https://deadline.com/2020/08/califo...ges-in-its-history-this-week-1203015664/

As California struggles to rebound from the coronavirus pandemic, wilting heat and wildfires, it’s facing another dangerous crisis: blackouts.

As temperatures broke records across the state, California energy officials announced the first rolling blackouts in the state since 2001 and warned that the state was bracing for what could be the largest power outage it has ever seen, likely on Monday.


When asked about the number of Californians who will be impacted and how it ranks historically, the President/CEO of the Independent Service Operator — the non-profit that operates the state’s power grid — said he wasn’t entirely sure.

“I can’t speak to historical comparisons,” said Steve Berberich. “I wasn’t here during the energy crisis.”


When pressed by a reporter who had run the numbers and estimated that 3.3 million Californians will be impacted, Berberich assented that his calculations were “Probably fairly accurate.”

In 2001, the San Jose Murcury News estimates power outages impacted 1.5 million people. Given that number, 3.3 million people without power would be at least twice as large.

ISO officials said they were shutting down power to residents to prevent events of an even greater magnitude.

“We avoid demand exceeding supply to ensure there’s not a widespread system collapse,” said ISO Market Policy and Performance VP Mark Rothleder.

On Monday, officials said they expect blackouts to begin about 4 p.m. and extend through at least 10 p.m. in 2 hour blocks for each affected area.

A big problem is a shortage of power that could be imported from utilities in neighboring states. California has been able to bridge the gaps in previous heat waves because it could bring in power. This time, though, “we are facing diminished imports because the West is heating up,” said Berberich.

Governor Gavin Newsom said the state was using “all the tools in the tool kit” to meet demand. “We are likely to fall short,” he said, as oppressive temperatures stress the state’s energy system that serves five million households and businesses.

The National Weather Service warned of potentially record-breaking heat in the L.A. area on Monday and Tuesday.


Newsom noted that temperatures in Death Valley reached 130 degrees Sunday, a peak not hit since at least 1931, according to the National Weather Service. As a point of reference, the hottest temperature ever officially recorded on earth was 134 degrees, also in Death Valley, in 1913.

Newsom added that “rather extraordinary weather conditions” also have put firefighters under enormous pressure as they battle wildfires across the state.


Newsom pointed to the state’s shift to renewable resources as part of the reason for the supply shortage. Shutting down polluting gas power plants has created gaps in the state’s energy supply, he said.

While the state remains committed to a greener future, Newsom said, “We cannot sacrifice reliability” and promised that officials would be “much more aggressive … in making sure that is the case.”

Big power users are being allowed to shift to backup sources and stored energy that is typically restricted as state officials work to urgently deploy more resources systemwide, according to the governor.

A statewide Flex Alert calling for residents to voluntarily conserve electricity remains in effect through Wednesday. Officials are also urging businesses statewide to restrict their usage. In some cases, the state is asking business owners to support outreach to their customers about conserving energy. Newsom named Telsa, a major manufacturer of electric vehicles, as one of the businesses working closely with the state.

The California ISO issued the Flex Alert on Sunday, saying there is insufficient energy to meet high consumer demand during the record-breaking heat wave. To minimize the need for controlled outages, residents were asked to use air conditioning early in the day and set
thermostats at 78 in the afternoon and evening hours, while avoiding the use of major appliances between the hours of 3 p.m. and 10 p.m.

The alert followed blackouts Friday and Saturday that Newsom said came without warning.

The Governor yesterday convened an all-hands meeting with California Independent System Operator (CAISO), the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), the California Energy Commission (CEC), the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services (Cal OES) and senior administration officials and called the weekend service disruptions “unacceptable.”

Newsom announced Monday that he had signed an emergency proclamation to free up energy capacity.

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power said Friday’s rolling blackouts did not affect residents of the city. “We own our own power plants and transmission lines and had enough supply to meet demand + req’d reserve,” the department tweeted. “We encourage our customers to conserve to help state grid and reduce strain on system.”


On Saturday, high temperatures increased electricity demand while one power plant was down and wind power fell short, prompting a Stage 3 Electrical Emergency that lasted 20 minutes. It was called at 6:28 p.m., making rolling outages imminent or in progress, according to the California ISO.

No major outages were reported Monday by Southern California Edison, but peak power demand would likely trigger outages later in the day.

In a letter, the governor said the blackouts were called Friday and Saturday without notice and demanded an investigation.

“Residents, communities and other governmental organizations did not receive sufficient warning that these de-energizations could occur.
Collectively, energy regulators failed to anticipate this event and to take necessary actions to ensure reliable power to Californians,” Newsom wrote.

“This cannot stand,” said Newsom at his midday press conference. “California residents and businesses deserve better from their government.”

Berberich said the ISO did a poor job of warning residents, utilities “and particularly the governor’s office” last weekend that blackouts were imminent.

“We own that and we’re sorry,” he said.

Power providers say a lack of supply from sources outside the state contributed to the shortage, as other Western states struggled to meet their own demand during the heat wave.

During his midday Monday news conference, the governor promised the investigation would be swift and comprehensive.

The stakes are high for Newsom, who two weeks ago faced a failure of the state’s coronavirus data system; the 2001 blackouts were widely seen to have contributed to then-governor Grey Davis’s political demise. He was recalled by voters in 2003.

Good.

What a place to live.

.gov wants everyone to be dependent on them yet they can't provide.

Almost like a third world country.

Happens every year.

Makes you wanna ask, Just how “Green “ is dark ?

Wonder how this will affect the the so called exodus from California.

Also wonder what hoops a L.A. homeowner has to jump through to own or have a standby generator installed at their home or business.

They actually realize they're in this spot because they've abandoned reliable generation for not reliable generation Their solution is to build more not reliable generation. Sheer religious fanaticism.

2 things 1. Not one fugging word about eliminating conspicuous consumption (think electronic billboards excessive after dark lighting) 2. When you have a gay governor who calls for an "all hands" meeting is this a deluxe circle jerk and he's the pivot man? Jfc I don't feel the least bit sorry for those fugs.

So the Fruits, Flakes and Nuts will be in the dark. No skin off my butt.

Didn’t they fuss over ENRON doing that

People are just ignorant living under those conditions.

I suspect there also is some other things going on here too. Warren Buffet is a major owner of Pacificorp Power,most of western Oregon and mountain northern Calif. which has a lot of excess generating capacity through hydropower. In Calif power is controlled by Independent Systems Operator, an organization who controls the inter-ties from the various companies and they said they are coming up 4,400 megawatts short. So, they have to buy it at premium prices from somewhere. Enter Pacificorp who supplies my rural area, we were shut off in the heat of the afternoon the last 3 days. I suspect they are selling power to go south to the cities to ISO at the inconvenience of their own customers. I'm just speculating, but it is a hell of a coincidence.
And as a backstory, Pacificorp owns 4 old dams on the Klamath River, that have been generating clean power for over a hundred years, now the Enviro nuts and the Indians want them out as harmful to salmon. But, nobody wants to foot the bill for dam removal, so the Enviros and the Indians asked Warren Buffet for a loan to remove his own dams. The salmon runs have survived the dams for over a hundred years, so it's not really about the fish...it's about the money, 446 million last estimate, that would be a nice little contract for a minority owned construction company.

[bleep]' paradise!! Those people are so lucky! I hope SoCal is right in the middle of the Power Outage Action!

You anti californians are always so blatantly ignorant of the facts.

2016 presidential election results were 62% for Hitlery, 38% for Trump. If those numbers tell you MOST of California residents are democrat, pinko, gay, etc, y'all need to go back to school. 40% of us HATE democrat rule, and we sure wished it was more on our side, but it isn't like it was when Reagan was elected. It's like what's happening to Colorado and other states, the ones you will be trashing in several years and suggesting they all move to a more republican state!

The dimwits repeat statements like " you all voted in your officials", now live with the results. Funny, it takes 1 % for either party to win, or loose, albeit many times it is more like 5-10% for the winning side ( hillary was an odd duck for females to vote overwhelmingly for), but it sure the [bleep] isn't "all you who lost suck eggs..... you deserve what you got.

Just waiting for my 1-2 hour outage, which I have not seen yet, but the week is young, lol.

somebody needs to insert that kid from the simpsons doing the haha. i'm too lazy

Are your taxes paying for about the most anti-American state government in history?


You do sound like a true patriot though. Just like Sal that can't leave because he has nothing.

Newsom thanks you for his salary. Paying his salary is akin to me writing a monthly check to Antifa/BLM/Moveon.org etc. Congrats?

Michigan's up next. Halve of the states power is from Chitcago. I would bet that Kali's problems are contrived political issues.

I hope they all stay there.......

the rest of the real west is full up

If they are contrived how does that help the ruling party?

Hope you folks in Michigan don’t get hit with blackouts.

Besides the old standard default excuse of blaming Pres. Trump they now have a new excuse: COVID..... Because when anything bad happens in these lib run states it's NEVER their fault and ALWAYS someone or something else's fault. I should know. I live in NY state.

So California, hows that green energy working for ya??😀

The biggest nuclear power plant (Palo Verde) in the world is about 70 miles west of downtown Phoenix. They built it in the 70’s-80’s as California wasn’t supportive of a large nuclear power plant being built there. Much of Palo Verde’s power is however sold to Southern California. But as it is record breaking heat in AZ too right now, I guess CA ain’t getting the power.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/03/08/california-is-a-cruel-medieval-state/

California Is a Cruel Medieval State
The Golden State has become a cruel and unusual place because callousness and narcissism were redefined as caring and compassion.

By Victor Davis Hanson • March 8, 2020
One way of understanding California is simply to invert traditional morality. What for centuries would be considered selfish, callous, and greedy is now recalibrated as caring, empathetic, and generous. The current ethos of evaluating someone by his or her superficial appearance—gender or race—has returned to the premodern values of 19th-century California when race and gender calibrated careers. We don’t pay medieval priests for indulgences of our past and ongoing sin, but we do tweet out displays of our goodness as the penance price of acting amoral.

A paradox ensues that Californians both have a high, indeed smug, view of themselves and yet do a lot of damage to their fellow human beings. Their haughtiness is based largely on the reality that Silicon Valley, sandwiched between Stanford University and University of California, Berkeley, became the birthplace of the global computer, internet, social media, and a high-tech revolution. For progressives who deprecate the capitalist lifestyle, having a lot of money still allows one to say one thing and live out the opposite.

The state’s multi-trillion-dollar companies have hired tens of thousands of seven-figure, mid-level executives and computer experts who assume that life in the California coastal corridor is a birthright paradise.

The resulting tax revenue bonanza to the state allows one-party-rule to rid California of the old bothersome Reagan-Deukmejian-Wilson working- and middle-classes by embracing not-in-my-backyard zoning, identity politics, anal-retentive regulations, steep tax rates, utopian green agendas, open borders, and decriminalization of things that used to be felony offenses.

Indeed, the bigger and wealthier California became, the more the rich sought to privatize their lives and to give up on public services, the more the middle classes left the state, the more the poor from Mexico and Latin America crossed the southern border illegally, the more its schools deteriorated, and the more its infrastructure ossified and became decrepit, from century-old power transmission towers to pot-holed and jammed highways.

The resulting medieval society is now one of a few thousand millionaires and millions of lower-middle-class wage earners as well as millions of abject peasants and poor serfs. Those on the bottom receive relatively generous subsidies to just get by. Over a quarter of the state’s population was not born in the United States. A fifth lives below the poverty line. One-third of welfare recipients in the United States live in California. These are statistics of which our moralists in Malibu or Mill Valley either are ignorant, or simply shrug that they don’t care.




In a paradoxical way, California would have to become much more impoverished than it is now to seem a far worse abode than the birthplace of most of its current immigrants from southern Mexico, Central America, China, and Southeast Asia. That is, while the middle class has been leaving in droves, given the abject decline of their beloved native state, the even poorer newcomers have a quite different benchmark of comparison. Compared, to say, Oaxaca, or rural China, California’s is rich, free, and eager to subsidize even illegal arrivals.

The coastal rich and professional classes make so much that they are willing to put up with the state’s high taxes and poor services on three assumed premises.

First, state redistribution of some of their vast incomes doesn’t hurt all that much, while offering atheists, agnostics, and secularists generous medieval penance and fides as true-blue progressives. As long as the coastal tech economy, financial services, entertainment, tourism, and blue-chip research universities keep booming, the state within a state doesn’t worry about the funding-to-benefit relationship between soaring California taxes and commensurately declining public services.

Second, the coastal enclaves have enough money to navigate around the ramifications of their own ideology, whether by avoiding much of the state’s interior, putting their kids in private schools, living in tony gated communities, buying concierge private healthcare, and ensuring that the Other, who daily ventures into their neighborhoods to do domestic and outdoor chores, leaves by nightfall. Buying a Range Rover or Mercedes SUV or even a Gulfstream is a good way to ease the burden of fighting climate change, just as one’s concierge doctor can galvanize his support for Medicare for All.

Third, our blessed lords and earls envision California not as a single state. Indeed, most coastal dwellers have never visited the small towns of the Central Valley or the Sierra foothills or the northern third of the state. Instead, they see these areas the way Manhattanites look at Rochester, or Chicago looks at southern Illinois. In their view, freakish 19th-century mapping created California, and so they have no concern what Outer Californians think of the way they govern the state.

The result is abject cruelty. How can state leaders impose the highest gasoline taxes in the country, and then allow sections of their main longitudinal freeways—large swaths of the 99, the central coastal 101, or most of the West Side I-5—to become gory 4-lane motorized gladiatorial arenas?


As traffic quadrupled over the last half-century, the state’s freeways necessary to drive across California remained calcified. And the result was that lots of people simply died, and that calculation was always baked into California governance as tolerable. By that, I mean, our masters of the universe couldn’t care less that the 99 “freeway” has become, by most metrics, the most lethal major thoroughfare in the United States. Out of sight, out of mind.

“Winners” and “Losers”
Much of the state is a natural desert—ironically in some of the toniest places where the rich dwell, from Montecito to Carmel.

Yet no major reservoir has been built in nearly 40 years, a period during which the population doubled. No doubt, 19th-century California was a paradise—Hetch Hetchy undammed, the lush delta flooding over millions of acres, upstream salmon fighting the San Joaquin River white water from the Bay to the Sierra Nevada.

But such fantasies are no way to run a 21st-century state with open borders, 40 million people, and a population that to survive and eat needs daily vast transfers of irrigation and municipal water from the wet north and east to the parched center and west.

Releasing to the sea millions of acre-feet of reservoir water or never allowing it to be banked in established manmade lakes means that millions of struggling rural residents drill new, multi-thousand-dollar domestic wells to survive, farmers idle land, and the poor lose jobs. The elite response is that there is no mental connection for them between what is sold at Whole Foods and what is grown outside of Bakersfield or Salinas. They muse why do such exploiters of nature have to drain our state’s aquifer? And they assume that while Hetch Hetchy and the Owens Valley are critical to bring the anointed water, all other such huge water transfer projects should become negotiable.

One of the strangest sights in California is the horde of trailers, ratty cars, and dilapidated Winnebagos parked throughout moralistic Menlo Park, Palo Alto, and Sunnyvale, juxtaposed with gleaming high-tech corporate campuses. The most empathetic and caring people in the world, as they remind us hourly, turn out to be pretty callous about the “losers” in their midst who live in mobile and makeshift quarters on the street to keep Silicon Valley humming.




At least 19th-century company mining towns did not have the percentages of transients and homeless as does the richest, most caring landscape in the world. Those who can afford $1,000-a-square-foot coastal cottages assume that the losers who can’t code just couldn’t cut it. If you insist on driving a semi, or welding tanks, and you are not willing to program, then why in the world should you dare imagine that you deserve to live within 50 miles of the California coast?

To walk in areas of downtown San Francisco, Los Angeles, Fresno, or Sacramento is to venture into the pages of Boccaccio or Dickens, as thousands defecate, inject, eat, drink, and urinate on the sidewalks. Should the coronavirus ever incubate there among California’s hundreds of thousands on the street, the result would make the current nationwide caseload look like the common cold. Indeed, an epidemic among the tents and grocery carts of the state’s main cities would become hideous and terrifying—and right out of the accounts of Thucydides or Procopius.

These ebbs and flows of homeless villages often lap up near the commuting corridors of the hyper-wealthy pedestrians and commuters. The former appeared bothered and so play the role of mounted knights that rode on by beggars outside the walls of the keep.

Truth and Consequences
In California’s upside-down morality, what is ethical is allowing thousands to live in fetid filth and to endanger their own health and that of an entire city, or waving in millions of foreign nationals without health audits, background checks, or legal permission. The Silicon Valley moralist at coffee seethes that Trump “put people in cages,” while in private is relieved that there are not caravans of tens of thousands headed his way from Central America—in the age of the coronavirus.

What is now considered unethical would be either to provide planned suburban or rural homeless campuses with sanitation, clean food, and dormitory shelters, or to ask illegal immigrants in their home countries first to apply for U.S. residence through legal channels, to undergo legal, health, and job audits, and in the interval to learn English and the customs and laws of their desired new home.

Instead, opening the southern border to millions of destitute Central Americans and southern Mexican nationals is proof of one’s morality among the wealthy of La Jolla, Santa Barbara, Pacific Heights, and Sausalito—again at least in the abstract. Few of them venture to a Merced, Sanger, Madera, or Firebaugh school to see the impact of tens of thousands of immigrant youths, without English, money, or skills suddenly overwhelming local school districts.


Fewer experience the effects on driving and law enforcement when millions of foreign immigrants navigate without prior experience of U.S. traffic laws, and without licenses, insurance, and registration.

No moralist seems to worry that tens of thousands of Americans, among them Mexican-American citizens in particular, depend on access to state and federal dialysis centers and hospital emergency rooms, many of which are now overwhelmed with non-citizen new patients.

To write the above is proof of one’s callousness, to be its architect evidence of one’s caring.

So those who craft sanctuary cities never venture into the Reedley emergency room, or know what a rural Tulare County sheriff encounters on a Saturday night, or what it is like to drive late on a Saturday night on a rural road in Central California, or would dare put their children in the Delano public schools, or to live outside of Mendota with the house pump sputtering sand. Those who insisted on continuing with a money-draining, high-speed rail boondoggle rarely try to drive east on Highway 152 outside Gilroy and thereby learn the consequences of allowing roads to become Road Warrior death zones.

Those legislators and executives who dreamed up decriminalizing thefts under $950 never worried about how the lost inventory of a family-owned store destroys middle-class aspirations. They certainly are careful about where not to shop, especially not where hordes of teens swarm and walk out each with mysteriously less than $950 in loot.

California has become a cruel and unusual state because callousness and narcissism were redefined as caring and compassion.

Fuqk em, when they get tired of it maybe they'll do something about the politicians that cause all their problems, or leave.

PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electric) might be the most criminal utility company in the US.

Their malfeasance caused the #campfire in Paradise, that wiped out and entire town in minutes. They have routinely been bailed out of major lawsuits for poor maintenance, fires that have been started, billing errors, etc.

One of the biggest train wreck states relies on their power from the BIGGEST train wreck company.

I agree. The problem though is when they leave there, they wind up in some other place, not yet having that epiphany saying “well, we ruined that place, so I left, and I am not going to do that at this new place.” They rarely learn from their mistakes and like say a parasite, simply find another “host” and start doing it there.

So then you....don’t agree?
Where Is it exactly you all think “we” should leave to then? Tennessee? Alabama? Arizona?

Another problem in California is that people are buying more and more electric cars. When do you think they

Charge the batteries? Well they plug them in at 5:30 or 6:00 PM and suck as much energy as that A/C that is running full tilt.

If the number of electric cars becomes a much higher percentage of cars on the road we will be way short on electric power.

More natural gas power plants will have to be built or one that use some other form of energy. Natural gas is the cheapest and is pretty

clean. We will see.

This really has only been done once throughout history. It started about 1492. I have read about tyranny and have always wondered why the people didn't step in and do what needed to be done but it never seemed to happen. Just look at how Iran treats its people yet they just go along, other places too. Too many people are afraid to do as the brave 56 men did that signed the Declaration of Independence, "we pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor".

Yeah,...and 40% of you might as well sleep in on Presidential election day.

No, I do agree with mirage243.

But when those folks leave, they just find a new “host” to do it to.

Fahq Kommiefornia. Let'em roast in the dark.

Wouldn't effect me if they did.

Reaping what they have sewn.

You may want to take your own advice and return to school yourself. 62% is more than a majority, it is a super majority. Face it, Y'All gave up your state to a bunch of clowns and now you fools are exporting the clown show to the rest of the nation. They should build a wall around CA and shoot anyone that tries to leave.

That’s bold talk from someone who’s state is getting bluer by the year.
Maybe you should stop importing Californians before you give up your state to a bunch of clowns, eh?

I'll bet Gavin and company won't be without AC and ice cream.

You just made my point Dummy. Shoot them and they can't pollute other states. Get it? How long have you been incapable of reading?

Look up Anarchy.

Right. I think I follow. So when are you gonna man up and start shooting them/us?

Yep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

If it was legal, Yes. I would shoot any fool from CA that is trying to leave that state and screw up another. Displaced idiots from CA already screwed up my native state of CO and I sure don't want to see more of the idiots from CA ruin TX next. If CA is go great then you do you idiots flee to other states in the first place?

Build a wall around CA and shoot anyone that tries to leave before they fix that cesspool. Or encourage them to secede so the rid of the USA can be rid of them. The rest of the nation despises your shi+hole.

Only a Texan would get so worked up and full of bluster. Lol
Painting with a pretty wide brush there boomer.
I think you might want to take advantage of those lower prescription prices before the old ticker pops a gasket.

Fug you guys!! 40 % of Ca. voters voted for trump which is a lot more than many stats. Get your heads out of the sand. Most everything north of San Francisco is conservative country with a couple of exceptions. The folks up here just as patriotic as many of you guys just mouthing off. Sure we have a problem but it boils down to the populations of L.A. and San Francisco. Newsome has the morals of an alley cat. Banging his campaign managers wife, and the bitch running for vice pres slept her way up the political latter. But if you are a Democrat that is acceptable. Look what's happening in Washington and Oregon and Virginia and New York. Inroads are also being made in Texas. The point being, its not just California where this sh'' is happening. Its happening because people just give up and don't vote which is a shame. I might also add, that the Democrats of today are not the same as they were 60 or 70 years ago. The radical swing of the party has taken over and I know some who are starting to consider switching. But it won't probably make any difference in my lifetime. By the way, I have a generator so let them turn off the power. I also have solar as I am at war with PG&E.

He’s too busy shooting all the Mexicans.

I'd rather have the Mexicans in TX than the CA idiots. At least the Mexicans learn to vote conservative after a generation, CA idiots never do.

Just stay in the land of the queers and we won't have any problems. Here's a deal, I'll stay in TX and you stay in CA. Deal?

fwiw, it was the people who moved into CA from other states and countries that screwed it up. Just like Colorado, and soon to be Texas. One vote only goes so far, don't know how a state stems the tide. Shooting them as they come in would be one way, let us know how that works out.

Here's another way.

So only 40% of Californians voted for Trump, eh?

What percentage of Republicans in California, and also in my state, didn't bother to vote at all?

Cite your source...

Michigan uses aprox 3% of the electricity generated in this country. We produce 3% of the electricity generated. While we might be buying electricity from chitcago on the west side of the state we're selling off electricity generated on the east side to the power grid.

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If it was legal, Yes. I would shoot any fool from CA that is trying to leave that state and screw up another. Displaced idiots from CA already screwed up my native state of CO and I sure don't want to see more of the idiots from CA ruin TX next. If CA is go great then you do you idiots flee to other states in the first place?

Build a wall around CA and shoot anyone that tries to leave before they fix that cesspool. Or encourage them to secede so the rid of the USA can be rid of them. The rest of the nation despises your shi+hole.
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You should go back to CO and quit fuggin up Texas.

This coming election is the last chance to keep America a republic ruled by the constitution. If we slip into a communist ruled country it is the end of America.

Kalipornia IS a third-world sh*thole.

🤣

Lmao

Ok dude......

You should go back to CO and quit fuggin up Texas.[/quote]

I'm not fuggin' up TX. I'm more conservative than most native born Texans. After 25 years on active duty I tried to return to CO but clowns like you screwed it up so I went to TX. Sort of like Davy Crockett "You can go to hell, I'm going to TX."

NO, they don't, not in numbers that mean anything statistically. Hispanics in the US vary in voting for Dems from 68% to about 74%, depending on the election, and going back over 100 years. Whites of European ancestry are the only swing voters. So if your State fills up with Hispanics, it will be Blue, Blue, Blue forevermore.

I wish people would keep their mouths shut when they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

How did I give anything up. I did my share as a voter.

You probably bitch about Californians driving real estate prices but it's your greedy neighbors putting it to you with their asking prices.

[/quote]I'm not fuggin' up TX. I'm more conservative than most native born Texans. After 25 years on active duty I tried to return to CO but clowns like you screwed it up so I went to TX. Sort of like Davy Crockett "You can go to hell, I'm going to TX."
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So you left Colorado Because it was “screwed up” and went to Texas and are more conservative than most native born Texans...

Yet a Californian who is more conservative than a “native born Texan” trying to leave a screwed up state deserves to be shot...

HoLeeSchit you can’t make this up...

Nice. I too have a generator, solar and a pool I can use to cool off.

You should go back to CO and quit fuggin up Texas.[/quote]

I'm not fuggin' up TX. I'm more conservative than most native born Texans. After 25 years on active duty I tried to return to CO but clowns like you screwed it up so I went to TX. Sort of like Davy Crockett "You can go to hell, I'm going to TX."
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Ironic.....according to your logic, you should have been shot when you tried to enter Texas. There are plenty of conservative Patriots here in Ca that didn’t choose to be from here, I would think any red state would be happy to have the extra votes.

I can put this guy in touch with some transplants. He would be in for a very big surprise.

Words from someone who either has never been out of big cities in California, or is blind.

My observations has been every big city, regardless of what state it is in, has an older, run down section with low income folks that turn their own areas into a shi%hole.

If one were to remove Sacramento, SF and much of the bay area, so-cal's big population areas, etc one may be enlightened to the facts.

It seems some folks have a deep hatred for certain areas they don't know a lick about, and have big chests to thump showing how important their opinions are to others.

Back to the black-outs, today is the last of the heat wave above 100, and north- central California seems to be free of any blackouts, but I adjusted watering the vineyard around the 3pm to 6pm announced possible shut down power times. Vines got harvested last night and need a good drink to recover from the BEATING they and us Californians get, lol Just saw a neighbor drive by after sunset last night with a huge trump 2020 flag flying from the bed of his truck. Dang, not sure how he'll survive that stunt if he keeps that up in my supposedly democrat part of California.

BTW we had 3 BLM poster waving folks protesting in town last saturday, one was knocked to the ground by a motorist, lol. Stupid out of towners! Go back to Texas...... I mean Colorado....

Another brave keyboard clown...Fuqk you mac

California runs on love, sunshine and butterfly fart fuel.

No way they're having any kind of problems.

You are quoting the city moniker of Berkeley, actually most of the area from Berkeley west to the ocean.

Hey Mac, just thinking out loud here but..
Don’t you think it would be better to build a wall around Texas instead of California that way you could shoot Californians from The comfort of your own couch?

Also we are broke and can’t afford to build a wall so it’s kind of a win/win

Cash Queen and mac. You two fuqing morons are participating with a page right out of the liberal play book divide and conquer. You two dumb fuqks are so stupid your willing to marginalize tens of thousands of people who share your exact alleged conservative values and core beliefs based on where they live. Outstanding! Are you really that stupid? You two bitches best exit your double wide get some air and rethink your positions. Fuqk you both...

Sow grizz needs a couple of Midol and a glass of wine...

My my...

LOL

I hate to ever agree with anything steelhead says... and I mean no personal offense to you Hemi...

But if Quentin Tarantino can write off 100 million dollars in taxes when he makes a movie about Hemi muscle cars and Hollywood do you guys think you might be able to get more creative on tax deductions and starve the bastards that are crushing you so much?

I think you're on to something.

No problem Cash, just tired of the BS misinformed folks who think California is a communist shi$hole not worth a lick, along with the folks that live here. The more they repead the lies, the more folks decide their views are correct.

And yes, I am stuck here as a 4th generation farmer, all my family is close by, watched the grandson drive a harvester last night feeding the Chardonnay tanker headed to Gallo's fermentation facility, and enjoying life. I would have to be surrounded by communists before I'd move of my own accord, and even then I'd have to think long and hard before moving. Some folks know how to adapt, others just fold. Like Aaron Lewis says, "That ain't me"

Politics, politicians and taxes/ laws EVERYWHERE is a shi$show we no longer have any say in, I am not tossing in the towel, but anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

Look what happened to the police chief in Wa, an example of BLM eating their own.They, like most demonrats, are self imploding idiots. Interviews with white folks in the BLM protests shows me they are the me-too idiots who follow a narrative spread about by the communist think tank. If this ends with a country-wide civil unrest, yall might be embarrased to be fighting along with ANY conservative who stands with you, regardless of where they live.

The heat and situation of a first harvest allowed my fingers to think some here might accept California isn't a total loss, but the results were as usual- a waste of energy. ( LOL)

The 62% of CA needs to be educated about how things really work. Maybe they will vote differently if they are shown the truth. Surely voting for Democrats isn't an incurable condition.

One thing Cash Queen, mac and the rest of the California bashing retards have in common with liberals is they are not capable of critical thinking.

Actually if you read some of the stuff that I wrote with more balanced estrogen... you might actually find out that I'm not totally bashing you.

Either way, I don't really care. You are playing poker with a dealer that has pockets filled with aces... and you have no chance of winning because he is cheating your azz to death.

If you can't see that I really have nothing else to say.

My ex-sister-in-law was a wedding photographer in some place called Semi Valley. They had a fairly modest home but she spent over $600k on Landscaping... as a business expense to take pictures. They paid virtually no taxes for five years... and sold the house for a fortune when they moved.

Like I said you are playing poker against a crooked dealer.

As for the sister-in-law story... I think I'm accurate in the numbers I presented, but it was 10 years ago so I really can't speak with any more accuracy.

Hey Queeny like analogy's do ya the one you used above just illustrate's the mental midget you truly are and no one gives a rip about your sister. Again go fuqk yourself. Stick that in your pocket prick...

What do the Californians have to complain about........
Valsdad can see the mountains from his front porch.

Let them self-destruct........no Federal monies.

You are truly an Einstein. Don't let the thinking intellectuals tell you any different.

So you left Colorado Because it was “screwed up” and went to Texas and are more conservative than most native born Texans...

Yet a Californian who is more conservative than a “native born Texan” trying to leave a screwed up state deserves to be shot...

HoLeeSchit you can’t make this up...
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I've never seen a CA that was more conservative than a native born Texan. like unicorns, they do not exist.

Mike! Buddy your alive. I knew this thread would extract you out of your trailer...

When I entered TX the firs time I was active duty on orders. Unlike you CA morons that move to screw up an area. look what you idiots did to CO, OR, WA, AZ, NM etc... You're worse than locusts.

Wow, I'm scared.

So you left Colorado Because it was “screwed up” and went to Texas and are more conservative than most native born Texans...

Yet a Californian who is more conservative than a “native born Texan” trying to leave a screwed up state deserves to be shot...

HoLeeSchit you can’t make this up...
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I've never seen a CA that was more conservative than a native born Texan. like unicorns, they do not exist.
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Because you’ve never seen one means they don’t exist...

Don’t let the truth get in the way of your story

That means I would have to be willing to let you destroy AZ and NM before Y'all got here. Rats are easier to control if you don't let them spread. And your money woes are your own fault.

GRIZZ........can take your name calling all day long......just not your moronic 'facts'.

I'd get involved with this fight but I gotta get back to packing for our move to Texas.

Are there any Antifa meet and greets around the Austin area this time of year?

Old Kook sock puppet... ?

We shall see...

Do you have any room in your Prius for a few hitchhikers?

Like Stockton......all of California will eventually go down......just hope no bail-out follows.

But, if we all pitched in, we could save California.
Send them a match and a candle.

Thanks 100% & solely to the idiots who have been running CA for the last 25 years or so who think they can defy science & physics, including Ka'-mal-a Harris & current guv'ner Newsome, both of whom want to run the entire country.

I can only thank God that so far, they are not running it...................yet.

MM

Let the conservative Californians pay for keeping their political pennies..........

I sure miss living in Monterey in the 80's

I'm beginning to believe MAC is a BLM troll. Freak wants to shoot someone just because they want to move.
What an a- hole.

You must be a Californian.....

You kept your political dollars......please do not move.......stay put.

There are many awesome farmers in CA who work hard, trying and doing their very best. I congratulate them and hope for their continued success.

I'll work the pedals and you can steer Cowboy.

There should be a whole lot of broke conservatives in California........playing the political game.

If they kept their money...........Screw 'em.

Farmers......or not.

Lots of fine people there, no doubt you are one of them.

But unless all the fine good people can somehow prevail on enough of the others to get rid of ALL, as in ALL the idiots that are, & have been running the place, CA is going to die, & unfortunately, cause a schittload of problems for people like you and even all the rest of the country.

The current direction & fiscal path is simply not sustainable.

End of story...................fix it or you'd better be prepared to get out at some point.

MM

High taxes, high regulations, NO POWER


Wow

Ahh...no.

Where is GRIZZ?

I am from Ca. Thank you for your patriotic support MEATWARMER! Or whatever your name is. Another above all a- hole.

I'd consider Texas but holy Schit, that humidity...

Would totally screw up my poodles hair do.

I'm right here Mr Wiener. Thought there were no Conservatives in California? The country is about to turn complete power over to the far left and all you chit shoe scraping hay seed hicks can think of is bashing fellow Conservatives. Let me know how that worked out for ya on November 4th

Wrong, they don't have the intelligence to be hay seed hicks.

I'd think about moving to Iowa, but have you seen the women?

As the Trumpeter would say.... YUUUGE

Wow! You forgot to mention.......because it's happening to you......it going to happen to everyone else.

That's a great stand-by.

Last time I checked.......IQ of the average Californian wasn't too high.

But by all means.......enjoy your current circumstance.

And, please stay put.

Please.......stay where you are......beautiful women and all.....

Like you have a choice.

Nahh...not even.

Just think of all of those cars not getting charged.

All of that money they are saving.

That is exactly what is happening. The gov. said they were 4 gigawatts short . Rush said today that cal. turned off 9 gigawatts of natural gas . They were getting it from somewhere and Arizona being so hot can hardly keep up for their own people. California comes up short on power. Fire up the nat. gas plants, problem solved, if they are not torn down.

Must be a heavy flow day for the likes of Mike Wiener and Cash Queeny. The weeny and the queeny... Hey that rhymes! They get off on this chit. They live for this board to try and convince themselves and everyone on here that their opinions matter. Typical of a couple of sniveling bitches... Still waiting for them Ace's.

Great intellectual argument, defending your State.

Best of luck, please keep your vast knowledge out there.

Is that what you are Mr Wiener a "Great intellectual" Keep pounding away on your keyboard your doing an outstanding job smartest guy to ever occupy a trailer. You need to start paying attention to whats happening in your own back yard, hay field, whatever.
From the Politco

Everytown for Gun Safety, the group co-founded by former New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg, is launching a $5 million TV ad buy in Iowa and North Carolina this week, marking the first major round of spending from the organization in Senate races this year.

So we agree? Iowa is full of fat gals putting on their winter coat.
It's always good to find some common ground. 😁
I guess we all have our problems and nothing's ever perfect.

Couldn't have been too bad. The usual dickheads are still arguing.

A little bit of info to look at and draw your own conclusions. Take a look at the prices some of those folks are paying. I don't think there are very many coal plants in CA, if any, so with a system demand of 42,000 MWs but only 13,000 MWs of renewables, how is the sun and wind doing. I am in favor of clean air, i think we all are, but the foundation to build a massive electrical grid powered by nothing but renewables is not anywhere close to being ready. How many millions (billions) have they spent on renewables and what percentage of load is it providing? How much more will it take to power the grid all 24 hours in a day, it can not power the grid during daylight hours, what are you going to do at night?


http://www.caiso.com/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.ercot.com/


For those that say we have plenty of coal plants, when i look out my window i see two trains a day pass by...…


https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ith-13-plant-closures-announced-in-2020/

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-coal-power-trump.html

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2020-02-04/coal-power-plants-western-us

Now why would I say a thing like that? You already did.

https://www.latimes.com/environment...ission-to-blame-for-blackouts-caiso-says

Don't be so hard on Californians.

calikook.....forgive them........for they do not know of their own indoctrination.

Less than half of the population in CA was born here. From the linked article, over 25% were born overseas. It's not CA's job to keep that 25% out, and it sure seems like one hell of a lot of people from the other 49 states like CA enough to move here. Like about 10 million of them.

But yeah, a wall would be good. Only it's 30 years too late. And it would have been to keep all those blue-voting [bleep] from moving here, making their fortune, then moving somewhere else and calling themselves "Californian".

S--t, Nancy f---ing Pelosi is from Baltimore. But none of you anti-Californicators are blaming Maryland for her. Why's that?

As for TX - stick a fork in you, you're done and just don't know it.

It took CA 28 years to from going for Reagan, to going for Obama. I figure TX has about another 8 before it goes back to voting blue. You do remember that TX was a Democrat stronghold once upon a time, right? Or have you forgotten LBJ and Hubert Humphrey?

What a fun thread..... listening to Californians defend California..... wow... hahahahahah

LBJ said it best: "I'll have those n i g g e r s voting Democratic for the next 200 years!"

Texas has ample reserve power to put out on the grid. The power company I have worked for for 42 years has done business with CA numerous times. If CA is claiming power shortages, it’s intentional.

Such a virtuous Montanan from California....

Front line of the 2A fight here bruh and nothing but infighting amongst our ranks makes this snowflake sad. ;(

Now, I know for a fact you would show up to sling some led if a fight broke out, but it really is sad that the mantra that is perpetuated around here remains to be "you dumb MF'ers should retreat!!!!!".

Retreat.

My ass.

As far as Mac goes...

If I owned hell and Texas, I'd live in hell and rent out Texas.

Brother Hig,

Calif. decline is about much more than just the 2nd amendment. When I left in 1980 the decline in freedom was picking up steam, I remember writing letters to the politicians fighting to keep the high lakes open for jeep travel, the backpackers were trying to shut everything down.

This was before prices and tax's shot through the roof.
All my Calf. friends and family have left except two old buds from high school, they are so stoned they wouldn't know Gavin Newsome from Abe Lincoln, and even they are starting to complain.
I am all in on fighting for the 2nd, but quality of life and freedom dictated me leaving at the age of 19. I could see the writing on the wall even then.
You guys have become the frog in the pot, the slow boil prevents you from seeing what has happened.

Hey last year you mentioned relocating and mentioned Montana?

And thank you for recognizing my virtue....

Brian, You're back!

Kinda Kingster..... I just got back from an extended hi country trip... stay tuned for pic's when I get time...

A lot of those big petro-chemical companies all around the bay produce their own co-generated power, and the excess goes into the grid.

Most here are rather aware of what's been going on same as Montanans are aware of the Lib encroachment in Boze Angeles or Missoula or Helena.

Love MT myself and spent most of the last two summers there as my busy season ends in May and the busy season for business there is June-Aug.

I'd have loved to have bought a place there and split time between the two, but honestly, I have more fun here year round than splitting between the two.

Dad's 75 and works 48-60 hrs a week. Have lunch with him and the crew every Friday. Mom's 72 (just kicked Covid). Girls are 13, 18 and 23 and the two oldest are blossoming into young, somewhat conservative adults while the 13 yo is still moldable, but just like me. (Which, we're working on.)

Business is booming and summers suck royally (100+ last week and a half with smoke last couple days), but I've met more libs in the 406 than I know in the 530. (I get it that it's SW MT in the Summer, but don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.)

Sure is a nice jacket...

http://governor.mt.gov

Benicia and Martinez are closing in October. One will be converted to storage only.

My first stomping grounds...

On top of the power outages the state is on fire again.

Gullible warming!!!!

The governor spent millions of dollars in state savings when elected and now wants help? Those savings he wasted wouldve helped now....

Much of West Virginia is without cell phone coverage or high speed internet. The same with Virginia. I suspect Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Maryland ,Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine as well.

When I lived in Southwest Georgia about half of the roads were still dirt.

Some states keep their taxes low and the subsequent low infrastructure is acceptable.

I assume the taxes in California are not actually very low so it is a little surprising that y'all have poor infrastructure.

I could be mistaken but it seems as though your state is poorly managed, at least decision making wise. It might be advisable to vote for different people?

I have read that California is proposing another income tax hike this year.

The best part, is that since their legislators take most of the year off, it will be RETROACTIVE to January 1st.

LMAO

So your taxes may already be higher, and you don't know it until you do. LOL

I think it's time for a lot of Californian's to admit that the only reason they still live there is due to the decisions their wives and daughters have made.

The state is totally fugked and there's really no defending it.

Can't work up much concern. California kept voting ding a lings in to office and the citizens are getting exactly wanted.