Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
I have no idea of the medical explanation for masks (pro or con), but have been traveling a lot since the virus hit and have a few observations. First, a lot of people aren't wearing masks in a way that will stop the aerosol effect of sneezing, etc. Whether it's a guy (or chick, in CA) with a beard or the mask not fitting right or even just the little gaps around the nose and mouth when you wear one, things are going to sneak out. Second, things like having to wear a mask when you walk into a restaurant but not when you're eating pretty much obviates any benefit masks may have. Third, just as a matter of common sense, viruses are very small and the weave of a typical mask people wear just can't really stop the viruses from getting through.
I wear a mask when I have to, particularly when I fly, and I've seen people do all of the above in one of the worst environments possible for a virus spread (an aircraft). If I've had the virus, it wasn't a big deal. I've had a few colds since about January 2020 and for all I know, it was the virus. There are things I'm much more concerned about, like BLM riots.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
If you’re not sick/tested positive how are you effecting someone else’s health? Where do you draw the line? Is BLM/Antifa rioters burning and destroying folks private property and endangering people’s lives a concern to you? Do you advocate violence as we’re seeing in major cities around the us?
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
So put a mask on protect yourself or stay home, don't force it upon others
Prove that most masks and the manner they’re worn do absolutely anything to stop the spread. Masks are a symbol of leftist compliance and their never ending desire to be part of a “community”. Liberals are sheep that demand they be cared for. Culls that should be allowed to die off. The weak, sick.... the beta’s.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
If you’re not sick/tested positive how are you effecting someone else’s health? Where do you draw the line? Is BLM/Antifa rioters burning and destroying folks private property and endangering people’s lives a concern to you? Do you advocate violence as we’re seeing in major cities around the us?
Are you familiar with the term asymptomatic? CDC estimates 45% of all virus carriers have no symptoms, think about that for a minute. You could be one of those people yourself, why would you want to unknowingly infect someone else?
Seems like the descent thing to do to protect others, kind of simple if you ask me.
What is the correlation between protecting someone else's health with some mask wearing/social distancing and the rioting for you, as I have a hard time following that connection?
Prove that most masks and the manner they’re worn do absolutely anything to stop the spread. Masks are a symbol of leftist compliance and their never ending desire to be part of a “community”. Liberals are sheep that demand they be cared for. Culls that should be allowed to die off. The weak, sick.... the beta’s.
So your suggesting that having a cloth mask does nothing to limit the distance a viral load could be discharged from your face?
Like a handkerchief does nothing as well when you blow your nose, it catches nothing or does not limit the distance the crud can travel, it all completely escapes the handkerchief?
Have the laws of physics ceased to exist in your world?
It's funny how the "authority figures" say masks don't work... until it becomes politically expedient for them to change their minds..... "masks work! and they should be mandatory!"
Of course, you may choose to believe or disbelieve any of the information provided in the above links.
The level of filtration required to filter out something as small as a virus particle is not going to be achieved with masks not intended or appropriate for that purpose. Combine that with the fact that even if the masks do have some benefit, a strict protocol combined with other protective equipment measures would have to be followed in hope of getting any benefit. It's an all or nothing scenario ........... either you always follow a very strict protocol without deviation or it essentially becomes useless. So you combine these cloth or procedure masks with non-medically trained people and there is nothing there other than a ridiculous mandate. The vast majority of people cannot comprehend the micron particle sized, airborne transmission, and how highly contagious these respiratory viruses are. Even medically trained professionals that are caring for COVID patients and use multiple levels of PPE (N95 masks, gowns, gloves, hand hygiene, contact precations, etc) are contracting the virus. Both them and the patients are wearing masks, how did they get it if masks prevent the spread??
It's a real disservice to the public that some medical "experts" are leading people to believe that if you follow their recommendations you can prevent the spread of this virus. Not all medical experts feel that way. There are plenty of highly trained people that do not agree with these unjustified mandates. About the only thing being filtered out these days is the various media sources filtering out opinion of these experts.
It's funny how the "authority figures" say masks don't work... until it becomes politically expedient for them to change their minds..... "masks work! and they should be mandatory!"
Of course, you may choose to believe or disbelieve any of the information provided in the above links.
Did you actually read those links?
Read them and get back to me.
One was talking about stopping the virus itself and we all know that is not possible but the distance those water droplets which are infected can be spread can surely be limited by something blocking your cough or sneeze, there by limiting the distance it can be directed.
I wear them only when and where I am required to. As soon as I can it comes off. I hate the damn things and I don't believe a simple piece of cloth tied around you face does a damn thing.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
If you’re not sick/tested positive how are you effecting someone else’s health? Where do you draw the line? Is BLM/Antifa rioters burning and destroying folks private property and endangering people’s lives a concern to you? Do you advocate violence as we’re seeing in major cities around the us?
Are you familiar with the term asymptomatic? CDC estimates 45% of all virus carriers have no symptoms, think about that for a minute. You could be one of those people yourself, why would you want to unknowingly infect someone else?
Seems like the descent thing to do to protect others, kind of simple if you ask me.
What is the correlation between protecting someone else's health with some mask wearing/social distancing and the rioting for you, as I have a hard time following that connection?
The correlation is simple. Your friends are beating people up, burning, looting and destroying private property, shooting police officers. If you’re so concerned about how folks actions effect other folks health, you should be just as concerned about the blm/Antifa/terrorists actions as you are anti-mask/govt tyranny folks like me.
There's so many pseudo intellectual clowns on the forum lately.
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
We should outlaw vehicles because people may get in an accident and hurt or kill someone.
Do we not have laws governing their use to protect people?
Nice try!
You truly are an idiot. Traffic laws don't prevent accidents, just like wearing a mask doesn't prevent spreading microbes.
Really?
Speed limits don't save lives?
Driving while impaired doesn't save lives?
Texting while driving laws don't save lives?
Seat belt laws don't save lives?
Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
If you think that they protect you then wear one. You will be fine.
Viruses are extremely small, but they do not float by themselves, they need a water vapor molecule to attach to. (i.e. your breath) Since cotton will absorb up to 27 times it’s weight in water, a mask works just like your bath towel or undershirt for accumulating moisture. They shouldn’t be considered a political statement.
There's so many pseudo intellectual clowns on the forum lately.
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by JakeBlues
We should outlaw vehicles because people may get in an accident and hurt or kill someone.
Do we not have laws governing their use to protect people?
Nice try!
You truly are an idiot. Traffic laws don't prevent accidents, just like wearing a mask doesn't prevent spreading microbes.
Really?
Speed limits don't save lives?
Driving while impaired doesn't save lives?
Texting while driving laws don't save lives?
Seat belt laws don't save lives?
Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
Traffic laws only apply if you’re driving. Explain how that correlates to a person that’s not infected being forced to wear a mask. Explain why it’s my problem to protect you?
Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend! [/quote]
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk. [/quote]
Concrete proof?
So are you suggesting that a simple mask would not limit the distance a sneeze or cough could travel?
And good hand washing protocols to go along with this.
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Protecting your health is not my business. Don't try to make it so.
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Protecting your health is not my business. Don't try to make it so.
Do you not want to protect the health of your fellow Americans, if doing so was possible?
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Are you in favor of speeding up the spread?
Are you in favor of govt mandated hand washing protocols? Why masks and not legislation to force hand washing?
What about an outright ban on unprotected homosexual sex since it’s proven to cause the AIDS virus?
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Are you in favor of speeding up the spread?
Are you in favor of govt mandated hand washing protocols? Why masks and not legislation to force hand washing?
What about an outright ban on unprotected homosexual sex since it’s proven to cause the AIDS virus?
Do you have an issue with other people touching you on a regular basis at the store, gas station, car dealership, clinic etc.........
I didn't think so, so that argument is flat.
I didn't think one would have to explain the difference between the limiting sneezes/coughs and touching someone randomly which I do believe is covered by law.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Protecting your health is not my business. Don't try to make it so.
Do you not want to protect the health of your fellow Americans, if doing so was possible?
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by bruinruin
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by Stophel
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Protecting your health is not my business. Don't try to make it so.
Do you not want to protect the health of your fellow Americans, if doing so was possible?
Honestly, if “protecting” someone, (meaning “keeping them from experiencing mild flu symptoms” which is the extent for the vast majority of folks that contract the virus) means my business goes bankrupt, the nations economy contracts to dangerous levels, schools are shut down causing our children to not only lose invaluable education opportunities but also the risk of psychological damage and my liberty is once again under attack by the government.... Then no. No I do not want to protect someone else’s health.
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Protecting your health is not my business. Don't try to make it so.
Do you not want to protect the health of your fellow Americans, if doing so was possible?
Read between the lines. YOUR HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY! I sure as hell am not going to give up freedoms to "protect" the likes of someone you.
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Are you in favor of speeding up the spread?
Are you in favor of govt mandated hand washing protocols? Why masks and not legislation to force hand washing?
What about an outright ban on unprotected homosexual sex since it’s proven to cause the AIDS virus?
Do you have an issue with other people touching you on a regular basis at the store, gas station, car dealership, clinic etc.........
I didn't think so, so that argument is flat.
I didn't think one would have to explain the difference between the limiting sneezes/coughs and touching someone randomly which I do believe is covered by law.
Do you not touch things touched by hundreds/thousands of other folks? You don’t touch the handle of the pump at the gas station, the keypad on the credit card machine, handle products in the grocery store that someone else handled, doorknobs, shopping carts?
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
What if the asymptomatic carrier spreads it to someone with an underlying condition by opening a door, seconds before the other person? Especially since this form of transmission is MUCH more likely than by airborne transmission.
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
You can't effectively argue that masks do not limit droplet travel, and your door knob explanation can be mitigated by hand cleaning frequently!
Have we ever had this level of deaths in the last say 50 plus years?
What would the benefit be to not trying to do what we each could?
Shouldn’t the govt also mandate proper wearing of the mask? Does wearing a mask incorrectly/ineffectively warrant arrest or just not wearing a mask at all?
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
You can't effectively argue that masks do not limit droplet travel, and your door knob explanation can be mitigated by hand cleaning frequently!
Have we ever had this level of deaths in the last say 50 plus years?
What would the benefit be to not trying to do what we each could?
1) We don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to Covid because they’ve been lying to us from day 1.
2) you’re fears of getting sick aren’t my problem. If you’re scared to get sick....stay home retard
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
What if the asymptomatic carrier spreads it to someone with an underlying condition by opening a door, seconds before the other person? Especially since this form of transmission is MUCH more likely than by airborne transmission.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
^^^
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
What if the asymptomatic carrier spreads it to someone with an underlying condition by opening a door, seconds before the other person? Especially since this form of transmission is MUCH more likely than by airborne transmission.
I am sorry to tell you but according to the CDC, covid is transmitted more frequently via respiratory system.
The door knob is a great example of frequent hand washing mitigation practices
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
You can't effectively argue that masks do not limit droplet travel, and your door knob explanation can be mitigated by hand cleaning frequently!
Have we ever had this level of deaths in the last say 50 plus years?
What would the benefit be to not trying to do what we each could?
1) We don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to Covid because they’ve been lying to us from day 1.
2) you’re fears of getting sick aren’t my problem. If you’re scared to get sick....stay home retard
You have no logical/rationale argument for your actions? Thinking outside of your limited view is scary sometimes.
Is that the same CDC that sent out bad test kits in the beginning? The same CDC that said it only spread thru droplets and non porous surfaces were safe? The same CDC that first said masks weren’t needed and then reversed it? The same CDC that screwed up all of the modeling? Remember it was exponential The same CDC that has been wrong more times than it’s been right
Let’s not hold them up as the end all, be all experts with this. They still don’t know all of the facts. At best, they’re guessing half the time.
People washing their hands is probably causing less outbreaks of all kinds of stuff. People are nasty in general. Touching their balls, asses, armpits, picking their noses and everything else before they fondle the peppers at the supermarket. COVID isn’t special. It’s just a useful tool for the control freaks to brainwash the retards. It did a hell of a job on you ISRO
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
What if the asymptomatic carrier spreads it to someone with an underlying condition by opening a door, seconds before the other person? Especially since this form of transmission is MUCH more likely than by airborne transmission.
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
^^^
That is a cute meme in theory, but what happens when you become asymptomatic and infect a person who is trying to take precautions as they may have a underlying health condition?
What if the asymptomatic carrier spreads it to someone with an underlying condition by opening a door, seconds before the other person? Especially since this form of transmission is MUCH more likely than by airborne transmission.
I am sorry to tell you but according to the CDC, covid is transmitted more frequently via respiratory system.
The door knob is a great example of frequent hand washing mitigation practices
WHO says wearing a mask when you can’t stay one meter away from someone is important but frequent hand washing is critical. If you are compromised, it seems fairly simple for you to social distance from other folks choosing to not wear a mask.
Should hand washing protocols be give mandated? Seems less invasive than mandating wearing a mask actually? You seem personally/politically invested in forcing folks to wear a mask against their will....
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
You can't effectively argue that masks do not limit droplet travel, and your door knob explanation can be mitigated by hand cleaning frequently!
Have we ever had this level of deaths in the last say 50 plus years?
What would the benefit be to not trying to do what we each could?
1) We don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to Covid because they’ve been lying to us from day 1.
2) you’re fears of getting sick aren’t my problem. If you’re scared to get sick....stay home retard
You have no logical/rationale argument for your actions? Thinking outside of your limited view is scary sometimes.
Growth is good, challenge causes growth.
The rationale is simple. A well founded concern for freedom from a govt that continues to legislate away our freedom to choose. If liberty is lost, it should be based on facts, not scientific results predetermined to fit a political viewpoint. When science is manipulated and the results are proven to be mistaken, it delegitimizes your argument. The truth still matters.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
He can’t give you a logic based reason. Hes basing his argument on feelings. He’s a liberal aka retard
This whole mask mandate is nothing but political BS.
Had Obama or some other liberal vermin beloved of the press been president COVID would just be another strain of the flu with no further interruptions to daily life.
He can’t give you a logic based reason. Hes basing his argument on feelings. He’s a liberal aka retard
Naw, he's not here to debate, he's here to play word games and try to make people doubt their stance or frustrate them by trying to turn their words and logic back on them. Doesn't work here.
It’s nothing but a power Grab. The left facing someone to do something they don’t want to do. Whether it be taxes, welfare, regulation of industry etc... the left seeks power and they will never have enough until we are enslaved.
I think everyone is responsible for their own health. Masks don’t do anything but give a false sense of well being to the gullible. Putting a mask on doesn’t do anything if I’m coughing and sneezing into my hands and touching doors, etc in the store. This is the first time I history we’ve quarantined healthy people. It’s simply government overreach. If you’re scared of catching a bug, stay home. Order your groceries and have them delivered. Let those of us that aren’t scared, go live life. Stay in your bubble and disinfect as you please. The people that feel they’re at risk can do as they please within the confines of their home. All the government is doing, is putting things in place that will ultimately Cause the weakening of our immune systems. I haven’t heard one person in government make any recommendations to help people improve their immune systems. Simple things like taking vitamins, exercising, eating properly and going outside to get some fresh air and sunlight. If you’re a big enough sucker to believe that Wearing masks and limiting freedoms will make this go away....well there’s no sense in having a discussion because you’re a retard.
You can't effectively argue that masks do not limit droplet travel, and your door knob explanation can be mitigated by hand cleaning frequently!
Have we ever had this level of deaths in the last say 50 plus years?
What would the benefit be to not trying to do what we each could?
1) We don’t know how many deaths can be directly attributed to Covid because they’ve been lying to us from day 1.
2) you’re fears of getting sick aren’t my problem. If you’re scared to get sick....stay home retard
You have no logical/rationale argument for your actions? Thinking outside of your limited view is scary sometimes.
Growth is good, challenge causes growth.
If you're askeered, just stay home.
President Trump has been Fearless going to every single rally that he can stuff into his days.
Trolls like you hang out in mommy's basement and eat Play-Doh. No reason to play brain games with little f*cktards like you.
He can’t give you a logic based reason. Hes basing his argument on feelings. He’s a liberal aka retard
Naw, he's not here to debate, he's here to play word games and try to make people doubt their stance or frustrate them by trying to turn their words and logic back on them. Doesn't work here.
He’s just another troll with a different schtik. Trying the word games but not getting that no one here is buying his brand of BS...
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
I am not sick. My wearing a mask does you, me, nor anyone else any good. It is only a symbolic thing. Wearing a mask is not unlike putting a Biden/Harris sticker on one's car.
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
I am not sick. My wearing a mask does you, me, nor anyone else any good. It is only a symbolic thing. Wearing a mask is not unlike putting a Biden/Harris sticker on one's car.
Explain the physics why they do not slow the spread.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Remember you're only spreading it out longer!
Did dentists where masks before Covid the answer is yes so your argument is baseless. It’s idiots like you who believe the BS and that’s why it’s going on as long as it has. You’re just another dumbass troll and no one and I mean no one here gives a 💩 what you post here.
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
I am not sick. My wearing a mask does you, me, nor anyone else any good. It is only a symbolic thing. Wearing a mask is not unlike putting a Biden/Harris sticker on one's car.
Is Hope Hicks or Trump the Super Spreader ?? So we now know that Trump most likely picked it up last Saturday, Yeah 6 days ago....
Now if everyone there had been wearing masks then it clearly wouldnt have spread and Trump would be geraing up for the next debate and holding massive rallies.......
This aint rocket science is just basic stuff bout aerosol containment.
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
If a mask worked so well those that wear one would have nothing to fear from those who don't wear a mask. I'm not worrying about someone not wearing a mask getting me sick
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Remember you're only spreading it out longer!
Did dentists where masks before Covid the answer is yes so your argument is baseless. It’s idiots like you who believe the BS and that’s why it’s going on as long as it has. You’re just another dumbass troll and no one and I mean no one here gives a 💩 what you post here.
Why are dentists wearing masks at all before or during covid?
Remember they do not protect anyone right?
Why is our resident dentist wearing one at work? I mean really, he should stand for his freedom and refuse to wear it.
Why are people in his office wearing one now? Why are the patients wearing them in the waiting area?
They do not work according to Hatari, so why wear them?
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
I am not sick. My wearing a mask does you, me, nor anyone else any good. It is only a symbolic thing. Wearing a mask is not unlike putting a Biden/Harris sticker on one's car.
Explain the physics why they do not slow the spread.
Because you have to put your hands to your face to put the mask on or to take it off. That's how germs - virus spreads. Keep your hands away from your face and you won't get sick.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
Do you feel it is tyranny that you cannot drive 120 mph on the interstate? Does not bother me in the slightest if you wreck and kill yourself nor do I care that you don't care if you live or die. What's the difference? I think speed limits are tyranny
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
Do you feel it is tyranny that you cannot drive 120 mph on the interstate? Does not bother me in the slightest if you wreck and kill yourself nor do I care that you don't care if you live or die. What's the difference? I think speed limits are tyranny
Your statement would only be logical if all accidents were single vehicle accidents, and it did not harm other drivers or others.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
Do you feel it is tyranny that you cannot drive 120 mph on the interstate? Does not bother me in the slightest if you wreck and kill yourself nor do I care that you don't care if you live or die. What's the difference? I think speed limits are tyranny
From what I've read even a n95 mask doesnt really stop particles below .3 microns and the virus is about .12 microns. So the mask mandate is a little like when the teacher would have us duck under our desk during nuclear drills. It may be reassuring but it isnt going to accomplish much if it's your time to go
From what I've read even a n95 mask doesnt really stop particles below .3 microns and the virus is about .12 microns. So the mask mandate is a little like when the teacher would have us duck under our desk during nuclear drills. It may be reassuring but it isnt going to accomplish much if it's your time to go
The topic is if masks help preventing the water droplets carrying the .3 micron virus from traveling any farther than necessary by using some sort of mask to create a barrier, similar to sneezing into a hanky.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
Do you feel it is tyranny that you cannot drive 120 mph on the interstate? Does not bother me in the slightest if you wreck and kill yourself nor do I care that you don't care if you live or die. What's the difference? I think speed limits are tyranny
Your statement would only be logical if all accidents were single vehicle accidents, and it did not harm other drivers or others.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
Do you feel it is tyranny that you cannot drive 120 mph on the interstate? Does not bother me in the slightest if you wreck and kill yourself nor do I care that you don't care if you live or die. What's the difference? I think speed limits are tyranny
If you don't care, why did you ask?
:P
This is really over your head. I figured as much but thanks for confirming it.
[quote=TimberRunner]Thank God for herd immunity. We are about to beat this thing like a rented mule. [/quote
7.4 million cases out of about 328 million people and your talking about herd ammunity and "about" to beat this, you might want to run the math on that again.
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by Springcove
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
You haven’t answered, are you for govt mandated hand washing protocols since it’s (according to you) the second most common form of transmission? If we’re doing this, why stop at masks? Seems like if it’s worth doing it’s worth doing right.
If we’re taking these measures, why are we not opening our schools, restaurants etc? If masks and hand washing are effective let’s wear a mask and go back to normalcy.
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
Can you tell us how effective the type of masks required to be worn is in preventing the spread of this particular virus, based on scientific research that has been peer reviewed? Please note that most mask mandates don't require there to be any particular type of mask used, so basically hanging a t-shirt over your mouth and nose is what the research should focus on.
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
Can you tell us how effective the type of masks required to be worn is in preventing the spread of this particular virus, based on scientific research that has been peer reviewed?
Published within the last couple of months in PNAS (you know what that is, right?)
I would be more concerned from a health standpoint to see more people work on their personal health and hygiene. Only roughly 6% of the total deaths from C-19 are entirely related to C-19. The numbers are bogus , as usual, coming from liberally bent agencies and individuals. The Asian flu of '57,'58 was extremely deadly and those that survived that after falling ill acquired a tremendous resiliency to flu viruses , in general. I know there was no government overreach then and we did just fine. Viruses happen, blame it on Adam and Eve! Just let this thing take it's course, if you are worried about it and in a high risk category stay home and have your needs delivered! Get busy living or get busy dying! We have turned into a big bunch of whiney assed pussies!
! We have turned into a big bunch of whiney assed pussies!
Certainly true of Campfire regulars. The more regular, the more whiney-assed pussy they get.
You hear that withered up old chunt Ginsburg finally died? Sounds like the senate has the votes to confirm her replacement Amy Coney Barrett. Young, brilliant, conservative, pro 2nd amendment.... She’ll be sitting in Ruth’s seat grinning her ass off for a long......fuggin....time. If the dems ever get the senate back, Trumps legacy of three conservative justices are gonna break your hearts over and over and over for decades.
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Really jack? Just like speed limits I guess. What's the difference?
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
Everyone should wear a mask because some idiots were never taught to cover their mouth and nose when they cough or sneeze??
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Really jack? Just like speed limits I guess. What's the difference?
COVID has a survival rate in the high 97% rate up to 65yo. 93% through 75 yo. Even then without preexisting conditions your chances are still really good. At what point is Govt intervention an over reach in your world?
Can someone explain to me how they are of no help at all!
I thought their purpose was to limit the distance a infected person could potentially cough or sneeze the viral load from their own person, thus thus slowing transmission by limiting exposure just as in social distancing?
I am not sick. My wearing a mask does you, me, nor anyone else any good. It is only a symbolic thing. Wearing a mask is not unlike putting a Biden/Harris sticker on one's car.
Explain the physics why they do not slow the spread.
Right after you explain how you can catch a disease from me I don’t have.
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Really jack? Just like speed limits I guess. What's the difference?
COVID has a survival rate in the high 97% rate up to 65yo. 93% through 75 yo. Even then without preexisting conditions your chances are still really good. At what point is Govt intervention an over reach in your world?
Speeding survival rates far, FAR exceed 97%. I did it today, I imagine you did too. Several times even.
In other words, speed limits are more Govt intervention and over reach. Eh? What do you suppose is greater? The number of deaths due to speeding today or the deaths due to Covid? Is it even close? No, it's not.
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by Springcove
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
You haven’t answered, are you for govt mandated hand washing protocols since it’s (according to you) the second most common form of transmission? If we’re doing this, why stop at masks? Seems like if it’s worth doing it’s worth doing right.
If we’re taking these measures, why are we not opening our schools, restaurants etc? If masks and hand washing are effective let’s wear a mask and go back to normalcy.
Are you touching other people mouths with your hands? Then yes.
If your only touching you mouth then you should still wash regularly.
Are restaurants not open with staff wearing masks? They sure are my friend.
Are there not schools open with kids in them wearing masks? Yes they are my friend.
It’s a virus that we once didn’t know how to treat but now do. We once weren’t sure who was at risk of serious health ramifications as a result of infection but now we are.
Therefore keep those at risk protected in ways that make sense for them (probably shouldn’t put infected patients into rest homes?) and let everyone else get back to normal.
It’s a virus doing what viruses do. Every case that doesn’t result in hospitalization is a success; framing it as anything else is pure unadulterated propaganda and shows this sham for what it is.
This is a test to see how many sheeple they can manipulate into saying “how high” when the media scares the daylights out of them and instruct “experts” to say “JUMP!”
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Really jack? Just like speed limits I guess. What's the difference?
COVID has a survival rate in the high 97% rate up to 65yo. 93% through 75 yo. Even then without preexisting conditions your chances are still really good. At what point is Govt intervention an over reach in your world?
Speeding survival rates far, FAR exceed 97%. I did it today, I imagine you did too. Several times even.
In other words, speed limits are more Govt intervention and over reach. Eh? What do you suppose is greater? The number of deaths due to speeding today or the deaths due to Covid? Is it even close? No, it's not.
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
Originally Posted by ISRO
Originally Posted by Springcove
So commercial painters, miners, fireman, etc wear full on respirator masks but some little face coving is supposed to save everyone from the deadliest virus ever??? You fugking mask idiots are dumber than dirt
Yes that means you Fartnbeans and IsanIdiot
So your suggesting that painters, miners, fireman.....etc are all dealing with something that is being carried in water droplets?
Is that correct?
Yet another illogical argument, regroup and try again my friend.
You haven’t answered, are you for govt mandated hand washing protocols since it’s (according to you) the second most common form of transmission? If we’re doing this, why stop at masks? Seems like if it’s worth doing it’s worth doing right.
If we’re taking these measures, why are we not opening our schools, restaurants etc? If masks and hand washing are effective let’s wear a mask and go back to normalcy.
Are you touching other people mouths with your hands? Then yes.
If your only touching you mouth then you should still wash regularly.
Are restaurants not open with staff wearing masks? They sure are my friend.
Are there not schools open with kids in them wearing masks? Yes they are my friend.
Your not well informed sir.
I thought it was about slowing/stopping the spread? Now it’s about not infecting others? If you touch your own mouth and contract it, hows that slowing the spread?
Tell us about how much time you spend "afield".....
If you think masks are helpful, then you are either retarded or you dont think Covid is a credible threat.
Your support for half measures is harmful.
They want to control the lives of every American. Simple as that. This isn’t about public safety, it’s a power grab. [bleep] every one of the little lefty turds that came out of the woodwork.
Really jack? Just like speed limits I guess. What's the difference?
COVID has a survival rate in the high 97% rate up to 65yo. 93% through 75 yo. Even then without preexisting conditions your chances are still really good. At what point is Govt intervention an over reach in your world?
Speeding survival rates far, FAR exceed 97%. I did it today, I imagine you did too. Several times even.
In other words, speed limits are more Govt intervention and over reach. Eh? What do you suppose is greater? The number of deaths due to speeding today or the deaths due to Covid? Is it even close? No, it's not.
Makes my point pretty easily. Speeding deaths less than 10k per year. Covid deaths will probalby exceed 500k in the first year. Already past 200k and dying faster every day. So, again, why are speed limits okay but not masks? I think the absolution of speed limits should be on the Trump agenda!!! MAGA! Death to Speed Limits...
DC-determined speed limits are indeed just as stupid (or more so) than these supposed anti-COVID measures, which have been at the state and local level. DC ought to have no more authority to tell me how fast I can drive than they would to determine on what morning my trash is to be picked up.
Governing such a huge country from the capital is a fool’s errand; that’s why our system was designed with governors and mayors and state legislatures and city councils.
Joe Biden has said he’d force nation-wide lockdowns and mask mandates and the D party has condemned Trump for not doing the same.
DC-determined speed limits are indeed just as stupid (or more so) than these supposed anti-COVID measures, which have been at the state and local level. DC ought to have no more authority to tell me how fast I can drive than they would to determine on what morning my trash is to be picked up.
Governing such a huge country from the capital is a fool’s errand; that’s why our system was designed with governors and mayors and state legislatures and city councils.
Joe Biden has said he’d force nation-wide lockdowns and mask mandates and the D party has condemned Trump for not doing the same.
Says it all.
So, STATE determined speed limits and STATE determined mask mandates are okay? Just give up, already.
DC-determined speed limits are indeed just as stupid (or more so) than these supposed anti-COVID measures, which have been at the state and local level. DC ought to have no more authority to tell me how fast I can drive than they would to determine on what morning my trash is to be picked up.
Governing such a huge country from the capital is a fool’s errand; that’s why our system was designed with governors and mayors and state legislatures and city councils.
Joe Biden has said he’d force nation-wide lockdowns and mask mandates and the D party has condemned Trump for not doing the same.
Says it all.
So, STATE determined speed limits and STATE determined mask mandates are okay? Just give up, already.
DC-determined speed limits are indeed just as stupid (or more so) than these supposed anti-COVID measures, which have been at the state and local level. DC ought to have no more authority to tell me how fast I can drive than they would to determine on what morning my trash is to be picked up.
Governing such a huge country from the capital is a fool’s errand; that’s why our system was designed with governors and mayors and state legislatures and city councils.
Joe Biden has said he’d force nation-wide lockdowns and mask mandates and the D party has condemned Trump for not doing the same.
Says it all.
So, STATE determined speed limits and STATE determined mask mandates are okay? Just give up, already.
They can be.
I’d suggest cities and local municipalities would be best equipped to make and explain such protocols since they’re closest to the people.
If you prefer being a subject vs the responsibility of citizenship there are many places where despots will do your thinking for you. Go there and be at peace; don’t ruin the last great experiment in freedom for the rest of us, please.
They’re also wearing gloves and face shields. So why do you only advocate “masks” without even specifying what type of masks or how they’re worn. Health care workers are in high risk situations, I’m not. You don’t see the difference?
A mask didn’t save Ruth.... And, Coney will be THE nail in Obamacare..... the trump legacy will live on in the judiciary for decades. The single most important thing he accomplished. The ONE thing Obama was remembered for, gone.
DC-determined speed limits are indeed just as stupid (or more so) than these supposed anti-COVID measures, which have been at the state and local level. DC ought to have no more authority to tell me how fast I can drive than they would to determine on what morning my trash is to be picked up.
Governing such a huge country from the capital is a fool’s errand; that’s why our system was designed with governors and mayors and state legislatures and city councils.
Joe Biden has said he’d force nation-wide lockdowns and mask mandates and the D party has condemned Trump for not doing the same.
Says it all.
So, STATE determined speed limits and STATE determined mask mandates are okay? Just give up, already.
They can be.
I’d suggest cities and local municipalities would be best equipped to make and explain such protocols since they’re closest to the people.
If you prefer being a subject vs the responsibility of citizenship there are many places where despots will do your thinking for you. Go there and be at peace; don’t ruin the last great experiment in freedom for the rest of us, please.
Sonny, you know your own state supremes just stripped your governor of her power to do exactly that. And all to the delight of the Right(eous). And the even more local mayor are being shelled by Triple R (Righteous Right Republicans), when they attempt even more local protocol mandates. So, you ain't cuttin' the mustard laddy.
Sonny, you know your own state supremes just stripped your governor of her power to do exactly that. And all to the delight of the Right(eous). And the even more local mayor are being shelled by Triple R (Righteous Right Republicans), when they attempt even more local protocol mandates. So, you ain't cuttin' the mustard laddy.
Like I said, if you prefer despotism please go someplace else; there are many places where individuals can Lord their power over the masses. But don’t bring that attitude here where we have rules and processes to stop such over reach.
They’re also wearing gloves and face shields. So why do you only advocate “masks” without even specifying what type of masks or how they’re worn. Health care workers are in high risk situations, I’m not. You don’t see the difference?
They are dealing with people who they may or may not know have Covid so they protect themselves in the event they are near someone who could be contagious or they do not want to transmit it accidentally themselves. Your the same way, you have no clue if your asymptomatic or not ,nor the people around you when your out and about, hence the universal protection. Not a hard concept to visualize.
Why do they need it JimConrad, as you say it does no good.
You might want to tell the health care industry your significant findings, potentially you could save them millions in ppe costs that are evidently not needed or warranted according to you.
I'm not so sure that requiring people to wear masks is not against the law. There's a lot of disabled Americans that read lips because they can't hear. My thinking believes there's definitely enough discrimination happening for a class action lawsuit.
The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) became law in 1990. The ADA is a civil rights law that prohibits discrimination against individuals with disabilities in all areas of public life, including jobs, schools, transportation, and all public and private places that are open to the general public.
Sonny, you know your own state supremes just stripped your governor of her power to do exactly that. And all to the delight of the Right(eous). And the even more local mayor are being shelled by Triple R (Righteous Right Republicans), when they attempt even more local protocol mandates. So, you ain't cuttin' the mustard laddy.
Like I said, if you prefer despotism please go someplace else; there are many places where individuals can Lord their power over the masses. But don’t bring that attitude here where we have rules and processes to stop such over reach.
I suggest Venezuela.
Bye!
Once again, you lost. You can't even avoid contradicting yourself.
Now once again, tell us how local, state, or federal mask mandates are worse than speed limits and yet Covid is killing at a rate that is about 10-100 times greater (really probably 10s of thousands of times greater) than speeding? Come on, tell us.
Then Jimmie is going to tell us how he knows that masks not only don't help but make things even worse.
Why do they need it JimConrad, as you say it does no good.
You might want to tell the health care industry your significant findings, potentially you could save them millions in ppe costs that are evidently not needed or warranted according to you.
Hehehe.....if you swallow your hemorrhoid suppoitory IRSO......have you used it properly?
If you are using something incorrectly or in an unsafe manner you are not helping anything.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Sonny, you know your own state supremes just stripped your governor of her power to do exactly that. And all to the delight of the Right(eous). And the even more local mayor are being shelled by Triple R (Righteous Right Republicans), when they attempt even more local protocol mandates. So, you ain't cuttin' the mustard laddy.
Like I said, if you prefer despotism please go someplace else; there are many places where individuals can Lord their power over the masses. But don’t bring that attitude here where we have rules and processes to stop such over reach.
I suggest Venezuela.
Bye!
Once again, you lost. You can't even avoid contradicting yourself.
Now once again, tell us how local, state, or federal mask mandates are worse than speed limits and yet Covid is killing at a rate that is about 10-100 times greater (really probably 10s of thousands of times greater) than speeding? Come on, tell us.
Then Jimmie is going to tell us how he knows that masks not only don't help but make things even worse.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Wash your hands Wear a mask Don’t touch your face.
90 percent of the people wearing a mask don’t wear it right and are constantly touching their face. Touching groceries, door knobs whatever and then their face again. [bleep] that mask.
If you want to test your mask, pull it tight across your azzhole and let a fart. wait five minutes and sniff . if you can smell your fart your mask is not working..
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Remember you're only spreading it out longer!
Did dentists where masks before Covid the answer is yes so your argument is baseless. It’s idiots like you who believe the BS and that’s why it’s going on as long as it has. You’re just another dumbass troll and no one and I mean no one here gives a 💩 what you post here.
Why are dentists wearing masks at all before or during covid?
Remember they do not protect anyone right?
Why is our resident dentist wearing one at work? I mean really, he should stand for his freedom and refuse to wear it.
Why are people in his office wearing one now? Why are the patients wearing them in the waiting area?
They do not work according to Hatari, so why wear them?
Hmmmmmmmmm!
Playing word games again?
My professional obligation is not part of the discussion. For that matter, I’ve worn PPE for 40 years.
What we are talking about is what is my personal (not professional obligation) to you or anyone else. Go back do I have an obligation to make you drive safely? Eat healthy? Exercise?
I call you on your Schlick and this is all you can do?
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Wash your hands Wear a mask Don’t touch your face.
90 percent of the people wearing a mask don’t wear it right and are constantly touching their face. Touching groceries, door knobs whatever and then their face again. [bleep] that mask.
Hahaha!
If it saves just one.....ooops might get someone killed.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
That's not a scientific study. That's guidance, much like the guidance earlier in the year saying masks shouldn't be worn.
Try again.
And the guidance is from? The guys on 24hour.................laughing
You can't cite a scientific study because there isn't one that supports your claim. Instead, the scientific study says this:
"The general public should be educated about mask use because cloth masks may give users a false sense of protection because of their limited protection against acquiring infection (16). Correctly putting on and taking off cloth masks improves protection (Table). Taking a mask off is a high-risk process (34) because pathogens may be present on the outer surface of the mask and may result in self-contamination during removal (31)."
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
That's not a scientific study. That's guidance, much like the guidance earlier in the year saying masks shouldn't be worn.
Try again.
And the guidance is from? The guys on 24hour.................laughing
You can't cite a scientific study because there isn't one that supports your claim. Instead, the scientific study says this:
"The general public should be educated about mask use because cloth masks may give users a false sense of protection because of their limited protection against acquiring infection (16). Correctly putting on and taking off cloth masks improves protection (Table). Taking a mask off is a high-risk process (34) because pathogens may be present on the outer surface of the mask and may result in self-contamination during removal (31)."
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
That's not a scientific study. That's guidance, much like the guidance earlier in the year saying masks shouldn't be worn.
Try again.
And the guidance is from? The guys on 24hour.................laughing
You can't cite a scientific study because there isn't one that supports your claim. Instead, the scientific study says this:
"The general public should be educated about mask use because cloth masks may give users a false sense of protection because of their limited protection against acquiring infection (16). Correctly putting on and taking off cloth masks improves protection (Table). Taking a mask off is a high-risk process (34) because pathogens may be present on the outer surface of the mask and may result in self-contamination during removal (31)."
Still no scientific studies, cause there are none. All you can find is informal guidance, the same type of guidance that recommended against mask use earlier this year.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
That's not a scientific study. That's guidance, much like the guidance earlier in the year saying masks shouldn't be worn.
Try again.
And the guidance is from? The guys on 24hour.................laughing
You can't cite a scientific study because there isn't one that supports your claim. Instead, the scientific study says this:
"The general public should be educated about mask use because cloth masks may give users a false sense of protection because of their limited protection against acquiring infection (16). Correctly putting on and taking off cloth masks improves protection (Table). Taking a mask off is a high-risk process (34) because pathogens may be present on the outer surface of the mask and may result in self-contamination during removal (31)."
Still no scientific studies, cause there are none. All you can find is informal guidance, the same type of guidance that recommended against mask use earlier this year.
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
Still no scientific studies, cause there are none. All you can find is informal guidance, the same type of guidance that recommended against mask use earlier this year.
Still waiting for the scientific study on the types of masks that are mandated for use here, as I asked in my original question to OP. The report you linked to says nothing about wrapping a t-shirt over your mouth and nose. It doesn't even state what kind of masks they are talking about. The scientific study on CLOTH masks that the CDC published clearly states that cloth masks are ineffective, especially when they are used in the manner most people use them.
You have said that you favor governors or mayors unilaterally instituting mandatory mask mandates. Our government doesn’t work that way.
I said they could be legitimate if passed according to the legal processes which we’ve observed since the founding of the Republic.
Are you saying that if that process, for whatever reason, doesn’t come to the conclusions you have that an executive should unilaterally act in contradiction to that conclusion?
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
You seem to have a problem with English. I asked for a peer reviewed scientific study on the type of masks that most people use when required to wear masks. All you can come up with are op-eds that have no scientific method employed.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Remember you're only spreading it out longer!
Did dentists where masks before Covid the answer is yes so your argument is baseless. It’s idiots like you who believe the BS and that’s why it’s going on as long as it has. You’re just another dumbass troll and no one and I mean no one here gives a 💩 what you post here.
Why are dentists wearing masks at all before or during covid?
Remember they do not protect anyone right?
Why is our resident dentist wearing one at work? I mean really, he should stand for his freedom and refuse to wear it.
Why are people in his office wearing one now? Why are the patients wearing them in the waiting area?
They do not work according to Hatari, so why wear them?
Hmmmmmmmmm!
Playing word games again?
My professional obligation is not part of the discussion. For that matter, I’ve worn PPE for 40 years.
What we are talking about is what is my personal (not professional obligation) to you or anyone else. Go back do I have an obligation to make you drive safely? Eat healthy? Exercise?
I call you on your Schlick and this is all you can do?
So you are wearing mask at work, your staff is as well, then why are your patients wearing them in your waiting area?
Using your logic they should not have to protect you correct?
You have an obligation to drive safely so you don't impact my well being as well as your own safety, just like your obligation to your patients. Or does that obligation end when the check is cashed? Is there a reason you wouldn't want to protect those same people when your around them outside of the dental office?
They are your customers you know and from a business stand point why potentially get them sick?
How can someone working with PPE for 40 not see the value in helping their fellow countryman?
Not a play on words, just using your hypocritical actions against you!
Notice how the troll ignored the direct question asking for the scientific analysis of the types of masks most people wear under the mask mandates? Here's a hint as to why she won't respond...
From the CDC:
"More research on cloth masks is needed to inform their use as an alternative to surgical masks/respirators in the event of shortage or high-demand situations. To our knowledge, only 1 randomized controlled trial (4) has been conducted to examine the efficacy of cloth masks in healthcare settings, and the results do not favor use of cloth masks. More randomized controlled trials should be conducted in community settings to test the efficacy of cloth masks against respiratory infections. According to the US Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences, more research on the engineering design of cloth masks to enhance their filtration and fit is needed (16). Moreover, various methods for decontaminating cloth masks should be tested."
The full report basically said that cloth masks are very effective as a placebo and can be useful to prevent mass hysteria, but there is no scientific evidence that a cloth mask prevents the spread of this particular virus (or others that appear similar).
Just remember, you can satisfy the mask mandate by putting a t-shirt over your face. As the CDC admitted, there is no proof that cloth masks are effective against the virus, let alone the types of cloth masks most people will use.
You seem to have a problem with English. I asked for a peer reviewed scientific study on the type of masks that most people use when required to wear masks. All you can come up with are op-eds that have no scientific method employed.
You are the one with the English problem. You've been given such studies and you run around them - again. You are just a simple liar/denier
You seem to have a problem with English. I asked for a peer reviewed scientific study on the type of masks that most people use when required to wear masks. All you can come up with are op-eds that have no scientific method employed. [/quote]
You are the one with the English problem. You've been given such studies and you run around them - again. You are just a simple liar/denier [/quote]
I deny that you have provided a single scientific study on the efficacy of cloth masks in preventing the spread of this particular virus. I've provided a CDC scientific study from this month that shows there is no evidence that cloth masks work.
You seem to have a problem with English. I asked for a peer reviewed scientific study on the type of masks that most people use when required to wear masks. All you can come up with are op-eds that have no scientific method employed.
But that was an op-Ed from the CDC that has to account for more than one from the NYT or WaPo?
Still no scientific studies, cause there are none. All you can find is informal guidance, the same type of guidance that recommended against mask use earlier this year.
Still waiting for the scientific study on the types of masks that are mandated for use here, as I asked in my original question to OP. The report you linked to says nothing about wrapping a t-shirt over your mouth and nose. It doesn't even state what kind of masks they are talking about. The scientific study on CLOTH masks that the CDC published clearly states that cloth masks are ineffective, especially when they are used in the manner most people use them. [/quote]
Warning: It's gonna hurt
Read the conclusion paragraph in the study you linked to and get back to us, I gather in advance you will be awhile..............
It’s a virus that we once didn’t know how to treat but now do. We once weren’t sure who was at risk of serious health ramifications as a result of infection but now we are.
Therefore keep those at risk protected in ways that make sense for them (probably shouldn’t put infected patients into rest homes?) and let everyone else get back to normal.
It’s a virus doing what viruses do. Every case that doesn’t result in hospitalization is a success; framing it as anything else is pure unadulterated propaganda and shows this sham for what it is.
This is a test to see how many sheeple they can manipulate into saying “how high” when the media scares the daylights out of them and instruct “experts” to say “JUMP!”
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Are you in favor of speeding up the spread?
Yes Just get it over with.
You win the word twisting trophy today. Take it and go home.
"...Once again the masks can not prevent the microbes from spreading in itself, but they limit the distance the water vapor droplets that carry them can travel, thus slowing the spread.
What ya got my friend!..."
That's the problem that people think about the airborne spread being carried by "droplets". The vast majority of the water from breathing is in a vapor form which goes all around any opening between the fit of mask and our face. There is not concrete proof that mask work. A lot of people that are knowledgeable on viruses and their transmission do not advocate masks use. What about the constant touching of the masks and face of the wearer? ……… that in and of itself is an infection risk.
See this is the thing. Isro thinks he's being clever by redirecting the mask/no mask argument towards the notion that "they limit sneezes", claiming that it's rock-solid obvious that they limit sneezes. And anyone who disagrees with mask wearing are obviously disagreeing with his "rock-solid obvious truth" that they limit sneezes. The Straw Man.
He also shows something here... "slowing the spread". This is the goal. The attempt to stretch this out as long as possible. Perhaps indefinitely. Claiming to "slow the spread" and "flatten the curve" can continue on forever. No real evidence needs to be shown, just the continued harping of "experts", and browbeating anyone who disagrees with these "experts". Masks may or may not have any effect whatsoever, but it doesn't matter, as long as you claim that they "slow the spread".
Once again your not limiting sneezes like you posted above but rather the distance the sneeze travels, hence slowing the spread>
Are you in favor of speeding up the spread?
Yes Just get it over with.
You win the word twisting trophy today. Take it and go home.
Sweden seems to be pretty much done with Corona. The people who were gonna get it got it. And now it's pretty much run itself out there.
Still no scientific studies, cause there are none. All you can find is informal guidance, the same type of guidance that recommended against mask use earlier this year.
Still waiting for the scientific study on the types of masks that are mandated for use here, as I asked in my original question to OP. The report you linked to says nothing about wrapping a t-shirt over your mouth and nose. It doesn't even state what kind of masks they are talking about. The scientific study on CLOTH masks that the CDC published clearly states that cloth masks are ineffective, especially when they are used in the manner most people use them. [/quote]
Warning: It's gonna hurt
Read the conclusion paragraph in the study you linked to and get back to us, I gather in advance you will be awhile..............[/quote]
I didn't link to a study...
I quoted from a cdc report that concluded there is no evidence to support claims that cloth masks effectively prevent transmission of the virus, especially with regard to the ways cloth masks are used by the public.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
You don't protect people in your dental office Hatari?
Do you wear a mask in your office?
I'm guessing your all masked up, but most here do not know what you do.
Game up Boss!
I personally don't want to see the health care field get overwhelmed as I have family members who work in the hospitals and they are getting really concerned about the amount of rising admissions currently.
Would you like to see 10 people that need treatment at your office or 150?
Remember you're only spreading it out longer!
Did dentists where masks before Covid the answer is yes so your argument is baseless. It’s idiots like you who believe the BS and that’s why it’s going on as long as it has. You’re just another dumbass troll and no one and I mean no one here gives a 💩 what you post here.
Why are dentists wearing masks at all before or during covid?
Remember they do not protect anyone right?
Why is our resident dentist wearing one at work? I mean really, he should stand for his freedom and refuse to wear it.
Why are people in his office wearing one now? Why are the patients wearing them in the waiting area?
They do not work according to Hatari, so why wear them?
Hmmmmmmmmm!
Playing word games again?
My professional obligation is not part of the discussion. For that matter, I’ve worn PPE for 40 years.
What we are talking about is what is my personal (not professional obligation) to you or anyone else. Go back do I have an obligation to make you drive safely? Eat healthy? Exercise?
I call you on your Schlick and this is all you can do?
So you are wearing mask at work, your staff is as well, then why are your patients wearing them in your waiting area?
Using your logic they should not have to protect you correct?
You have an obligation to drive safely so you don't impact my well being as well as your own safety, just like your obligation to your patients. Or does that obligation end when the check is cashed? Is there a reason you wouldn't want to protect those same people when your around them outside of the dental office?
They are your customers you know and from a business stand point why potentially get them sick?
How can someone working with PPE for 40 not see the value in helping their fellow countryman?
Not a play on words, just using your hypocritical actions against you!
There is a difference.
It’s not the constitutional purpose of Govt. to force people to “keep their fellow countryman safe”. That is an individual decision. The federal gift was established to perform a few important duties. Protecting citizens from themselves wasn’t one of them.
So people should be allowed to effect other peoples health? What about the personal responsibility?
You never did explain that they do not work at all, your thoughts?
Troll, you're here to play with semantics agains. eh?
Personal responsibility? When is it my personal responsibility to protect you? You want make everybody their brother's keeper. Should I run over to your house and snatch unhealthy food from your mouth? "No salty junk food, mister! No red meat! Only soy and plant based bullshit for you!" No different.
Tell me WHY we should wear masks, troll? Will it STOP the transmission of Covid completely? No, it won't. Best it can do is slow it. Why is it wise to slow it? Our healthcare system is ready to handle the pandemic now. This isn't March, 2020. We have PPE, ventilators and treatments ready to role. Why slow it? The last 4 respiratory pandemics ran their course in about 18-20 months. We are about 10 months into this. If left alone, the pandemic will probably be "over" by this time next year...unless the normal course of the disease is slowed!
Why do want to slow it? (Beside it is an election year?) To wait for a vaccine? Are you going to tell me that a vaccine will be safe. effective and ready to distribute by January 2021, and you can give out 200 million doses by next Labor Day? It will be a race between herd immunity and the vaccine for the masses.
Slowing it without the vaccine ready to go only spreads teh total number of cases over a longer time period. Without a vaccine or herd immunity, the virus lingers and just waits for hosts. A mask does not make the virus go away.
So what is your end game with slowing the spread? Healthcare collapse? Miracle vaccine saves the planet next week? Tell me, bro!
Jeff, he's too willfully playing stupid to spend that much time and effort on. Some want to be roses, and others rose thorns.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
How is Covid in Wis there Redneck?
Your in that at risk group as well , be safe
Hey pimple cock
Sorry about the pimples on your lips and hinder now, try some peroxide on them....................
Another reason to wear a mask, it would have prevented one of those issues above..................Thank you by the way my friend!
I haven't been following this thread, but just came across this person, whatever pronoun she/ he, or they them go by, and he/ she/ they/ them made some quite salient points FOR wearing them.
If you cattlemen do, then thank you for your service to our country. (Salute, click heels, tear in eye) 🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳
I haven't been following this thread, but just came across this person, whatever pronoun she/ he, or they them go by, and he/ she/ they/ them made some quite salient points FOR wearing them.
If you cattlemen do, then thank you for your service to our country. (Salute, click heels, tear in eye) 🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
How is Covid in Wis there Redneck?
Your in that at risk group as well , be safe
You fancy yourself an educated woman.
Yet you continually subject this board to your grammatical errors.
" Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear photographed at a youth baseball game with his son in Indiana not wearing his mask.
The same person that mandated that all Kentuckians must wear a mask in public spaces isn’t wearing one at his kid’s baseball game in a completely different state?
Didn’t he say traveling to outside states shouldn’t happen unless it’s critical?
So not only is he not even acknowledging his own orders, he takes his kid out of state so he can still play in sports because “sports are important to our younger generation, yet thousands of high school seniors had to skip their entire senior year of athletics because of him, causing them to miss out on scholarship opportunities that could have been their only hope to afford a higher education?
Makes sense."
(interesting too is true to his usual hypocrisy "King" Andy's cleanup crew quickly had this photo 'cleansed' from all social media sites they could find and fabricated a misleading cover story but unfortunately for him, some savvy viewers saved it to their hard-drives.)
I haven't been following this thread, but just came across this person, whatever pronoun she/ he, or they them go by, and he/ she/ they/ them made some quite salient points FOR wearing them.
If you cattlemen do, then thank you for your service to our country. (Salute, click heels, tear in eye) 🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳
Look up the word “parody”.
JFC.
You don't say!? (Palm slap to forehead!)
THANKS ironbender. I can always count on you for pointing out the obvious.
Thank add for what exactly? For pointing out that you're a liberal kahunt that can't manage a post without simple grammatical errors? You are one clueless biotch.
Thank add for what exactly? For pointing out that you're a liberal kahunt that can't manage a post without simple grammatical errors? You are one clueless biotch.
If grammatical errors are the definer of which you speak it would appear as though we are in the same boat my friend, let's improve our grammar together.
Thank add for what exactly? For pointing out that you're a liberal kahunt that can't manage a post without simple grammatical errors? You are one clueless biotch.
If grammatical errors are the definer of which you speak it would appear as though we are in the same boat my friend, let's improve our grammar together.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
How is Covid in Wis there Redneck?
Your in that at risk group as well , be safe
Not many at all, and only ONE death in the county - a person who had other conditions as well but of COURSE the death is blamed on covid... It's all total bullchit..
Thank add for what exactly? For pointing out that you're a liberal kahunt that can't manage a post without simple grammatical errors? You are one clueless biotch.
If grammatical errors are the definer of which you speak it would appear as though we are in the same boat my friend, let's improve our grammar together.
GFY you liberal puke. Check out my other responses to you on other threads and answer them will ya. Stop picking and choosing what you respond to.
Thank add for what exactly? For pointing out that you're a liberal kahunt that can't manage a post without simple grammatical errors? You are one clueless biotch.
If grammatical errors are the definer of which you speak it would appear as though we are in the same boat my friend, let's improve our grammar together.
GFY you liberal puke. Check out my other responses to you on other threads and answer them will ya. Stop picking and choosing what you respond to.
What might your question be fine sir, I will be more than happy to try and answer it.
Frankly, whether they "work" or not, forcing someone to wear one (especially when they're NOT sick) is tyranny. Period.
If masks "work", then shouldn't we be forced to wear them all the time.. for everything? The flu. The cold. Everything else. Think of the lives that would be saved! And remember, if it saves just ONE life, it's all worth it!
People get sick. That's the way of the world.
Well-said, sir... Kudos.. Besides - these 'masks' most people are wearing is about as effective as a condom with the tip cut off...
How is Covid in Wis there Redneck?
Your in that at risk group as well , be safe
Not many at all, and only ONE death in the county - a person who had other conditions as well but of COURSE the death is blamed on covid... It's all total bullchit..
We can take responsibility for our own health. If someone feels they are vulnerable to infection, they are free to wear masks, keep their distance, isolate or whatever.
ISRO, you have admirable patience. Masks= Good, No mask= Bad. Easy, even the cretins here could do it.
So, the supposed Dr thinks that these masks are 'good', please Dr. do explain exactly how 95%(+/-) of the masks being worn accomplish anything beyond virtue signaling or portending SJW status. I'll be here a while, so take your time if necessary.
ISRO, you have admirable patience. Masks= Good, No mask= Bad. Easy, even the cretins here could do it.
So, the supposed Dr thinks that these masks are 'good', please Dr. do explain exactly how 95%(+/-) of the masks being worn accomplish anything beyond virtue signaling or portending SJW status. I'll be here a while, so take your time if necessary.
Do your own research, Dipwad. I'm too busy to deal with folks like you.
ISRO, you have admirable patience. Masks= Good, No mask= Bad. Easy, even the cretins here could do it.
Bwahaaha! Exactly how long has the medical community agreed with your assessment? How effective are cloth masks at containing moisture vapor? lol
Medical communities in most countries now are recommending masks, but that probably doesn't ring a bell either I would assume.
Containing? You missed the mark again Backroads. It is about limiting travel distance of said cough or sneeze.
Just last week I was talking with a lead RN with over 20 years as a RN at a government health facility about her experienced opinion on the true effectiveness of face masks on preventing the spread of covid-19 virus subject. She said it is pure over hyped political theater and that she wore them only at work when in direct contact with patients and only then because it is required to keep her job.
ISRO, you have admirable patience. Masks= Good, No mask= Bad. Easy, even the cretins here could do it.
So, the supposed Dr thinks that these masks are 'good', please Dr. do explain exactly how 95%(+/-) of the masks being worn accomplish anything beyond virtue signaling or portending SJW status. I'll be here a while, so take your time if necessary.
Do your own research, Dipwad. I'm too busy to deal with folks like you.
Yet YOU replied We all knew you couldn't answer......
Medical communities in most countries now are recommending masks, but that probably doesn't ring a bell either I would assume.Containing? You missed the mark again Backroads. It is about limiting travel distance of said cough or sneeze.
I think I have a solution for what seems to be bothering and scaring you. If you want to wear a mask wear one. If you don't want to be around people not wearing a mask, then walk away from them. If you are really scared take the original advice. Stay home and stay safe. The rest of us need to go about our business and lives and need to breathe. Folks that are active and out and about need all the oxygen they can get. Don't worry so much about others, do what you need to do to feel safe.
Medical communities in most countries now are recommending masks, but that probably doesn't ring a bell either I would assume.Containing? You missed the mark again Backroads. It is about limiting travel distance of said cough or sneeze.
I think I have a solution for what seems to be bothering and scaring you. If you want to wear a mask wear one. If you don't want to be around people not wearing a mask, then walk away from them. If you are really scared take the original advice. Stay home and stay safe. The rest of us need to go about our business and lives and need to breathe. Folks that are active and out and about need all the oxygen they can get. Don't worry so much about others, do what you need to do to feel safe.
ISRO, you have admirable patience. Masks= Good, No mask= Bad. Easy, even the cretins here could do it.
Bwahaaha! Exactly how long has the medical community agreed with your assessment? How effective are cloth masks at containing moisture vapor? lol
Medical communities in most countries now are recommending masks, but that probably doesn't ring a bell either I would assume.
Containing? You missed the mark again Backroads. It is about limiting travel distance of said cough or sneeze.
Except for the last couple of months, the entirety of medical history is against masks for healthy and asymptomatic people. How much less than zero can the distance of a sneeze or cough be limited? Of course you realize that asymptomatic infected people are not sneezing or coughing. The virus living in the moisture laden air we exhale would then be the only means of transmission, no? As previously stated, cotton masks do nothing to contain that, and a visual aid of this will be made apparent in the upcoming winter months. No one will be spared exposure, learn to swim.
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