have averaged 8 head a year I guess. Some more and some less. So 8 is a realistic average. That's 204 head. As you can see, shots past 500 are quite rare for me and shots past 800 are non-existent. Why? Because I can ALWAYS get closer then 800.

Some say "there was this time that bla bla bla---- and I HAD TO shoot at 900-1400 yards". Well I guess my understanding of "HAD TO" and theirs are different. I HAD TO shoot X far when it was a war. But in my past-time of hunting, starting when I was a kid and now going into my 57th year of hunting, I have never"HAD TO" shoot that far at ANY animal. Not in any state at any time or in any country or under any circumstance. NOT ONCE! Yes I have done it, but I am not going to try to justify those shots as necessary. I would say I was young ------------and that I have grown up more ---------------(mostly)
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I encourage shooters to learn to fire accurately at long range and I feel marksmanship skills at ranges from 2 yards to 1500 yards are worth the time and effort to lean proficiency in. But that skill is to fight wars with, and defend your country, town, county, family friend and allies with. Not to kill game with. Game animals deserve more respect then enemies. We don't care if a wounded enemy is hit in the guts or hips.

So I think I would truly like your old stubborn friend. He and I would enjoy hunting together because we both like to HUNT.


Last year I fired 10 rounds at game and I hit with 9 of them, and I killed 6 head of game. I missed with the only scoped rifle I used last year. ALL other kills were with rifle with iron sights and ALL other shots hit. One deer was hit once in the chest, one hit to the off-side leg (cutting the chest hair and breaking the leg), and one killer to the head. All other shots with my iron-sighted rifles were perfect hits and all others were one shot kills.

1 Antelope doe with a M99 Savage in 300 Savage at about 150 yards. Peep sight, one shot.

1 Antelope doe with my 6.5X54 Mannlicher at about 12 yards. Open sight, one shot.

1 Antelope Buck with my M95 Winchester in 270 at about 35-37 yards. Open sight one shot.

1 Buck Deer with my 8X57 at about 140 yards (usually scoped, but I had the scope off for the fun of hunting with the standing iron sight ) one shot.

2 Doe deer with my M81 Remington in 300 savage. Open sight. One shot on one and 3 on the next of which 3 were hits.

And one missed Bull Elk at about 640 with my new Mauser 9.3X62. I never fired a single round past 500 with that rifle and so I guessed the trajectory would be the same as my old 7.62 match load from my Marine Corps days. It was close to the same, but not close enough. That was with a 5X scope. Clean miss.

My miss on my Bull was 100% my fault for firing with a rifle I was not practiced with, at that range and I would not have fired if I had not been asked to my 2 friends and my wife, right after she killed her bull. Is that an excuse? No! 100% my fault. I should have just said no, and gone after some other bull. So now I can't say I have never missed an elk. Up to that shot I could. My perfect record on elk is now destroyed for violation my own "rule" and I claim 100% blame for it

Damn good place to start.

The only downside I can see is that if the old dude misses - then it will be the fault of that d****ed reloaded ammo.

drover

Grafs.com has brass if that's what you're looking for.

Amazing how you ask for advice on this forum and it brings out the resident dikheads and their snide remarks.

Exactly

Buy 3 boxes of hornady leverevolution. 35
Stick em in his old boxes.
He will never know the difference.
Tell him it is a modern accurate hard hitting hand load.
And you cant find Rem bullets..
Tell him you bought components for him.
On the house.......
Save you time and he will have a exc load.

Tell him to adjust his elevation as needed........

Too easy......


JMO.......

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!


He’s 77 and full of wisdom, you can’t outsmart an old guy that sneaks up on whitetails.



And besides you probably missed the part about not being able to find ammo for .35

If all I shot was .35 Rem


I’d of made sure a LONG time back that I would always foreseeably have enough.

No other calibers to keep up with, a simpleton’s life?

Yeah, I’d never let myself get below 200 rounds ya know..,if’n I was so awesome at everything else.

He probably also had a super high ASVAB score and was heavily recruited to join the service.

And turned down a West Point appointment.

And hasn't been to a Wal-Mart in 30 years.

By the way, anything that isn't working as the retarded old man remembers is not going to be his fault. But it will be yours.

Rem corelock is available on gunbroker on buy now option and other places.

Leverevolution also.

Just gotta go back several pages and look.


Gonna check out armslist .
Back in a few.

My old man was good to go minute of card board box everything he ever killed was less than 50 yds

give it up man

These cantankerous old types see those “pointed bullets” and you’ll get a raking for being a nincompoop.

Lol!!!

Simple search of armlist
Turned up .35 200 gr corelock also.

Its out their to be found....
You just gotta buy it.........


Not 1975 prices though.
Which may come as a shocker to the old cat............

LOL!!!

I'm will be 77 in ten days.The reason us stubborn old guys are like that is long ago we found out what works and figure if it isn't broke, don't try to fix it. We don't go out and buy every new rifle with some whiz bang cartridge that comes on the market thinking it will make us a better hunter when in fact they don't. Those guys never learned in the first place that is doesn't make much difference what is stamped on the case head if you leaned how to hunt in the first place.

“Uhhhhhhuhhhh..huhuuuuuuuhhhh.....I bought this last box at the Woolworth’s for $3.88 ...great day in the mornin, boy howdy...they must be made o’ gold now’ordays”

I wanna Limburger cheese sandwich, some donald duck cartoons a nap

lol

Got 125 rds of Sellior & Belllot 8mm 196gr SPCE rounds .
100 of em same lot #

Thinking ahead when ya run low rather than out.
Which for me was when I had 1 full box left and 5 rounds from the previous 80 I intially had....


Some of us "young guys" (57) can hunt also......
LOL!!!


Some old guys were and have been fools their entire life...


Waiting to say that trump card that "age brings wisdom" wives tales saying.

Some of em even looked forward to the day they could say it all the time.

Like it is some sort of nugget to be dropped every chance they can for being a idiot their entire life and no one is around alive that remembers numbnuts from back in the day to check fire em....


JMO....

Ren, go to the hot dog thread

laughing

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^IS SO F....ING TRUE ABOUT ALL OF US.

I've had a Remington 722 rebarreled in 1989 by Douglas to 7mm08, put a cheap Six Enterprises composite stock on it. Not my only rifle but has been one of my favorites over the years and I've taken elk, deer, antelope,bear, coyotes with it. Both sons killed game with it growing up. My daughter in law killed her first deer with it and loved it so much I told her she could have it so I could justify buying the new Barrett Fieldcraft 7mm08 and I did.

Guess what? I took it out and I like the way my old Rem 722 handles better. Proved to myself how set in my ways I am and I dont mind at all.

Ok, running the 3031 first because I have plenty of that. I don't have the rifle yet, will though. The insides of that rifle are clean and tight. He's not the type to toss it in the closet until next year. As far as I know he have this rifle, an old bolt action 22, a Winchester Model 12 and two pistols. He's a hunter, not a shooter.

He is actually a motorhead, cars, trucks and bikes. He has a three car garage I've seen that he works in. You could do surgery in there, pin neat, even has shadow boards on the walls. He was some kind of aircraft builder or designer, engineer type. I remember him telling me years ago when he retired that he was going to be a consultant.

Cameron's wife died something like 8 or 9 years ago and he just dropped off the map for a time. He has a little place in Kentucky, family place, I don't know if he went there for a while.

Not my place to know and he ain't the type you go probing around for private info. The type that if he wants you to know he'll tell you.

The thought that comes to mind is I have all extra stuff. All the tools for reloading. Maybe I should offer to loan it to him and show him how. That and my old Lyman 49th manual should do I'd think.

If you get along with the old bugger then that is the approach I would take...sounds like he likes to tinker.

Bought a used rifle decided to figure out how it was sighted rather than re zero it.

I learned quite a bit. Accepted that bondage was a separate issue and proceeded to work the last setting out..
Bought some used books of similar vintage as the rifle and viola, I learned how it was sighted and why it was sighted that way ..
200gn. RN make a lot of sense at less than long distance.
You can work with a Dirty BC and lower load to come close but a RN is a great way to scrub off velocity quickly...

I think a lot of Cameron's thing is that he is of Scottish decent I believe. The first name is Scottish as is the last and he has these Sean Connery like facial features. And he is a miserly man. He buys stuff and keeps it up. I mean he drives something like a '85 F-150 and it is really kind of cherry looking. I kind of wonder how many times he's rebuilt that thing.

That IS a man who needs to get in to loading.

It is made for him.



Once he gets established introduce him to a Slnclairs catalogue.

I use the 200 gr. Hornady RN for my 336 in the wildcat 35-30 chambering, which is very close to the 35 Rem. I use them because they are really accurate, for one, and they coast a little less and are easy to find in stock. I have used IMR 3031 with great success, so I stick with it. I never load to max, but just a few grains lower, or whatever shoots best. If you know what speed the rounds were that he shot, the Hornadys should be close to the same POA.....close , but not exact. As for the scope, all you can do is try. If it doesn't shoot where you point, it isn't worth much anyway.

Make the old guy a deal he can't refuse, you supply him in all the ammo he wants and he takes you deer hunting 1 day a season. Watch what he does and listen when he speaks.

I just noticed you have a mean streak.

Unless you're sure his factory ammo's not available anywhere I'd make a strong effort to find it on line for him first. It will be a lot less hassle overall unless you get lucky and don't have to re zero his scope.

I saw Cameron Sunday fishing at the club. He is going to borrow the equipment.

He said he won a 22 hornet at a raffle. He said it was made in Czechoslovakia but he can't use the sights. What he describes sounds like a CZ 527 LUX. Well, I think I have the perfect scope for him. An old Redfield, old like it has friction ring adjustments. Perfect shape, really clear. I don't think I will offer to give it to him, might be insulting to his type. I think I'll deal that he puts my truck up on his lift and does the fluid film treatment for me. You can bet it will be done right. Good deal for me because doing that job on my back is a pain in the azz.