Question to those on here with kids. Especially minors, or teenagers. I'll kindly request the responses be limited to legit posters, not trolls, and US citizens. I understand the impact our elections have globally, most especially on our good friends north of us. But my question is specific to those of us here south of the Medicine Line.

Have you discussed the potential of a civil war with your kids? The reality of it, the Balkan type scenario as opposed to the clear cut Red Dawn type. What it could entail, what it really means? What life would be like? At what line is civil disobedience appropriate, and at what line (if any) is an armed response apropos?

It's fugking terrifying, but I will say I have.

It gives me pause. Younger generations don’t have the perspective to recognize the crossroads we face.

I’ve talked to my kids about the corona being used for political purposes . My kids are strong in math so it’s an easy conversation.

No, I have not talked about a civil war with them. I believe I have a better chance of gettin kilt by the rona then a civil war occurring .

No. We haven't talked about it.

We cant run anywhere anyway.

Remember the "amnesty" scene in Josey Wales?

I suspect a lot of folks will sign up for "amnesty".

Hell....half the dummies here like Tulsi.

We have 3 conservative young adults. They didn't have a television educating them as they grew up. There's a strong hint there.

Never been in combat, so I'm definitely no expert. But it seems to me that the only thing that can prepare a man for something like combat is combat.

Not a matter of running anywhere Jim, so much as a what is our country going to look like when they take the reins and what lines if there are any that they will not cross. Could be as simple as taxing diesel to the point of it not being viable as a fuel option to run your machines. Or transport your sheep/cattle to the sale.

I could hole up in the woods and be fine and dandy for the rest of my life, but what about my kids? That's not a life they want or that I want for them necessarily.

Normally it's all about voting, getting the word out and organizing like minded folk to preserve what we have, maybe even take some back in the voting booth. But if the voting system is proven to be moot, what's left?

Too simplistic. That's why I referenced Red Dawn. We won't see the Soviets making parachute landings in CO. It's not as "easy" as hoarding MRE's and ammo and making caches in the woods.

Our son actually brings it up to us.

Does he have any ideas? What're his thoughts on the matter?

I was thinking of the "aim small, miss small" scene in the Patriot.....

Well....we already got a bit of a head start with the homeschooling thing this semester.

Looking like we will probably go the full year.


We fully discuss the reasons for this with the children.


Have not gone into "war" yet....but they are aware that there is a problem now.


So...I guess we have discussed it to a certain extent.

Yes... and those conversations break my damn heart.

I am probably lucky as my kids are young.

It would be tougher with teenagers.

I'm optimistic in that it seems local elections are still valid in most places, so states like ours bound together with others might be able to still scrape us by standing up to the feds on overreach if we elect the right governors and state legislatures. It's just a question of how long it takes the other side to negate enough of the Constitution that even those are spitting in the wind.

"I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain." John Adams

And so the cycle must recycled yet again

He honestly has more of the Red Dawn type scenario playing on his mind.
I've told him it's more like a lobster pot deal to me.
He IS doing things to become more self sufficient as he is a welder first, machinist second and married into a 10th generation sustenance farming family that farms deep in the mountains just along the VA/WVA border.
He makes some things he feels will be quite valuable in the near future.

Where I shoot IDPA, parents bring a lot of children to shoot, and they are usually darn good shots. Nothing is said about about the kids being prepped for anything other than How to defend themselves and families from bad guys.

What's too simplistic?

Sounds like a neat bunch!

Yes in very sobering and descriptive detail. All my girls were lucky enough to spend many years with their Paternal Great Grandmother alive who shared many stories with them about life during WWII including giving birth to their Grandfather, my Dad in an Army Medical Hospital MASH type tent.

All of them grewup watching old Westerns on TV with me early Saturday morning and afternoon War movies. Explaining to them real vs TV frontier life including the brutality of War.

As well each of them took AP History from a very conservative Catholic High School teacher who was part of the National AP History Board that sets National Standards. I read their Text book and supplements with them and was very impressed at the level of detail and time they spent on the American Civil War.

Still like War you can't "know" what it will be like until you live it.

At least all of them dont have a problem pulling the trigger on an animal, cleaning, processing and eating their kills.

I've done what I could even though they weren't "Country" raised.

They are Jim,
they still tap maples, keep 1-2 dairy cows for their consumption along with chickens and a hog or two, beef farm for cash.
4-5 families[cousins/siblings etc] all live there, they have family canning, butchering, applesauce days and other stuff like that I'm sure.
One family home schools for all.
Still live to a degree like their ancestors did.

My youngest son is fifteen and I've spoken with him about it. He's already a big Trump supporter. I told him the other day that I was sorry I hadn't done more to leave him a country more in line with what the founders envisioned. Then again my ancestors failed to keep the Yankees at bay, hence the move of much of the family west out of the South-proper.

Well, yes, to a certain extent but more along theoretical lines. When the question has come up I've told my kids that the issues that may occur will most likely start in the cities and .guv will be too busy trying to contain that and not have the time/resources to be much of a threat out in flyover country. The bigger issue I see coming from all this is the economy crashing and the knock on effects that will have. Whether that would bring on a "civil war" or not is hard to tell. As to the divisiveness between right vs left ie. the balkanization of the country, at least at this point, I don't see it as two major fronts clashing. Because of the size of the country and spread of people and even the provincial attitude from region to region, state to state etc. what ever clashes that would occur are going to be local in nature and dealt with accordingly.

The future for the utes of America is going to be a challenge and having an adaptable mindset is going to be a major tool in the kit. Unfortunately, not a lot of people today have a clue of what the difference between pain and suffering is, or the difference between their needs vs wants.

The Democrats are nothing if not bad guys.

We do that stuff too.....just not many of us left up here.

I would love to meet em someday!


We are gonna butcher some more rabbits this weekend.....

A lot of kids from what I've heard, are either clueless or think they can hunker down with parents and ride it out.

Not a one, has said the should arm up and be part of the fight.

All in denial or think defensive, last ditch kinda thing.

There's a part in the original Red Dawn where Swayze and his buds come across the old rancher played by Ben Johnson, a guy from just south of where I live. He's a prepper/survivalist in that he lives out in the middle of nowhere and has all he needs. His needs are simple. Later the Russians just pick him and his wife up and shoot them. Goes to show how all a person's planning and prepping can come to nothing. The isolation route probably ain't gonna work.

Did you prepare for sex before it happened?

There are many things that occur in younger days that teach people the framework of combat. If you survive round 1, you are likely prepared for the next. Learning to hunt helps get one thru round 1 quite a bit.

E.B. Sledge talks about being a green Marine landing on Peleliu,...said his first kill bothered him pretty bad. By the time he had been there 30 days he said he would have no qualms about choking the enemy to death with his hands.

I don't think there's any preparation for it. Marine boot camp probably prepares a man as much as is possible. But even Marine boot camp doesn't put their mind where it needs to be.

As for prep? How can you prep for something that you have no insight on what's going to happen?

Im more worried about Biden and his lackies starting a war in some other country and then trying to draft my sons...They are both teens now. I can't stand behind an illegitimately elected President wanting to send my sons off to war...

A civil war here would be disastrous; especially, for those with children...I could see people poisoning the water and food supplies of these big cities, burning, torture, rape, etc...People are brutal these days and have no sense of civility or respect for their fellow man.

I didn't realize Montana is such a welfare state. I'm surprised that's even worse than New Mexico.

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I've not discussed this with our kids.

We live in a very conservative area in a very conservative state. I'd think a civil war would become much more obvious in other parts of the country than it would here and the arguments for and/or against it would be a bit more easily seen at that time. There would be a lot of "fuss" at the state and local government levels here against a federal push before the need would arise. This would again, I hope, make the arguments self explanatory.....

Largely my perception as well. Though with the caveat on the national level I think it IS two major fronts, though at the regional, state, and local levels not so much.

I guess I should've clarified in that by "civil war" I didn't mean just the act of grabbing a rifle and going loading mags. What I was speaking to was the totality, economy, taxes, etc. all turned on it's head leading to a potential situation where a large number of Americans make the decision to go hot and what that means. Food production, parts and repairs for equipment, etc etc etc.

That's why I referred to a Red Dawn scenario as simplistic. It's not going to be a one day life is as we know it, next day the Cubans are erecting concentration camps.

Lobster or crab or frog pot

Beto

Its called federal public lands and Indian reservations, not a bunch of white trash hanging out at the HUD/HHS office.

I don't know whether it will break out or not. My opinion is,..the federal government will stomp down anything that starts to look like a civil war. I think it's much more likely that the country experiences widespread small scale insurgencies.

Also,..depending on where they're located, I think some leftists will find that their life gets complicated,...just like some people on the right have had their lives complicated by the leftists.

It will probably be just like the past year, liberal socialist anarchist types will have free reign, those opposing them (you and me) will be quashed.

No insight? Surely you jest.

Two Dinks in a .50 pit,
Little baby suckin’ on momma’s tit.
DOW Chemical don’t give a chitt,
Napalm sticks to kids.

Well just so long as they self quarantined afterward.

I've had the discussion.

A frightening scenario to me, is while we are in the midst of a major civil disruption, whatever form that may take ( everything from armed insurrection to a Balkan split by legal means)...one can't help but wonder what Red China will do. Will they sit on their hands, waiting for us to get our act together? I would imagine that they just salivate at the prospect of massive civil unrest and insurrection. Will they volunteer to the UN to take over key US industries, "just until order is restored"?

I'll explain it ONE more time for you before I hit the woods...

Perhaps you are familiar with the theory of the really big lie? Small lies are easily debunked, fact checked out of hand, a big enough lie, by a powerful enough person will be accepted, without question by many people.

How to lie about a rigged election in the current circumstance.

1. Start early, start claiming from the very beginning that the other main party is going to try to steel the election.

2. Allow early voting and absentee voting, knowing that the other party will encourage people to do so. I mean in the world is dealing with a dangerous and highly contagious disease.

3. Encourage your supporter NOT to vote early, talk of the glory of voting on election day, doing so will heavily skew the early returns in your favor.

4. Get state officials where your party has control to play along by NOT allowing early votes counted early, ensuring that they will be counted later after you look to have a comfortable lead(like Wisconsin, PA, Michigan. This election), as most of YOUR supporters voted on election day(as you told them to...despite the fact that you personally have a long record of voting by mail and voted early IN THIS ELECTION).

5. When the absentee/early votes are counted and heavily favor the other party(remember step 3), start screaming at the top of your lungs about how the fix is on and file baseless lawsuits while flooding partisan media outlets with disinformation to back up the really big lie...

Which must be true now, you've been repeating it for months.

If you still can't see it, nothing more I can say can help you. The country just got good and tired of the draft dodger/con man in office.

The crap you're seeing now is a result of a person in power experiencing a loss he can't bribe/bully his way out of for the first time in his life, no more, no less. The only "fire" behind the smoke show is from the tire pile the POTUS is burning any incriminating papers on.

Don't mistake welfare for federal expenditures.... not sure where all the moneys goes gut would suspect Ag subsidies are huge part

1. New York

Welfare spending per capita: $3,305
Total public welfare expenditures: $19.85 billion
Fact: New York has the fifth-highest cost of living in the country.

2. Alaska

Welfare spending per capita: $3,020
Total public welfare expenditures: $2.23 billion
Fact: Alaska is one of the least populous states, and its total public welfare spending is actually the sixth-lowest of all the states – even though it’s spending per capita is ranked No. 2.

3. Massachusetts

Welfare spending per capita: $2,911
Total public welfare expenditures: $19.97 billion
Fact: The percentage of Massachusetts households that lived in poverty during 2016-17 is 10.1 percent. Massachusetts is also the fourth-most expensive state to live in.

4. Vermont

Welfare spending per capita: $2,842
Total public welfare expenditures: $1.77 billion
Fact: Although Vermont’s welfare spending per capita is high, its total welfare spending is the fifth-lowest of all the states, which is likely due to its low population.

5. Minnesota

Welfare spending per capita: $2,805
Total public welfare expenditures: $15.64 billion
Fact: Minnesota is among the top five states that spend the most on welfare per capita, and it’s among the top 15 with the highest total public welfare expenditures.

6. New Mexico

Welfare spending per capita: $2,741
Total public welfare expenditures: $5.72 billion
Fact: New Mexico has the third-highest poverty rate in America at 18.2 percent.

7. Delaware

Welfare spending per capita: $2,544
Total public welfare expenditures: $2.45 billion
Fact: Per capita spending in Delaware is among the highest, but the state’s total welfare expenditures are the seventh-lowest of all the states. This is likely because it’s the sixth-least populous state.

8. Maine

Welfare spending per capita: $2,530
Total public welfare expenditures: $3.38 billion
Fact: Maine is one of the states that spends the most on welfare per capita. However, it’s among the top 15 states with the lowest total public welfare expenditures.

9. Oregon

Welfare spending per capita: $2,520
Total public welfare expenditures: $10.44 billion
Fact: Although Oregon spends a lot on welfare compared to other states, it’s not one of the best states for poor Americans, a separate GOBankingRates study found. This is due to an overall high cost of living, high crime rates and a lack of affordable housing.

10. Kentucky

Welfare spending per capita: $2,517
Total public welfare expenditures: $11.21 billion
Fact: The poverty rate in Kentucky is 14.8 percent – tied for the seventh-highest of all the states – which could account for its high welfare spending per capita.

Human males are genetically programmed to survive. In combat the obvious preferred survival technique is to kill the enemy first. It takes about 30 seconds to realize that those fuggers are trying to kill you, then the training kicks in. Some are better at it than others.


mike r

Ok Tim, you convinced me ... I am calling the cable guy and have them pipe CNN into my home...... woohoo

This is the neighbor who'll be phoning you in to the local party office because he heard what sounded like semi-auto gunfire from your property.

He'll be the one calling the local party office to report you for not wearing a mask.

He'll be the one calling the local party office because you left your truck idling for 20 minutes in your driveway.

He'll be the one working the glory hole at the local party office for extra fuel ration cards.

Are you REALLY that delusional?

Are you asking me or the reflection on your screen?

Gruff you forgot calling the hotline to report thanksgiving gatherings of more than 6 people..... and Tim calls us delusional....

Cowboy T, can you explain HRC's comment RE: Biden and conceding?

I'll wait

lol

At least it lasted a couple pages.

Now, now,...y'all leave "Cowboy"Tim alone.

He serves a valuable purpose here.

He's a shining example of the type of verbal spew that erupts from those who have had their brains turned to schitt.

Everybody needs to see exactly how those people arrange their thoughts.

Mine are 3 and 6.

No. Not at this point.

I have discussed it with my folks however. While I don't think we will get there in my, or my kids, lifetimes, the chasm separating folks is growing faster than I thought it would.

There has always been political unrest. At least since more than one neanderthal occupied the same cave. We are better equipped to deal with it today than any other point in history.

I guess time will tell.

Sssshhh..... nobody tell Tim;

Pittsburgh Area Antifa Leader Tweets Warning To Trump: “We are armed…If you do not concede by Sunday at noon, we will begin to block roads in conservative areas”

Read this.

it is wonky but it hits like a hammer.

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/10/suicide-of-the-liberals

That's the way to do it. It's going to be about self production.

He'll regurgitate some worthless talking point from TV.

They pretend that the objective is fighting global warming, but their true goal is ending capitalism, government control and the impoverishment of the Americans.

What exactly is called federal aid? That map is useless unless I see the EXACT definition of the funds.

Wolverines!

Here's another one of those neighbors.

I think chUck U summed it up pretty well a week or two back: "win GA and we'll transform America" or something along those lines.

Does buying rubbers count?