Back when we had Trump in office it was pretty easy to stand up and be a flag waver. To wrap yourself in Patriotism and the flag and tell all of your constituents that you would not support gun control measures, or confiscation.

It was very easy, because there was not a Socialist in the Whitehouse.

Pretty easy way to get votes and get the public on your side.



Now everything has changed.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Biden has made it clear that they plan for massive registration and confiscation.


ARs get registered as NFA items or turned in.

Magazines either get turned in or registered as NFA items.

It is obvious where this is heading.

Since the election, I have not heard a single PEEP from a Sheriff or Chief of Police about protecting our 2nd Amendment rights.

Suddenly they are super quiet..

Times to start asking them publicly what they intend to do, and whos side they are on.

None of this "Fair Weather Friend" BS.

Lets see them come out in public and choose a side.

That's a great idea.

Great idea.

Can't speak for my Sherriff, you can't judge until
The pressure comes to bear.

But I do know he opened his office for CCL holders, to
renew or get permits, while King Wolf's forced closure was
in place.


A promising sign.

But he is just a figurehead.
A 10 man force is nothing when the rule of law is thrown out the door.

They will likely be the ones asked to enforce the confiscation and all that entails.

I'm guessing none of them really want to go door to door.

Right now - they don't need to take a stand. No sense telegraphing what you'll do or not to the admin asking you to do it.

Would not be surprised if the admin asks for UN "peace keepers" to help with an insurrection that requires them to go door/door - no PD has the ability to hold that off, even the ones with APCs. They'll have help of course.

All politics is local and even more so for local LEO.

Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs are politicians. They also receive big $$$$ from the Federal Govt. All Biden/Harris need to say to them is, "Get in step with us and do as we order you, or you'll not receive one penny from us for your department."

Simple as that.

L.W.

There is another way: "We can't do that. I took an oath to the Constitution, and it states clearly that possessing and owning weapons of war is a right, so we have no jurisdiction to enforce such a law, and you have no power to make it."

“What will your department do if you get a call that an alphabet agency is kicking in doors and confiscating guns from law abiding gun owners in your locale?” Will you protect your constituents from the feds?” Interesting question to pose to a sheriff, or governor.

Gotta think about that .gov money.

Or, worse, being accused of “sedition”, which seems to be the left’s new favorite word......

We have a new liberal black dhimmicrat sheriff. He hates guns. Our liberal black dhimmicrat police chief hates guns.

How many 'unknown' AR's are out there?
can't a person still purchase an 80% lower or some such and finish themselves?

I think that is why it is key to take over the county commissioner, etc. positions. Make the County gov swear off Federal funding, make sure they answer to us and not DC.

You might be "Thin Blue Line" or you might be "ACAB", but the fact is that the police are only as good as who's in charge of them. Make sure it's us.

It ALL starts locally.

They stand where they always have, right behind their pensions and power, whatever it takes.

They're politicians or political whores, by and large, nothing more. When people finally realize they're Pauley & Momo for the State...well...nothing will ever change, I'm afraid.

I think they’d be more amenable to Trump supporters if the MAGAs were not seen beating LEOs with Trump flags and fire extinguishers and dragging them down stairs of the Capitol...

THIS.
Here in Cumberland County, the sheriff is VERY anti-gun. Gets re-elected time after time.

Because that happened....

If you don't hold him to his oath, no one will.

The hall monitor chimes in.

It will sure put the Constitutional Sheriffs to the test.

I'm GTG down here. We have a good one.

Why rely on others to do what we'll have to do ourselves. If the elected people in my area turn tail and run does that mean I'm not able to do something about the problem? I'm not being critical on anyone here but I see way too many people hoping someone else takes up our cause for us. Men we need to stand together or we won't stand at all. I've been in situations where one lone voice motivated many to do what they felt they couldn't get done. Be that voice. 56 men did that for us in 1776!

I agree, Jim. And because there is a lot of money on the line in terms of pensions and Federal funding, I don't trust Sheriffs anymore than other police.

Upton Sinclair said it well: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

Many of the immigrants that will be here soon will be deputised in a Task Force . They will do the door to door seizures .

Well that works out great! I’m excited.

The SCOTUS Heller decision everyone so highly praised included "reasonable restrictions" and will be used against the 2nd Amendment to the fullest.

Law enforcement & Military have us outnumbered 10-20 fold - so I vote we just give up now .

No monitor, retired LEO...

Ours stands behind us, us behind him.
He led the "charge" to Richmond for the rally.
Was going to deputize us all if needed.



Very 2 A and just a great guy.
We're lucky while he's here.
An oddity in NOVA.

Sherriff Jenkins

That might not work out as well as they thought. lol

The "UN Peace keepers" projection was probably more accurate.

Star /Eagle /Kuna stated there sanctuary cities,others are but don't talk about it..Nothing to talk about in my opinion...It's Idaho..lol

Not to worried personally...


Jayco 👍

Sheriffs take an oath to uphold and protect the Constitutions of their State and the Union. Chiefs are political appointees and serve at the pleasure of they Mayors.

Big difference and the People ought to hold them accountable.

Sadly, you should. Look what's happened to Boise and the upper panhandle, and it's just starting.

Not any more, it isn't. The feds have intruded into all aspects of our lives.

Don't expect LEO to do the Constitutional thing. It's a sad day.

Our county is a 2nd Amendment sanctuary. I don't think confiscation would go over very well.

To paraphrase a line from a movie, there are certain sections of the country I'd advise them to not try this in.

If you actually believe this BS, and you are ex LEO, sounds like you will be volunteering to help disarm door to door?


Clyde

I agree with those places and how there changing but here in Central Idaho I feel confident there will be no issues 2nd amendment wise here in my lifetime..If so,so be it...It is what it is and each and everyone of us will have to deal with it as we see fit..We all have choices...


Jayco 👍

What I think is going to happen is that folks around the country are eventually going to have to decide if they want to do the same thing dope smokers did when dope was a felony everywhere or alcohol drinkers did during Prohibition.


Fwiw, my opinion is that Every Good Citizen should stringently obey every single law passed by our benevolent government because they know what's best for us.

That's what I always thought about free and open Nevada. We're bluer than Bill Clinton's balls now.

If they go through with the so called assault rifle ban /buy back/tax etc,there going to make criminals out of law abiding citizens...Then it will be up to the local law whether to enforce or ignore...


Jayco 👍

Nope.

If it's a federal law our locals are out of the loop. BATF will ratchet up and be beating in doors.

99% of the LEO's in this country will obey orders, whatever they are..........in other words, they'll come and help the Feds take our guns.

I see people flocking to sanctuary counties and states. It will boil down to the feds circling the last strong hold and going to war. The national media will not show any of it because that would turn public opinion of terrorist label to patriots. Watching men, women and children being shot by the fed or Blue hats won't go over well. The fence sitters would join in and we would have a war that makes the last civil war look like a police action.

I think people need to prepare but not be paranoid.

Our NATION is a 2nd Amendment sanctuary. If some official doesn't uphold the sanctity of the Law, they should be dealt with swiftly, and with prejudice.

I see it more like the Feds on there wolf management and fines and or penalties for smoking one or a pack..Some law enforced it and others turned a blind eye or made it a self defense issue..Most law stayed out of it but some got involved in favor of common sense..Loose lips sink ships always applies...


Jayco

They tried the whole "register everything" in Canuckistan, and even those nice, pliable, compliant Canucks had a less than 10% compliance rate, and the whole scheme slowly faded away.

No telling how many pieces of 6" PVC pipe are buried around Australia, with certain contents, that nobody talks about. But I was told it was hard to get 6'" caps around the time of the great turn them in events.

Heck, 30 years ago I was working for a farmer in Holland in the potato harvest, and ran across what I now think was a Schmeizer, with a case of ammo, tucked into the corner of a barn. It had been "get your arse thrown in jail" illegal for dang near forty years by then, and the guy I worked for wasn't even born yet during the War.

Confiscation is not that simple, and simple non-compliance is a good place to start.

Wasn't it Federal immigration law that CA and the other blue Dem states chose to disregard and not enforce? Didn't they pass state laws that forbade LEOs from enforcing or cooperating with Fed authorities?

How are unconstitutional laws disregarding 2A legally enforceable by state, county. local LEOs sworn to uphold the US Constitution? BTW in some states, 2A is incorporated in the state constitution, therefore binding upon state, county and local LE.

I'm not kidding myself that many LEOs won't follow orders (Nazi Germany?) and enforce unconstitutional laws, but for those citizens who follow the Constitution, there are facts to consider.

You're correct, Jim. After all, Big Brother & Big Nanny know what's best for us .... don't they?

L.W.

Do you even understand the issue? The crux of the matter has nothing to do with whether one is, or is not, a Trump supporter, and amenability certainly does not apply.

Please provide video of the beating and dragging of which you write.

I have faith in small town rural law,not so much big city law...Seeing how Boise and Coeur d'alene have changed from even the 80-90's is worry some..They both were okay places back then,not so much now..CDA is a suburb of Spokane and Boise is awful compared..Friends I grew up with are moving out as fast as they can...

I still trust rural law,especially now with what is most likely coming..


Jayco 👍

How many MAGA folks shot officers sitting in their cars in 2020? How many marched down the streets "Pigs in a Blanket, fry 'em like bacon."

Pretty sure the Biden administration's definition of reasonable is slightly different than ours, for sure.

And don't forget that Boise has a left wing female mayor now.

I'm not saying they won't try it. But it seems to me that door to door confiscation would turn into an enormous mess.

On the other hand, the more I see from the government, the more I think that they're trying to initiate an enormous mess.

I was shocked to see that having grown up there and back then new most of the police by name..After the service I was quick to move to McCall but now it's as bad as Boise..Back then they had a mill and it was a logging town...My wife was in the police dept there when I met her and why I keep saying the rural police/sheriffs are like the old Boise police used to be..

I feel sorry for the big city police now with everything going on,there damned if they do and damned if they don't..Another reason I think the police will side with rural america on 2nd amendment rights.. There getting screwed now bigtime in my opinion..


Jayco

With an exception here or there, they are not going to buck the way the wind is blowing.

MM

The black robes have freedom of speech to communicate "their" beliefs, and the citizens have have freedom of speech to communicate theirs, except ours will be communicated via burning gun powder.

Shall Not Be Infringed.

I still don’t wear a mask. Don’t be a twat.

Go ahead and turn em in cghunt

Come and Take It.

Not that it's going to make a difference to anyone here who has already made up his mind, but I'm clearly on record (as recently as last week) verbally and in writing to my BOS and Town Administrator regarding a crusade an ex-State Rep is still carrying
My BOS, and the Town in general, are very clear where I stand.

George

Take your face diaper off so it’s fair

Forget Heller as the Caetano Decision cleared up all the wishy washy Dicta in Heller.

Caetano is a short ruling and it's the one we need to focus on.

SCOTUS might turn on us but Caetano is the precedence we need to focus on, forget Heller.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_v._Massachusetts

I do have a solid Sheriff. Very Pro 2nd A.

As a majority overall law enforcement will not worry about upholding any oath to constitutional duties or service to the community. They wil do as theyre told to preserve income and pensions and not question authority or dictates from the dear leader. It will be all about enforcing the so-called law and "officer safety" BS. Law enforcement doesnt even police its own so i think its nieve to wish they'd stand up and do their job defending the public. Good luck with that, we have too much video footage of them being criminals themselves.

If it all ever came to an end and agents and LEOs had to stand trial for confiscation and jailing innocent citizens we would hear the Nuremberg defense all over again as they were just following orders. Its always been like this and always will be. The only hope i look forward to is for Jesus to have mercy on me and the hope in the life to come.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_v._Massachusetts

The bolded allows and proves the original intent of the 2A, no restrictions for any “arms” is what they were saying. The citizens have a right to any “arms” they can use, “period”

And actually, the way it is worded, they left it open for even nuclear weapons, “all instruments that constitute bearable arms”.

Surface to air, ICBM, planes, tanks, etc. Arms covers anything you can use to defend yourself or your nation. That was the beauty in the word “ARMS” the founders used. It covered everything to be invented in the future.

And the way they worded it, it means tax stamps for full auto and cans are illegal or having to pay for FFL transfer, etc. being it is illegal to tax a right.

If you thought the war on drugs was a flop this will be epic. Resistance and noncompliance is the key.

Sheriff and i will be on the same side, in fact, he declared this county a 2A Sanctuary County, also have a hard as nails Governor here, two DAMN good insulators against a tyrannical out of control illegitimate fed gov!

Women and liberals will be ratting on law abiding gun owners . Watch .

Is it legal to smoke that chit where you live or do you just break the law. SMFH

I'm sure they will. But they won't do that very long.

I believe if you used the same terms the liberal media would use toward someone conservative, "Boise has an extreme left wing liberal female mayor now. I think my description is conservative. She's a real whack job.

Thank You.................you're one of the (relatively) few exceptions that I mentioned that there would be.

MM

I guess you were asleep all summer?

Ballz will tell on his neighbors for owning illegal gas cans

This is what confiscation will look like.

Think They’ll Never ‘Come and Take’ Your Guns Without an Armed Revolt? Think Again
https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...out-an-armed-revolt-think-again-n2459868

This “registration” angle by the Uniparty is just a head-fake.

They don’t “need” us to register our firearms to know what we have, although it might make it easier.

“They” pretty much already know how many and of what kind of firearms we own.

They monitor everything we do, from what we watch on the telly, to what we purchase both online and in person, to what we eat, to where we go, to who we visit and of course everything we do and say on the Internet. Plus they have the NICS records.

“They” know that many if not most will not comply, it’s what they want, they are going to use this to make instant felons out of otherwise good decent law abiding citizens , then make examples of many to put the scare into the American mindset , again.

There have been a couple of videos on here showing Federal Agents (BATF), showing up on people’s doorsteps questioning them about oil filters. Oil filters can be used as a home made silencer, so if you purchase more oil filters than what the BATF considers normal, you are in their data base.

Once the Uniparty passes this schit, using an unregistered firearm or a banned firearm will be almost impossible.

You won’t be able to use them at public and private ranges without the tax stamp.

You won’t be able to use them for hunting, without the tax stamp.

In general, you won’t be able to shoot them on private land without the noise drawing attention to yourselves, and having a friendly neighbor turn you in, for cash of course.

Ammunition with taxed and registered as well and the same Shcit will apply .

The Uniparty plays the long game, they don’t need to pass laws and immediately come a knocking, they can wait and pick us off one at a time and slowly but surely until the resistance is squashed.

The "Uniparty" will wither and die due to its own behavior. Meanwhile, I have a bunch of old trucks - and buy oil filters by the carton. Should BATF show up to query me about oil filters, I hope someone has the camera rolling. It will be fun.

BLG
I don’t know how you would connect those dots? Who is hiring ex LEO to confiscate guns. If you want to see footage,
Cut and the info below. If not, keep dreaming.


Pro-Trump rioters beat and stomped DC police officer with American flag pole

Remember when sheriffs were saying that their response to such laws would be to deputize the entire population of their counties so as to authorize their possession of NFA class firearms?

As usual the haters turn this thread into lets hate law Enforcement. first to those key board commandos, the brave and big mouthed key clackers that they are, Please do not call us (LE) for anything, ever! We are terrible remember! Please, please, go and suit up and show me (us) how to do the job in a better way. Since you know better then us! Please go ahead and show us. Please put on a clinic of instruction as to your better way of doing the job. We will both be happier. Second, handle you problems yourself and see how that works out for you. Last,and most important, there is no way we (local LE) has the time and people to deal with any weapons mandates (mass seizures/ registration) outside of roadside possession /violent crime/ prohibited person ( prior convictions) and weapons seizures related to domestic violence cases. We can not even begin to try that. My Sheriff has stated that he is pro second amendment and would not participate in such a mandate. As stated previously time / pressure would have prove if he would stand by that statement. Also ,weapons mandates such as what is being proposed, would involve the FEDs and they do not have the time or people to do such things. The ATF would have to triple their current manpower to even try to tackle such a task. Thanks to those who support Law Enforcement efforts each and every day!!! I cannot do my job without your support! I know you have my back! That is a comfort to all of on the job. Thank you.!! Since I poked the bee hive, I will be quiet now and let the stoning begin............................ I deserve it right..... since I provoked the haters. Remember, sticks and stones...........................................................................

Oh look! Another lying liberal. What a nice surprise. GFY
"According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true." - CNN

Another low-post, lying, leftist sack of schitt. Those rioters were ANTIFA/BLM agents provocateur.

Socialist my ass. He's a Bolshevik.

Yeah, well. Who was REALLY doing that?

And I'm not talking about parroting the chump media reports.

The thin thread in this whole argument is that the Sheriffs are elected officials, responsible to the people that elect them. Police chiefs report to the city council. We can hope the sheriffs remember that, but it is not something to absolutely rely on. I will write off police chiefs right now, because most city councils are wack job commies.

Not another MaHomesboy thread!!!!

I bet you were

My Sheriff told me you don`t need no stinking LEO`s,you own a backhoe.

The capital policeman who died was NOT struck with a fire extinguisher as per the autopsy report.....get your facts straight.

We all know the left can't control us unless they disarm us......from own "Cold Dead Hands" as Charlton Heston
shouted at a NRA meeting in the 80's.

When it comes to protecting their pensions, and dental plans, you best believe they will try to come take your chit. You're delusional if you think otherwise.

"Try" being the key word here !