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A San Francisco Democrat has introduced a bill that would ban black bear hunting in California, despite a bear population at its highest levels in decades and repeated conflicts with the wild animals in Lake Tahoe and other high-tourist areas

On Monday, state Sen. Scott Wiener introduced Senate Bill 252, “The Bear Protection Act” sponsored by the Humane Society of the United States.

The bill would ban California’s sport hunting season that now allows for 1,700 bears killed in the fall and early winter. Under the bill, bears could still be killed under a permit to protect public safety, livestock and for scientific research.


https://www.sacbee.com/news/califor...tK6AOrUADnl3iGOGYzUvPM1wLx-FBl1PwqjZ_7Rg
If this happened, would more Californians get mauled?
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
If this happened, would more Californians get mauled?

Quite likely when the population grows.
Oh well
Originally Posted by persiandog
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A San Francisco Democrat has introduced a bill that would ban black bear hunting in California, despite a bear population at its highest levels in decades and repeated conflicts with the wild animals in Lake Tahoe and other high-tourist areas

On Monday, state Sen. Scott Wiener introduced Senate Bill 252, “The Bear Protection Act” sponsored by the Humane Society of the United States.

The bill would ban California’s sport hunting season that now allows for 1,700 bears killed in the fall and early winter. Under the bill, bears could still be killed under a permit to protect public safety, livestock and for scientific research.


https://www.sacbee.com/news/califor...tK6AOrUADnl3iGOGYzUvPM1wLx-FBl1PwqjZ_7Rg


This legislation is not based on science!

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Locally, around Lake Tahoe, bear populations have grown to some of the largest densities in the country, and bears have been aggressively breaking into vacation homes, and attacks on people happen from time to time.

The bill’s introduction comes as California’s statewide bear population has more than doubled in the past four decades. Black bears are not endangered. State officials estimate that in 1982, the statewide bear population was between 10,000 and 15,000 bears. The black bear population is now “conservatively estimated” to be between 30,000 and 40,000 animals, state officials say.

California’s limited bear-hunting season has had no impact on this statewide population growth.

In 2011, with bear populations growing, the state proposed increasing the state’s annual harvest quota to 2,000 bears, but the plan was scuttled after fierce opposition from the state’s influential cadre of environmentalists and animal rights activists. The next year, the state legislature banned hunting bears with hounds in a bill pushed by animal rights activists who called it barbaric.



We have too many black bears and they should allow a spring season (not just fall season) and baiting.
They want to ban all hunting!
I know some guys in Montana that wished they could trap grizzlies and transplant them in California.
they got what they voted for
You California guys need to start feeding the bears gluten free granola and Starbucks lattes. If you are going to be overrun with bears you need to make sure they look for their meals in the right places.
Their overall population of bears is much higher than Minnesota and we annually take between 2 and 3 thousand yearly. We could certainly take more. On my fall baits I average over 4 different bears per site visiting.
Yes they get what they deserve voting wise, sadly what they seem to “get” ends up here as well.

Osky
When they took away hunting bears with dogs the bear population exploded. The deer herds in California are declining rapidly. Once the deer herds are low enough they can “see” we have to stop hunting.
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This legislation is not based on science!
Of course not. It's being pushed by HSUS, one of the most radical animal rights groups in the country. They'll try to go around any science to achieve their nut case goals.
They did the same thing with mountain lions decades ago despite CA having a huge lion population and livestock losses due to lions. As a matter of fact CA will not even allow you to import a mountain lion skin from another state that you legally took it in. Look it up.
Originally Posted by Springcove
When they took away hunting bears with dogs the bear population exploded. The deer herds in California are declining rapidly. Once the deer herds are low enough they can “see” we have to stop hunting.


The bears are brutal on our deer fawns as well. I have a friend who just last summer watched a large bear from up close as it hunted down and killed a fawn. Fascinating how well it was done and seemingly easy for the bear.

Osky
As long as they attack Biden voters only.


Fugg em....
Elections have consequences......
Originally Posted by persiandog
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Under the bill, bears could still be killed under a permit to protect public safety, livestock and for scientific research.



Sounds like Average Guy wouldn't be allowed to hunt, but insiders with the right connections would still be free to hunt.

Typical.
Originally Posted by MAC
They did the same thing with mountain lions decades ago despite CA having a huge lion population and livestock losses due to lions. As a matter of fact CA will not even allow you to import a mountain lion skin from another state that you legally took it in. Look it up.


Totally un enforceable, so a dumb ass law. But it is California.
They have also banned the killing of bobcats.
OTOH, Kalifornia is likely to declare open season, no limit hunting on Conservatives.
This is part of the anti-hunting crowd's long range plan - use predators to reduce game animals to the point that hunting has to be stopped. It's the whole basis behind the wolf introduction.
Ask the bighorn sheep how they like the mountain lion hunting ban. And who now has to manage the mountain lion population?
I can remember back when if you were hunting in the northwest corner of the state you could buy two bear tags for $2.00. Fill those tags and they'd GIVE you two more free. Fill those and get another two more. My how times change. That why does and spikes are off limits. IIRC, it was that the Sierra club had a lot of influence on that idiocy.
Paul B.
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


Hey Phil,

How do you feel about restoring the buffalo to their historical numbers. Do you suppose there is still room in America for 60,000,000 free ranging buffalo?
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


CA hunters can't even fill the 1700 tag quota as it is...you really think black bears would get hunted to extinction?

Stay in Southern CA please, we don't need your type up here.
Left up to the likes of all of you, YES!

Phil
More hungry bears
What could go wrong?
It's not like there are lots of stupid candy munching tourist in California or anything...
Believe I read 40,000+ people left Ca. last year , number sounded low to me .
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Left up to the likes of all of you, YES!

Phil


WOW.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


You idiot.

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Not hardly, California's population has grown by 100,000 from 2019 through 2020. and now is just about 375, 000 short of 40million.

Phil

shut your yap. you voted for this



Originally Posted by CanadianLefty
Originally Posted by persiandog
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A San Francisco Democrat has introduced a bill that would ban black bear hunting in California, despite a bear population at its highest levels in decades and repeated conflicts with the wild animals in Lake Tahoe and other high-tourist areas

On Monday, state Sen. Scott Wiener introduced Senate Bill 252, “The Bear Protection Act” sponsored by the Humane Society of the United States.

The bill would ban California’s sport hunting season that now allows for 1,700 bears killed in the fall and early winter. Under the bill, bears could still be killed under a permit to protect public safety, livestock and for scientific research.


https://www.sacbee.com/news/califor...tK6AOrUADnl3iGOGYzUvPM1wLx-FBl1PwqjZ_7Rg


This legislation is not based on science!

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Locally, around Lake Tahoe, bear populations have grown to some of the largest densities in the country, and bears have been aggressively breaking into vacation homes, and attacks on people happen from time to time.

The bill’s introduction comes as California’s statewide bear population has more than doubled in the past four decades. Black bears are not endangered. State officials estimate that in 1982, the statewide bear population was between 10,000 and 15,000 bears. The black bear population is now “conservatively estimated” to be between 30,000 and 40,000 animals, state officials say.

California’s limited bear-hunting season has had no impact on this statewide population growth.

In 2011, with bear populations growing, the state proposed increasing the state’s annual harvest quota to 2,000 bears, but the plan was scuttled after fierce opposition from the state’s influential cadre of environmentalists and animal rights activists. The next year, the state legislature banned hunting bears with hounds in a bill pushed by animal rights activists who called it barbaric.



We have too many black bears and they should allow a spring season (not just fall season) and baiting.




Originally Posted by Greyghost
Not hardly, California's population has grown by 100,000 from 2019 through 2020. and now is just about 375, 000 short of 40million.

Phil


From KTLA
“Officially, California added 21,200 people from July 1, 2019, to July 1, 2020, increasing the state’s population a paltry 0.05% to 39.78 million people — still by far the most of any state.

But the bigger news from Wednesday’s new population estimate was that 135,600 more people left the state than moved here. It’s only the 12th time since 1900 the state has had a net migration loss, and the third largest ever recorded.”


Bear hunting should be managed by biologists not ignorant voters. Btw: businesses and quality people are fleeing CA.
“ The consequences of no-sport harvest of mountain lions are less understood in California. High levels of mountain lion predation on small isolated populations of bighorn sheep (Wehausen 1996, Ernest et al. 2002) has resulted in Peninsular bighorn sheep (Ovis canadensis cremnobates) and Sierra Nevada bighorn sheep (O. v. sierre) populations being listed as federally endangered populations.”
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
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This legislation is not based on science!
Of course not. It's being pushed by HSUS, one of the most radical animal rights groups in the country. They'll try to go around any science to achieve their nut case goals.

Of course. It’s called “ballot-box biology”

HSUS tried to lie and deceive their way into getting black bear baiting outlawed in Alaska some years ago. We were able to bear that ballot initiative with help from SCI and other groups.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil

California spans roughly the same length as Philadelphia to Jacksonville Fl. Imagine an area like that's game and wildlife management decisions being managed by the urbanites of Philly. The Southern California urban people like you, Phil, dictating wildlife management in a state that ranges from 14,500 ft to 282 ft below sea level, with the widest variations of climate and ecosystems to be found anywhere in the world. Stunning arrogance and elitism compounded by urban stupidity.You appear to live 600 miles or so south of me, but you know what is best for me, classic urban elite. You liberal urban fools have driven your end of California to 3rd world dysfunctional schidthole in just 2 generations. Congratulations Phil, keep those brilliant ideas coming. This state needs to be split now.
Originally Posted by dale06
Originally Posted by MAC
They did the same thing with mountain lions decades ago despite CA having a huge lion population and livestock losses due to lions. As a matter of fact CA will not even allow you to import a mountain lion skin from another state that you legally took it in. Look it up.


Totally un enforceable, so a dumb ass law. But it is California.


Actually it has been enforced. I suggest you look it up. CA classified the mountain lion as a special restricted animal and does NOT allow the importation of any LEGALLY hunted mountain lions regardless of where the cat was taken. That is the law and they do enforce it. The head of the CA Dept of Game was fired a few years ago for shooting a lion in a another state (Idaho I believe) even though he broke no laws in taking the cat.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Left up to the likes of all of you, YES!

Phil


DUMBA$$!
Originally Posted by viking
I know some guys in Montana that wished they could trap grizzlies and transplant them in California.


Yep. I have been saying that for years. Since they like them so much and want everyone else to deal with them the CA residents should be forced to except our problem bears.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


So you will be demanding your state try to get grizzlies from MT, and WY?
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


Nonsense. 50 years ago it was rare to see a black bear in the wild. Now the woods are crawling with bears. You would know that if you spent time in the woods.
Originally Posted by Morewood
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


Nonsense. 50 years ago it was rare to see a black bear in the wild. Now the woods are crawling with bears. You would know that if you spent time in the woods.


Hard to get out in the woods and see a bear with a full adult diaper.
Originally Posted by viking
I know some guys in Montana that wished they could trap grizzlies and transplant them in California.

It's our State Critter for Pete's Sake...............

I wholeheartedly agree...................


start the restocking in the San Fernando valley first, along with the Central Valley at Sacramento and the hills around San Francisco.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil



You are so full of schiit!!!
Here was a local man just out for torture...

Link


Phil
Greyghost, you seem to be a bit of a dumbass, or perhaps deliberately obtuse. Either way, GFY.
Fuqk em...Screw em. They banned Bobcat hunting so now I kill everyone I call. Same with Mt Lions and now bears it seems. Blatantly bad laws need to be broken. These fuqking A holes are set on banning hunting one species at a time and if I ever see one of then fuqking California Condors I'll kill it too. Between this chit and up coming anti gun legislation we will all be felons soon so fuqk it...
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Here was a local man just out for torture...

Link


Phil

Did the City of Fontana license the "animal removal specialist".

If so, perhaps the issue lies there...................


and not with bear hunters hunting the species to extinction.

Your story has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue being discussed here.
Originally Posted by Techsan
Greyghost, you seem to be a bit of a dumbass, or perhaps deliberately obtuse. Either way, GFY.



It’s both.
Has everything to do with hunters killing just for the hell of it. One of you mentioned Buffalo, that wasn't hunting, it was just killing for the hell of it. I have nothing against hunting, but don't abide by people that just want to kill anything that walks or fly's just for something to do, or something to hang on a wall. We had a man, kids or just plain fools cutting down Joshua Tree's trees last year just for the hell of it. No other reason than it was just there. One of you all had a post a few years back about a couple idiots toppling standing boulders in a national park in Utah... No reason other than they just thought it would make good YouTube news. Just because something is there you don't need to wipe out a species, because its there, Yellowstone found that out with the wolf.

Phil
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Has everything to do with hunters killing just for the hell of it. One of you mentioned Buffalo, that wasn't hunting, it was just killing for the hell of it. I have nothing against hunting, but don't abide by people that just want to kill anything that walks or fly's just for something to do, or something to hang on a wall.

Phil


You ignorant wretch, the comparison had nothing to do with killing the buffalo, it was about restoring them to historical numbers that you pointed out with the bears in California. I can't believe a person could be as stupid as you are and still make it to the post office to get your subsistence check, because you obviously are too stupid to have ever earned any money and yet you can still vote.

You deserve California and California deserves you.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Has everything to do with hunters killing just for the hell of it. One of you mentioned Buffalo, that wasn't hunting, it was just killing for the hell of it. I have nothing against hunting, but don't abide by people that just want to kill anything that walks or fly's just for something to do, or something to hang on a wall. We had a man, kids or just plain fools cutting down Joshua Tree's trees last year just for the hell of it. No other reason than it was just there. One of you all had a post a few years back about a couple idiots toppling standing boulders in a national park in Utah... No reason other than they just thought it would make good YouTube news. Just because something is there you don't need to wipe out a species, because its there, Yellowstone found that out with the wolf.

Phil


Are you attempting to describe the person in the story you posted a link to as a "hunter".

Holy fugg Phil, the man is a supposed wildlife removal specialist, NOT a hunter. Whatever credibility your argument might have, attempting to convey those actions as a "hunter" wantonly killing an animal had ruined it, to the point where you now have little if any credibility left to argue with.

The issue being discussed is bear hunting, not shooting coyotes off a golf course at the owners' behest. Not pushing boulders over, not cutting down Joshua trees.

Please explain how you've seeming come to believe bear hunting, in light of growing numbers statewide, should be entirely stopped for the benefits of wildlife or the human population of the State. And please use evidence, not stories that have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.
Originally Posted by HitnRun
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Has everything to do with hunters killing just for the hell of it. One of you mentioned Buffalo, that wasn't hunting, it was just killing for the hell of it. I have nothing against hunting, but don't abide by people that just want to kill anything that walks or fly's just for something to do, or something to hang on a wall.

Phil


You ignorant wretch, the comparison had nothing to do with killing the buffalo, it was about restoring them to historical numbers that you pointed out with the bears in California. I can't believe a person could be as stupid as you are and still make it to the post office to get your subsistence check, because you obviously are too stupid to have ever earned any money and yet you can still vote.

You deserve California and California deserves you.




Please HitnRun, we really don't deserve him. We, that is the majority of the State, deserve more folks like Flintlocke, FatCity and a few others. Phil can stay in his SoCal area or perhaps move to NJ.
Lots of bears in Jersey
Sombody heard bears vote democramp
They certainly don't like markets going up...
Bunch of bears got whacked yesterday...
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Lots of bears in Jersey

Yep, and I seem to recall there's a push to end the hunts there........................again.

Maybe some will move across the rivers to NYC and Philly? Especially some of the rich neighborhoods, those rich folks would make a lot of noise if bears are breaking into their Escalades and Beemers to get the candy bar their kid left on the back seat.
So you are not ok with grizzlies being returned to CA?
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
So you are not ok with grizzlies being returned to CA?
I'm all for Griz being reintroduced to Ca. Some hunters in North Ca claim they have been spotting Griz already. They think the Griz have been migrating on their own from where ever.
I'll be sure to let everyone know if I see one some evening when I go out to close up the chicken Gulag.

It's a long walk even to the NE corner of the State from ID, WY or WA, which I would think are the closest places to have populations.
Originally Posted by Valsdad
I'll be sure to let everyone know if I see one some evening when I go out to close up the chicken Gulag.

It's a long walk even to the NE corner of the State from ID, WY or WA, which I would think are the closest places to have populations.

Could be possible I don't know. Maybe from Idaho down through Oregon over the course of many years. I'm in So Cal and a few years back I had to drive to Reno for one of my Wife's shows had a few hours to kill so I went to check out the local Cabela's and over heard a conversation by some local hunters swearing up and down they have spotted Griz right across the border in Ca.
Grizz, I lived in a very rural area of PA back in '99-'00. Folks there were always saying "Uncle so and so saw a cougar off in the back 40" and yet, with a million deer hunters out there shooting everything from large dogs to farmer Brown's mule on opening day, to the best of my knowledge the only verified cougar reports are of those released from a captive situation.

I'm not saying the odd grizzly might not make it across all that dry land to Cali, but it's certainly going to be the odd occurrence should one happen to show up here. I think there's DNA evidence of the occasional wolverine in the Sierra, so why not a grizz every now and again??
Originally Posted by GRIZZ
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
So you are not ok with grizzlies being returned to CA?
I'm all for Griz being reintroduced to Ca. Some hunters in North Ca claim they have been spotting Griz already. They think the Griz have been migrating on their own from where ever.


Well there was a girl on Exhibition Bigfoot that said she saw griz in Oregon, but I was hoping Greghost would chime in. Seems he has gone into hiding.
I'd believe OR before CA.

But, since we have wolves in our area, and established pack a few hours south of here, given time the California Golden Bear (or it's cousin) might be able to get established again also.

Perhaps the proposed ban on black bear hunting is to provide another source of food for Grizz when he gets here?
Hard to believe at one time California had more Brown Bears than any state in the lower 48. Spaniards kilt a lot of them off. Bull and Bear fights
Not a good idea to have the yellow bear in the tall grass when you're trying to keep range cattle alive.

Seems they went all the way down into N Baja. I didn't know it until I looked into it, but San Diego county never had an established population of black bear, but they did have grizzly. Now and then a black bear comes down that way, we had a sighting or two in the 70's when I was down there, a couple have been killed in the intervening years. Supposedly coming down from San Jacinto area.
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Grizz, I lived in a very rural area of PA back in '99-'00. Folks there were always saying "Uncle so and so saw a cougar off in the back 40" and yet, with a million deer hunters out there shooting everything from large dogs to farmer Brown's mule on opening day, to the best of my knowledge the only verified cougar reports are of those released from a captive situation.

I'm not saying the odd grizzly might not make it across all that dry land to Cali, but it's certainly going to be the odd occurrence should one happen to show up here. I think there's DNA evidence of the occasional wolverine in the Sierra, so why not a grizz every now and again??

I'm looking forward to the night I shoot a freaking Wolf either here or over in Nevada thinking it was a coyote. Shovel ready...
Originally Posted by flintlocke
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil

California spans roughly the same length as Philadelphia to Jacksonville Fl. Imagine an area like that's game and wildlife management decisions being managed by the urbanites of Philly. The Southern California urban people like you, Phil, dictating wildlife management in a state that ranges from 14,500 ft to 282 ft below sea level, with the widest variations of climate and ecosystems to be found anywhere in the world. Stunning arrogance and elitism compounded by urban stupidity.You appear to live 600 miles or so south of me, but you know what is best for me, classic urban elite. You liberal urban fools have driven your end of California to 3rd world dysfunctional schidthole in just 2 generations. Congratulations Phil, keep those brilliant ideas coming. This state needs to be split now.


All of this. 100% agree.
The last grizz killed in my county was in 1902 by Gordon Jacobs who was paid 500 bucks for his work by local cattlemen. Think about that for a minute, 500 bucks in 1902...that would be a years wages for a cowboy or laborer in those days. People that have to live with grizz don't like him...at all. And like Geno said, now that Calif deer herds are at a historical low, what are the predator species going to eat? Beef? Tourists? Backpackers? (hmm, backpackers)
pigs
The CA idiot legislators have already banned bobcat hunting, and importing African trophies.
Bears are thick in the Sierra Nevada. As are Mountain Lions.
Anyone who argues differently has not spent any real time in those mountains. The only thing lacking are abundant deer populations. (Hmmm wonder why....)
Politicians running game management instead of biologists is a guaranteed train wreck. Just look at CA

[bleep] liberals
After they ban bear hunting, will elk hunting be far behind? And then deer hunting.
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Has everything to do with hunters killing just for the hell of it. One of you mentioned Buffalo, that wasn't hunting, it was just killing for the hell of it. I have nothing against hunting, but don't abide by people that just want to kill anything that walks or fly's just for something to do, or something to hang on a wall. We had a man, kids or just plain fools cutting down Joshua Tree's trees last year just for the hell of it. No other reason than it was just there. One of you all had a post a few years back about a couple idiots toppling standing boulders in a national park in Utah... No reason other than they just thought it would make good YouTube news. Just because something is there you don't need to wipe out a species, because its there, Yellowstone found that out with the wolf.

Phil


Welcome to California people. Here you go....
Originally Posted by RUM7
Bears are thick in the Sierra Nevada. As are Mountain Lions.
Anyone who argues differently has not spent any real time in those mountains. The only thing lacking are abundant deer populations. (Hmmm wonder why....)
Politicians running game management instead of biologists is a guaranteed train wreck. Just look at CA

[bleep] liberals

++1
CA banned bear hunting with dogs, and in short order the bear population reach a point that the state easily reached harvest quotas without dogs. Now with a burgeoning population they find it necessary to ban bear hunting. All the while the state is paying Federal and State trappers to either trap and relocate or trap and eradicate nuisance bears. Epic [bleep] show! Buy the way California’s dirty little secret is the state biologists are the environmental left!

P.S. Greyghost you are a tool!
Interesting anecdote regarding CA bears.

In the mid 90's I worked on the North Coast for a timber company. The bears, and there were many on the property, rested during the worst of winter which doesn't amount to much over there except a bunch of rain (80"-100+"). Come springtime they were hungry and would strip the bark off younger redwoods to get at the cambium, damaging or killing the tree. Not good when redwood was going for around $1, or more, a board foot stumpage then.

The company asked CDFG if they could buy us hunters our bear tags (a perk, we employees got to hunt deer on the timberlands) . Game and Fish told them that was a no-no. We were bummed, a free bear tag would have been cool. We had some really pretty ones, and more than a few decent sized ones.
Originally Posted by Salmonella
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil


You idiot.



You're being awful damned insulting to idiots there, what with comparing them to Phil...
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil

Still 1700 bears seems low, especially compared to Michigan, Minnesota, Alaska, et al. California is a big state.
Originally Posted by Youper
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil

Still 1700 bears seems low, especially compared to Michigan, Minnesota, Alaska, et al. California is a big state.


Not sure where you got that information but conservative estimates of black bear population in California is around 40,000 bear.


Dept Fish and Wildlife Ca
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Originally Posted by Morewood
Originally Posted by Youper
Originally Posted by Greyghost
Some would like to hunt the Black Bear to extinction as was done to the California Grizzly, the wolf and other species in the state. And while the population has been brought back slightly from its lows in the 80's and 90's, its nowhere near where it was historically.

Phil

Still 1700 bears seems low, especially compared to Michigan, Minnesota, Alaska, et al. California is a big state.


Not sure where you got that information but conservative estimates of black bear population in California is around 40,000 bear.


Dept Fish and Wildlife Ca

The op citation was 1700 [i]killed
every year, not the population. In any event that is where I got the 1700 number from.
The vast majority of the increase in population are illegals and homeless.
Only an idiot think that black bears are going to be hunted to extinction. Your just repeating your Dear Leaders lies. Try using your brain instead of trusting progressive fascist propaganda.

Remember how the progressive fascists spent 4 years lying about Russian collusion and how after spend millions were unable to find any proof? Didn’t you learn anything from that? It seems that progressive fascists will believe anything their Dear Leaders tell them without using their brains.
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